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Ethanol: A Lethal Injection For Tumors (acsh.org)
Scientists have known for some time that ethanol can kill cancer cells, but several limitations held it back from becoming a broadly used treatment. A team at Duke University has recently developed a new type of ethanol solution that can be injected directly into a variety of tumors to potentially offer a new, safe, and cheap form of cancer treatment. From the article: The authors were already aware of a therapy known as ethanol ablation. If ethanol (the type of alcohol found in your favorite adult beverages) is injected into a tumor, it destroys proteins and causes the cells to dehydrate and die. Ethanol ablation is used to treat one type of liver cancer, and its success rate is similar to that of surgery. Better yet, it costs less than $5 per treatment. Ethanol ablation faces several limitations. First, it only works well for tumors that are surrounded by a fibrous capsule. Second, it requires large amounts of ethanol, which can damage nearby tissue as it leaks out. And third, it requires multiple treatments. To overcome these hurdles, the authors mixed ethanol with ethyl cellulose, creating a solution that when injected into the watery environment of a tumor turns into a gel, which remains close to the injection site. After they practiced injecting their solution into imitation tumors (what they called "mechanical phantoms"), the authors turned to a hamster model. The team induced the formation of oral cancer (specifically, squamous cell carcinoma) in hamster cheek pouches by rubbing them with a carcinogen called DMBA. After about 22 weeks, tumors (without capsules) formed. In the control group, tumors were injected with pure ethanol. The results were not good. After seven days, 0 of 5 tumors regressed completely. (Tumors injected with a large amount of ethanol -- four times the volume of the original tumor -- performed better: 4 of 12 regressed completely.) The results for the ethanol gel were far superior. After seven days, 6 of 7 tumors regressed completely. (By the eighth day, all 7 tumors were gone, for a cure rate of 100%.)
well, of course. if i had cancer it would.
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So, if I may... does this mean sterile vodka jello shots could be used to kill cancer?
You'd have to use Methanol if you want a blinding test.
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thats what it costs them. not what it costs you
Hey, it's easier than explaining to them that you're working for Comcast.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Treating liver cancer with alcohol.
I'll wait until they've done a much larger properly blinded test.
If I had terminal cancer I'd take highly experimental over certain death, you're only risk averse when it usually ends well. When it'll end badly you're ready for any "Hail Mary" save. Not that I'd try obvious snake oil and superstition, but any reasonable experiment I'd be in on... seems like the worst that can happen here is that you get mighty drunk, granted I've had bad hangovers but I'd rather go out drunk as a skunk than wait for the cancer to get me.
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Not contained.
Well you can paint inject glue around the tumor, and you can restrict cancer blood vessels to increase poorer supply for hungry tumors. You can inject into the middle, and as it shrinks - repeat the process - as already done with radioactive mini beads, or injecting liquid nitrogen.
I'm sure time release capsules has been researched. Then there is powdered alcohol to play with. See black salve.
If I had terminal cancer I'd take highly experimental over certain death, you're only risk averse when it usually ends well. When it'll end badly you're ready for any "Hail Mary" save. {...} but any reasonable experiment I'd be in on...
Also, from what I've heard (disclaimer: oncology is not my speciality), patient close to the end also tend to have altruistic views :
even if it doesn't end up saving *them personally*, taking an experimental treatment might still help advance the science and who knows who might end up being saved later thank to what was learned by this experimental treatment.
Some are thus happy to save any live, even if it ends up not being their own.
seems like the worst that can happen here is that you get mighty drunk, granted I've had bad hangovers but I'd rather go out drunk as a skunk than wait for the cancer to get me.
The doses needed to be injected without this "gel improvement" are usually massive.
It's not only getting drunk/hangover from what leaks in the general blood stream system.
It's alcohol still being at very high level nearby the tumor and destroying healthy tissue and organs around the tumor
(painful, problematic and potentially dangerous).
Akin to a badly calibrated radiation therapy.
i.e.: you're literally burning the patient in this failure mode (though think "chemical" burn rather than garden variety of fire)
The potential of this gel is similar to what computer modelling helped improve radiation therapy.
Making sure the treatment arrives exactly where it should, and is only working where needed.
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does this mean sterile vodka jello shots could be used to kill cancer?
For a punny understanding of "shots" - yeah that's exactly the idea.
And I'm sure that, although they'll never public admit it, the inventors got the idea while doing actual vodka jello (body?) shots at one of their medical students' wild party.
(ah.... brings fond memory of my studies...)
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Very likely to be idiotic, ineffective, and dangerous to patients and other living things!
As a professor of anesthesiology and neurological surgery, I have seen on rare occasions,
surgeons pour absolute alcohol (100% ethanol, i.e., 200 proof) into the bed of an excised
tumor in the abdomen. It works poorly and is dangerous. There are no decent studies
demonstrating improved outcome for the patient. Indeed the alcohol is toxic not just to
tumors, but to ALL tissue and to ALL cells. It denatures (unfolds) proteins. Thats why histologists and pathologists use it to "FIX" tissue for microscope slides. What it does to the
stomach and liver is a story for another day.
I have also seen an idiot surgeon use an electrosurgical (Bovie) cautery on a bleeding blood
vessel right after pouring in the EtOH. Woosh! There went the patient in a ball of blue flame!
only $5 a treatment? how will pharm companies get rich off of that?
Alcohol Gel solution $5
Injection site cleaning (alcohol Swab) $950
Hypodermic needle - $1500
Hypodermic syringe - $2000
Autoclave charge - $4000
Pre-injection counseling - $600
Post injection counseling - $600
Alcohol Gel solution Packaging $30000
Band Aid - $100 Billable amount $39,755