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The Washington Post Pans Apple-Sponsored School Reform TV Special (washingtonpost.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader theodp writes: On Friday night, the Big Four Networks simultaneously aired EIF Presents: XQ Super School Live [YouTube], a commercial-free, one-hour TV special that championed Laurene Powell Jobs' mission to rethink the American high school. The closing credits listed Jobs as an Executive Producer, and noted that the chock-full-of-celebrities special was sponsored in part by her Emerson Collective and Apple.

"Surely Samuel L. Jackson, Tom Hanks, Mahershala Ali, Justin Timberlake, Cate Blanchett and a bevy of other celebrities have nothing but laudable intentions by appearing on Friday night's live televised high school reform spectacular on four -- count them, four -- major networks (NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox)," writes the Washington Post's Valerie Strauss. "But when an hour of prime time on four networks is purchased, it's fair to ask whether that is a public service or propaganda."

The Post points out gently that "not everyone believes" in the need to "transform" high schools, while theodp notes "viewers were pitched XQ Super School Board Program kits, which XQ's website explains are designed to prepare individuals for a school board candidacy."

If this seems suspiciously political -- or at least a way to ensure schools are friendly to Laurene Powell Jobs' specific proposals -- the nonprofit's web site adds reassuringly that "XQ won't be endorsing or supporting particular candidates; we'll be supporting all candidates who stand with us in a shared commitment to rethink high school, so all young people can be educated as they deserve."

162 comments

  1. Times have changed by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was on the four major broadcast networks (sorry, CW) - yet how many of us had no idea it was happening? This Slashdot submission was the first I'd heard of it, in any case...

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    1. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same here.

      That said, who still listens to the WaPo? Hearing them complain about something being too political or propaganda made my irony meter explode.

    2. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like all advertising they are targeting there audience, without wanting to go to much into sterotypes I would suspect those that frequent sites like this would be mostly outside that target audience.

    3. Re:Times have changed by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I'm sure that's true... but, back in the "old days" when network TV still ruled the roost, (and most other people, I suspect)I would almost certainly have been aware of this sort of "special" even if I had no interest in watching it.

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    4. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, if people gave a flying fuck about celebrities' opinions on issues then Hillary would probably be president.

    5. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention Fox News among the thuth-tellers. They're "fair and balanced", says so right on the tin.

    6. Re: Times have changed by sound+vision · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the people didn't give a fuck about what celebrities thought, they wouldn't have put one in the white House.

    7. Re:Times have changed by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      This was on the four major broadcast networks (sorry, CW) - yet how many of us had no idea it was happening

      I think that probably answers your own question. How many people still get broadcast TV? I have a means to get it, but I never use it.

    8. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      says the douchebag with the uid "93 Escort Wagon"

      You're a fucking troll.

    9. Re:Times have changed by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I heard about it a bit earlier, frankly it should have been banned from broadcast. Jobs'-ex-wife entire bit is making school more lovey-feely and dropping all the STEM courses (you know, the stuff you actually need to do anything of use for society.)

    10. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats what I come to slashdot for, hearing anonymous know-it-alls criticize people who actually do something noble with their riches.

    11. Re:Times have changed by lys1123 · · Score: 2

      This was on the four major broadcast networks (sorry, CW) - yet how many of us had no idea it was happening? This Slashdot submission was the first I'd heard of it, in any case...

      Yes, but one thing you have to think about is target demographics. The people who participate in running for school board (or even voting for school board members for that matter) tend to be older and more likely to still be watching prime time network TV than your average Slashdot reader.

    12. Re:Times have changed by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      This was on the four major broadcast networks (sorry, CW) - yet how many of us had no idea it was happening? This Slashdot submission was the first I'd heard of it, in any case...

      I guess friday night football and Irma trumped this?

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    13. Re: Times have changed by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the people didn't give a fuck about what celebrities thought, they wouldn't have put one in the white House.

      You weren't paying attention. The vast majority of high-profile celebrities (from the music, TV/Film, fashion, sports, and wider entertainment spectrum) breathlessly instructed you to vote for their chosen celebrity (Hillary Clinton), and poured the huge resources of their visibility, their shows, their concerts, and their social media machinery into making sure that their designated queen get the power to which she felt so entitled. And despite that enormously lopsided media environment, their celebrity-ness utterly failed to get her into office. It also didn't prevent the Democrats from having lost nearly a thousand legislative seats, most of the governorships, both houses of congress, and millions of two-time Obama voters who turned their backs on all of that celebrity finger-wagging and condescending lecturing and mockery, and decided that Clinton was exactly the corrupt, lying incompetent that she has demonstrated herself to be. Almost the entire celebrity industrial complex was denied the results they demanded.

      You couldn't have it more backwards.

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    14. Re:Times have changed by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Who doesn't get the giggles when you see that "Democracy dies in darkness" masthead slogan? LOL. As if they're on the side of the people or something? The deplorables? A laughable concept. Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' personal blog.

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    15. Re:Times have changed by Megane · · Score: 1

      The only reason I even knew about it was from checking the schedule on my MythTV. I figured if it was on multiple networks at the same time and I had no idea what was (like a speech, disaster coverage, etc.), it would be trash. Seems I was right.

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    16. Re:Times have changed by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      I was shocked they published the article but the article was correct. The "event" was blatant propaganda.

    17. Re: Times have changed by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You meant to say what the media covers because celebrities endorsed Hillary Clinton, or was that another chapter in Clinton's book, "the celebrities that didn't endorse me and cost me the election."

    18. Re:Times have changed by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Me too. Does anybody have a link to a simplified list of proposals? There's nothing specific on their website, only a bunch of liberal insanity.

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    19. Re:Times have changed by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Swing and a miss. Still get broadcast TV??? You do realize that NBC, CBC, ABC, and Fox are all carried on cable and are prominently displayed in their channel lineup, and have internet sites. Not too mention if you cut the cord, you would resort to broadcast tv to watch tv because it's free.

      Moron.

    20. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Like all advertising they are targeting there audience

      Here here!

    21. Re: Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real patriots prefer RT, eh comrade?

    22. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not too mention if you cut the cord, you would resort to broadcast tv to watch tv because it's free.

      Moron.

      Well, cutting the cord generally just refers to cancelling cable TV.
      Most people who say they "cut the cord" are watching shows over streaming services.
      I can't imagine anyone would resort to watching broadcast TV.

      Also what's with the name calling? Are you twelve?

    23. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who doesn't get the giggles when you see that "Democracy dies in darkness" masthead slogan? LOL. As if they're on the side of the people or something? The deplorables? A laughable concept. Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' personal blog.

      And who would have guessed that Bezo's has his own Neoliberal Education Reforms plans?

    24. Re: Times have changed by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      Oh, I was paying attention. If some random Republican started saying the things Trump did, that random Republican would not have been elected. Star power and cult-of-personality were huge factors. The entire mythology of his lIfe and similar leeches on society. He didn't need endorsements because he has all that himself. But if you want to gauge how effective the "celebrity-industrial complex" (lol) was in the election, more people actually did pull the lever for Hilary. In case you weren't paying attention.

  2. Same old message... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    ...since the Reagan administration's propaganda publication, "A Nation at Risk." All conclusions point towards privatising education despite the fact that private K-12 education has a lousy track record. Now with Betsy DeVos in charge, it's time for corporations to pitch their strategies to her and hope she likes them.

    1. Re:Same old message... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No private schools do very well compared to public schools. The problem has been with "for profit" education, which has trouble meeting all the various demands a school must meet before they are shut down by regulators. It takes a long time to get a school up to snuff and for profits don't have that kind of time.

    2. Re: Same old message... by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      Private schools do better because the rich parents pay to send their kids there, and poverty makes it harder to learn things.

      If public schools didn't rely on local property taxes for funding, you'd see them do a lot better.

  3. It's an old troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This style of troll has been around for years, so it's actually low-effort copy-pasta with maybe a few extra bits added from time-to-time. Think of it as a really shitty open source project. I thought Slashdot was auto-banning all N-word posts because of this very troll; but maybe they backed out of censoring things lately. So. It's back.

  4. Jeff Bezos pans apple!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wonder how Jeff Bezos owning the Washington Post and Apple competitor Amazon figured in on the WP panning an Apple sponsored event.

    1. Re:Jeff Bezos pans apple!? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Wonder how Jeff Bezos owning the Washington Post and Apple competitor Amazon figured in on the WP panning an Apple sponsored event.

      This time it has less to do with Amazon than Bezos' own competing School Reform plans.

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  5. Excerpt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "A combination of Alexa-enabled Kindles and Echos by Amazon would serve the children very well instead of anything made by Apple."

    -WP

  6. Early education more important by willy_me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Improvements to high school are fine - but they are not of that much importance. If America is ever going to achieve racial equality, quality early childhood education is required for all. When a child is behind their piers by a year or two it becomes almost impossible to catch up.

    Children of parents that are financially secure are often enrolled in programs where they are taught to read, are exposed to more language, and perform activities designed to stimulate intellect. So while poor parents can find no time to spend with their children, wealthy parents are giving their kids a head start. It has been shown that this head start stays with them all the way to adulthood. Social mobility is reduced - the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich, one generation after the other.

    Racial inequality will exist so long as racial stereotypes can be statistically validated. Without social mobility, historically poor racial groups with remain poor and the stereotypes will continue. It is a never ending circle - a horrible circle which human nature will ensure persists. Those that think we can change human nature are horribly naive. But we do have control of social mobility in the form of early childhood education.

    Providing more early education will lead to breaking the circle which will invalidate the stereotypes and finally end all of this hatred. Education is the only thing we have control of so we should start there.

    1. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a child is behind their piers by a year or two it becomes almost impossible to catch up.

      Well maybe they should be at school with their peers rather than spending a couple of years down at the waterfront behind their piers?

    2. Re:Early education more important by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Racial inequality will exist so long as racial stereotypes can be statistically validated.

      I'm not sure what you mean. Is this a bad thing that we can correlate things like intelligence to genetics? Racial inequality exists because we define a person as a race and not a person. If people want to see racial inequality disappear then, IMHO at least, we should stop asking for race on applications to university and jobs.

      Providing more early education will lead to breaking the circle which will invalidate the stereotypes and finally end all of this hatred. Education is the only thing we have control of so we should start there.

      Education to stop the hatred would be a great idea. Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease. The germ theory wasn't established then. European colonists certainly did a lot of horrible things. What they also did was end the practice in India of throwing the surviving wife onto the funeral fire of her dead husband. White men didn't "invent" slavery, they ended it.

      It's the white male that is continually shit upon in the USA. We'll have Black History Month. We'll see Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the USA. There's quite a list of months for celebrating "diversity". Where's my month?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I say ending the hatred is a very good idea. As a white male living today I have never owned slaves. As someone with Germanic ancestry it's quite likely my ancestors were slaves. The word "slave" comes from "slav", as in the people were often taken as slaves by the Moors. Don't teach children that only one skin color were slaves and that only one skin color owned them. Be honest to your children. Everyone on Earth today has slavery in their history. The debts on that was wiped clean many times over with war, healing, and time. We need to remember it happened as a warning to not do it again.

      I find it odd about the tearing down of Civil War monuments. These people don't want to forget the Civil War. If they did then the race based politics starts to disappear. What is really happening is the Democrats wanting to rewrite history by taking down the statues of prominent Democrat leaders. They want people to forget the rascist past of the Democrat Party.

      Do people really want that clean break from the horrors of slavery? Then we need to break free from the Democrat Party. We can start by getting the Democrats out of our schools.

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    3. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease. The germ theory wasn't established then.

      From what I hear, the origin was a joke some British officer/governor/bureaucrat wrote to some other person.

      Word verification: differer

    4. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racial inequality will exist so long as racial stereotypes can be statistically validated.

      Damn that Darwin! Upending all those Tabula Rasa philosophers and "All Men Are Created Equated Equal" creationists with his fancy schmancy "evolution". At least he'd have been less of a racist if he clarified that it only works from the "neck down".

    5. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SHUT UP YOU RACIST! I bet you don't send your cat to school and try to teach it to read purely because it differs genetically from you. I DID. It failed but I can tell everyone I TRIED and be proud of myself and stuff.

      Look at how proud and noble I am! While the rest of you racist fucks were being racist, I sent my black cat to school and then when they tried to flunk it, I went there threatening with my lawyer BECAUSE I CARE. Now it got an A in everything and via affirmative action, is going to Harvard Medical School even if it scored hundreds lower in the SATs and such.

      Email me if you want Mr Fritters to give you a physical at discount.

    6. Re:Early education more important by gallondr00nk · · Score: 2, Funny

      When a child is behind their piers by a year or two it becomes almost impossible to catch up.

      They end up completely out at sea.

    7. Re:Early education more important by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      When a child is behind their piers by a year or two it becomes almost impossible to catch up.

      Yeah, when a (presumed) College graduate can't spell "peers" correctly, it'll be hard for him/her/it to catch up with said peers...

      Or were you talking about people living down by the docks? If so, never mind....

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    8. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You really need to pay attention.

      A number of years ago our federal government got sold a new method of teaching reading to kids - sight words. This method of teaching was designed to bridge the gap between "poor" kids and "rich" kids ability to read. It does this by eliminating the focus on phonics (sounding words out, and how sounds relate to character combinations) and instead having the kids completely memorize small words. If you show your kid the word "brain" and they say "banana", this is what's going on. When they look at words, they either know them or they don't, they don't try to sound them out, they are taught to simply take a guess and everyone around them will help correct them if necessary and maybe they will get it next time. They are being evaluated by how many out of say 200 words they get memorized through the end of the school year.

      Our education system was able to ensure that poor kids could read at a level much more closer to rich kids by effectively not teaching kids how to read anymore. Instead of trying to bring some kids up, they brought them all way down. We are ending up with a bunch of stories like http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/schools-dont-teach-kids-to-read/ that are getting buried in the news.

      Be careful what you wish for.

      As a parent of a 7 year old having to teach my kid to read myself, I'm pretty damn sure Grey's Law applies here, rather than Hanlon's Razor. At the moment, the kids that are getting ahead are the ones that a) are going to private schools early on (that voucher nonsense? last year when I figured this out, I began to actually start thinking they might have some merit...), b) have parents who actually identify that this is going on, and c) have parents who have the capabilities to do something about it. All the other kids are absolutely being left behind. This failure of our system of education is absolutely unprecedented, and it's all the more horrifying when you understand that the basis of further learning is dependent completely on competent reading skills.

      Thank you federal government, for doing your best to make sure that when we fail, we all fail together.

    9. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not sure what you mean. Is this a bad thing that we can correlate things like intelligence to genetics?

      Can you? Which genes? What do they have with the genes that are contributing to the factors that identify as race?

      Racial inequality exists because we define a person as a race and not a person.

      Nope. Racial inequality exists because inequality exists in a manner that correlates with race.

      If people want to see racial inequality disappear then, IMHO at least, we should stop asking for race on applications to university and jobs.

      Well, that's stupid, because just because you can't see something since you closed your eyes (ironic name there), doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

      Education to stop the hatred would be a great idea.

      Good idea. Why don't you go through the collection of text books and find some examples of white supremacy that was being taught?

      Why is it your primary example is such a bad one?

      Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease.

      Who was it then? They wrote letters, it's documented.

      The germ theory wasn't established then.

      And yet people had been aware for CENTURIES that disease could be spread by materials associated with the infected. You can find it documented in Arabian and Greek and Chinese medical texts.

      European colonists certainly did a lot of horrible things.

      Yes, and you want to hide it. Deny it. Cover it with a thin veneer of lies.

      What they also did was end the practice in India of throwing the surviving wife onto the funeral fire of her dead husband.

      Along with numerous massacres as part of their imperialism. But you, you want to champion and white knight your heroes, your white, British, heroes. A practice, Sati, that was far far far rarer than the deaths of orphans in the streets, of the elderly, from neglect and disease, or from injuries resulting in from the abusive means that the British employed in their economic exploitation systems.

      White men didn't "invent" slavery, they ended it.

      After a few centuries of systematically taking millions of people into bondage, trying to conquer the world, all in the name of their own sanctimonious bullshit.

      Gosh, I guess we'll have to completely fail to mention that, because it hurts your feelings.

      It's the white male that is continually shit upon in the USA.

      Is that why Congress is around 80 Percent White and Male? Why judges across the country are so frequently white and male? Why governors, state legislators, mayors, and CEOs are so frequently white and male?

      We'll have Black History Month.

      Yes, and do you know its origins? Because they noticed the copious absence of any mention of their history in the works of the time.

      We'll see Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the USA.

      The horrors of people celebrating

    10. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words public school education has failed, public school teachers unions are guilty for keeping black kids in poor schools, administrators take most of the funds for themselves to pay their fat salaries, and politicians don't care as long as they keep the tax revenues flowing.

      We spend four times more per student than we did 40 years ago corrected for inflation, and yet the outcomes are the same. Yep that pretty much sums up the state of public education in America. It fails like all big government programs fail though political infighting, graft, corruption, unions, and generally leftist BS ideology infecting the whole system.

    11. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can certify that I do not have slavery at any point in my family's history. Now, wholesale slaughter of entire towns, torture, cannibalism are another matter, but we always knew were to draw the line.

    12. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So in other words public school education has failed, public school teachers unions are guilty for keeping black kids in poor schools, administrators take most of the funds for themselves to pay their fat salaries, and politicians don't care as long as they keep the tax revenues flowing.

      Nope, Public school education has been set up to fail, teacher's unions are blamed for failures, and administrators are finding ways to enrich themselves as they exploit the perception of fails. Politicians don't care as long as the campaign donations keep flowing.

      They especially like the donations to set up charter schools and give tuition to religious schools, and for more testing programs.

      We spend four times more per student than we did 40 years ago corrected for inflation, and yet the outcomes are the same. Yep that pretty much sums up the state of public education in America.

      Not really, no. We actually spend less on student's education, you're just confusing the numbers because you're taking the overall budget, and not realizing how much of the costs is not being properly accounted. Some of it is benign, such as the spending on the disabled. It used to come out of the health department, or the parents. Now? Oops. Then there's the food. School meals are a cost, and you're counting them. But we also have a lot spent on testing. Interminable pointless testing that has never produced a good result. And athletic programs. I'm all for good health, but let's face it, another football stadium won't do it.

      Not to mention you're failing to account for the funding sources. How much of schools are funded out of state taxes, versus local property taxes? And what's with this lottery business...

      It fails like all big government programs fail though political infighting, graft, corruption, unions, and generally leftist BS ideology infecting the whole system.

      Nope, it's actually the right-wing BS ideology infecting your perceptions so you blame unions, leftism, and try to inflict upon us a system that enriches private corruption, graft, and continue the infighting in order to prevent improvements. You see, public schools aren't big government. They're small. You want to know who runs your local school? It ain't a DC bureaucracy. It may not even be a state capitol one. It's the local petty board in your city or county or whatever division you have.

      Even in DC, that's the case. And you can bet that the Republican Congress wants the local DC schools to fail. They don't send their children there.

      You want to fix things? Make legislators send their children to low-performing schools.

      It's ok though, I understand you want to repeat your narrative, much like Blindseer already did. But hey, at least you aren't so openly espousing the grievances of the poor, victimized, white male.

      However, when you honestly look at it, you can't even claim that there is a comparative measurement over those four decades that is available, so you're really just arguing what you want to believe, not what you can independently and objectively demonstrate.

         

    13. Re:Early education more important by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      When a child is tied to the piers for a year or two, it becomes almost impossible to catch up.

      ftfy

    14. Re: Early education more important by macsimcon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hey white-privileged snowflake: there's no such thing as the Democrat Party. Did you mean the Democratic Party?

      Maybe it's time for YOU to get some schooling so you won't appear to be such an ignorant rube.

    15. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children of parents that are financially secure are often enrolled in programs where they are taught to read,

      No, children of parents who are financially secure learn to read at home. They come to school knowing how to read, because their parents read to them and then with them. A child who learns to read at school is a child who already lags behind his peers with better parents.

      A large part of the reason that poor families remain poor and rich families rich generation upon generation is this early childhood education that takes place inside the home, where parents, to whom the child's early respect and love naturally gravitates, teach behaviors that the child will take up because of that respect and love. If the parent teaches reading, the child will read. If the parent teaches indolence and ignorance, the child will watch television the rest of his life. A teacher, however, does not have the same emotional influence over a child, nor does a teacher have as much contact or as early contact with a child as a parent.

      Inequality will exist so long as there are good and bad parents.

    16. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, and as a slav myself I often feel "outraged" by the ignorance of the masses here in the States. Having escaped Communism only to face rampant fucking racism of affirmative action in tech is beyond the pale! Oh what's that your ancestors were slaves for 200 years? Well boo-hoo-hoo, my ancestors were peasants for 1000 years.

    17. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White men like myself need to take our belts off and whip these white boys stupid. If it quacks like a racist, it's a racist.

      The REAL problem in this country is the "I got mine, fuck you" attitude that screws over EVERYONE including these sad wittle white boys.

      "blindseer", is that your WoW character or something?

    18. Re:Early education more important by rhazz · · Score: 1

      White men didn't "invent" slavery, they ended it.

      This single quote shows that your head is so far up your own ass that it is amazing you even know the color of your own skin.

    19. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Is this a bad thing that we can correlate things like intelligence to genetics?

      Sometimes, because it is not a guarantee. We should assess intelligence with tests of intelligence. The SAT is not such a test.

      > Where's my month?

      You don't need one because you are not disadvantaged. The whole point of having things like black history month, pride parades, and so on, is because these are groups of people who are severely disadvantaged.

      > I find it odd about the tearing down of Civil War monuments.

      I don't. I find it odd that anyone celebrates the life of traitors who brought the country to its knees over slavery. Britain has a good way of celebrating traitors, by burning their effigies once a year.

      > They want people to forget the rascist past of the Democrat Party.

      Maybe, but that's largely irrelevant now because nazis don't vote for Democrats, they vote for Republicans. The parties have switched roles entirely for reasons that I don't fully know.

    20. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point - and good question.

      *** Where was slavery invented? ***

    21. Re:Early education more important by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Slavery was there long before such a thing as "white men" even existed.
      But they certainly did NOT end it; slavery never really stopped in central Africa.

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    22. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you consider that these laws and benchmarks are written by people who have gone through private schools, have children or grandchildren in those same private schools, one has to wonder whether stories like this are a matter of politicians trying to help everyone, or help set their own above and apart from the rest... planting the roots of the caste system in America.

    23. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Providing more early education will lead to breaking the circle which will invalidate the stereotypes and finally end all of this hatred.

      ROTFLMFAO.

      More "early education" (i.e.taxpayer funded day care) might be worthwhile. The idea that it will bring about the end of racial hatred is laughable.

    24. Re:Early education more important by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find it odd about the tearing down of Civil War monuments. These people don't want to forget the Civil War. If they did then the race based politics starts to disappear. What is really happening is the Democrats wanting to rewrite history by taking down the statues of prominent Democrat leaders. They want people to forget the rascist past of the Democrat Party.

      The Civil War monuments were mostly erected a half-century or more after the Civil War, about the time that Jim Crow laws were enacted in the South. Conclude from that what you wish, but why are they celebrating the traitorous, ugly, losing side in the Civil War and not the winning side? After almost every other war, it is the winning side that is honored.

      The argument that taking them down would erase history is absurd. Why are there no monuments in the South celebrating the Union side? That is the history we should be remembering. I see the Confederate monuments as symbols of the slavery they wish they could still have. I've wondered that since I was a kid raised in North Carolina (and no one had a good answer), long before the current media focus on them. I can see how blacks could find these monuments unsettling.

      Would you support replacing the Confederate monuments with ones that celebrate the winning side and the end of slavery? If not, why not?

    25. Re:Early education more important by gibbsjoh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Fuck right off. If you're a white hetero male then every day is your day. I say this as one myself - we don't need a day because, fuck me, we don't need to struggle for anything as a population group. Man, whiny people who are part of the establishment (whether they see it or not) really annoy me. Pipe down!

      Stop obfuscating the role that Europeans / European Americans had in the slave trade. A machine has many parts, sure, but you're making a false equivalence.

      The statues thing - the term "these people" - wtf? Also no one is trying to rewrite history. People are, quite rightly, saying that monuments to specific people who did specific horrible things be removed. I've no problem with that, not sure why you do.

      Back under your rock you go.

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    26. Re:Early education more important by hey! · · Score: 1

      Is this a bad thing that we can correlate things like intelligence to genetics?

      Sure, but what does that have to do with race? Race is a naive folk hypothesis that purports to explain the geographic distribution of certain sets of superficial phenotype characteristics. As a scientific concept it fell apart as soon as we were able to actually look at people's genotypes.

      There's this notion that the US will become a majority minority nation by 2044. Except, as one demographer I've read pointed out, by the one-drop standards used to reach that conclusion it's already happened. After 2044 the US will continue to be majority white because a majority of people will self-identify as white, regardless of their geographic heritage.

      If people want to see racial inequality disappear then, IMHO at least, we should stop asking for race on applications to university and jobs.

      Well, I think you could make a philosophical case for not asking, but I find it extremely unlikely that racial inequality would simply disappear. Whiteness and blackness is an identity, and identities have proven to be extremely durable social constructs once established in the public mind.

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    27. Re:Early education more important by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Check my tagline - then educate yourself about slavery in America. And then look where it still happens today.

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    28. Re:Early education more important by larryjoe · · Score: 2

      Racial inequality exists because we define a person as a race and not a person. If people want to see racial inequality disappear then, IMHO at least, we should stop asking for race on applications to university and jobs.

      If the problem's existence is based on human perception, then ignoring the problem may indeed make it go away. However, if there are endemic economic causes, then ignoring the problem or ceasing to ask questions about it simply makes diagnoses disappear, but the actual problems will be perpetuated.

      Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease. The germ theory wasn't established then.

      This is a diversionary strawman. I doubt that the colonial Europeans in North America were so technologically advanced to intentionally wage biological warfare. However, their ignorance doesn't eliminate culpability or the effects of the unintentional germ warfare.

      White men didn't "invent" slavery, they ended it.

      I'm not sure who held the first patent on slavery, but it doesn't really matter. In terms of slavery in the Western Hemisphere, white people nurtured slavery into a massive economic and social system. Of course, white people also ended slavery, because ending slavery through slave revolts is extremely rare.

    29. Re:Early education more important by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      "Spending on schools" doesn't mean a damn thing. It's cultural, beginning and ending in the household. Why doesn't a single mom have the time to make sure her kid is studying and learning things? Because she's a single mom. Why? For many reasons, but mostly for having chosen to have a kid without the involvement of a father that gives a damn. When 70+% of a given demographic is born and raised in an environment where they have effectively no parental involvement, what on earth do you think that throwing more cash at failing schools is going to do to improve matters? Places like DC spend well over $10k per student per year, with far inferior results compared to other jurisdictions that spend half that. Why? Local culture. Period. It's not about the cash. A certain amount is required to provide the facilities, staff, and materials required. But when the kid's home culture is hostile to education and dismissive of the parent's role in creating a useful human being, that money - or three times that much money - is wasted.

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    30. Re:Early education more important by rhazz · · Score: 1

      To clarify - I don't know who invented slavery, and I don't think it is relevant at all, especially to assign it to a race. However the claim that white men ended slavery is so ridiculous and conceited it is appalling.

    31. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me keeping up the statues is not about celebrating the actions of traitors, its about reminding the nation about the traitors, all of whom were members of the same political party, the Democrats, who are now trying to erase their culpability for the almost 100 years of Jim Crow, right up to and including the delay of the Civil Rights Act for years just so a Republican administration wouldn't be credited with its passing.
      Add to that the continued imposed victimhood the party continues to impose on people of color, using divisiveness for political purposes.
      Nazis probably don't vote, any more than a lot of left wing supporters don't vote.
      The parties haven't switched roles. The Democrats continue to do everything they can to make educational dysfunctional, extend multi-generational government dependence, and practice divisive politics. The cities they lead are dysfunctional, with high crime rates, horrible murder rates and failing school systems. Just like they've done for the last 100 years or more.

    32. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its you who have been fooled, AC. Public schools, while not directly controlled by the federal government are indeed unduly influenced by them. What do you think the Department of Education is for? How much money does the Federal Government contribute? At least 10%. Now that might not sound like much but it has a great enough effect that schools which should release children for weather events hold them until after lunch, even if that is more dangerous because they won't get money for that day unless they serve lunch.
      It's enough so that schools follow Federal guidelines and such unproven and in many cases unproductive standardized testing programs.
      It also does not count school lunches. When some news story says a particular jurisdiction spends $8000 per student or $10,000 per student it doesn't count lunches, nor does that 10% count money from the Department of Agriculture, that is provide school lunches for kids because their parents spend their the money they already get from the government for WIC on cigarettes and booze.
      I'd be very careful about criticizing Republicans for not sending their kids to DC schools when our previous president, a democrat, not only failed to send his kids to DC public schools, but killed a program that let DC kids go to the private school he sent his kids to. Guess he didn't want his daughters associating with poor black kids.
      You want to solve the school problem? Admit that schools are supplemental to what children learn at home. If their home environment is not supportive of their development nothing a school can do that is a cookie cutter process is going to be useful for them.
      That means that outcomes won't be the same for everyone. Welcome to the real world. That doesn't mean write them off. It does mean you'll have to spend way more on some kids than others. It also means that in some instances you'll have to start putting the screws to some parents and for others actually take their kids away. If you truly care more about the children, who had no say about who their parents are, than the parents, who made the bad decisions that screwed up their own lives and now potentially their kids then you'll make the had decisions. And expect that sometimes the wrong decision will be made. That's how life works.
      However insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Certainly throwing more money at public schools comes under that heading.

    33. Re:Early education more important by Megane · · Score: 1

      We'll see Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the USA.

      You do realize that Cinco de Mayo is roughly the Mexican equivalent of St. Patrick's day, right? The difference is they drove out the French rather than snakes. It's a big day for parties and drinking beer. Diez y Seis is the Mexican independence day.

      At least if you're going to complain about something, complain about the right something, like cities renaming streets in honor of liberal heartthrob Cesar Chavez, because they think of him as the black MLK.

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    34. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its you who have been fooled, AC. Public schools, while not directly controlled by the federal government are indeed unduly influenced by them.

      Nope, they aren't, there's hardly any influence at all. Not through Common Core either, state-based creation that it was.

      What do you think the Department of Education is for?

      Not running schools. In fact, the schools run by the Federal Government are those in DC, certain Indian Reservations (though most such schools are run by Tribal governments), and overseas for State Department and Military dependents.

      How much money does the Federal Government contribute? At least 10%. Now that might not sound like much but it has a great enough effect that schools which should release children for weather events hold them until after lunch, even if that is more dangerous because they won't get money for that day unless they serve lunch.

      Gosh, what a terrible thing that is, serving kids lunch instead of sending them home without anything to eat and an unspecified weather event that could leave them home without supervision! How dare they not just send the kids home without any supper!

      It's enough so that schools follow Federal guidelines and such unproven and in many cases unproductive standardized testing programs.

      Oh sorry, those "unproven and in many cases unproductive standardized testing programs" are a state-based initiative, and don't come from the US Department of Education, or even the States, but private companies out for their own profits.

      Feel free to blame them, as you should.

      It also does not count school lunches. When some news story says a particular jurisdiction spends $8000 per student or $10,000 per student it doesn't count lunches,

      So you say. Now prove it. In each and every case. Oh wait, you can't? Huh. Sorry, but the fact is, those spending amounts don't break things down very well, the media reporting is shallow and lacking in context.

      Such is not limited to reporting on schooling, of course.

      nor does that 10% count money from the Department of Agriculture, that is provide school lunches for kids because their parents spend their the money they already get from the government for WIC on cigarettes and booze.

      Sorry, but the reason the government stopped supplying meals to the poor was because private companies (aka grocery stores) wanted a cut. That's also why "junk food" is still covered.

      I'd be very careful about criticizing Republicans for not sending their kids to DC schools when our previous president, a democrat, not only failed to send his kids to DC public schools, but killed a program that let DC kids go to the private school he sent his kids to. Guess he didn't want his daughters associating with poor black kids.

      Oh noes, Obama, himself a regular attendee of private schools in his youth is dah terrible! How horrific. Here's a piece of advice: He ain't in office anymore, so you can't blame him for every little problem you have.

      I personally consider him Republican-Lite. Or Republican-tan, if you want to get me in a snarky mood. It showed in the Affordable Care Act, it showed in his general approach to governance and the presidency.

      I consider him significantly less insane than the current blight in the Oval Office, but don't confuse that with unvarnished approval. So no, I don't need to be careful, I've lambasted him for his failings already.

      Now that he's going on the speaking circuit though, you can't use him very much yourself, especially not to ignore the demonstrated failings of the Republican legislators across the country. Especially in DC. They don't care about the population of the District, that's drive-past country for them.

      You want to solve the school problem?

      I'd start with identifying

    35. Re:Early education more important by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So the Civil War wasn't fought to end slavery? 300,000 white men died so the slaves could be free. The Royal Navy put an end to the slave trade on the high seas.

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    36. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triggered much?

      You make a lot of assumptions about the commenters thoughts, opinions, and ideology.

      As far as racial inequality, anybody can put in the work to achieve their goals regardless of race. I grew up in a city that became increasingly poor and violent, with awful, outdated schools. I succeeded through hard work and dedication. There was no "white privilege" where I lived, in fact, being white put you at a disadvantage if anything. I was a minority, often disrespected and called derogatory terms. Many of the teachers and staff at my high school were incredibly disrespectful to white students. Looking back now, it was a very interesting experience, given the narrative pushed today of white privilege, and how "reverse racism" isn't possible.

      All in all though, it doesn't matter, these things can't truly stop anyone except the weak and ignorant for moving forward and living a good life. I'm not denying that things couldn't be better, but were at a point where only the weak and foolish truly believe, or let the hate and ignorance of another hold them back. I'm not the least bit bitter about my experience. Why waste the time or energy pondering others hate and ignorance?

      We'll I didn't intend to write all this, but here I am. It seems that the people who decry white privilege are those who are themselves the most privileged, and are blind to how others experiences can be vastly different.

    37. Re: Early education more important by OhPlz · · Score: 2

      The party that sunk Bernie so they could run their choice of candidate, and not the choice of those voting in the primary? It may be a party of democrats, but it's not a democratic party.

    38. Re:Early education more important by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Racial inequality will exist so long as racial stereotypes can be statistically validated.

      I'm not sure what you mean. Is this a bad thing that we can correlate things like intelligence to genetics?

      Yes because no such causal link exists.

      Racial inequality exists because we define a person as a race and not a person.

      Actually, it's far more about economics than it is about race, race got mixed in due to racism. Poor areas have a tendency to get less funding for education than rich areas. If we balanced it out, within a generation you would be getting similar outcomes.

      If people want to see racial inequality disappear then, IMHO at least, we should stop asking for race on applications to university and jobs.

      I agree. Universities shouldn't be looking for "racial diversity" they should be looking for "economic diversity".

      Education to stop the hatred would be a great idea. Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease. The germ theory wasn't established then.

      At least in my education, the term "white man" was never mentioned. However, they did spread disease via contaminated blankets. I'm not implying it's out of malice, I'm just stating that is how it happened.

      European colonists certainly did a lot of horrible things.

      Yes, far more than they get credit for.

      What they also did was end the practice in India of throwing the surviving wife onto the funeral fire of her dead husband.

      Interesting... but that's about the history of India which is not a topic in High School history classes.

      White men didn't "invent" slavery, they ended it.

      They did neither and I've never heard anyone claim either inside a school setting.

      It's the white male that is continually shit upon in the USA.

      We'll have Black History Month. We'll see Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the USA. There's quite a list of months for celebrating "diversity". Where's my month?

      Seriously? That's what you are concerned about? You want a month? Please grow a pair.

      Don't teach children that only one skin color were slaves and that only one skin color owned them.

      Never heard such a claim in school. In fact, I remember learning quite clearly that the slaves in Egypt built the pyramids.

      Everyone on Earth today has slavery in their history. The debts on that was wiped clean many times over with war, healing, and time.

      There was war and there was time but I don't think any real healing happened after the US civil war. If it did, why were races segregated until the 1970s?

      We need to remember it happened as a warning to not do it again.

      I find it odd about the tearing down of Civil War monuments. These people don't want to forget the Civil War.

      There's only been one that was actually torn down. The reason it was torn down was because it could not be moved despite what the locals wanted because the state has laws that prohibit moving them.

      What is really happening is the Democrats wanting to rewrite history by taking down the statues of prominent Democrat leaders. They want people to forget the rascist past of the Democrat Party.

      That's hilarious because it's always republicans that omit one critical fact, all the racist Democrats (aka Dixiecrats) were so pissed off about integration that they changed parties and became Republicans. Republicans used to be the liberal party and Democrats used to be conservatives. To put it simply, racists have always been part of the conservative party.

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    39. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Spending on schools" doesn't mean a damn thing.

      If you meant that it was a useless pithy phase with no real value, I'd agree with you, however, that is not your intent.

      It's cultural, beginning and ending in the household.

      Oh, which culture is that?

      Why doesn't a single mom have the time to make sure her kid is studying and learning things? Because she's a single mom. Why?

      So you aren't actually examining why the single mother is not able to spend her time doing what you want. You're just expressing a tautology. What are these single mothers doing?

      For many reasons, but mostly for having chosen to have a kid without the involvement of a father that gives a damn. When 70+% of a given demographic is born and raised in an environment where they have effectively no parental involvement, what on earth do you think that throwing more cash at failing schools is going to do to improve matters?

      I'm surprised you didn't say half-a-dozen kids, but I am not surprised you resorted to declaring "throwing more cash at failing schools" which is a useless rhetorical phrase that tries to obscure how people actually have real proposals for school reform.

      Even the people who suggest throwing money at 'succeeding' schools as a form of reward.

      Places like DC spend well over $10k per student per year, with far inferior results compared to other jurisdictions that spend half that. Why? Local culture. Period.

      OK, what local culture does DC have, and how does it compare to the failing schools in Alabama, California, Texas, Florida, Indiana, Wisconsin, New York and elsewhere?

      It's not about the cash. A certain amount is required to provide the facilities, staff, and materials required.

      Actually, it is a highly variable amount that makes any blind assertions about spending such as yours to be fallacious.

       

      But when the kid's home culture is hostile to education and dismissive of the parent's role in creating a useful human being, that money - or three times that much money - is wasted.

      Which home culture is that ScentCone? Your only specific example is DC, a jurisdiction under the explicit control of Congress, which is made up of individuals across the nation, so why are they failing to act to ensure DC schools are performing well? Were so many Congressional members subjected to this culture you castigate? Did you mean to say American culture is the problem?

    40. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triggered much?

      Ah, you upset that I know Blindseer so very well that I could demolish his facile arguments with a few well-aimed shots at his shoddy logic and infantile reasoning?

      You make a lot of assumptions about the commenters thoughts, opinions, and ideology.

      Nope, I've observed a lot of the commentator's thoughts, opinions and ideology. You can do it too. Heck, you can observe a LOT of people, there's a slew of people's thinking out there to read.

      As far as racial inequality, anybody can put in the work to achieve their goals regardless of race.

      Careful, you're treading on the belief that since somebody didn't achieve their goals, they obviously didn't put in the work, that they are the one at fault, that they are the failure.

      That's a very dangerous mindset, and prone to dismissing the different experiences others can undergo.

      I grew up in a city that became increasingly poor and violent, with awful, outdated schools. I succeeded through hard work and dedication.

      And? Is it possible you would have done better without a city that was increasingly poor, and violent, and that didn't have awful, outdated schools? Or should we not look into what happened in your city(whichever one it was), and trying to avoid that sort of thing?

      There was no "white privilege" where I lived, in fact, being white put you at a disadvantage if anything.

      So you believe, but there's literally tens of millions of whites that did not live where you are, and got significant advantages from that too. There's also tens of millions of non-whites who were and are at a disadvantage.

      I was a minority, often disrespected and called derogatory terms. Many of the teachers and staff at my high school were incredibly disrespectful to white students. Looking back now, it was a very interesting experience, given the narrative pushed today of white privilege, and how "reverse racism" isn't possible.

      Actually, looking at your words now, you apparently believe that that "racism" existed, so my question is why you aren't also admitting that other forms of racism are prevalent across the country? Maybe you should look at the high schools of today, or the disrespectful manner you can find, or the derogatory terms that are common.

      That said, the arguments over "reverse racism" may be a bit different than you realize. Often people misuse that term, as you did, because you aren't talking about "reverse racism" as you're taking about racism towards you for being white. That isn't what people always mean by "reverse racism" as their meaning is rather different.

      All in all though, it doesn't matter, these things can't truly stop anyone except the weak and ignorant for moving forward and living a good life.

      Oh, I thought you were treading on that path, and yep, I was right, just a few sentences away.

      I'm not denying that things couldn't be better, but were at a point where only the weak and foolish truly believe, or let the hate and ignorance of another hold them back.

      Like I said, you're seeking the chance to dismiss the experiences of others, and find a way to blame them. Talk about a headlong leap.

      I'm not the least bit bitter about my experience.

      You sure sound bitter to me. Just in one single post. If you don't want to sound bitter, you may want to reconsider your approach. A person who isn't bitter, wouldn't say what you did.

      Why waste the time or energy pondering others hate and ignorance?

      Why is it a waste to try to think about what others say and do? Even if it is a terrible thing, why not understand it?

      We'll I didn't intend to write all this, but here I am.

      Indeed you are. Now instead of being bitter

    41. Re:Early education more important by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you're saying. But here's the real problem: You need to change Hearts and Minds on a universal scale to really make these things happen, and you can't legislate changes to Hearts and Minds. It's been tried, and we've seen that it failed miserably; all the 'equal rights initiatives' that have existed for the last 50 years accomplished nothing other than driving racism, sexism, bigotry, and other flavors of irrational hatred underground, and now with someone like Trump in the Whitehouse, who has emboldened various hate groups, they're all coming out of the woodwork now. Sadly, it may take hundreds of years, or maybe thousands of years of human biological evolution before we somehow overcome whatever flaw it is in our brains that creates these sorts of attitudes.

      Remember USENET? Remember how they always used to say, that if you posted something on USENET, it was immortal? There'd always be a copy of it somewhere? That's the sort of problem we're faced with on a subject like this: other than evolving out of it, you'd have to erase ideas like racism, sexism, bigotry, discrimination, etc, from every living human mind, every printed page, every information storage system, and so on, SIMULTANEOUSLY, to stamp it out completely. It's impossible.

    42. Re:Early education more important by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      I don't think it was on purpose- but there's a reason there was a malaria epidemic in the Oregon territory in 1830, at a time when very few of the natives had ever visited the tropics.

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    43. Re:Early education more important by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Identity politics is racism. Erase identity from the social constructs, and you will erase racism permanently.

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    44. Re:Early education more important by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Uh, not really. White people were the customers. Islamics are the ones who made the money off the slave trade- and still are in sub-Sahara Africa.

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    45. Re:Early education more important by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Would you support replacing the Confederate monuments with ones that celebrate the winning side and the end of slavery? If not, why not?

      We should not tear down the Confederate monuments, for the same reason we don't burn books. We can learn from our mistakes, destroying evidence of our history can mean being doomed to repeat it.

      A Confederate monument doesn't have to be a "celebration" of the how things used to be. Germany keeps their reminders of past wars, I've seen them. Perhaps instead of tearing them down we put a sign in front of them that reads, "Never again."
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

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    46. Re:Early education more important by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      Even with a greater investment in early education, children from educated families will always have a leg up on their peers. There are also the problems of school funding being local (thereby ensuring that wealthy neighborhoods have better funded schools), but overall we spend enough on schools to expect better results.

      I think it's easy to point out the problems in education but finding solutions is difficult. Your solution seems to be "provide more early education." That sounds great, but how do you execute such a task? Throwing money at such things rarely seems to work. If we keep the overall structure of education the same and just provide it with more resources, students overall may benefit, but students who have educated parents will still have such a great advantage over their peers that a disparity will still exist.

      The only solution I've seen that seems to have real promise is to eliminate organizing classrooms by age. When I was in high school, there were low level classes that worked on adding and subtracting. Those are elementary skills but the school system did everything they could to avoid holding children back. We want kids graduated or out of the school system come the age of 18 no matter what. A better system would be to have a certain level of mastery required for kids to graduate, and they graduate at whatever age they achieve that mastery. Not all twelve year old kids are at the same level academically yet we lump them all in the same grade.

      Racial inequality is certainly a problem in the U.S. and our poor education system only contributes to this problem, as you rightly point out. But we need more creative solutions than to "provide more early education." We need to provide better education, and that begins with rethinking the paradigm our education system is based upon.

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    47. Re:Early education more important by larryjoe · · Score: 2

      Uh, not really. White people were the customers. Islamics are the ones who made the money off the slave trade- and still are in sub-Sahara Africa.

      This is mostly incorrect. Africans, including mostly non-Muslim Africans, captures slaves who were then sold to European slave traders. The traders transported the slaves to the Western Hemisphere and sold them to the eventual slave owners. The vast majority of the money made off the slave trade and slave economy went into white hands.

    48. Re:Early education more important by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I don't see how anything you propose would improve the education system. While I don't agree with the OP's suggestion that an ambiguous improvement of early education will be some magic remedy for racism and racial inequality, I find it odd that your reaction to his suggestion is to rant about how unfairly the white man has been treated.

      Furthermore, I don't believe children are taught that only black people were ever slaves. But it wouldn't be incorrect to teach them that only black people were legally enslaved in the United States. I would also contend that the "debts" of that enslavement were certainly not "wiped clean many times over with war, healing, and time." We've made a lot of progress in the latter half of the twentieth century and in the twenty-first century, but we have yet to arrive at a point where it isn't advantageous to be born white and disadvantageous to be born black in the United States.

      Basically, despite your faux indignation and claim of victimhood, you're just being racist.

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    49. Re:Early education more important by rhazz · · Score: 1

      So the Civil War wasn't fought to end slavery?

      Not disputed.

      300,000 white men died so the slaves could be free.

      And how many white men died fighting to keep slavery? You can't give credit to "white men" for one thing and not the other. Or maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be attributing the accomplishments of specific groups of people to an entire race.

      The Royal Navy put an end to the slave trade on the high seas.

      Yes, after they stopped being part of the slave trade themselves for the previous 150 years. I'd say they owed it to the world. And while it was great that it was stopped, that doesn't mean we should applaud "white men" generally as having accomplished this.

    50. Re:Early education more important by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      The problem is that they are not considered as warnings or reminders by most southerners. The confederate flag-wavers even have ceremonies honoring their Civil War "heroes". I don't think that a bunch of swastika flag-wavers in Germany praising Nazi heroes would be tolerated.

      That is a good idea, though. I would consider "Never again" signs a reasonable compromise. But somehow I think they would be considered almost sacrilegious by a lot of southerners and repeatedly torn down. Hatred and illogic plagues these people, who seem to need to feel superior to blacks to compensate for their own lack of education and other shortcomings.

    51. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's too chickenshit to say it, but you know what he's talking about. It's the *coloreds*, and those greasy mexicans swarming across the border

    52. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice to know that we have an early childhood education expert here on slashdot to correct all those experts involved in determining curriculum policy.

    53. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should not tear down the Confederate monuments, for the same reason we don't burn books.

      Because composting is a better option? If you want to recycle the metal go ahead, and turn the stone to concrete or whatever.

      We can learn from our mistakes, destroying evidence of our history can mean being doomed to repeat it.

      These monuments are not evidence of our history, they are deceptions about it.

      A Confederate monument doesn't have to be a "celebration" of the how things used to be.

      These are. You can read the commemorative remarks and statements. See Stone Mountain for example. It is written right on the charter.

      Germany keeps their reminders of past wars, I've seen them. Perhaps instead of tearing them down we put a sign in front of them that reads, "Never again."

      Dachau is not a monument erected by Nazis. Feel free to keep up Andersonville and the monument to the innocent victims murdered by Nathan Bedford Forrest.

      Actual Confederate monuments are another story, like many Nazi monuments and edifices. Go see Spandau Prison. Demolished. ReichsparteitagsgelÃnde is no more. Swastikas and statues of Hitler were destroyed.

      But feel free to force the State of Georgia to put a Never Again sign on Stone Mountain.

    54. Re: Early education more important by macsimcon · · Score: 1

      That's right. Republican voters got the populist candidate they wanted, and Democratic voters were denied the candidate they wanted.

      I think Keith Ellison understands that Democrats don't want any more centrist Obamas and Hillaries, they want progressives like Bernie. I'm not sure Tom Perez understands that yet.

    55. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preach!

    56. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many white men died fighting to keep slavery? You can't give credit to "white men" for one thing and not the other. Or maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be attributing the accomplishments of specific groups of people to an entire race.

      And yet this is exactly what you and the rabid left does. You blame all white people for slavery, but don't extend any credit for ending it. You angrily refuse to discuss the GPs point, since it doesn't match your narrative - However the claim that white men ended slavery is so ridiculous and conceited it is appalling. , you say, even though it's exactly what happened.
       
      Despite the fact that it's whites that have led the fight and that have sacrificed their lives for the black people freedom, black activists (and white alt-leftists) never thank them for the hundreds of thousands that died to free the slaves. Instead, I have seen countless black activists (and alt-leftists) blaming all whites indiscriminately, teaching children that all whites are racists, asking all whites for compensation. This has became part of black culture, and it's a major factor of divisiveness in today's America. Your fanaticism is also part of the problem.

    57. Re:Early education more important by Xylantiel · · Score: 2

      You appear to have a terribly warped view of the role of sight words in reading and more generally of language and reading development. Just because kids of a certain level should have certain sight words does not mean that they never use phonetics. It is actually a completely natural part of reading development to guess at words sometimes instead of sounding them out. Sight words are simply part of how reading works. If you think adults read by sounding out every word you are mistaken. Adults are simply more experienced at recognizing which words are sight words that they know.

      If your child is really being taught as you claim, which I find unlikely but possible, you should complain about the professional development of your local teachers, not about the national standards, because they are doing it totally wrong. I have found that sometimes private schools are even worse about this kind of thing because they are even more likely to cater to parents like you who do not know what you are talking about.

      And on your last point, a lot of people complain about modern standards when in reality the problem was always there, it's just now the standards are so precise and well-validated that there is no way around acknowledging it. If the kid's weren't learning sight words before, they weren't learning how to read because that is how reading works. And of course kids with parents who "really care" are going to do better. That's basically a tautology. If all other kids are failing then the school system is failing and *always has been*.

    58. Re: Early education more important by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      How did this useless assortment of white-boy talking points get modded up?

      "Um where's MY month" is old and tired in highschool.

    59. Re:Early education more important by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Schools teach both and whichever they start with is largely irrelevant.
      I have 6 kids, 4 have learned how to read, the fifth is in kindergarten and on is only 2. They all learned site words first and probably read way better then you do. Honor roll, advanced classes, etc...
      Site words work, phonics works, kids all learn different and the mark of a great school / teacher is adaptability. We can't always have great, so parents have to step up and find out what works for their kids.

      You probably learned simple math through memorization, it works just as well for simple common words.
      I know I never bothered to memorize the simple math, because I was a lazy kid and thought I already knew how to do math, but I saw how much it benefited the kids around me. Now, I've long since memorized them, but it really hurt me as a kid to have to do 7*6 by doing 7*5 and counting up seven. Memorizing would have been better.
      Like this, most "sight" words are difficult to sound out and common enough they should be quickly recognized.

    60. Re:Early education more important by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I thought Idiocracy (2006) was supposed to be a political satire comedy not a documentary? :-/

    61. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet this is exactly what you and the rabid left does. You blame all white people for slavery, but don't extend any credit for ending it. You angrily refuse to discuss the GPs point, since it doesn't match your narrative - However the claim that white men ended slavery is so ridiculous and conceited it is appalling. , you say, even though it's exactly what happened.

      It really is not, it is a conceited, arrogant argument that is as bad as claiming that whites spread civilization, enlightenment and peace. And factually dishonest since many whites fought to preserve slavery, and others such as the rioters in New York City rioted to avoid fighting in Lincoln's War, and bitterly attacked blacks for stealing their jobs.

      Despite the fact that it's whites that have led the fight and that have sacrificed their lives for the black people freedom, black activists (and white alt-leftists) never thank them for the hundreds of thousands that died to free the slaves. Instead, I have seen countless black activists (and alt-leftists) blaming all whites indiscriminately, teaching children that all whites are racists, asking all whites for compensation. This has became part of black culture, and it's a major factor of divisiveness in today's America. Your fanaticism is also part of the problem.

      Or maybe yours? Because I have seen a lot of people who declare, indiscriminately, that black activists and leftist SJWs are doing a variety of things that are malignant. I remember how BLM was soundly declared to be a domestic terrorist organization, and how the KKK has been defended as a reaction to Northern Aggressions.

      And I have seen many people declare that African Americans should be grateful for being brought in bondage to this country. That they should thank their white slave masters.

      It is part of a certain Southern culture that seeks to defend its transgressions.

    62. Re: Early education more important by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      He's too chickenshit to say it, but you know what he's talking about. It's the *coloreds*, and those greasy mexicans swarming across the borde

      Wow, you're a racist, aren't you.

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    63. Re:Early education more important by Miamicoastguard · · Score: 0

      You win. Enjoy this moment.

    64. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh somebody, whose name might be Stinkbone, thinks we forgot it his words we're talking about.

      Unfortunately for Stinkbone, unlike yours, our "culture" does not encourage pathetic mendacity, and instead supports examining the fraudulent practices of the individuals who seek to advance a deceitful narrative such as yours.

      See, we know you are a chickenshit slimeweasel, so you just confirm the story about you.

    65. Re:Early education more important by hey! · · Score: 1

      Identity politics is racism. Erase identity from the social constructs...

      Well, then. Easy-peasy.

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    66. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're a racist, aren't you.

      No, you are... Race baiting is what you do here. You're not fooling anybody... You're just another Trump voting redneck cracker trying to start trouble with your drive-by trash talk.

    67. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is not about what Germany Tolerates. America is supposed to be about freedom. People can think whatever they want. Why does your opinion have to be enforced on everyone else?

      Blacks have all their statues and the media has been taken over pushing black history and degenerate black art forms and multiculturalism while everything white is expected to be forcibly diversified and torn down and ethnically cleansed. White people can't have anything.

      Why can't other people think outside of your box. Everyone must be forced to have your opinion. Did it ever occur to you that, statistically, white people might be superior to blacks? And that no one is allowed to talk about it or research it. You seem to be filled with your own prejudices and superior thinking as well. White people who disagree with you are nothing but uneducated haters, etc. Ad hominem.

    68. Re: Early education more important by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Your only specific example is DC, a jurisdiction under the explicit control of Congress

      No, congress does not run the DC school board or the DC school system. Which you know, though you're implying they do so you can cravenly dodge the substance of the matter. Nice attempt to avoid the reality of the situation. I cite DC because YOU, along with me, get to pay for a large portion of that very high per-student expense and its historically awful per-student results. Shall we examine the exact same problem in Baltimore, or Detroit, or Chicago?All cities run for decades, of course, by liberal Democrats. That contributes to the problem, but the root of it is the historically recent collapse of the family unit in the worst of those environments. It's simply become unfashionable to father a child and stick around to provide any sort of support, let alone help in getting educated and in forming a constructive world view when the kid's young and still malleable that way.

      The examples of this problem are well studied, well known, and obvious to anyone who can momentarily open their eyes and pay attention. But because it's become politically incorrect to identify a kid's parents as the most important part of what shapes their character, their curiosity, their sense of discipline and all of the other features that allow them to actually make something out of being at school ... we end up with people like you who will do anything to change the topic while whining like little anonymous bitches about it. Where'd you learn the lazy, juvenile, completely ineffective rhetorical distraction technique - at a bad school, or in a home where there wasn't an adult helping you to see how transparently obvious it is?

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    69. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now now, this is SlinkScone, he's definitely fooling himself.

      Who knew he was talking about himself the whole time? Who knew?

    70. Re: Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixed your shoddy misquote. Kinda obvious that you'd prefer to misleadingly edit a post, instead of honestly and affirmatively address it, but no reason to let it slide:

      Which home culture is that ScentCone? Your only specific example is DC, a jurisdiction under the explicit control of Congress, which is made up of individuals across the nation, so why are they failing to act to ensure DC schools are performing well? Were so many Congressional members subjected to this culture you castigate? Did you mean to say American culture is the problem?

      No, congress does not run the DC school board or the DC school system. Which you know, though you're implying they do so you can cravenly dodge the substance of the matter. Nice attempt to avoid the reality of the situation.

      Nope, Congress does have authority over DC, including the school board, as the Constitution explicitly states:

      To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.

      You know this, and can't argue it, but want to cravenly deflect the issue and avoid the reality of the situation. Congress could fix any problems in DC schools, if they wanted. They have the legal authority to do so. Your precious GOP has a majority in both houses, and the presidency. Why aren't they fixing it?

      I cite DC because YOU, along with me, get to pay for a large portion of that very high per-student expense and its historically awful per-student results.

      Nope, you didn't cite that as your reason, and it's not true, since DC actually pays more in federal taxes than 22 states, and a higher per capita rate, and receives less federal funding for its schools than many states.

      Oh sure, you could argue that all DC taxes are federal taxes, but that's due to it being a federal entity empowered by the US Constitution. No escaping that one.

      Shall we examine the exact same problem in Baltimore, or Detroit, or Chicago?All cities run for decades, of course, by liberal Democrats.

      You may forget, but as I asked, what local culture does DC have, and how does it compare to the failing schools in Alabama, California, Texas, Florida, Indiana, Wisconsin, New York and elsewhere? They have failing schools, and no, they aren't universally run by liberal Democrats. For example, try this information. And in fact, in many states, like Tennessee, the schools are ultimately under state supervision, not a city government, so focusing on the city itself can be misleading.

      In fact, as you've claimed in your posts, Republicans are in charge all over the place. So why haven't they fixed anything yet? Why can't they managed to be the shining city on the hill that's inspiring to us all? Did Ronald Reagan rest on his laurels and ignore the report? Was George W. Bush unable to handle the problem with his "compassionate conservativism" as he claimed?? Have the Republicans elected across the country been unable to come up with solutions?

      Ah, but all you can do is blame the dreaded "liberal Democrats" the scourge you assert is what ails us, and you don't even have to use a thinly veiled dog-whistle for that, do you? You're allowed, ev

    71. Re:Early education more important by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So, all of the blame when things go wrong, but no credit for realizing it was wrong and changing. Wow. So in other words, there is zero incentive to do the right thing.

      And while it was great that it was stopped, that doesn't mean we should applaud "white men" generally as having accomplished this.

      But it was entirely white men who did this. 100%. I think you just have a lot of racial hate and don't want to admit your enemies ever did anything good. It would be like saying Hitler's anti-smoking or anti-animal cruelty laws were a good thing.

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    72. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, all of the blame when things go wrong, but no credit for realizing it was wrong and changing. Wow. So in other words, there is zero incentive to do the right thing.

      Can't get credit for eventually doing the right thing, if you're in denial about ever doing the wrong thing. You especially can't get praise and admiration for abolitionism, when you're talking out of the other side of your mouth about slavery was actually a beneficent act of service.

      There's actually sound reasons not to let you get away with that kind of self-serving farce.

      And while it was great that it was stopped, that doesn't mean we should applaud "white men" generally as having accomplished this.

      But it was entirely white men who did this. 100%.

      Well, DNS-And-Bind, the problem with that is that it's just not true. The abolitionist movement was filled with women, both white and African-American, and yes, African-American men. Even a few Asians and Native Americans.

      Not to mention the ~200,000 black men who served in the US forces during the Civil War, and even some in the British Navy.

      This kind of false statement reveals your propensity for lies quite handily.

      I thin you just have a lot of racial guilt that resent, and are using a conversion reflex to instead transfigure that guilt into a savior complex where you should be praised instead.

      I think you just have a lot of racial hate and don't want to admit your enemies ever did anything good. It would be like saying Hitler's anti-smoking or anti-animal cruelty laws were a good thing.

      Sure man, let's give Hitler 100% of the credit for opposition smoking or animal cruelty, because you know, he didn't burn people alive, or execute Jews because he believed they were animals. No, we don't have to esteem Hitler, or put up any monuments to him, just because he might, at some point, have spared a hapless ant.

      There is actually a lingering problem with Hitler aficionados, who don't even think he helped perpetuate the Holocaust, some even go so far as to say he'd never have supported it, in a complete denial of his Antisemitism.

      Seriously man, 100%, entirely white men...talk about unforced errors.

    73. Re:Early education more important by rhazz · · Score: 1

      Good response AC, I would have said similar but with more derogatory remarks. I was unable to reply earlier as I had left to pick up my kids from their anti-white indoctrination daycare.

    74. Re:Early education more important by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Education to stop the hatred would be a great idea. Such as stop teaching children in school that the "white man" spread disease among the First Nations with blankets tainted with disease. The germ theory wasn't established then.

      That's like arguing that nobody would build a catapult until the Theory of Gravity said the stuff shot with it would come back down. If you know something works, you use it.

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    75. Re:Early education more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good response AC, I would have said similar but with more derogatory remarks.

      Thank you. I tried my best to be informative, even if a bit judgmental. I don't think DNS-and-Bind will respond with any sense of cognizance about it, if there is a response.

      Personally, I still can't decide if he's a pandering troll faking a position, or genuinely holding these sentiments in some misguided self-deception.

      I was unable to reply earlier as I had left to pick up my kids from their anti-white indoctrination daycare.

      An obvious sign of your cultural paradigm being a construct of your sociological product.

      The horrors!

    76. Re:Early education more important by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they just on the dock of the bay, waistin' time.

  7. Apple trying to bury this story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That big a volume of text to censor will cause google/Bing spider robots to bury this story from search results..

    Apple is not shady at all, eh???

  8. Such a confusing article! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First it says that the need for high school "redesign" is a faulty narrative, then it says that the school system "needs serious reform". Which is it?

    Perhaps the piece is more about Amazon vs Apple than anything else.

    1. Re:Such a confusing article! by sheramil · · Score: 2

      First it says that the need for high school "redesign" is a faulty narrative, then it says that the school system "needs serious reform". Which is it?

      Redesign is when you make elaborate plans to change it so people think you're going to do something. Reform is when you actually do it.

    2. Re: Such a confusing article! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Does it take courage?

    3. Re: Such a confusing article! by sheramil · · Score: 0

      Bravest little dog I have ever seen. Muriel and Eustace were lucky to have him.

  9. Yes High Schools Need Transformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You got several levels of schooling in this country. The elite go to prep schools and other private routes and go to elite colleges and then to elite jobs where they get an education. The elite take care of themselves just fine.

    Then you got public school which has to take care of the worst (special ed, and pls spare me the crap) to the best, some who might likely get identified early and sped along. Many not. And whether they are at 25% or 90%, many have to attend the same classes.

    And public school has little tolerance for trade jobs, the overriding message is "Go to College" nevermind that many people work well with their hands, don't have the funds for college, and that college doesn't automatically mean better pay in the long haul.

    We can also seperate this between inner city schools, most are underfunded, and suburban schools -- where the teachers often make more than the surrounding median population but will cry how poor they are like inner city teachers while their pay/benefits/pensions put crushing taxes on their districts in some states.

    Public schools are generally a one-size-fits-all system when it doesn't and that is the overriding problem. Children can certainly benefit some customization something like a tablet running Khan Academy or Duoling-like programs can bring. But then again, tablets in their current form with browsing and other manner of garbage are unsuitable. Before someone mentions cost, prepaid smartphones are down to $30 at Walmart... they certainly can play Netflix and such. Not much more is needed for a tablet. A classroom of kids can be outfitted for less than a single iPad.

    What states really need to do is hire people at a state and national level to cooperate on these programs and on public-copyright textbooks and save on costs over time by cooperation and having development costs spread out over thousands of school districts rather than rely on vendors.

    1. Re:Yes High Schools Need Transformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Language evolves. Get over it. Shito shito frito doritto.

    2. Re:Yes High Schools Need Transformation by fermion · · Score: 1
      Special Ed actually encompasses a wide range of students. Anytime someone generalizes the group as 'the worst' pretty much means you can ignore the rest of what the person is saying, as they know nothing. Gifted and talented are special ed as they will likely act out in a regular classroom. You have someone who is reading at a college level, someone who can solve adult level problems, and put them with regular kids, you are inviting disaster.

      One thing with XQ is that they are pushing to change the one size fit all model. One major initiative is student choice. Providing lost of options and exposing the students to a lot of different ideas and then allowing the student to explore in depth the topics that are interesting. It is even taking time out the school day to allow that exploration of topics in a non-academic setting.

      I mention this but the computer instruction I most benefited from was creative and analysis. Khan is tradition lecture and benefits traditional students. I wasted a lot of time on computers, but I learned a lot. It prepared me for using the computer a tool for making money when most people did not even know how to turn a computer on.

      Most state and federal authority are focused on measuring students as a way to asses teachers, not on maximizing student learning. This prevents any innovation that would actually benefit the student. We believe that if a teacher is good at teaching kids to fill in the right bubble, they are good at teaching. XQ does have some components such as this, but are much more geared to student learning rather than teacher assessment.

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    3. Re:Yes High Schools Need Transformation by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      You know you can't actually go out and purchase a truckload of $30 smartphones. Those are subsidized. The rest of your post is similarly uneducated, I wish you'd had a better school to attend.

  10. Early education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,

    I strongly agreed with the admin for the post.
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  11. no abstract on their web site? by davecotter · · Score: 2

    i spent ten minutes browsing their web site and found very little about WHAT they're really proposing. i want a page that directly answers the questions: What needs to change? How can we fix it? What is our Plan? Do they investigate individual learning styles? seems not: they still want standardized testing School for me was like that old cartoon: the students are: a monkey, a bird, a giraffe, a fish. The standardized test is "get the thing at the top of this tree". I'm the fish. They didn't teach to my strengths. Yeah, school, what i remember of it, was mostly "memorize, regurgitate, and then forget". It was great at teaching THAT modality, but horrible at teaching *understanding of a subject*.

    1. Re:no abstract on their web site? by davecotter · · Score: 1

      i had formatted my above post with carriage returns, which were stripped when i posted. hence the seeming run-on sentences and seeming disjointed presentation. and there's apparently no way to edit your post. sorry about that.

    2. Re:no abstract on their web site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goal of XQ is to reshape public education by removing anything from the curriculum that does not have to do with creating graduates with "job-ready" STEM skills and low expectations for income.

      They basically want to turn taxpayer-funded schooling into a huge job training program for low-wage coders and factory workers.

    3. Re:no abstract on their web site? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The premise of Friday's show looked good but it lacked any substance. It was just celebrities.

      PBS NOVA had a great episode a year ago called School of the Future that gave a lot studies behind each of the proposed ideas.

  12. Public Service or Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if there were a difference in those. There never was, even in the good old times of Izvestia and Pravda. Ah, good ol' times.

    Capitalism and Communism, in their end stages, seem to resemble each other eerily.

    1. Re:Public Service or Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Izvestia and Pravda were the names of the two major newspapers in the Soviet Union.

      Izvestia is the Russian word for news.
      Pravda is the Russian word for truth.

      In those days, my Russian friends taught me a popular saying -
      "There is no news in the truth and no truth in the news.

      So yes, you are correct -
      Capitalism and Communism, in their end stages, seem to resemble each other eerily.

  13. Errrr... by jamlam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But when an hour of prime time on four networks is purchased, it's fair to ask whether that is a public service or propaganda." So what is it fair to ask when someone buys a whole newspaper?

    1. Re:Errrr... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Not to mention when that paper hires political operatives like John Podesta.

    2. Re: Errrr... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      What is fair to ask? Well, for one, they didn't buy the front page on all the newspapers....

  14. "as they deserve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "XQ won't be endorsing or supporting particular candidates; we'll be supporting all candidates who stand with us in a shared commitment to rethink high school, so all young people can be educated as they deserve."

    Since this is the US, does this mean the rich will continue to get the best education available?

    1. Re:"as they deserve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course the rich will always be able to get the best education available. They can pay for it. Why is that a problem? Them getting the best education has nothing to do with everyone else being able to get a good education.
      The real question should be how do we improve education for children whose environment teaches them education is unimportant? That's the real problem. Children in homes where education is valued will almost always get a good education. Children in homes where education is not values, where they are not valued, have an uphill climb and will almost never succeed, at least not through education.
      And the U.S. as a society need to decide what education is for. Is it for job training? Is it to produce well rounded citizens? Is it to benefit society? Who decides what "benefits society" means?

  15. Translation service by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We'll be supporting all candidates who stand with us"

    Translation: "We'll be supporting all candidates who will buy our stuff."

  16. Oh, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony of this is, while the show was being aired, many folks were away at high school football games....not watching this show.

  17. Wow from WaPo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the case of pot calling the tea kettle black! WaPo is straight Propaganda.

  18. 100% PHONY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even Steve Jobs' product presentations were not this contrived.

    This is the kind of BS that Trump would love.

    The end is very, very near.

    Sad.

  19. Amazon owns newspaper trashes competitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon trashed competing tech company. Film at 11

  20. I'm panning it, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She, like all would be 'reformers', be the devil. It has nothing to do with education and everything to do with monetizing. I watched this for a long time in California. It's a joke, it involves no real educators, it's basically exploitation, and I do not posit that lightly. It cannot be allowed to spread any further than it has. The blind eye toward this very transparent and extraordinary greed is astonishing, our regulating bodies have been asleep for ten years. It is also a rare instance where children are actually imperiled - no one can get wasted formative years back completely.

  21. war of the corporate propagandists by doctorvo · · Score: 2

    The Post points out gently that "not everyone believes" in the need to "transform" high schools

    So we have one Democratic billionaire corporate master (Bezos) criticizing another Democratic billionaire corporate master (Jobs) over how to spend tax dollars on education. This is the vision Democrats have for America: propaganda, corporatism, and government by elites and billionaires.

    What these pricks are united in is in denying Americans the right to make their own choices for how their kids are educated with the tax dollars their parents have spent.

    1. Re: war of the corporate propagandists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ah, parroting the line of your billionaire corporate master (Devos) who wants to spend tax dollars advancing her vision of propaganda, corporatism, and government by elites and billionaires, as the right-wing uses the false claim of 'School choice' to shovel tax dollars into their system of brainwashing, indoctrination and miseducation.

      You may want to destroy any system where the public can unite to demand accountability, responsibility and integrity for the use of tax dollars, but your attempt to expose innocent children to the preaching sermons of "Liberty Elementary" and the worship of the Great Orange Jeebus who will dictate their place in life by their service to the Almighty Dollar will not be unopposed.

      I am sorry that your parents failed you so badly that you are vulnerable to the blandishments of such an obvious group of con-artists and frauds, and that you are so poorly developed in your independent thinking and cognitive capacity that all you can do is recite the doctrinal creed that has been driven into you, but I will reject it as soundly as I do the other abuses you seek to impose upon us with your calavacade of failure.

      Why don't you try abandoning the false scripture you have been subjected to, and seek the freedom that comes from honesty and integrity? It will lift a burden from you.

      The weight is staining your soul.

    2. Re:war of the corporate propagandists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, it wasn't the democrats he nominated and elected a pro-corporate billionaire with a penchant for propaganda.

    3. Re:war of the corporate propagandists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How are they denying anything? The XQ thing, as you'll see if you read the article, was a competition open to anyone to suggest innovative school models. Nothing was prescriptive. The WaPo riposte says, confusedly, that there's no problem to solve really, plus the schools have been fixing the problem for decades, and yes the schools do need to be reformed ... but not the XQ way. This is a debate (sort of) and a difference of opinion. No laws are being passed about how to spend tax dollars.

      I cannot participate in your right-wing paranoia about Democrat billionaires forcing things on us.

      Now, if you consider the right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson who are directly influencing the laws of the land, now you're onto something.

  22. Clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When billionaire capitalists who champion open borders for increased profits are pouring their money into "reforming" public schools, it should give people pause. Are we really to believe that it's just out of the goodness of their hearts, and for nothing in return, that they spend billions to finance school board candidates around the country who advocate transferring public school property to private business without charge under the guise of "school choice." Now their allies in the corporate media have agreed to give them a prime time slot synchronized across all channels in order to sell their agenda to the American public. And we're supposed to buy this as some benevolent movement? Holy shit are people stupid.

  23. What is really needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Having been in the homes of many poor families I can tell you quite honestly that there will be no equal education until homework is abolished. As soon as kids step off of school grounds they are no longer equal, no longer have equal access to materials and systems, and do not have the time free that homework requires.

    As for the video linked in the article, I tried watching it but found it so cringe inducing that I started skipping through it, trying to find some informative element of the message they wanted to get across. There was no message, just fast cuts and fake smiles.

  24. Having Watched This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a teacher, I watched with interest as XQ portrayed classes as not having changed in 100 years. I noticed the blackboards which I haven't used in 15 years. Instead we use whiteboards and SmartBoards connected to computers. I noticed the complete lack of technology in the classroom. We have been using online curriculum, simulations, and hands-on technology for decades.

    Missing from the portrayal of education were First Robotics, VEX Robotics, and Robofest. Missing from their skewed narrative was Career and Technical Education, fine arts programs, and the input of local communities and businesses.

    They showed a Tesla compared to a 100 year old car to illustrate the changes in the automotive industry, but they failed to mention that the cars built 100 years ago were electric. Many of the old electric cars share components similar to today's Tesla.

    Finally, they failed to show how keeping their profits offshore to avoid taxes has severely hurt schools and local governments in the United States.

    XQ is the kind of corporate messaging that makes teachers want to quit. If they really wanted to make a difference, they would fund the development of high quality lessons and curriculum similar to that offered by the Cisco Networking Academy.

  25. Not likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fox is just the right-wing WaPo, you can't trust either of them. I only trust stories with verifiable facts, and those are really hard to find on any outlet.

    1. Re: Not likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WaPo is owned by Bezos, aka. Amazon. They probably got confused when it was executively produced by a Jobs, and so their bots automatically panned it.

  26. Proper reading is based on IMAGE, not sound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    'sounding out' is NEVER a reading method, but a method for people who speak a language far better than they (currently) read it to learn new words. This means young children- but actual PROPER reading must be taught in a way that bypasses the verbal part of our brain.

    You should read by SEEING each word, in the same way you see a car or cat. If you read by sounding out inside your head, you are effectively reading 'disabled'.

    The confusion comes from the mechanism of understanding NEW words- and dim witted parents, who probably cannot read correctly themselves- think reading by sounding out inside one's head is how it is supposed to be done.

    For adults, there is a test. Go find a site that jumbles up the letters in each world of a paragraph according to a special rule. If you can still read that paragraph fairly easy, you read correctly. But adults who 'sound out' have to solve each jumbled word one-by-one as 'anagrams' - and thus essentially find the paragraph unreadable.

    The key to learning to read PROPERLY is to have the child read as much as possible with a rapidly expanding vocab- so as many words as possible are learnt 'on sight'. Having the young child use the internet is the very best way- cos the internet demands reading skills.

    On the other hand, having the young child read very little- and that having limited vocab content- combined with hitting the child with constant 'sounding out' - means the child will never learn to read properly, and will continue to read by 'sounding out' as an adult.

  27. What is the solution to failed state schools by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    State run schools in the US on the whole are an abject failure, both compared to schools in the US historically and compared to schools around the globe. The only honest question is how to fix them.

    Teachers unions have been claiming for 30 years (at least) that the schools need more money and that will fix the problem. The US now pays 28% above average for first world countries to educate children: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/c... and US students still score well below average for first world countries.

    Put another way, the US spends on average around $12,000 per student per year for elementary school. In a class of 30 students, that is $360,000 for 180 days of instruction or roughly 9 months. Assuming a single teacher per classroom, each teacher is bringing in $2000 PER DAY or $250 PER HOUR. Any business would be glad to have that kind of income, and only an idiot would be unable to make ends meet with it. The only way to explain the constant complaint of insufficient funds by teachers unions is gross incompetence. For those of you who will complain about the other overhead costs, the average rental price for 1000sf (33x33 classroom) of commercial retail space is $7 PER DAY. The bottom line is schools get plenty of money, and are, in general, grossly mismanaged.

    Many conservatives, myself included, have been calling for school vouchers for years to use the tool of well regulated competition to both improve the quality of education and dramatically improve the efficiency. It is mind blowing that people rely on regulated competition to provide them with safe, economical food to eat, safe, economical cars to drive, safe, economical homes to live in, but when it comes to the failing school system, we must have socialized state run schools because those have been doing so well...

    The problem with state run schools is that they are state run, they have 6 or more layers of bureaucracy and stupidity with zero accountability for teachers or administration. Until that changes, we will never substantially improve education. Schools aren't failing to teach because of the curriculum, they are failing to teach because there is no competition to keep quality high and prices low.

    We already require accreditation for private schools, and all rich parents who aren't complete failures as parents send their kids to private schools because they want their kids to succeed. Why should only rich kids have a leg up on society, it is completely antithetical to core US culture, and yet it continues because the teachers union has deceived the liberals and has the politicians by the short hairs.

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    If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
    1. Re:What is the solution to failed state schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      State run schools in the US on the whole are an abject failure, both compared to schools in the US historically and compared to schools around the globe. The only honest question is how to fix them.

      No, it isn't the only honest question. For example, we might honest question why you think that they are on the whole, an abject failure, when on the whole, there are widely different results in different schools. We might ask honest questions about what is a failing school. We might even ask, honestly, why schools are failing. We might ask honest questions about why you think there is only one question to ask.

      Teachers unions have been claiming for 30 years (at least) that the schools need more money and that will fix the problem.

      Or we might ask why you are trying to boil down actual specific requests by Teachers, and Teacher's Unions, for various reforms of a variety of forms to simply "Throwing more money at the problem" as you attempt to reduce their position to an easily dismissed slogan.

      These questions keep increasing in number.

      The US now pays 28% above average for first world countries to educate children: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/c... and US students still score well below average for first world countries.

      Nope. Already fact-checked. Found wanting.

      But say you are concerned about spending, then control that data for education spending. Examine it carefully. There's another honest question to ask.

      Put another way, the US spends on average around $12,000 per student per year for elementary school.

      Except...you would know, if you controlled for states, that that average varies WIDELY. Even more so if you control for counties.

      In a class of 30 students, that is $360,000 for 180 days of instruction or roughly 9 months.

      Oh? Well, the US average teacher salary is under 1/6 of that. Under 60,000 dollars. Where's that other 300,000 going? There's another honest question for you.

      Assuming a single teacher per classroom, each teacher is bringing in $2000 PER DAY or $250 PER HOUR.

      Well, if you mean in terms of personal enrichment, we know that's false. Or they're only working ~30 days a year.

      Any business would be glad to have that kind of income, and only an idiot would be unable to make ends meet with it.

      Oh? So you are claiming that a revenue-oriented approach would work? Is that it?

      The only way to explain the constant complaint of insufficient funds by teachers unions is gross incompetence.

      Oh, so you have an answer to that, yet mysteriously, you don't tell us who is grossly incompetent. Is the Teacher's Union in charge of school spending? Does the Teacher's Union call the tune? Or are other groups influencing the outcomes and setting the score?

      For those of you who will complain about the other overhead costs, the average rental price for 1000sf (33x33 classroom) of commercial retail space is $7 PER DAY.

      And there's another faulty statistic for you. Commercial retail space is also widely variable in costs, and suitability for class-room instruction is another problem. Plus you know, we do have outdoor spaces at most schools, for some reason. Better factor that in.

      Then there's transportation. You know how much is spent on transportation to schools? That's part of your figure.

      The bottom line is schools get plenty of money, and are, in general, grossly mismanaged.

      Yet you have provided zero demonstrated factu

  28. Bezos bought WaPo with "no due diligence" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos signed the $250 million Washington Post deal with no due diligence

    http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-bought-washington-post-with-no-due-diligence-2016-3

    That's because he didn't buy it to earn money. He paid $250M for it while his net worth is $90B and Amazon is worth $430B. Just how much money was he expecting to earn with it? The answer: he didn't care.

  29. Re: GAY NIGGER GNAA NIGGER DICK UP MY ASS YUM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just a mental illness.