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Tesla Temporarily Boosts Battery Capacity For Hurricane Irma (sfgate.com)

Slashdot reader mikeebbbd noticed this in the AP's Florida hurricane coverage: Electric car maker Tesla says it has temporarily increased the battery capacity of some of its cars to help drivers escaping Hurricane Irma. The electric car maker said the battery boost was applied to Model S and X cars in the Southeast. Some drivers only buy 60 or 70 kilowatt hours of battery capacity, but a software change will give them access to 75 kilowatt hours of battery life until Saturday. Depending on the model, that could let drivers travel about 40 more miles before they would need to recharge their cars.

Tesla said it made the change after a customer asked the company for help evacuating. The company said it's possible it will make similar changes in response to similar events in the future.

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  1. Uh huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe Tesla could just stop artificially crippling the batteries?

    1. Re: Uh huh... by BitterOak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The crippled betteries are sold under cost.

      The problem with that business model is eventually someone will figure out how to "jailbreak" their car and enhance the battery life without paying Tesla for the privilege. This will create all kinds of legal nightmares. Historically car owners have been allowed to "soup up their ride" (as long as the resulting vehicle is street legal), but with this new kind of business model that Tesla has, that could change. When you buy a car will there be an EULA that forbids making improvements? This could be a slippery slope.

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    2. Re:Uh huh... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You act like they're the first people to do this.

      The amount of people who do it doesn't make it right.

    3. Re: Uh huh... by dbialac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Go sign up for a cell phone service that doesn't force you into arbitration. Wait, there aren't any.

    4. Re:Uh huh... by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > If Tesla can sell the same hardware at different price points and still make a profit then the higher price point is simply profiteering.

      Is it? Is it really? Is it not possible that Tesla can sell that lower price point car at the price it can because the cost is partly offset by the full range buyers? By your logic if I made a thing that cost me $9 and I sold it for $10 partly limited in some way and fully open at $20 for the "high end" version that was unlimited, then on the high end model I am profiteering to the tune of $11 per unit and am a bad person and should probably be lined up against a wall or something. But what if I then shared that I sell 2500 $10 units a month and 300 $20 units a month, and my staff costs on top of the $9 material and build cost are $3000/month. So what's the solution? Market research has shown that if I have just the premium model as the only model and sell it for $12, I won't sell 2800 units a month any more, I'll be moving 1000 if I'm lucky. So I'm supposed to work for free? My investors are supposed to get nothing?

      Pricing in tiers like this is a highly complex subject and way more nuanced than "ZOMG - ripoff!" binary responses. There are some people who wouldn't have been able to afford a Tesla at all if the software limited battery pack wasn't an option, so it works to create more options for people. Same with iPhones for example. Apple could just make one size and say "$1000 on the table right now, or no iPhone for you." But they don't because they want additional market penetration across all classes of consumer.

    5. Re:Uh huh... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The battery comes with an 8-year warranty. If they discharge to 60%, then it will last for longer than if they discharge to 50%. Battery failures are not 100% predictable though, they're statistical. The extra 10% capacity translates to a higher probability that the battery will fail under warranty. The price of the increase is designed to compensate for this.

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  2. Batteries that aren't full-cycled last longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hello,

        With Lithium-Ion batteries, they last longer if you don't take them from 100% capacity to 0% capacity all the time. If instead you charge/discharge them from 80% to 40%, they last a lot longer.

        I think it's likely that Tesla limits the batteries for lifetime purposes. And that this temporary software change is trading a little battery life, for, well, maybe saving the life of the Tesla car owner by getting him out of dodge?

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    1. Re:Batteries that aren't full-cycled last longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't think the decision to get oneself out of dodge on the cost of some of the car's service life should belong to the owner and not to the manufacturer?

    2. Re:Batteries that aren't full-cycled last longer by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish we could leave it to the owner, but in USA, I'd expect owners to sue the manufacturer when the battery life comes up unexpectedly short because of the owner's abuse. Even if the lawsuits are frivolous, making such lawsuits go away becomes expensive. Given that, it seems prudent to me for the company to produce a device that works to some specific spec and the customer buys that specific spec rather than a device that the user can use how they want. Then if they jailbreak, they know they're voiding their warranty and any guarantees the manufacturer provided.

    3. Re:Batteries that aren't full-cycled last longer by uncqual · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mainframe manufacturers did this many decades ago. A different "boot" floppy on one mainframe I used would result in a substantially faster machine (of course, that floppy cost far more than the cost of manufacturing the floppy and the field engineers seemed really hard to bribe to "inadvertently leave the wrong floppy in the drive"). It was simply cheaper to give every machine the capability to run at the higher speed and "dumb it down" than it was to build two or more models and this manufacturer needed an array of models to compete at different price/performance points with IBM (who had baked enormous profits into every price point and, due to volume, could have more distinct model cost effectively).

      Another mainframe had a feature (I don't recall the exact mechanism to enable it) where we could speed it up for some number of hours for a fee to the manufacturer - no hardware change nor (IIRC) a need to load new firmware or reboot.

      I've not been around mainframes for 25+ years so I don't know, or care, if they still do this (I'm sure others here will know).

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  3. Re:That's disgusting by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's actually quite common for manufacturers to sell the same product at different price-points with different performance limits engineered in.

    Thank goodness none of the companies in the computer business do this.

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  4. Re:That's disgusting by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously they can afford to ship those batteries at the lower price point

    Why is that "obvious"? The people that pay a premium for extra capacity are subsidizing those who don't. That doesn't mean Tesla would make money on the batteries if no one paid the premium.

    My wife has a Tesla with a 240 mile range instead of the 300 mile range. That was our choice. No one "cheated" us. Whether it is more cost effective for Tesla to make two different battery configurations, or to make one with a artificial limit, is their choice. Neither option is more "moral" than the other.

  5. Re:Before jumping to conclusions by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might not be quite so simple as a pure money grab on Tesla's part. Many battery designs will last longer if you don't cycle them quite a deeply and if capacity does diminish but still is greater than what you paid for you'll never know and Tesla does not have to replace it.

    Given they grantee the batteries for a period of the time the extra cost for the 'higher capacity' version might essentially be what amounts to a pre-paid insurance policy for the battery by actuarial spreading the cost of the increased likelihood the batters used at higher capacity will need replacing under warranty among the buyers of the higher capacity.

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  6. Not necessarily by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The proof is the fact that they did it.

    Not really--suppose they are not turning enough of a profit on the cheaper model to justify turning out the line. Then the cheaper model lets them increase economies of scale and also make the car available to more people (driving down the production cost of the more expensive model and possibly its cost if the external market forces are right), while the more expensive model pays enough to justify having the line and gives you an economy of scale to knock down the price of the cheap model a bit. If you sold just the expensive model to everyone it might then need to be at a higher price point than the cheaper model, which would make it unavailable to people who would otherwise be able to buy the cheap one and reduce the number of consumers able to purchase the car.

    Or suppose that they could sell the cheap one with a cheaper battery at the same price point, but by including the bigger battery they make it cheaper to produce due to economies of scale. The customer is still getting the cheaper car but with it being easier to upgrade than it otherwise would be, and the company is producing it more inexpensively. Because of the easy upgrade, the customer actually has a benefit as compared to if the company had decided to sell it with 100% control of a smaller battery.

    I understand the urge to hate companies that introduce unnecessary structural monopolies into the marketplace and are unnecessarily hostile to the right to repair or the right to fully control your own property--but just because a decision sets off our radar about that doesn't mean the decision is necessarily harmful to consumers.

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  7. Re:Before jumping to conclusions by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is done on basically every piece of test equipment with optional features.
    What's the difference between a Rigol 1054Z 50MHz DSO and the 1104Z 100MHz model?

    One costs $399 and the other costs $619.
    The physical hardware that provides the bandwidth is identical. There is switch in the front-end to lower the bandwidth controlled by software. Doing this means the hardware costs more, but they can sell it at difference price points to get a larger market.
    They offer software upgrades to increase the memory depth as well.

    No to mention extra upgrades to unlock protocol decoding.

  8. Re:But you paid for the battery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    You car is carrying battery weight it does not need and cannot use

    The unused extra capacity increases the life of the battery. So it is not useless.