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Hobbyist Gives iPhone 7 the Headphone Jack We've Always Wanted (engadget.com)
intellitech shares a report from Engadget: For those of you who miss the iPhone headphone jack, you're definitely not alone. But Strange Parts creator Scotty Allen missed it so much that he decided to add one to his iPhone 7. He just posted a video of the project's entire saga, with all of its many ups and downs, and in the end he holds what he set out to create -- a current generation iPhone with a fully functional headphone jack. It turns out, real courage is adding the headphone jack back to the iPhone. The project took around 17 weeks to complete and throughout it Allen spent thousands of dollars on parts including multiple iPhones and screens and handfuls of lightning to headphone adaptors. Along the way, Allen bought a printer, a nice microscope and fancy tweezers. He had to design his own circuit boards, have a company manufacture multiple iterations of flexible circuit boards and at one point early on had to consult with a chip dealer that a friend hooked him up with.
The final product works by using a lightning to headphone adaptor that's incorporated into the internal structure of the phone. However, because the headphone jack is powered via the phone's lightning jack with a circuit board switching between the two depending on whether headphones or a charger are plugged into the phone, you can't actually listen to music and charge the phone at the same time.
The final product works by using a lightning to headphone adaptor that's incorporated into the internal structure of the phone. However, because the headphone jack is powered via the phone's lightning jack with a circuit board switching between the two depending on whether headphones or a charger are plugged into the phone, you can't actually listen to music and charge the phone at the same time.
all we have to do now is sit back and wait to hear that apple tracked down his phone id, then his phone, and bricked it for carrying out "unsanctioned" modifications...
Gain: tons of Youtube views and bragging rights for proving Apple was lying
Circumcision is child abuse.
Spending lots of bucks to get what you have for free in every other contemporary phone.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Holy $hit just show some photos of it FFS!
That vid goes for like 20min.
I give him an E for effort.
If I'm reading the summary correctly, this whole project merely created an internal version of the existing adapter. I'm sure a lot of difficult technical challenges were overcome, but so what, there'd be a lot of difficult technical challenges implanting a retractable microsd card into my pinky finger.
You crybabies will never stop whining about the lack of a headphone jack, will you? Grow up and by a different phone if it bothers you that much.
My Samsung has a wireless charger and a standard phone jack. Awesome camera too. As always: Fuck Apple.
Here's another brilliant guy with no common sense. Spending countless hours, and loads of money to basically come up with a lousy solution. Which isn't any better then just using the lightning adaptor in the first place. Personally if I wanted a headphone jack that bad, their are some really good Android phones or just buy a older iPhone that still has one? Why did the person buy a new iPhone knowing it did not have a jack? .....Idiot
Not to mention the lawsuit that will leave him broke and homeless.
You can already use $900 earphones that only have a Jack for input on an iPhone 7 using Apple's dongle that Apple bundles with the iPhone.
Anyone who buys $900 headphones and doesn't use an external DAC is an ignorant fool.
TFA's mod dissassembles Apple's Lightning-Jack adapter & reuses it's puny DAC, destroys the phon's resale value and STILL cannot be used while charging.
It's the playtime project of someone who has enough money to purchase & destroy multiple iPhones. It'd be easier and of better value to add a lightning port & a better quality DAC in the earphones.
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TFA's mod destroys the iPhone's water resistance, weakens it's Lightning jack and still cannot use the jack and recharge the phone at the same time.
As such it's piss-poor proof of anything.
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Well, if removing the headphone jack is *brave*, presumably putting it back is *cowardly*?
Either that, or Apple did a dumb thing and removed a commonly used port, confusing "Job's" decision to remove the floppy drive, long after it was redundant, with removing the port. As if they want to be Jobs and don't have a clue?
Perhaps they could do something radical like make a workable phone that's 3 inches high and slips into the tiniest of pockets and yet has an interface that makes it work? Just an idea for what to do next.
This wouldn't require any wires, for example being more convenient and preventing damage by pulling to hard on the plug.
Or is bluetooth something too standard for Apple to implement?
The problem of not being able to charge and listen to music hasn't been resolved... Just leave the iPhone official adapter connected to your headphone cable and you have the exact same solution as this idiot
The guy falsified Apple's claim that the iPhone 7 has no the headphone jack because there wasn't room inside.
His mod has weaknesses because he used off the shelf circuits; Apple would have used purpose-built circuits without his compromises.
Reading the ordeal and expense that is putting a microphone jack in an iPhone, I must say that now I understand the reason why Apple took it away. It's simply not worth it!
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Why not? Do you spend all your time only engaging in activities that purely benefit the entirety of mankind? Or do you sometimes do dumb stuff that doesn't really "help" but that you find enjoyable?
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TFA seems to confirm popular belief that Apple users don't care about how much it costs.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
Lose: Any warranty whatsoever, ability to listen while charging, lots o hard-earned cash
Gain: Ability to use a 5$ headphone
You forgot:
Barometric sensor
Water Resistance
Lose: Any warranty whatsoever
Who the fuck cares
Gain: Ability to use a 5$ headphone
Also gain: ability to use $900 headphone.
So what's your point?
You don't care about the warranty on a $1k purchase?
Liar. Or idiot.
There's another better solution.
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It's the playtime project of someone who has enough money to purchase & destroy multiple iPhones. It'd be easier and of better value to add a lightning port & a better quality DAC in the earphones.
This was my thought, kinda. Nothing really was accomplished by doing this mod as he was still using the crappy adapter to get audio, albeit dissembled and crammed into the case.
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Wow, stop whining and let people do what they want. Seems you're the only crybaby here.
Gain: tons of Youtube views and bragging rights for proving Apple was lying
But Apple WASN'T lying, you tool.!
He simply traded the barometric sensor and water resistance for the ability to avoid taping an INCLUDED adapter to his favorite headphones. Even if he wanted to have the choice of multiple headphones/earbuds for different occasions, an additional adapter or two would take care of that, too.
You can buy a LOT of $9 Lightning to 3.5 mm adapters for what this guy spent,must so he could THINK he was going neener neener neener to Apple.
Yeah. That is one logical and practical thinker, there. Apple should snap him up before the competition does!
I bet you own a bunch of Monster cables and vinyl because "they sound so much better and warmer than a CD or even a live performance".
Anybody who thinks an external DAC is somehow magically better than an internal DAC shouldn't be near audio equipment of any kind.
Here's a hint: A DAC is a DAC is a DAC.
he chooses to spend his time, considerable talent and energy on ?
NO wonder "nerd" is often a pejorative
If Apple had just included a dongle that could both charge and use normal headphones at the same time, it would suck to have to carry the dongle, but most of this would be beside the point.
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Nobody uses those anymore. What a ridiculous notion. Plenty of wireless headphones available.
Sad that people on Slashdot are mired in the past. Let me guess you still think LPs sound better too? Do your computers still use vacuum tubes? Does your main car still have a carburetor? I bet you're still watching a 4:3 CRT television right? Your fridge is just an icebox with no compressor?
Why don't we all just take the autogyro to Siam while we're at it.
Just don't buy an iPhone you iTard morons, problem solved!
Or you could, you know, just buy a phone with a headphone jack.
Why not? Because it's a total waste of manpower fixing something that never needed to be broken in the first place and rewarding the company that did it, rather than switching to phones by companies that didn't.
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oh bullshit. You really want me to believe that the 3.5mm jack can't possibly be waterproof?
You fool, you're proud that you're getting extorted for $9
> It's the playtime project of someone who has enough money to purchase & destroy multiple iPhones. It'd be easier and of better value to add a lightning port & a better quality DAC in the earphones.
Somehow, you managed to be modded "insightful" on slashdot, for shitting what is literally a geeks's-geek's-geek technology hobbyist project. I'm not really sure you are clear as to what slashdot is.
sheesh... you could have gotten your answer in the time it took you to post.
Unless complaining just to be heard in order to inflate your own ego was your objective all along.
It's ok, you could be president one day!
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Let's assume you're an Android user. Let's assume all future Android phones also remove the headphone jack per requirement of Google.
Would you also be a crybaby?
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Hard to take serious an adult how refers to himself as Scotty.
Well, yes and no. That's like say a 5% resistor DAC is the same as a 1% resistor DAC.
In IC DACs, there's differences in SNR, power noise, etc. Not all DACs are created equal and there's tons of variations in PCB design.
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How about a C for courage?
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Only if you like carrying a potential fire hasard on you. I prefer this much better solution.
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You may admire the artist who canned & sold his own shit, I don't.
TFA's project is of disappearingly little value as it doesn't correct the _one_ minor irritation point on the removal of the jack: charging and listening to music at the same time and has major financial & functional handicaps.
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You can already use $900 earphones that only have a Jack for input on an iPhone 7 using Apple's dongle that Apple bundles with the iPhone.
Hurrah Dongle!
Anyone who buys $900 headphones and doesn't use an external DAC is an ignorant fool.
Dumb comment. The modern integrated DAC chips have excellent performance. Beyond absolute trash sources in headphones 99% of the sound improvement is to be gained in the device producing the sound, in speaker setups less so as doing things with higher power is hard. Not to mention the idea of carrying around a DAC when people were critical enough of having to carry around a dongle is just plain stupid.
destroys the phon's resale value
Debatable.
You don't care about the warranty on a $1k purchase? Liar. Or idiot.
On a disposable device like a phone? Not at all. Hell when my last phone died on me I just threw it away and used another smartphone I had laying around for the 3 months until my contract expired. If I wanted it fixed I could have paid some Chinese dude $50 to fix it for me.
Or are you saying that you don't get a new phone every time it comes out? If so you really are a very fake Tim Cook.
I have musician friends who hook their phones up to multi-thousand dollar sound systems where the difference between Internal DACs and the iPhone dongle ones is flagrant. That's why they use external DACs you ignorant AC fool.
For an Anonymous Coward's ears like yours even the cheapest DAC is overkill. Just plug in your local 110/220 AC directly.
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The DAC in previous iPhones and in the Apple Lightning adapter is actually very good, it measures far beyond what's needed for audible transparency.
Eat the rich.
would rather see a micro sd slot added, now THAT add all sorts of functionality to an iphone , and would likely gets apples attention
Yeah just beware of their lawyers..
I think his main point was that apple can do it, but didn't did on purpose, as well, he can fucking do it.
Lose: Any warranty whatsoever, ability to listen while charging, lots o hard-earned cash Gain: Ability to use a 5$ headphone
By actually still using the adapter you got with the iPhone for free that allowed you to do that anyway.
I hope beyond hope by "threw it away" you mean recycled it.
Let's assume you're an Android user. Let's assume all future Android phones also remove the headphone jack per requirement of Google.
Would you also be a crybaby?
Well, there are no USB headphones, and there are few adapters. But when you use Android you are screwed anyways.
You can already use $900 earphones that only have a Jack for input on an iPhone 7 using Apple's dongle that Apple bundles with the iPhone.
Chances are you also need an adapter because $900 earphones don't come with a .25" connector, not a 3.5 mm.
Triggered? By this? Sad. People complaining vocally about consumer-hostile moves by companies isn't a bad thing. There's no reason Apple couldn't have included a (waterproof, even) headphone jack and their precious barometric vent in the same area of the phone. Might have raised the price by $5.
Are you serious? Oh how the mighty have fallen. This kind of maker thing used to epitomize slashdot.
Sure it's of no practical value, but the experience and sheer geek joy he got from the project are priceless. This is slashdot where we used to glory in cool hacks like this. Have you hacked a board together from breadboard prototype all the way through to finished, miniature circuit board? Pretty neat stuff. This modern age of makers and youtube blows me out of the water. There's something about making something that is satisfying and always educational.
I thoroughly enjoyed the video and it was neat to see how manufacturing of those circuit boards works.
Seriously good point. Every morning I get to work, plug in the phone power - straight usb micro to usb power port, plug in my headphones to the phone aux, and get to work.
I switched to android years ago. Why would I switch back?
But Apple WASN'T lying, you tool.!
He simply traded the barometric sensor and water resistance for the ability to avoid taping an INCLUDED adapter to his favorite headphones. Even if he wanted to have the choice of multiple headphones/earbuds for different occasions, an additional adapter or two would take care of that, too.
You can buy a LOT of $9 Lightning to 3.5 mm adapters for what this guy spent,must so he could THINK he was going neener neener neener to Apple.
THIS!!! Absolutely this! Also, after all his 'engineering', this is what he came up w/:
The final product works by using a lightning to headphone adaptor that's incorporated into the internal structure of the phone. However, because the headphone jack is powered via the phone's lightning jack with a circuit board switching between the two depending on whether headphones or a charger are plugged into the phone, you can't actually listen to music and charge the phone at the same time.
Wasn't that the main issue w/ the absence of a 3.5mm slot - that one couldn't charge and listen via a wired headphone/speaker at the same time? One still can't!
Or the other thing he could have done for a lot less money was buy an iPhone SE, or even an iPhone 6s/+, if the camera resolution and phone size were important to him
Who cares about the warranty when the first update by apple will slow down your phone anyways.
Spreading your typical bullshit. Either apple lied or they where out engineered by Samsung and every other company with a waterproof headphone jack. Actually in this case both statement are probably true. apple only wanted to sell their stupid looking iearpods and everyone knows it.
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Actually I don't even own headphones, I just thought I'd say that to piss everyone off some more.
I only listen to my phone through my car's stereo over Bluetooth.
Apparently the headphone jack on my OnePlus 3 is on the bottom. Just looked for it, and there it is, new, virgin. It will die a virgin.
While you'd still need either lightning headphones or a dongle to connect to regular headphones, you could then at least still listen while charging (plus you might even gain the ability to charge twice as fast if both lightning ports were plugged in at the same time, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some important logistical reasons why that wouldn't happen... I'm bringing it up only because I can imagne it as a possibility)
Without the ability to listen while charging , the mod is basically worthless. It saves only the difference in price between lightning headphones and a regular set, which is more than lost by the monetary investment of completing this mod.
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Hopefully he chopped it into a fine powder and dumped the powder in the headwaters of a stream in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. Lot of work, but worth it, just for people like yourself to get in a knot about.
Correction, the LAST update by Apple. They decide when that EOL update is rolled out for each model of gadget.
You can already use $900 earphones that only have a Jack for input on an iPhone 7 using Apple's dongle that Apple bundles with the iPhone.
Chances are you also need an adapter because $900 earphones don't come with a .25" connector, not a 3.5 mm.
Actually, that changed some time around the mid-1990s. These days, even recording-grade headphones use an 1/8" plug, not a 1/4". They come with an adapter to plug into all the equipment that uses 1/4". The reason for that change is robustness. As someone who has used adapters in both directions over the years, I would never touch any headphones that come with a 1/4" plug these days.
An 1/8" jack to 1/4" plug adapter puts a weak connector into a strong connector, and because it is easy to make a weak jack, you can make the adapter fragile so that if anything is going to break, it's the adapter. They bravely sacrifice themselves en masse to protect the equipment, and everybody just keeps a drawer full of spare adapters.
A 1/4" jack to 1/8" plug adapter is almost impossible to make fragile. The 1/4" plug can't fit inside the 1/8" plug, so the body of the adapter acts like a giant lever. And it's hard to make the plug part weak enough to not damage the jack when there's a giant lever attached like that. With those adapters, if anything is going to break, it's the 1/8" jack inside the device.
Worse, even if you did somehow manage to make a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter fragile enough to not destroy the gear, the weakest point would still be the 1/8" part of it, which means the tip would break off inside the device and would often be hard to remove. I quickly concluded that adapters in that direction, unless in the form of a cable, are more trouble than they're worth (and even cable-based adapters only help if the 1/4" plugs aren't L-shaped).
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Which sticks straight out of the darkening ("lightening") jack, preventing it from being practical to carry the phone in your pocket while using the donglekludge accessory.
For that amount of money he could have designed a Bluetooth enabled Otterbox type of case...with a headphone jack.
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A 3.5mm jack can *absolutely* be waterproof. My last two phones (a Sony Xperia Z2 and a Sony Xperia XZ Dual) both included waterproof, exposed 3.5mm jacks and I submerged both many times without any harm. So, too, does my Sony Xperia Z4 tablet, which I have submerged many times. (Most recently, I washed it under a tap two nights ago when a glass of wine over it.) The only reason Apple removed the jack was so it could force you to buy expensive new headphones, and take either a cut of (or all of) the profit from that, too.
Could somebody please tell me why the h*** a phone needs a barometer? Are people really going to be trying to tell the weather on the phone? Downloading the latest barometric pressure data for the nearest airport so they can crudely approximate their altitude?
It seems like a useless novelty toy in search of a reason for existing, and in exchange for that useless novelty, they removed something that a decent percentage of users use every day.
I just got an Android phone as my work phone, and I've started using it. I don't like it as much as I like my iPhone, but I can plug headphones into it. For people who do music editing in the field, watch TV shows during lunch, and various other activities, being able to have one set of headphones that seamlessly connects to multiple devices matters. A lot.
And if and when the Android vendors eventually follow Apple's lead and remove the headphone jack, I will have long since upgraded my MacBook Pro to a USB-C version, and I'll still be able to use a single pair of headphones with my Mac and an Android phone, whereas that will still not be true for my Mac and my iPhone.
For a company that supposedly designs their ecosystem to be highly interconnected, IMO, Apple screwed this up massively. They need to either ditch the stupid Lightning connector in favor of USB-C or they need to put a Lightning connector on Macs, and you can probably tell which one I think is a better idea from the way I worded that....
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What is "flagrant", is your grasp of language.
Your audiophiles with their setups are listening in a pristine environment and have trained their ears on hundreds of repeated listens to the same tracks to detect subtle variations in that
A. Do not represent "quality", but only difference from their own setup, which they assume is of the highest quality.
B. Simply do not matter in a typical listening environment.
The DAC in the iPhone dongle is good enough to drive a pair of Sennheiser HD 650s at high volume, converting from 48khz 24-bit lossless. Stick your audiophile friends in some random room and give them a double-blind test with those same headphones on their own amp and they WILL FAIL IT HALF THE TIME. I absolutely, 100-percent, GUARANTEE IT.
Here's a nice collection of similar studies done over the years:
https://www.head-fi.org/thread...
Your "musician friends" are just messing with you.
Bullshit. The only difference is the amp. You hook up a good external amp and there will be no problem. All a DAC does is digital to audio conversion, which is a pretty much perfected and inexpensive technology since the days of the original Covox.
Little kids like you don't understand the technology, just the brand name and price tag attached. Popular and expensive always means better in your mind. I'll let you get back to sorting your $1000 Denon ethernet cables now.
You can already use $900 earphones that only have a Jack for input on an iPhone 7 using Apple's bundled dongle
Hurrah Dongle!
Because using a free dongle is ___SUCH___ an enormous hardship that it merits destroying multiple iPhones to integrate it into an iPhone...
My dongle lives on the end of the headphone cable I use on the iPhone. No hardship.
ability to use $900 headphone.
Anyone who buys $900 headphones and doesn't use an external DAC is an ignorant fool.
Dumb comment.
Claiming (as you did) that it is impossible to use a $900 headphone on an iPhone because it lacks a jack is a Dumb comment because it is trivially proven false.
The modern integrated DAC chips have excellent performance. Beyond absolute trash sources in headphones 99% of the sound improvement is to be gained in the device producing the sound, in speaker setups less so as doing things with higher power is hard. Not to mention the idea of carrying around a DAC when people were critical enough of having to carry around a dongle is just plain stupid.
Phones have many exacting design/construction criteria but reduction of noise on the analogue outputs isn't generally one of their most important. Just plug one into a real sound system, turn up the sound and listen to the static. It's the reason my professional musician friends call all the integrated DACS in phones POS and there are excellent DACS for less than a tenth of $900. Thus anyone relying on phone DACS for something costing close to a grand should have spent their money on an external DAC.
destroys the phone's resale value
Debatable.
Yeah well you come on back and let us know when someone attempts to resell one of these FrankeniPhones so that we can tell but so far the resale value is $0
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The DAC is not the weakest link, your amp and drivers are.
...and then he gets mugged...
Because it's a total waste of manpower
Well, then, what are you doing here commenting on Slashdot? Why aren't you out curing cancer, you lazy git?
fixing something that never needed to be broken in the first place
That is rather exactly the guy's point, surely.
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No, it's like saying that expensive external sound card produces better quality PCM audio than the one built into your motherboard.
Except it doesn't. You might get some added side features having the expensive external card, but as far as playing an MP3, FLAC, WAV, etc., you won't get any better quality except in your imagination (Gotta justify the price after all).
Could somebody please tell me why the h*** a phone needs a barometer?
The barometric sensor also gives you altitude. For things like HealthKit, it's how the phone counts flights of stairs. It also gives the phone a way of knowing what floor you're on for location manager. GPS gives you this in the open, but the other positioning techniques used indoors don't.
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Could somebody please tell me why the h*** a phone needs a barometer? Are people really going to be trying to tell the weather on the phone?
People? No. But can you imagine the resale value of barometric maps as fine-grained as the net of iPhone users?
> Anyone who buys $900 headphones is an ignorant fool.
FTFY
Same goes for anyone who didn't realize Apple has been in the business of treating it own customers like ignorant marks since Steve Jobs founded them with the same vision he used to rip off his own business partner.
You forgot that the phone is no longer water proof.
So you are basically admitting that Apple makes inferior products compared to for example a Samsung phone, who has all the same thing that Apple has plus a stereo jack, wireless charging and USB charging that can be used while playing music using the jack. Oh and also they still manage to make their phones water resistant with stereo jack and all btw.
I said nothing about Apple v Samsung. I was commenting on the piece of 'Engineering' done by this guy. Usually, Engineers look for cost effective ways to improve a product in ways not available elsewhere: this guy blew thousands to make an iPhone 7 something like an iPhone 6 w/o actually achieving it. Anybody who wants what he wants should just shop for an iPhone 6s w/ the configurations similar to the 7 that one's targeting, and buy that. Only thing lacking might be camera resolution.
There are exceptions. I've had shitty onboard audio that sounded muddy and very noticeably weaker than even a cheap USB sound card. Some other laptops and boards I've had produced some quiet noises that sounded kind of like coil whine in their outputs. Others sound perfectly fine and I can't hear any difference between them and a hi-fi amp when using good IEMs.
Didn't they say there was no room for a headphone jack?
Did they only do it to give their up-coming Air Pods a sales boost?
Two assumptions makes you doubly an ass? You do know that android is not like iPhones and makers can choose to do whatever they want like adding physical or virtual buttons,so they are free to decide on keeping headphone jacks.
Tired of my customary (Score:1)
You push the assumptions of my argument aside to make them void. That's not how intelligent discussions work.
If you want an iPhone, you have no choice but to buy what Apple makes.
What if only Google made Android phones and also removed the headphone jack from their smartphones?
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I know I can hear the difference between my Mac mini's built-in headphone jack and a one-dollar-bought-on-eBay, made-in-China USB soundcard. Guess which one sounds better*?
* I'm 45, so take my "sound better" judgment with a grain of salt. It sounds better to me.
Hint: it's not the $600 computer built-in DAC.
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Has anyone ever noticed that all of these "Android is shit but here is no evidence whatsoever" posts are always from AC? It's literally every single time.
Just so you know, your argument is basically the exact same as the whole "PC vs Mac" debate has been for the last 20 years.. but for the PC side. "I don't care that it's shitty despite being an easily-solved problem. It's not that bad." Funny how the tables have turned.
First off, I would never own a $900 pair of headphones. But if I did, and I truly cared about using them, I'd probably take the gamble between probably being able to use both compared to definitely not being able to use one.
Should have saved his money and just drilled it out like this guy. https://youtu.be/2OyHmJz84og
This young man is doing God's work on Earth.
Would a far simpler solution be to find a phone that features a jack. If Apple do not make such a phone, then they lose a sale. This is how natural market forces are supposed to work.
It is very clever of this guy to hack on a jack, but he fed Apple money for multiple (destroyed) phones and any warranty is voided. Other than to prove a point, why? What is the purpose?
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USB ports on a macbook.
Entirely correct. A 3.5mm jack can be made waterproof, and the functions of the air-pressure balancing diaphragm built into the jack's molding. This shows that the decision to drop the jack was made late in the design process, and left empty space in the device. Nest phone will be designed from the start not to have the jack, and won't have that space.
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who cares, apple will use it, make it theres on all future models and bank!
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Some of us wont accept the compromises involved to use apple products
Yes there fucking are USB headphones. The Microsoft LifeChat product line is popular.
If it was under warranty, why not get it fixed for free? Your reply doesn't make sense.
Seriously? That's kind of insane. There are many possible ways to map your position in a building that will actually work reliably, such as proximity to wireless networks, Bluetooth devices, etc. Air pressure is not one of them. Not even remotely. Heck, even outdoors, air pressure isn't a very good way to measure altitude, because the pressure can shift drastically over the course of a day and over the course of fairly short distances, so you have to have a recent reference barometer reading from fairly close to where you are or else you can be off by hundreds or even thousands of feet. For example, during Hurricane Rita, the barometric pressure at sea level was equivalent to roughly what would normally be recorded at the top of Backbone Mountain (Maryland's highest peak).
Indoors, barometric pressure is complete crap. Air pressure inside a building is so highly variable that I would expect it to be nearly useless even under the best of circumstances. The air pressure inside a building is set by the inflow and outflow rates of the air handlers, and is thus not entirely dependent on altitude. In many commercial office buildings, opening a door can easily reduce pressure by half an inch of mercury or more, which is like being suddenly catapulted upwards by about five commercial-height stories. And the hardware engineers at Apple ought to know this. After all, unless they've fixed it recently, the air handlers in the Infinite Loop buildings produce positive pressure so intense that it frequently holds the exterior doors open for minutes at a time. I'd bet they see shifts of 10+ stories there.
So again, I ask, why the h*** does a phone need a barometer? SMH.
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17 weeks of his life and thousands of dollars?!
Golly Gee!
I didn't say it was under warranty. I said phones are disposable and just because they cost $600-1000 doesn't mean I'd shed a tear if it broke as I have spare phones just laying around, and when the contract is up I get a new one automagically anyway.
You must be fun at parties. I woudn't know though, I never go to them because they suck.
You are the idiot. The iPhone dac is very good. If you disagree, prove it with facts. DAC tech is very mature and you would have to purposefully screw up to make one with audible deficiencies.
If I was meant to recycle shit like that, then my city would have well known places where I could recycle them. They don't so I don't.
But that is not the case, what is the point of discussing something that won't happen?
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The latest feature list just came out for the iPhone 8 and seems to be only 2 years behind the latest Android. Your argument falls on the simple fact that their screens are so much larger than their predeceasing models. Yet did the feature list go up all that much? yeah it got a bigger screen and they forced you to use an adaptor and you got a better camera (all things sized the same) but other than that no not really. The space wasn't needed. No builtin guided lazers or iPhone "drone edition". Nada. Just the same old but a little bit better.
As for the the extra screen size this means bigger PCBs that can be made to sit behind the screen and therefore more components. For you to be right you'd have to consider how bad of a decision taking the jack out at such a late stage really is. Because since they're near the end of the process it also means most of the work has been done. Taking the Jack out wasn't posed with a viable trade (in laymens terms) and 90% of the people saw through it.
This guy has proven Apple could have done it and its still not enough for you. So I guess when Apple releases the iPhone with a custom port at the bottom that no other manufacturer uses you'll know why ... no wait ?!? didn't they already do that?
>> fully functional headphone jack
>> you can't actually listen to music and charge the phone
Nope.
It's not fully functionnal. It doesn't work when charging.
Just use Android.
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>> Let's assume all future Android phones also remove the headphone jack per requirement of Google.
Bad assumption.
It doesn't FORK that way.
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Apple don't seem too shy to create proprietary connectors.
Why not a magnetic headphone jack for their phones that's similar to the magsafe on their laptops?
This way they would need less interior space for a plug to intrude into the guts of the phone while making it easier and safer to connect your ear buds.
You don't care about the warranty on a $1k purchase? Liar. Or idiot.
On a disposable device like a phone? Not at all. Hell when my last phone died on me I just threw it away and used another smartphone I had laying around for the 3 months until my contract expired. If I wanted it fixed I could have paid some Chinese dude $50 to fix it for me.
Or are you saying that you don't get a new phone every time it comes out? If so you really are a very fake Tim Cook.
Nope. I am still rockin' a 6 Plus (with a cracked screen, no less! My prior (and first) iPhone was a 4s. I am waiting to see if the new phones are worth upgrading-to. So, it will either be this version, or the next, before I upgrade again.
BTW, my laptop is a 2012 non-retina MBP.
But if I had Tim Cook's money, I'd be on that Upgrade train, you betcha!
Could somebody please tell me why the h*** a phone needs a barometer? Are people really going to be trying to tell the weather on the phone? Downloading the latest barometric pressure data for the nearest airport so they can crudely approximate their altitude?
It seems like a useless novelty toy in search of a reason for existing, and in exchange for that useless novelty, they removed something that a decent percentage of users use every day.
Honestly, I don't know what smartphones use the baro sensor for; but they all (or mostly) seem to have them. And considering that they are a bit of a pain to use, there must be a legit reason for the added cost and development effort.
I just got an Android phone as my work phone, and I've started using it. I don't like it as much as I like my iPhone, but I can plug headphones into it. For people who do music editing in the field, watch TV shows during lunch, and various other activities, being able to have one set of headphones that seamlessly connects to multiple devices matters. A lot.
And if you do music editing in the field, watch TV shows during lunch, and various other activities, Apple has INCLUDED a short little adapter cable; so you plug in your phones just like always. And if you are worrying about losing it, additional adapters are only $9; so you can have a spare or two lying around.
And if and when the Android vendors eventually follow Apple's lead and remove the headphone jack, I will have long since upgraded my MacBook Pro to a USB-C version, and I'll still be able to use a single pair of headphones with my Mac and an Android phone, whereas that will still not be true for my Mac and my iPhone.
On this, we sort of agree. I would be very surprised if Apple doesn't switch to USB-C on the next iteration of iPhones. I believe the current devices were already in "Standards Testing" (so the hardware design had to be frozen), and gazillions of Lightning connectors were already on order, by the time that Apple even thought of changing the iPhone over to USB-C; and so this iteration just missed the boat. Happens.
For a company that supposedly designs their ecosystem to be highly interconnected, IMO, Apple screwed this up massively. They need to either ditch the stupid Lightning connector in favor of USB-C or they need to put a Lightning connector on Macs, and you can probably tell which one I think is a better idea from the way I worded that....
As I said, this was just the result of conflicting development cycles. It will work itself out. Apple is not dumb.
And remove it every time I plug those headphones into the laptop. It isn't the adapter that's the problem. It's the fact that my laptop won't take Lightning headphones, and my phone won't take real headphones. That completely unnecessary bifurcation is by far the most un-Apple-like experience I've seen since SJ returned in the 1990s.
Apple started rolling out USB-C on the MacBook in April of 2015, 17 months before the iPhone 7 came out. If the first time they thought about moving to USB-C was really in mid-2016, their management missed more than the boat. They missed the entire freaking ocean.
If it were one bad decision, I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but it isn't. It's an ever-growing string of serious product design mistakes. Since 2011, Apple has:
And on and on and on. At some point, all those seemingly small mistakes start to add up and take their toll on the Apple brand. There has always been something of a bubble of groupthink at Apple, but it seems to have gotten much, much worse over the past couple of years. Lately, the mistakes are much, much more obvious—the sorts of things that would have caused SJ to say, "We're not shipping this piece of s**t," followed by throwing the prototype across the room. These days, instead of being about hitting a quality bar like it used to be, it seems to be solely about hitting a target date. And IMO, that is why Apple's quality is slipping so badly. They really should have just skipped the iPhone 7 entirely and waited until they had something new and exciting. Instead, they shipped a meh product to hit an artificial deadline.
What should Apple do to fix their problems? Ditch the one-year release cadence. Forget about it. Figure out what you want to build, figure out how long it will take, and target that date. Try not to let it slip too much, but if it has to slip, let it slip. Better to be late than crap. Forget purchasing cycles, forget release cadences, forget all the Agile bulls**t that has been shoved down your throats since 2011, and make a promise to yourselves that you will ship a product only when it is fully baked, and no sooner. This is the one true path to quality.
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