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APFS Is Not Optional (apple.com)

Posted by msmash on from the of-course dept.

From a new Apple knowledge base article: When you upgrade to macOS High Sierra, systems with all flash storage configurations are converted automatically. Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS. You can't opt-out of the transition to APFS.

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  1. Ok... and? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone able to explain why this is bad... or good... or whatever the point of this posting is?

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    1. Re:Ok... and? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the incredibly crappy HFS+

      Is HFS+ really all that crappy? I recognize that HFS+ is ancient technology (by computing standards) and doesn't support a lot of new features, but OTOH for me it has always done its job and not caused me any problems -- my files are always where I left them in the morning.

      Exactly.

      I have been using Macs since they were called Lisas, and in all those years, the only time I have had HFS or HFS+ lose or corrupt a byte of data was when a hard drive went suddenly and catastrophically, south. Maybe a ZFS pool would have not lost any data; but this was before that time.

      HFS+ may not be the snazziest FS; but it is reliable as the day is long.

  2. I wouldn't stress about this... by njvack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I know: filesystems take a long time to mature and not lose data. You want your FS tested — widely — before you rely on it to not eat data.

    Here's the thing: iOS 10.3 included an upgrade to APFS. Since March, every updated iPhone and iPad has been running this in production. Most of them have no idea, because it's basically invisible. I haven't heard of any problems stemming from this change.

    So, while OS X has different (more variable, probably) use cases from the sealed systems in iOS, it's very likely that in "normal" usage, APFS is going to be reliable for folks.

  3. Re:Welcome by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would say that APFS earned its bones earlier this year when Apple pushed out iOS 10.3. This is actually the first time in history a vendor has actually converted this many people from one filesystem to another, with pretty much zero complaints on various forums. Had even an outlier even happened with more than 1-2 people affected, there would be people in the streets yelling about a "filesystem-gate".

    I would dare to say that migrating to APFS on macOS will be relatively painless.

  4. Re:Glad I opted out of... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only problem I can think of is that the drive may be inaccessible by other file systems.
    If the OS breaks down for some reason, this may make recovery of data a serious issue.

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  5. Re:Glad I opted out of... by Sneeka2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fair enough, but not enough of a reason not to upgrade. HFS+ must go at some point, you need to get it over with eventually. It's been widely known that this change was coming for quite a while, any external tooling has had enough time to migrate where necessary.

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  6. Re:Glad I opted out of... by Entropius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You mean the PROGRA~1 folder?

  7. Re:The lonely loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, it is very insightful. Pretty much every Apple user I have ever seen has been stupid and/or gay.

    Stupid is self-explanatory. It's the whole reason the Macintosh even exists: for stupid people who can't use a real computer.

    Gay, that's something that is kind of strange. Apple used to have the gay pride flag colours in their logo, but maybe it attracted too many gay users? Nevertheless, the gays stuck around. Maybe they think spending more for inferior technology is somehow a status symbol? That would place them into the stupid category as well.

    Since you're a little boy who wasn't born until the 1990s or perhaps after 2000, you wouldn't know anything of the history behind Apple, nor would you know anything about computers in general. Speaking of which, you don't belong on Slashdot, junior. Try over at Twitter or Facebook where things are simple and uncultured enough for you to understand.