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Sci-Hub Faces $4.8 Million Piracy Damages and ISP Blocking (torrentfreak.com)

The American Chemical Society (ACS), a leading source of academic publications in the field of chemistry, accused Sci-Hub of mass copyright infringement and is demanding $4.8 million in piracy damages. "Sci-Hub was made aware of the legal proceedings but did not appear in court," reports Torrent Freak. "As a result, a default was entered against the site, and a few days ago ACS specified its demands, which include $4.8 million in piracy damages." The complaint comes soon after the pirate site was ordered to pay $15 million in piracy damages to academic publisher Elsevier. From the report: "Here, ACS seeks a judgment against Sci-Hub in the amount of $4,800,000 -- which is based on infringement of a representative sample of publications containing the ACS Copyrighted Works multiplied by the maximum statutory damages of $150,000 for each publication," they write. "Sci-Hub's unabashed flouting of U.S. Copyright laws merits a strong deterrent. This Court has awarded a copyright holder maximum statutory damages where the defendant's actions were "clearly willful' and maximum damages were necessary to 'deter similar actors in the future.'" The publisher notes that the maximum statutory damages are only requested for 32 of its 9,000 registered works. This still adds up to a significant sum of money, of course, but that is needed as a deterrent, ACS claims.

Although the deterrent effect may sound plausible in most cases, another $4.8 million in debt is unlikely to worry Sci-Hub's owner, as she can't pay it off anyway. However, there's also a broad injunction on the table that may be more of a concern. The requested injunction prohibits Sci-Hub's owner to continue her work on the site. In addition, it also bars a wide range of other service providers from assisting others to access it. Specifically, it restrains "any Internet search engines, web hosting and Internet service providers, domain name registrars, and domain name registries, to cease facilitating access to any or all domain names and websites through which Defendant Sci-Hub engages in unlawful access to [ACS's works]."

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  1. Perhaps I'm just crazy... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But I am finding it hard to find a place in my heart to enable companies to "own" published scientific research. If you're a scientist and you publish your findings, it should be free. Period. That doesn't stop someone from commercializing the fruits of their research according to the opaque patent laws around the globe, but the actual scientific discovery ought to be public and free.

    Best,

    1. Re:Perhaps I'm just crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed! Speaking as a scientist I would love to see this kind of change. If it's paid for by tax dollars the results should be free and open. More open access to scientific literature will drive more innovation and profit in the private sector and simplify and improve access in the academic world. It's not uncommon to simply ignore a paper that might be relevant to your work simply because it's behind a pay-walled service for which the university does not have a contract.

    2. Re: Perhaps I'm just crazy... by chipschap · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You may think Google is evil, Apple is evil, Oracle is evil, MS is evil ... take your pick.

      But Elsevier ... they are truly evil.

  2. impotence of unjust law is good by sittingnut · · Score: 2

    let them stack punishment on punishment on copyright violators and "pirates". punishments that will be increasingly unenforcible as more and more methods are found and used, both to evade punishments, and perpetrate the alleged "crime"

    more an unjustifiable law is exposed as impotent, better it is.

    original creators and discoverers should learn to be satisfied with creation and discovery itself and glory(if any). financial rewards should be confined to direct interactions(actual performance, talks, employment, etc ,)

    1. Re:impotence of unjust law is good by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its not the creators and discoverers that are suing. Its the rent-seeking journal.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
  3. US Court - Russian Site by The+Raven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure that the court action in a US court will have a huge effect on that Russian site, hosted in Russia, made by a Russian woman.

    Or, you know, not.

    Sci-Hub will continue to not give a shit what the random whinging of profit mongering science leeches like Elsevier and ACS. The world will collectively ignore the judgement and continue on reaping the benefits of free and open access to scientific research. And search engines will roll their eyes at requests to delete their indexes; hell, the corporations can't even get Google to stop indexing game and media piracy... do you really think they'll be able to deter the far less morally dubious 'piracy' that Alexandra's Sci-Hub encourages?

    Just one more news article to pile on to the entire Barbara Streisand effect pile, just to make sure nobody is unaware of this awesome site.

    --
    "I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
    1. Re:US Court - Russian Site by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you meant to say "I'm sure that the court action in a US court will have a huge effect on that Kazakhstan site, hosted in Kazakhstan, made by a Kazakhstan woman."

  4. Fuck off. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recently discovered sci-hub. The shear amount of knowledge accessible through it is astounding. These are things I'd never have had access to before due to location and financial reasons (some websites won't let me buy their stuff from my country, and I don't really have that kind of money to be flinging around paying for random papers and what not).

    If we actually cared about our species as a whole, this sort of information would be freely available to those that seek it. I hope sci-hub can ignore these silly demands and continue improving their website. Fuck the ACS. They don't even sound like they were significantly affected by it.

  5. How very dare she... by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .free the world's knowledge from these paywall-mongers for the betterment of personkind. How very dare she.

  6. Re: I didn't think they were US based... by easyTree · · Score: 3, Informative

    And Streisand's themselves as the anti-humanity ghouls that they are.

  7. Place blame where it belongs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The published scientists are the enablers of this enterprise. It's time for them to make a stand and to publish only in open-access journals. I, myself, published a paper in an Elsevier journal four decades ago, long before the Internet, but I would never do this today.

    1. Re:Place blame where it belongs by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Utter bullshit.
      I am a patient, with a severe medical condition.
      A moderate fraction of new papers on my disease are available openly.
      Very much not all.
      Plus, only looking at new papers doesn't help you at all to dig out if the rationale for work, which is based on earlier work is sane.

      Not all work is funded through the NIH, and almost none is outside the USA.

  8. We need to wind back the clock... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I am finding it hard to find a place in my heart to enable companies to "own" published scientific research.

    They do not - they own the copyright on a paper. There is absolutely nothing to stop the author writing another paper with the same information and making that freely available. Indeed most papers in my field are preceded by a preprint on arxiv which is completely free.

    If you're a scientist and you publish your findings, it should be free.

    Agreed. The problem is that the reason that all these academic publishers exist has almost entirely vanished but there is a huge inertia in the system to change because many people's academic performance is evaluated based on where and how often they publish.

    Personally, I think we need to go back to what we had before publishers took over. The current system grew out of scientific societies which would publish a regular bulletin based on letters from members who wrote in about a discovery they had made. As science took off the societies grew and printing thinker bulletins, more frequently with a larger circulation became a huge, expensive and time-consuming job given old printing presses. So the job was spun off to publishers who were good at doing this and they made their money to support the work by charging a subscription.

    Today the journals need to be returned to the scientific societies which started them. The cost of publishing is basically nothing if you do it on the web and we academics already provide all the reviewing and correction of the content. The publisher is just involved in formatting and typesetting which is less important and easier to do if you publish online vs. a printing press.

    1. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by pz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The cost of publishing is basically nothing if you do it on the web and we academics already provide all the reviewing and correction of the content.

      As part of a scientific conference I run, I act as a publisher for the proceedings. I can assure you that the cost of publishing is absolutely NOT "basically nothing". If you were to properly account for all of our costs, it would run about $2000 per article. That includes things like salaries for editors and support staff, honoraria for reviewers (yes, we pay them), typesetting, office rent, electricity, web hosting, etc. For us, it does NOT include profit, as we exist as, essentially, an unofficial society.

      Now, you can make the argument that the scientists are doing all of the work in generating the content. Yes, I agree. But the value that a publisher brings to bear is (a) mangement of the peer-review process, (b) a proper typesetting and consistent format --- and believe me, even if you provide incredibly rigid and explicit instructions, people figure out how to screw it up a dozen ways from Sunday, (c) a reputation for publishing only high-quality work, (d) recognition within the field that if someone associates themselves with our event, our reputation rubs off a little on them (and, yes, it's a two-way street: by selecting only high-quality work, we get a good reputation and vice-versa), and (e) indexing of your article.

      So, where should that $2000 per article funding come from, exactly? It is far from "basically nothing", especially in the aggregate. If you disagree, I challenge you to start and run your own high-quality publication for a decade in a financially responsible way. I have.

      --

      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    2. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Goldsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many of the things you're talking about doing as an editor are not... valuable. The idea that there is value in prestige for publishing has been a disaster for science. This is a concept that is only about 40 years old, it is not some great tradition of science. Prestige publishing is immensely useful to professors and publishers, but not anyone else. We are at a historic low point for production of science that is useful or interesting to the general public when looking at per scientist or per dollar spent. We are epically failing to identify, execute, and communicate important research. In short, scientists and publishers do not know what "high quality" means anymore! Our current definition is incorrect!

      Typesetting, formatting, web-hosting, indexing... if the authors and funders of the paper are not willing to do these things well, the work is not worth publishing. Think about what it means for the people funding research to abandon responsibility for it to someone else. I keep either open license or white paper manuscript versions of as many of my papers as I can on my website - that website also has significant SEO and search indexing work put into it. I do that because my funders insist on it, because they believe in the value of the work. It is truly eye-opening when your funder actually values your work. NSF, DOE, DoD, and NIH all manage or fund repositories of all of the reports produced by their grants going back decades (most not available online because of lobbying by publishers). Sci-Hub has a limited lifetime until these various agencies finish their transition to publicly available hosting of all of their funded results.

      So what are you providing, really? Prestige publishing is a marketing tool for your journal, not a value for science. Hosting and formatting is something that should be done by any competent scientific funder. It should worry all of us that it is necessary for you to do this. That leaves us with peer review and editing.

      These are valuable additions to a paper, but these functions can also be accomplished differently. The most traditional approach for review, the face-to-face meeting with experts, is why you have the conference in the first place. People are paying you to take part in that process! Either the conference is not functioning as a place to seriously discuss research (maybe save those honoraria for good session moderators), or peer review of the conference papers is simply a hoop-jumping exercise.

    3. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Informative

      As part of a scientific conference I run, I act as a publisher for the proceedings. I can assure you that the cost of publishing is absolutely NOT "basically nothing".

      Well as part of the scientific conference I run, I acted as publisher for the proceedings and we did it all online for nothing but the organizational effort via arXiv. So yes it can be done for that price if you do it online. Besides who on earth wants printed copies of proceedings today? I think I've only ever looked things up in proceedings about twice and at least in my field, almost no conferences bother with them anymore (we don't now) because all the talk slides are online through the conference website so there really is no need for them. Just wait for the actual paper.

    4. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Informative

      But the value that a publisher brings to bear is (a) mangement of the peer-review process,

      They don't really manage it - that's done by editors who are usually academics too.

      (b) a proper typesetting and consistent format --- and believe me, even if you provide incredibly rigid and explicit instructions, people figure out how to screw it up a dozen ways from Sunday,

      This is not needed for online publication. You do not have to have lots of rigid rules and the ones you do have can be enforced automatically.

      (c) a reputation for publishing only high-quality work, + (d) [which is effectively the same point]

      Hence my point that the effort needs to be started by those same academic societies which began the journals in the first place. If physics societies like the IoP or APS put their names to such efforts their reputations will jump start the procedure of acquiring a solid reputation. Ultimately though these things take time to build up - the conference regularly organize has been running for over 30 years and it takes time to build a reputation.

      (e) indexing of your article.

      This is trivially easy today. Indeed things like ORCID are making it very easy - and free - to unambiguously link researchers and papers.

    5. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by pz · · Score: 2

      But the value that a publisher brings to bear is (a) mangement of the peer-review process,

      They don't really manage it - that's done by editors who are usually academics too.

      If you are fair, then you are including the costs of the editors' time. I did in my analysis above. We get much of our effort donated, and we pay for some, too. To be complete and fair, one should understand the full costs of running a publishing house, not just the immediately apparent costs. Someone has to pay for those salaries and benefits. I hope that eventually, we will be able to cover actual costs by providing financial support to the editorial staff that currently donate their time (we already pay reviewers, however freakishly unusual that may be), but, as you point out, building a reputation like that requires decades of work, and we're still on our way.

      --

      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    6. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      look, if you pay salaries and benefits you are in fact running a for-profit organization that has made it's job/profit center to publish that stuff.

      since your and your underlings salaries can be just any sum you deem, it is quite useless to talk about any sum since you just deemed the cost of publishing to be any sum you want it to be, which is basically as much money as you can possibly get from everyone involved, which is then divvied up as salaries - so no matter how much you got sponsorship you would still need to ask more money.

      so with that logic you could ask 10 dollars per article view or 10 000 dollars. it doesn't really matter - all of that money would still go into your organizations pockets as salaries.

      publishing the stuff you want to publish is in fact very cheap. what you are arguing is that the process of deciding what to publish is not cheap, mainly because you need to oversee it and straight up pay money to people to review the papers, instead of finding people to review them for honor points or people who are already employed at universities just to review such stuff.

      that you even mention hosting leads just to believe that you do that with someone who is also profiting from the affair, since the actual cost is tiny compared to even flight ticket for any attendee to the conference - and surely you have some sponsors or are asking attendees some money? note that cost of hosting goes up drastically if you need to pay some outsider to run a webshop to purchase your papers.

      but here comes the real kicker, do you ask money from the people who want their papers published or from the people who want to read them? or both? I'm pretty sure that you should already know that the organization in spotlight of this article does both and the aim is to extract as much profit as possible, not to act on cost by any means.

      you could do it cheaper of course, but that would mean someone losing their salary. maybe the janitor as the first one,

      Elsevier is a huge profit center, don't kid yourself about it. it generates straight up profit and pays ridiculous salaries for jobs that could be done cheaper - and you, you're just working your way up to there.

      the bigger problem in science community in general is that having it published in a "prestigious" journal is more important than what the paper itself has. literally 99.99% useless - even the published stuff. this is just result of the institutional fetish of publishing stuff even if you have in fact found or figured out nothing new and the result of the work would be much more useful to the world in general formatted differently as a post on blogspot, instead the 1 sentence of useful information is buried in 4 pages of paperspeak.

      I mean, HYPERTEXT was arguably MADE for such texts and referenced information, to easily check out the referenced texts. so why is the scientific community still insisting that the system of publishing papers is good? because it provides the perfect circle jerk admittance?

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    7. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Anybody who lists "web hosting" as a cost immediately loses all credibility in my opinion. I host web sites with more traffic than a scientific journal for cents a month, domain included.

    8. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      $2000 per article my arse.

      (a) mangement of the peer-review process

      a few emails? Usually done incompetently.

      (b) a proper typesetting and consistent format

      mostly done by authors using templates, if it's not right usually pointed out by reviewers

      (c) a reputation for publishing only high-quality work

      This is free for you

      (d) recognition within the field blah blah

      free for you

      (e) indexing of your article

      could be free, e.g. https://arxiv.org, at most a few pence per article

    9. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      If you are fair, then you are including the costs of the editors' time. I did in my analysis above. We get much of our effort donated

      Hold on a minute, you're including the editors time in your $2000 per article, when you don't pay for it? People who are not even in your institution and who donated their time? Why don't you include the salaries of the people who built the roads and internet. The cost per article could actually be millions, or billions!

    10. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paying reviewers is nice. It's also not typically done, and I sincerely doubt it's most of the 2000$ you come up with.

      Did you cover the rent/electricity/janitorial stuff of reviewers? Of scientific editors that actually make the decision what to publish?

      If not then this fee, with the exception of the honoraria, doesn't go to anyone who is actually contributing something of value to the journal.

      You are complaining that it's expensive to hire people that don't add much value. The obvious solution is to not hire them. Scholastica organizes the peer review process for 10$ per article. That's a sensible price. The arxiv's expenses are 1.2 million$ per year for an article submission rate of about 10.000/month, and access to 1.2 million existing articles. So similarly about 10$ per new article. The largest single chunk of that will come from scientific institutions paying a membership fee of between 4.400$ and 1.000$.

      What do you think the value added is of the arxiv, vs. two articles in your journal?

    11. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are fair, then you are including the costs of the editors' time. I did in my analysis above.

      If you included that then you are just being daft because you don't pay for it. Being an editor, reviewer or author is considered part of an academic's job. The current system relies on us to volunteer our time and so, when comparing alternatives against this system it is extremely fair to rely on the same free services that the current system enjoys.

    12. Re:We need to wind back the clock... by pz · · Score: 2

      Wow, this lengthy comment is so far off the mark that it's hard to believe it was so highly rated. Here we go.

      look, if you pay salaries and benefits you are in fact running a for-profit organization that has made it's job/profit center to publish that stuff.

      You do not seem to understand the difference between for-profit and non-profit (a/k/a not-for-profit). Non-profit organizations definitely pay salaries and benefits to their employees. If you are being honest about the real costs of running a journal, you need to account for all of the salaries and time, whether donated or not.

      since your and your underlings salaries can be just any sum you deem

      There are laws specifically about the minimum pay allowable in, as far as I understand, the entire developed world, so this is just not the case. Moreover, if you don't pay people commensurate to the skills required for the task, you aren't going to get many takers.

      you just deemed the cost of publishing to be any sum you want it to be, which is basically as much money as you can possibly get from everyone involved, which is then divvied up as salaries - so no matter how much you got sponsorship you would still need to ask more money.

      Ah, so I see you've never raised funds before. When you get money from a sponsor, it isn't typically a blind affair. You need to usually provide a budget and list the currently available resources to demonstrate a need. If sponsors think you are paying your staff too much, they are unlikely to contribute. If sponsors don't think their funds are going to be spent well, they are unlikely to contribute. If sponsors think they are just going to be lining the pockets of the organizers, they are unlikely to contribute.

      so with that logic you could ask 10 dollars per article view or 10 000 dollars. it doesn't really matter - all of that money would still go into your organizations pockets as salaries.

      Really. Who said anything about asking for money to view articles? I was taking about the cost of producing and publishing. The actual, real cost.

      publishing the stuff you want to publish is in fact very cheap. what you are arguing is that the process of deciding what to publish is not cheap, mainly because you need to oversee it and straight up pay money to people to review the papers, instead of finding people to review them for honor points or people who are already employed at universities just to review such stuff.

      Silly me to want to publish a high-quality journal, and do so in an ethical way by paying people for their work. You're absolutely right! I should give up and become evil!

      that you even mention hosting leads just to believe that you do that with someone who is also profiting from the affair, since the actual cost is tiny compared to even flight ticket for any attendee to the conference

      Uh, what? Have you priced hosting services? Have you priced the alternative of paying a sysadmin to purchase and maintain a server, and contract with ISPs to run a server, make sure everything is always secure and up-to-date, take care of backups, commit to 99.99% uptime, make sure your email always works, etc? The actual cost for decent hosting is about $3600 a year, give-or-take. And I mean VPS hosting from a company that will be here in 10 years.

      - and surely you have some sponsors or are asking attendees some money? note that cost of hosting goes up drastically if you need to pay some outsider to run a webshop to purchase your papers.

      Costs. Focus on costs, not income. Yes, naturally we have income. We are financially solvent.

      but here comes the real kicker, do you ask money from the people who want their papers published or from the people who want to read them? or both? I'm pretty sure that you should already know that the or

      --

      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
  9. Re:I didn't think they were US based... by jonsmirl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They should have asked for the full $1,350,000,000 that the law allows. That would demonstrate how ridiculous it is to hold scientific knowledge hostage for payments to a publisher.

  10. Lots of Options by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, where should that $2000 per article funding come from, exactly? It is far from "basically nothing", especially in the aggregate. If you disagree, I challenge you to start and run your own high-quality publication for a decade in a financially responsible way. I have.

    There are many options. It does have to get paid for, but copyright may not be the best way to do it--in fact, we know it isn't, because it restrict access to information that is literally there to advance human knowledge. Perhaps schools and individuals who wish to publish could subscribe to publishing cooperatives, for example.

    In the alternative, scientific papers could more sensibly be treated like patents--a short period of monopoly, followed by public use.

    The big problem is the politics of trying to get it done, not that there's any intrinsic preference for copyright-based pricing of access to scientific knowledge.

    --
    Real lawyers write in C++
  11. Sci-Hub Onion by Phronesis · · Score: 2

    In case the domain gets blocked, there is always scihub22266oqcxt.onion

  12. Re:Who has the copyrights? by xvan · · Score: 2

    You cede to the journal publication rights. Because of that you may only find drafts of papers on arxiv.

  13. Re:Who has the copyrights? by xvan · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the "logic" is that they own it as they had some "experts" check it(for a cheque)..

    Most journal reviewers don't get paid for their work. They own it because you cede the copyright.
    In fact, the writer pays for the curation, editing process and reputation of the publisher.

  14. Re:We need to wind back thSo, where shoue clock... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, where should that $2000 per article funding come from, exactly?

    Same place the funding for the original research itself came from? Add the "cost of publishing" to the grant proposal.

    And if it's publicly-funded at taxpayer expense, don't even THINK about putting the result behind a goddamned paywall.

  15. great post PZ, except it is all a lie by Texmaize · · Score: 5, Informative

    As part of the scientific community who has published many articles, I can affirm that the above poster is exaggerating at best. Since the age of the word processor, the author does the lions share of the type setting. In fact, I have had articles sent back for revision if the type setting was wrong. So, I am not sure what all these high paid graphics artists are doing.

    Now, I have also reviewed hundreds of articles. I guess I really did not get the memo, because I was not paid for a single one. Maybe in the above posters magical journal, they pay reviews, but in my experience it is a service that one has to do gratis, if they want grant money from a federal agency. If I am wrong, i am happy to send a bill

    As for the rest of the arguments, all I can say is that circles are circular because they are circles. If one creates a system with an arbitrary number of cost centers at an arbitrary cost, then they can get an arbitrary value for their production fee. For example, many journals are located in DC or New York. While I am sure this is a lot of fun for the editor, it is not necessary. I am pretty sure in a world of interconnected supply chains, one could base in somewhere cheap like West Virginia, pay negligible rent and pay the editor less since it is a cheap place to live. Suddenly, the costs go down.

    BTW, the editor's main job is to find reviewers and to see if the article fits the scope of the journal. Despite the title, there is very little editing of typos etc going on from that position. Some journals also have people do this gratis, for the ability to have a better chance to get grants, of course.

    To put this in further perspective, the poster claims over $2000 per article. Using an example I know well, the journal of physical chemistry has about 30-40 articles per issue. So, this means each issue is costing 60-80K dollars. In comparison, a comic book has a break even point of about $20,000/issue. These are in full color, based in New York, and they have to pay all their artists and authors. Since a comic book costs about 3 dollars, this means they are doing this for less than the poster's journal, who gets all their material for free. Something doesn't add up.

    Did I mention that the authors of the article have to pay to be published? Just saying...

    --
    "Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
  16. Re: Who has the copyrights? by mSparks43 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    because their jobs depend on having publications in high impact journals. basically, the tax payer pays them to make acs and elselvier a shit ton of money. Its also technically illegal aiui, because us government funded work (with the exception of patents) is supposed to be public domain.