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EU Presidency Calls For Massive Internet Filtering, Leaked Document Shows (edri.org)

An anonymous reader shares a report: A Council of the European Union document leaked by Statewatch on 30 August reveals that during the summer months, that Estonia (current EU Presidency) has been pushing the other Member States to strengthen indiscriminate internet surveillance, and to follow in the footsteps of China regarding online censorship. Standing firmly behind its belief that filtering the uploads is the way to go, the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission's original proposal, and pushing it further into the realms of illegality. According to the leaked document, the text suggests two options for each of the two most controversial proposals: the so-called "link tax" or ancillary copyright and the upload filter.

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  1. New internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those of us in the tech sector need to be seriously talking about building a new layer of internet on top of the old one.

    Human expression and dignity is under assault by fascists cloaked in the sheepskin of virtue.

    Google, Facebook, Cloudflare, are now marching lockstep with the oppressive regimes of China and the EU.

    1. Re:New internet by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those of us in the tech sector need to be seriously talking about building a new layer of internet on top of the old one.

      Agreed. I have been thinking about this for some time. There's got to be some kind of Virtual Internet (maybe based on VPNs) that we can build over the top of the current Internet. One where all traffic is encrypted and the sources are untraceable. Similar to TOR, but without all of the hops.

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  2. EU by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The EU apologists are downplaying this by pointing out that the current EU president (Estonia) is merely agenda setting and not a powerful executive. People that understand the malice of big government recognize this for what it is; the camel's nose. It will survive the transition to the next unelected EU president, and the one after and so on, until its on the docket in Brussel's various commissions and parliament.

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    1. Re:EU by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the wingnut alarmists think that the next president will bring it in. It still has to go through the Commission, the council and then parliament. Which it won't. Several groups already have this in their crosshairs and are making noise about it. Not to mention ECHR - who literally yesterday gave a ruling that your employer has to notify you of monitoring of your work email - would torpedo it in an instant.

    2. Re:EU by coastwalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The destruction of the EU is a CIA dream. The EU are the only global political force that actually have any alternative against the American system of Corporate fucking of the population. Enjoy your slavery to corporations who are free to fuck your environment you fool.

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  3. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait, the country that has one of the most aggressive pro-filtering stances outside of the Middle East is now a beacon of reason? ROFLMAO!

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  4. Fascism spreads by evolutionary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there is only one reason for using China's system for control data/opinions shows: To guarantee the status quo and minimize or eliminate any threat to your current power structure. Unless the world wants their governments run like China, those that don't like it need to speak up, openly, now....because once it's in, it will be a lot harder to remove. (as per design)

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  5. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. Because what you said is foolishness.

    Yes. England invaded lots of places. So did Spain and Russia (as it expanded east) and China (as it expanded west) and the Zulus (as they expanded south) and the Chaldeans and the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Persians and the ... (you get the point).

    Ruining it and causing migration - here's where you're wrong. English colonialism is not the reason for Pakistani immigration.

    You might as well blame Karl Marx for Zimbabwe's collapse. It would be more relevant than the 80 years of British rule.

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  6. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place? Never crossed your mind did it?

    Let me get this straight, the UK invaded the majority of the globe and is single highhandedly responsible for ruining the countries and by extension for all the migrants. Wow, either they have far more capability than I've ever credited them with or you really don't take responsibility for anything. I view immigration as a case of if your country sucks fix it. If you can't fix it then don't take your messed up ways with you and assimilate into wherever you go. Too bad immigration seems to be a case of "my country sucks so I'll take my messed up ways with me wherever I go and ruin those places too". As I've said many times, you can have nice things or mass immigration but you can't have both.

  7. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So what harm has the EU done exactly?

    The EU eroded border security and caused a mass influx of criminal migrants and terrorists. While simultaneously prohibiting member countries from policing their own borders.

    Not to mention that the whole thing is designed to be an end run around democracy: power lies with the appointed commission, not the elected parliament. It's a lobbyist's and career politician's wet dream.

  8. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brexit isn't sounding so bad now, is it....?

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  9. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by nukenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place?

    What BS.

    Britain colonised some places and these ended up being some of the best places to live (eg North America, Australia, NZ). Other places they did not colonise (in the sense of settling large numbers of people there) but administered (eg India, African nations, parts of the Middle East); some of these latter are hell-holes today. But they were hell-holes before - that is why Britain stepped in and administrated them. Britain would start with trading posts, but when trade stopped because of warring between different tribes inland, the British would go in and bang heads together to stop it. This led to taking over high-level internal policing and administration. In these cases the local native rulers were usually allowed to retain their positions under British protection. This was a different approach from some other European colonial powers (notably France) which tried to stamp out the local cultures.

    Eg gradually most (not all) of India became administrated in that way, including the building of infrastructure such as railways, ports, and government buildings often superior to those back home. While many British administrators and engineers and their families lived for long periods in India, they were not settlers like in North America and would always be talking of the day they would go back home. In fact settling was only done where the natives were clearly primitive (usually stone age in culture) and the climate was temperate.

    It was Britain withdrawing from some of these countries that was a disaster for them. India was a blood-bath in the late 1940's (but recovered eventually), and some of the old African colonies still are. The reason the UK is sought by immigrants is that Britain had given these ex-colonies a taste of how life could be better than in a shit hole, and of course the English language which remained the official one in many of these ex-colonies.

  10. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The media seem to be deluded into thinking that getting rid of Trump would magically make the massive percentage of populists go away,
    populists who are not on a decline but rather on a rise, ergo populism made its stamp. The media think they operage like some deity, with a swipe of their hands and people will cease to exist magically and divinely.
    In the past 30 years, i have never seen the field of journalism decline to such a state that it is in itself a parody of Trump now, in opinion pieces, in trying to play bias police, in producing clickbait (even BBC these few years is allowing the most ridiculous idiotic news on its front page such as that firemen sausage shit).
    At this point the only difference between big news brands and bloggers is a presence of tax subsidy for news companies and a more lavish brand of blogging.

  11. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The EU is France, Germany, and the UK, plus a bunch of troublesome leeches

    Eh, no. And no again

    Germany, France and the UK (in that order) are the 3 largest economies in the Union by far, but combined their GDP currently makes up around 51,2 % of that of the whole union. The UK by itself represents around 14,4 % of the total economy, France is 16 % and Germany is 20 %.

    The remaining 24 countries are miniscule in size compared to these 3, but in total are roughly as big as these three. After the UK leaves, the shares will change so that Germany will grow to be around 24 % of the whole economy, while France's share goes up to around 19. This means that the other remaining EU countries together actually dwarf Germany and France in size.

    Secondly, there are currently 10 member states that pay into the union more than they take out of it. In addition to Germany, France and the UK these include the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Austria, Italy and Ireland (granted Ireland and Italy pretty much break even so their contribution is not major). Spain (5th largest economy in the union after Italy) also pretty much breaks even although they still currently receive slightly more than they pay in.

    The instant one of them leaves, the EU is dead, and Europe will go back to doing what it does best - warring with itself.

    What? The EU, for all its numerous flaws is still a succesful economic zone with a total GDP second only to the US once the UK leaves, so thinking that France or Germany would want to leave/shatter the union when it has benefited them the most as the biggest economies in the zone, or that 1 of them leaving would automatically trigger the collapse of the whole union and/or massive war is misguided. Especially now with the situation of Russia being what it is, there are very few leaders on a national level that would even want to leave, because reverting back to a bunch of solitary nation states is both economically damaging and is also essentially equal to surrending massive amounts of influence and control over to Russia, US and China, which from a purely game theory point of view of (geo)politics is a dumb as fuck move (for both the smaller states who will then be at the mercy of these larger players, as well as the big economies like France and Germany whose global influence/power would be greatly diminished if the Union stopped existing). This is something that both France and Germany understand well.

    Think of it is this way: after the UK goes, the choice faced by Germany and France will be the following: they can either continue as the 2 major rulers of the 2nd largest economy in the world 7 times the size of Russia, or they can choose to return to a situation in which they control only their own economies that are roughly equal to that of Russia and are massive dwarfed by the US and China thereby essentially sidelining themselves from the big league of the world economies,

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