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The Trump Administration Has Announced the End of DACA -- Unless Congress Can Act To Save It (recode.net)
The Trump administration said on Tuesday it plans to scrap a program that allows about 800,000 undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children to stay and work in the country, shrugging off criticism from within the president's own party and prominent business figures. From a report: The Trump administration is essentially leaving Congress a six-month window of time to try to save it. The legal shield is known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, and since its enactment in 2012, it has allowed roughly 800,000 undocumented young adults to live in the United States and obtain work authorizations every two years. [...] In practice, implementation is complicated. Those previously approved under DACA, with the permission to work in the United States, can continue to work without interruption until those approvals expire. And those who have already applied for protection or are seeking renewals will still have their applications considered by the U.S. government. For those whose permits are set to expire before March 5, 2018, though, the U.S. government will also allow them to renew their DACA status -- provided their applications are received before Oct. 5, 2017. Currently, there are about 201,000 young adults whose authorizations are set to expire this year, officials at the Department of Homeland Security explained Tuesday.
Tech giants like Apple, Facebook and Google are no doubt going to blast the Trump administration's decision: Last week, those executives joined more than 400 other business leaders in calling on the president to preserve DACA. Apple CEO Tim Cook, who previously (and privately) pressed Trump on the issue, said on Sunday that 250 of his "co-workers" would be affected by the change. Microsoft indicated that about 27 workers spanning fields like finance and sales would be hurt from Trump's move. Zuckerberg said, "This is a sad day for our country. The decision to end DACA is not just wrong. It is particularly cruel to offer young people the American Dream, encourage them to come out of the shadows and trust our government, and then punish them for it."
Tech giants like Apple, Facebook and Google are no doubt going to blast the Trump administration's decision: Last week, those executives joined more than 400 other business leaders in calling on the president to preserve DACA. Apple CEO Tim Cook, who previously (and privately) pressed Trump on the issue, said on Sunday that 250 of his "co-workers" would be affected by the change. Microsoft indicated that about 27 workers spanning fields like finance and sales would be hurt from Trump's move. Zuckerberg said, "This is a sad day for our country. The decision to end DACA is not just wrong. It is particularly cruel to offer young people the American Dream, encourage them to come out of the shadows and trust our government, and then punish them for it."
Funny how American companies not being able to find enough affordable workers is a 'global problem', yet people not being able to find clean drinking water, enough food to eat, and/or safety from violence and corrupt governments is a 'them' problem.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Now get that wall built.
With all those pesky immigrant children out of the job pool I can finally become a farm-hand! MAGA!
and they'll get slaughtered in their primaries if they come to DACA's defense. It's the same problem they had with Obamacare but worse since in that case they could at least try to repeal it.
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Pesky pen and phone isn't exactly the same as actually passing a law, eh?
And we won't even talk about the blatant constitutional issues around a pResident implementing a policy that ignores established law.
It sounds like DACA was just a regulatory statement from the previous head of the executive branch. If so, it seems the current president can kill it, and is being extra-nice by at least offering a grace period.
If you want things with the force of law, well then, pass LAWS, right?
That's because Trump is representative of the dying breed known as the 'Great White Male',
You seem to be confused. The real "great white male", the real dying breed is the typical imperialist liberal who wants government control over everything...
Trump represents the insurgence of the tired, the poor, the huddled masses of all races and backgrounds that are tired of inept government controlling everything, to ill ends for the people as the aristocrats on top get ever weather and more powerful.
It's ironic that in the end, the biggest symbol of the dying "Great White Male" was really Obama... Trump is just trying to reverse some of that damage.
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How funny you claim something is "factual" with no proof behind it - at this point people are pretty used to liberals simply lying about something that want to be true but is the opposite of what they say.
In the end, the lies you tell and believe yourself hurt you more than anyone else...
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Obama simply said "We're not going to prosecute these people." That's a huge Constitutional overreach.
If Obama & the Democrats wanted to make this permanent, they would have made it a law. But Obama & Democrats didn't care enough to make it a law. Obama wanted the political win without having to expend political capital & the Democrats in Congress didn't want a public vote.
... since this was enacted by Administrative decree, and they sat on their ass about it the whole time. And now they want to "do something" to prove their relevance? Yeah ... no.
Precisely!!
I"m guessing from your post, you're not a US citizen....but yes, the President is supposed to be a somewhat weak office within the triumvirate that is the US Federal government (executive, legislative, judicial).
The say he is the most powerful man in the word, in on respect, because his *is* commander in chief of all the US armed forces. This is to keep a civilian in charge of the military, and ensure that no one person keeps that power for too long.
But yes, when you wield what is pretty much the most powerful armed forces i the world, you are often thought of as the most powerful person in the world.
But in the US, the constitution was set up to ensure that ALL power was not in one place, to prevent a dictatorship, etc.
Those old guys in powered wigs in the 1700's actually were pretty bright, and its sad so many today in the youth seem to be set on breaking down the very things that mad the US a great nation to date.
As the saying goes..."Yeah, it sucks here, but it sucks a lot less than everywhere else in the world."
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
DACA wasn't law. It was "policy".
You know, the same way there is a law against speeding, and then a myriad of policy that goes into enforcing it. Where I live the law says speeding is exceeding the posted speed limit. In practice, the usual policy is not to stop anyone within 10km/h. And in practice the police only selectively enforce it -- high traffic areas, accident prone areas, some might point cynically at areas where the limit is set to low as 'revenue generating' areas. (I KNOW this is a real issue in some areas, im less convinced it is a significant motivation locally.) Meanwhile, in practice the police are mostly enforcing the cellphone ban, because that is what they have been directed to focus on that. So speed traps are rare right now, but cell phone traps are all over the place. They'll still bust you for speeding if you are obvious / dangerious / etc but that's not what they're looking for.
DACA was kind of the same thing... basically it was policy directing immigration to be lenient in specific cases (like not enofrcing a speedlimit if you are 1km/h over -- even though the law says that is illegal) and directing officers not to bother even looking for those cases, and to focus on something else instead.
THAT is well within the purview of the executive branch of government. Enforcment policy, and enforcement priorities is WELL within the purview of the government.
Did DACA overstep the bounds of policy into creating new law? Maybe. Maybe not. Probably not, given that it has survived plenty of constitutional challenges already... e..g http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/op...
Personally, think DACA should be ended in favor of real legislation that does what DACA does. However that is not what the Trump administration is doing. They're just ending the policy because they want to, not because of any constitutionality. And that's fine, that's the new administrations prerogative; I don't agree with it... but the Trump administration has the same authority to set policy as Obama did.
Grandparents point is valid and you're missing it. There's a powerful global apparatus for getting shit done, and it only seem to move when it benefits big business. Clean food and water aren't a local problem for people born in places that can't sustain the population. Which to be honest is most people. You benefit from them having these things though. You benefit from global stability. It's a lot cheaper to drop food than bombs.
The left whines about imperialism because 99% of the time that's the only thing that moves the US. We prefer dropping bombs to food. Trump's biggest bump in numbers was when he dropped a $20 million dollar bomb on about 500 angry Afghani goat herders with Soviet Era weapons.
We already know the things required to solve these problems. Food, education & birth control. Warmongers don't want to give out food and our religious nuts don't care much for education & birth control. Sure, it's only 20% of our populace, but they _vote_.
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The president is an executive, any executive has a right and responsibility to decide which enforcement should be prioritized and how to go about with that prioritization. There aren't enough resources to enforce every law, and so you need the executive (who is usually elected) to decide which ones should be prioritized. Otherwise you would have police chiefs that devote all the police to enforce speeding tickets while rape and murder go unsolved? Or do you put all your resources into solving murder cases while robberies and rape go unsolved? Or you can be like Sheriff Arpaio who didn't bother with serious violent crime but spent most of his resources trying to arrest illegal farm workers.
So he's basically admitted that Apple has hired illegal aliens. (Or if you prefer, non-citizens without proper work authorization documents.) That's a violation of Federal law punishable by fines and imprisonment.
The DACA wasn't a law. It was just the Obama administration saying they wouldn't prosecute for violations of the actual law which mandates fines for hiring non-citizens without Federal work permits. The law is still there, and Cook has now admitted in public that his company is knowingly in violation of it. If he'd kept his mouth shut and only expressed an opinion, he could've feigned ignorance and kept the affected workers in Apple's payroll. But because he tried to publicly use their plight as leverage, he's now put himself into a position where Apple has to fire them or face fines and imprisonment.
Well, I think it is still the law of the land that if you are caught and found to be here illegally, then you are to be deported.
Pretty simple actually.
It's simple in a pithy statement on Slashdot. However actually implementing it is not.
Congress did not want to bother figuring out implementation details, so Congress did what they have done for more than 80 years. Pass a law giving an extremely vague goal, and authorize the Executive branch to figure out the details.
So basically everybody is getting upset with Doland Trump for ending DACA, but that's not what he's doing. He's saying, "Congress, DO YOUR JOB!" Obama's executive action was unconstitutional. 'Repealing" DACA is completely legal.
"Politicians always tell the truth, when they're calling each other liars."
Neither party wants to stop illegals.
Which is one of the things that got _Trump_ elected.
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We're talking primarily Mexico right now...
*facepalm*
No, no we're not. We're talking about Mexico, all of Central America, and much of South America. And also Canada, India, China, the Philippines, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, and lots and lots of other countries.
Again, pretending this issue fits on a bumper sticker is why we are in this mess and why Congress has spent decades abdicating its power to the Executive branch.
And when exactly did our treaties change with them on deporting back to them?
The treaties didn't. You being unaware of the relevant treaties did. And treaties are only one small aspect of the foreign relations involved in deporting people.
For example, we are not allowed to leave someone "stateless". If we want to deport someone to Honduras, and Honduras says "Nuh uh! Not ours!", we are not allowed to deport them thanks to a lengthy list of treaties and agreements. Instead, we are required to give this person something functionally equivalent to a green card.
As another example, we are not allowed to deport someone to a country where they will be shot by death squads. We have to treat them as refugees. We frequently ignore this because people pretend it's only about Mexico, resulting in us shipping people off to die.
You're assuming consistency on the people arguing about this.
When the Trump administration was fighting lawsuits regarding the "ban on Muslims", the Trump administration argued that they should be granted tons and tons of power on issues surrounding immigration. Because the Trump administration wanted to do it.
Now that the Trump administration does not want to continue DACA, they are arguing that they have absolutely no power over immigration.
That 180 degree flip-flop makes the issue pretty easily confused. Especially when it is the exact same people and supporters making both arguments.
In reality, the power of the US President is in getting other people to do what he wants. Most commonly called "the bully pulpit". The US President has (one of the) largest megaphones in politics and international relations, and frequently can use that to get Congress and other countries to do what he wants.
LBJ's large part in passing the Civil Rights Act was not because he was in Congress. It was because he could bully Congress into passing it.
It was more of a "We're not going to enforce the law under this narrow set of circumstances, which we can justify because aside from anything else we don't have the power to fully enforce the law against everyone, and we have quite a bit of discretion."
One note: part of the reason why there's no law explicitly protecting Dreamers is that Congress is completely dysfunctional, and while there was a majority (inside Congress and with the public in general) in favor of, say, what Marco Rubio was trying to do, there was no practical way to get it passed. There's talk of another attempt to do so, but tying it to something utterly poisonous to Democrats (say, Wall funding), which will again ensure it's sunk.
Trump is but one horrible character in a cast of Washington's worst. If you want to get this fixed, it's probably time to lobby Congress, but don't expect anything to actually happen.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
If their country sucks so badly....they should fix it there, rather than come here, get mad at our country's culture and protest, waving the flags of their country of origin at the damned rallies.
Its a tough world, but it really isn't our problem.
We have plenty of problems with our own true citizens we need to address and take care of first.
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The Executive Branch is allowed to execute Congress's laws as they see fit. The Obama Administration gave guidance on how the deportation of undocumented immigrants was supposed to work. That's DACA. Completely constitutional.
Not quite. Yes, the Executive Branch is the enforcer and executor of the Laws passed by Congress. Guidance (e.g Executive Orders, Regulations, etc) are required to be within the written (Statutory) laws.
DACA was an Executive Order from Obama, however, it contradicts the written laws passed by Congress. DACA explicitly prevents portions of the government from doing their job according to the written law passed by Congress.
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