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NASA's Plan To Stop A Supervolcano from Destroying The Earth's Climate (news.com.au)

Long-time walterbyrd shared a new article about NASA's contingency plan for "vast quantities of searing magma and clouds of fumes" erupting from a Wyoming supervolcano and slowly "burying much of the United States under a thick coat of ash and lava...enough to change the climate of the world for several centuries." NASA believes the Yellowstone supervolcano is a greater threat to life on Earth than any asteroid. So it's come up with a plan to defuse its explosive potential... NASA scientists propose, a 10km [6.2 miles] deep hole into the hydrothermal water below and to the sides of the magma chamber. These fluids, which form Yellowstone's famous heat pools and geysers, already drain some 60-70 per cent of the heat from the magma chamber below. NASA proposes that, in an emergency, this enormous body of heated water can be injected with cooler water, extracting yet more heat. This could prevent the super volcano's magma from reaching the temperature at which it would erupt.
A member of NASA's Advisory Council on Planetary Defense told the BBC he'd concluded "the super volcano threat is substantially greater than the asteroid or comet threat."

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  1. Somebody has been watching too many movies by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NASA's proposed solution may very well trigger the damned thing.

    1. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      NASA's proposed solution may very well trigger the damned thing.

      That could only happen if they broke through a pressure barrier. The geology of the Yellowstone magma dome is well understood, and this drilling proposal has no chance of triggering a premature eruption.

      If they are going to drill, they could make the project self funding by bleeding out steam for electricity generation. Yellowstone has enough heat to generate 100% of America's power needs for centuries.

    2. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Funny

      this drilling proposal has no chance of triggering a premature eruption

      That's what she said.

    3. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      The geology of the Yellowstone magma dome is well understood, and this drilling proposal has no chance of triggering a premature eruption.

      To elaborate on this: Yellowstone is a "bimodal" volcano. Magma comes in two types: mafic and felsic. Mafic lava is heavier and more fluid, and comes from deep in the earth. Felsic is lighter and "gooey" like honey or molten glass. Yellowstone has both. After a long quiescent period, it will erupt with felsic lava first, and then later erupt with mafic lava. This is because the felsic magma is lighter, so it floats on the heavier mafic lava.

      So even if the drilling breaks a pressure barrier, any magma that comes through will be felsic, and it will get higher in viscosity as it rises and cools, thus forming a plug that will block further flow. This self-plugging action is one reason that felsic volcanoes tend to explode violently once they finally blow. Mafic volcanoes, like Mauna Loa in Hawaii, tend to have lots of small eruptions that can flow for years or decades, rather than one big blowout.

      Felsic volcanoes are also called stratovolcanoes since they tend to be tall and narrow as the viscous lava doesn't flow far. The most common felsic rock is granite.

      Mafic volcanoes are also called shield volcanoes, because their wide base makes them look like a shield laying on the ground. The most common mafic rock is basalt.

    4. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they are going to drill, they could make the project self funding by bleeding out steam for electricity generation.

      Why bother with the electricity generation step . . . ? Surely, Elon Musk can build steam-powered cars for us. You can tank up your car with fresh Yellowstone Steam at one of a system of pipeline nationwide distribution stations: Fresh, hot steam. On tap! Always!

      Plus, when the steam-powered car extracts ("burns") the energy in the steam . . . only water comes out! It will solve global warming and droughts, as well. A system of IoT autonomous AI controlled pilots in the steam-powered cars with automatically alter the routes of cars to drive through drought affected areas, bringing much needed water there via the car exhaust pipes!

      And, along with the Yellowstone Steam, we can also . . .

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    5. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      To be honest, I'm curious why someone hasn't already looked into tapping underground magma pools for power sources.

      They do. Iceland gets about 25% of their electricity from geothermal. The rest is from hydropower (dams). California, China, Italy, and many other places also tap power from hot rocks.

    6. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Informative

      It could be a terawatt-scale version of Hellisheiði:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      AS a bonus, it could supply hot water for the entire northern tier of states. No more mortgaging your soul for each winter's supply of heating oil in the Northeast.

    7. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by Z80a · · Score: 2

      Someone has to sell the electricity away, you know, a CEO with seven figure salary.

    8. Re: Somebody has been watching too many movies by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      I got modded down twice?

      Damn, you libs are still so butthurt. Vent your frustration on me. I don't mind. It's better than if you were to go out to the park and beat up strangers.

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    9. Re:Somebody has been watching too many movies by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

      That is genius, I had to watch it twice. What an amazing example of ingenuity and comfort, I wonder what the fuel mileage is. Hell, I'd love to see a modern version with improvements in efficiency.
      And 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. Drag race WHEN? Imagine the look on some teenage kid's face as he's trying to race this monster from a stoplight in his 90s Honda with a fartcan exhaust.

  2. "Nuclear Winter" by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    <SARCASM>
    Let it blow, and have the nuclear winter effect cancel out global warming!
    </SARCASM>

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  3. Re:if they are going to do all that by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    then why not tap it for hydrothermal energy to generate electricity using the heat (steam powered) turbines to turn generators, because they need the electricity to run the water pumps, and extra electricity can be put in to the grid

    Geo-steam power is one of those things that looks pretty awesome, but can be tough to implement the steam produced is pretty dirty. Perhaps someone coming up with a closed cycle ststem where the water never touches the hot rocks might work.

    That being said, messing with YellowStone would have to be approached with great caution. As in old risk-taker me wouldn't touch it.

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  4. NASA's Mission? by mkoenecke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a little confused here (actually, have been for some time). By the way, this is totally apart from the argument of whether this is a good idea or not - I express no opinion there. But I was under the impression that NASA stood for the "National Aeronautics and Space Administration." So I find all this research and involvement in climate issues and trying to defuse volcanoes rather puzzling: how exactly does that help with aeronautics and space? How does that fit in with NASA's purpose? (Sure, if the Earth is destroyed you won't see any space exploration. You won't see any taxation, either, but unless I'm missing something I have not heard reports of the IRS's anti-pollution initiatives.)

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    1. Re:NASA's Mission? by ToTheStars · · Score: 5, Informative

      (I'm assuming you're honestly curious, and not trolling.)

      NASA's science directorate includes a division devoted to Planetary Science. Earth is a planet [citation needed], and while NASA's missions to study non-Earth planets get lots of press (and deservedly so), Earth is a useful point of comparison (one that is much easier to reach than any other). Studying Earth informs our understanding of other planets, and of course understanding our planet is very valuable to us who live on it (NASA's motto: "For the Benefit of All"). Additionally, it is very convenient to study Earth from space-based platforms, so I wouldn't begrudge NASA a seat at the table.

      You are correct in that there is also an element of self-preservation involved. The Planetary Defense Coordination Office devotes most of its attention to understanding threats from asteroids and developing response contingencies, but many of the effects of asteroid impact are similar to the effects of a supervolcano eruption (or nuclear war, and in fact we get data on meteor and meteorite impacts from their impacts and flashes tripping our nuclear detection sensors and satellites), so there is definitely a good reason for them to be involved in studying this phenomenon.

      (As an aside, there is sometimes tension between NASA and other agencies, such as NSF and NOAA, about whether a particular satellite or instrument is studying "planetary science" [NASA/NSF], "climate" [NASA/NSF/NOAA], or "weather" [NOAA], because of course they're all looking at the same thing: Earth. It can sometimes turn into a delicate dance of nomenclature, principal investigatorship, data priority and custody, and funding.)

  5. What about all the other supervolcanoes? by Drishmung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As can be seen from this list, Yellowstone is only one of many, and has been relatively quiet, unlike Tambora and Taupo which have both gone up comparatively recently.

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  6. People oppose keystone pipeline 'cause fossil fuel by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    Keystone = expansion of co2-emitting fossil fuel infrastructure = brain-dead (or clinically insane, hard to tell which) policy in the 21st century.

    Deep geothermal power = avoided fossil fuel consumption and emissions. So most fossil-fuel expansion protesters will be fine with it.

    These people who get "triggered" by fossil fuel capacity expansion projects are mostly triggered by the overwhelming stupidity and willful destructiveness of the projects. The maniacs (those continuing to scale up fossil fuel infrastructure) need to be stopped. If you don't believe me, come back and tell me what you think in 25 years, when you're getting most of your food from the mid-west (of Canada).

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