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Lenovo Looks To Commemorate 25th Anniversary of IBM's Notebook Brand With Thinkpad 25 (theregister.co.uk)
New submitter Provocateur writes: Lenovo will be marking the 25th anniversary of IBM's well known notebook with the Thinkpad 25. Andrew Orlowski writes via The Register: "The long-awaited 'retro' Thinkpad will be based on the guts of a contemporary T470 laptop, Lenovo's business workhorse, according to a German certification site. Lenovo inherited IBM's notebook brand 12 years ago, and with it a design classic. However, in 2012 Lenovo saw fit to 'modernize' the iconic keyboard, along with other unwelcome changes. This didn't meet with approval from some stalwarts, who clung to the superior X220 and T420 lines, the last that you could buy with the 7 row QWERTY. Two years ago Lenovo's design chief Dave Hill acknowledged that some people 'would stand in line' for the classic version. In June, Hill confirmed that for the Thinkpad's 25th anniversary this year a retro edition would indeed be produced, which Hill promised 'will embody many of the things people asked for.'
The German certification site has found the 'Thinkpad 25' variant described as a Thinkpad T470 here (hat-tip to NoteBook Check). A Chinese notebook forum has a picture purporting to be the Thinkpad 25."
The German certification site has found the 'Thinkpad 25' variant described as a Thinkpad T470 here (hat-tip to NoteBook Check). A Chinese notebook forum has a picture purporting to be the Thinkpad 25."
I *know* I want this one. Especially suited for Emacs!
IBM Thinkpad's were well designed reliable devices. The crap that Lenovo pushes out is shit. Do not want.
To this day my ancient T-40 has my favorite laptop keyboard. I wrote soooo much code on that thing. Alas it is nowhere near fast enough for today's software, and the drivers haven't been updated since the WinXP days. Even modern Linux distros don't really work with its antique ATI gfx anymore. A new laptop with that keyboard would be awesome. I'd buy one.
the cheap fucking keyboards on laptops these days is why i don't even bother with one anymore. not a fan of lenovo (or of its purchase of ibm's pc business), but fuck, man, give me a real keyboard on a laptop and i might just have to splurge.
If they run OS/2.
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Did Thinkpad die?
I take my children to see Madonna(..), but I never for once ever thought I was in the same business.Chris Rea.
I've always used them because they are solid, like if a tank ran over it, the tank would still be ok. I'm using a T420 to post, which is kind of struggling now. I was nervous when lenovo bought the thinkpad line from IBM however they have still been pretty good.
Plus I get to say they are space rated to all my friends with Macs because it's true - even if it is lame.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
A manufacturer listened to their customers. Yay.
Classic design oh snap that's so boring it's retro. Handjobs all around.
^ FTFY
Did Thinkpad die?
Yes, around the time IBM decided to branch it off and sell it to Lenovo.
(Though, the thinkpads themselve didn't. They are all still running. They'll probably survive a nuclear holocaust).
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Yeah, I guess they should also celebrate how they dodged the Superfish lawsuit with a slap on the wrist and how the law has basically approved their shady tactics on installing malware on firmware and putting spyware on their laptops to scam costumers out of their data. *clap clap*
Then count me out.
Ah, the double moral standards of capitalists at work! Go on and vent your anger, comrade!
Lenovo can take a short walk off a long pier, after shafting me on a "3-5 business day delivery" of a new laptop that was exponentially delayed twice before I cancelled, while their site was *still* showing delivery in 3-5 business days on the same order. No modern technology business can get away with crap like that. I had my Dell the next day.
Eh... they're not IBMs anymore, but Thinkpads are still the best laptops out there for Linux users.
The escape key on my X1 Carbon isn't nearly big enough for proper vi-keys use. So I finally had to learn how to map escape to the caps lock key. Not that difficult.
After a T500 and a T420 randomly died (dead motherboard, no lights, no charge, no boot, no nothing. Dead as a dodo), I've switched to HP's Elitebook series. Nice aluminium chassis', decent keyboard, glass trackpad, nice design and robust as hell.
>> still the best laptops out there for Linux users.
Fujitsu Lifebooks have better value when bought used, and are just as robust, work nice with Linux
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And bogus security certificates? Do we get a load of bloat- and crapware preinstalled that nothing but a total wipe and clean install can cure, where we then get to beg forever to get drivers for their hardware (only to get told from support that we can always revert to the "clean" original state and they're happy to provide a CD with an image ... for a small three-digit fee of course?
The Thinkpad died for me the moment IBM sold the brand.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
My T420 still runs great for development (maxed RAM and SSD) but when my equipment refresh came up and I was faced with the damned keypad and minus the t-bar I jumped ship to a Surface Book. It also doesn't have a t-bar (less important with a touch screen for paging), but the layout doesn't have a keypad, and a bonus is a 3:2 screen ratio which is easier to use for vertical work and gives more real estate.
However, in 2012 Lenovo saw fit to 'modernize' the iconic keyboard, along with other unwelcome changes. This didn't meet with approval from some stalwarts, who clung to the superior X220 and T420 lines
I've got a T420 as my personal laptop, and a T440 at work. Anyone who claims the T420 is a better laptop is a blithering idiot. It's heavier, slower, has much worse battery life, worse screen hinges, an inferior touchpad (the trackpoint is obsolete when compared to modern touchpads) and is just a worse package.
Even the much-vaunted keyboard on the T420 has issues. It's wobbly and I've have to add little pads of duct tape in strategic places to make it feel nice and solid, like my T440 or my old T42.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a better laptop than most non-Thinkpads, but it is absolutely not a better laptop than the newer Thinkpads.
Eat the rich.
If its anything like the original which probably would be running today except for hardware becoming outdated and slow. This was back in the day when a laptop could survive a battle field and live on.
Product ID: 2374R97 Type 2374-R97 S/N L3-4F-BOC 60gb hard drive, mem 1024 DVD/CD R/W , Validated & updated fully WinXP
Any advice on what to do with it?
Lenovo is listening their customers via its spyware, so nice that the data collected was not wasted.
Upgraded the RAM, replaced the battery and hard drive, even replaced the screen. Still one of the best laptops I have ever used. Biggest problem is it is heavy compared to modern laptops.
It's not really even capitalism... Lenovo makes the worst laptops but big business buys them because they are cheap. The loss of work time and quality is staggering.
But in the US, money is speech. So it does not matter if Lenovo didn't invent ThinkPads since the Chinese have spoken.
Ezekiel 23:20
But you can use Ctrl+[ instead of Esc
If Lenovo makes the worst laptops, then either I got lucky that my 7-year-old T510 still works just fine, or their quality has really gone downhill since 2010.
The 4-year-old Dell that it replaced took the same abuse, but required several battery and motherboard swaps, not to mention replacement charging cables.
dom
Both of your statements are false. Lenovo laptops are not cheap and they hold up better than the likes if HP and Dell.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Thinkpad 25 /w AMD Ryzen 2700U
The X1 Carbon with no caps lock key and the "\" key moved to where the escape key is? The one where the touch bar where the F keys are doesn't work at all under Linux, so you hope it is in "function key" mode before it loads the OS, so you can actually use F1-F12?
That was one real piece of crap laptop that I would not recommend to anyone who desired to do real work. It also was the best advertisement for Dell I've ever seen.
Will it include a retro version of Superfish?
The soul becomes dyed with the color of its thoughts. - Marcus Aurelius
It depends.
If it doesn't have the word 'Think' on it, it's pretty cheap and generally not that good (same is true of basically all the 'consumer' product lines of the major brands)..
If it has the word 'Think' on it, it's *probably* a really good laptop, though some of them aren't so good. Sticking to X, T, or P laptops things are consistently pretty good.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Yes, thankfully that experiment, much like the no-button trackpoint are well behind them. Just like hopefully Apple's experiment with a touch bar will also be behind them next gen.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
It comes pre-loaded with SuperDooperFish!
Check your premises.
Well, maybe - my x230 is still going strong
Just had my 3 year old Lenovo u530 break, faulty hinges that broke my bezel an glass. Found out it was a common problem and why it would never sleep properly. Lenovo will not cover it, so I learned he hard way they are crap and do not stand behind their defects, will never buy Lenovo again.
Except Levonos are shit. The touchpad is the worst, moves the pointer every time you try to double-click(https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/2g81qu/lenovo_admits_new_trackpad_was_a_mistake_idf_14/). Keys coming off for not reason. Overall poor product, shitty engineering, lack of quality checks. Don't buy this shit.
1. Display aspect ratio no "wider" than 16:10
2. Ultra bay with swappable HDD/Disc/Battery options
3. Matte screen, IPS or TN I don't care as long as it's a LCD display that isn't (AM)OLED.
4. Must be reasonably thick.. there must be space for normal internal 2.5" HDD and usable ports. Nothing must be compromised because "thin is cool" or any such BS.
5. Absolutely no non-removable batteries. I don't believe I have to say this.
6. T60/T400 era keyboard or more to the point any of insert + delete, home + end, page up + page down MUST NOT be on the same row
7. Small or non-existent track pad
8. Lots of USB3 ports and some C types.
9. Microphone + Headphone jacks
10. At least 1gbit Ethernet and ESATA port
11. HDMI or DP
12. Intel graphics option
13. Option for no fingerprint readers and no cameras.
14. Physical switches to directly control internal mic and wireless radios in a manner that can't be bypassed in software/firmware.
15. Option for a good standalone internal GPS without your typical crap coupled with WLAN cards.
16. Must be upgradable to at least 64 GB RAM and must support ECC
17. At least 12hrs battery life.
18. Must be easy to replace internal boards if necessary with screws and ribbon cables.. absolutely no MS surface style glue and shit.
19. Must support Linux and not be locked down in any way.. I don't believe I have to say this.
20. Must be plain boring black with no annoying public facing advertisements like glowing apples and shit.
21. If I am forced to pay for an OS license it had better be one licensed to allow installation of standard non-Lenovo molested version of the OS.
22. Must not nerf standard hardware virtualization features
23. AMT, *jack and associated BS must be able to be disabled AND permanently fused in BIOS.
24. Reasonable amount of useful indicator lights. When lid closed there must be at least power/battery indicator visible. When open there must be HDD & Network activity lights.
25. Option for no touch screen
Since my R50 bought refurbished in 2004 and running an obsolete version of Lubuntu, suddenly won't play youtube videos anymore. Must be time to upgrade. Sure will miss that 4:3 screen though.
Haha vi.
The typematrix keyboard is perfect sized for a laptop, I'd kill for a laptop with one!