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A New Way to Learn Economics (newyorker.com)

John Cassidy, writing for The New Yorker: With the new school year starting, there is good news for incoming students of economics -- and anybody else who wants to learn about issues like inequality, globalization, and the most efficient ways to tackle climate change. A group of economists from both sides of the Atlantic, part of a project called CORE Econ, has put together a new introductory economics curriculum, one that is modern, comprehensive, and freely available online. In this country, many colleges encourage Econ 101 students to buy (or rent) expensive textbooks, which can cost up to three hundred dollars, or even more for some hardcover editions. The project is a collaborative effort that emerged after the world financial crisis of 2008-9, and the ensuing Great Recession, when many students (and teachers) complained that existing textbooks didn't do a good job of explaining what was happening. In many countries, groups of students demanded an overhaul in how economics was taught, with less emphasis on free-market doctrines and more emphasis on real-world problems.

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  1. Leftist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This should be titled "Free Leftist Indoctrination"

    1. Re:Leftist by HornWumpus · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Marxism has failed every real world test it's been put to. It's not broken 'because implementation', it's broken in inception. Too much concentration of power. No way to fix it, shitcan it.

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    2. Re: Leftist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say indoctrination in the sense that economics is supposed to be about understanding how the economy works. Free market simply references the market forces of supply and demand, how they impact prices, and things that may (or may not) cause them to change, and why. Issues like inequality and climate change, while related to economics, are orthogonal issues. It sounds like they're trying to change a subject that focuses on a mixture of mathematics, politics, and psychology to that of a humanities class.

      They do have a point about not adequately explaining the cause of the great recession, but that is a failure on the part of whoever is teaching the macroeconomics courses at the schools in question, and not necessarily the study of economics as a whole. One of the major failures of colleges these days is that while they are good at giving you knowledge, they totally fail at teaching you how to think. Muddying these two topics would only make that worse, as it teaches against examining topics from an "all other things being equal" perspective, which it just so happens is critical to economics.

    3. Re:Leftist by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The people writing a textbook based on idiotic Marxist dogma?

      Look, they may lean left, they may even believe in Social Justice, but there is no "Marxist dogma" about globalization and climate change. If you click on the link, and skim the book, you can see that their views are more in line with Thomas Piketty than Karl Marx. Calling them "Marxists" makes about as much sense as calling Milton Friedman a Nazi (yes, people have done that too).

    4. Re:Leftist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Capitalism might have its flaws, but it best mirrors human nature. We're imperfect as well. It harnesses our flaws to motivate people. It corrects surplus and scarcity based on our flaws. Nothing can ever be perfect. But at least, it has a feedback mechanism that works with our imperfections. It's the basis for barter and trade and pretty much every market that's ever existed. Even in socialist experiments, market based economies sprout up underground. It's the natural order of things. The premise always is some people value something more than others and are willing to trade something of value to the other person to get it.

      Socialist economies assume they can social engineer people and foist on them what some entity believes is best for them. It believes that human nature can be ignored and ideals can rule. That's why such systems keep failing. They're not based in reality.

    5. Re:Leftist by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Marxism is more specific than 'Socialist'. If 'The means of production' are in private hands, it's not Marxist.

      The scandinavian countries are, generally speaking 'capitalist welfare states'.

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    6. Re:Leftist by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did specifically mention inequality, which all flavors of socialism and communism claim to solve (which is false; all they do replace the meritocracy of capitalism with a political caste system that offers almost no chance for ordinary people to move up within.) This is also ignoring the fact that having equality is actually impossible to begin with.

      Also (and I'm not sure if they mentioned this) anybody who subscribes to the idea of socioeconomic classes of rich, middle, and poor, is buying into a concept popular among communists who want to drive a wedge between people so they can have their glorious revolutions (which only end poorly for those who they claim to represent) under the farce concept called class warfare.

    7. Re:Leftist by ChrisMaple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The combination of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland is about 80% of the population of Venezuela. Venezuela depends on the combination of a relatively small population and the export (to capitalistic nations) of natural resources to fund the social programs.

      Would you like to explain the difference in economic success?

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  2. Huh... by imatter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always thought the best way to learn econ was countless hours of Dopewars.

  3. Curriculum? Sounds like an agenda to me. by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...who wants to learn about issues like inequality, globalization, and the most efficient ways to tackle climate change..."

    That's not a list of economics subjects, that's a political agenda.

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  4. Reads more like a manifesto than a course plan. by Noishkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The very fact that the first line of this article reads like the beginning of a manifesto for far left causes was the first warning sign. The fact that this tripe goes out of it's way to mention Marxist economics pretty much closes the case. Given the fact that Marxism is probably the worst way to run an economy and society that the human species has yet come up with.

    Perhaps most damning is the very fact they spend more time in this article talking about how they're going to influence people than the pros and cons of this new teaching methodology. Good ideas don't need PR nearly as much as starting with your best ideas first than prove that they work with imperial evidence.

  5. Leftists, not right-wingers, require "safe spaces" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Science and economics both corroborate the ideas that right wing ideologies promote. That's why leftists constantly require "safe spaces" to hide from reality in, especially at academic institutions. Their leftist beliefs don't hold up in reality, and that's why they must censor any ideas that don't conform to their faulty narrative. Those on the right don't need "safe spaces" or censorship because they know their ideas hold up perfectly well to extreme scrutiny and analysis, as these ideas are based in fact and and on observation, rather than being derived from feelings and ignorance like the beliefs of leftists are.

  6. Economics in a hurry by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just flip a coin. No matter what position you want to take in economics some "expert" can be found to validate it.

  7. Re:An ideolog's wet dream by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a bunch of drivel. We need more emphasis on free-market doctrines and how/why the system we have currently isn't. The more we try to add Marxist ideology to today's society, the more problems we introduce.

    Allow me to point out some of the issues that make show how problematic the free-market ideology really is.

    • * The 2008 collapse: according to the free-market ideology, we should have allowed all the banks to fail. The fallout from this would have been an actual depression.
    • * Healthcare: according to the free-market ideology, if you don't like what they are charging for medications or surgeries, you just don't buy it. This has resulted in the untimely death of sick people.
    • * Disaster events: according to the free-market ideology, we shouldn't help those who are now homeless because they did not pay for the proper insurance.
    • * The prison system: according to the free-market ideology, private prisons should be attempting to maximize the number of inmates by any means. This results in a higher prison population with longer sentences. This is actually happening.

    I'm not touting marxism, I'm just pointing out that capitalism isn't good everywhere like you seem to think it is.

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  8. People who don't understand the housing crash by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    can't be taught it. If you haven't learned fundamental things like "there's no free lunch" by the time you turn 15, you're hopeless.

  9. Re:An ideolog's wet dream by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not at all. Karl Marx and Adam Smith were both writing from the perspective of liberalism, i.e. the Enlightenment. Both failed because both are predicated on the belief of the tabula rasa myth, i.e. that all humans are rational and equally capable. Today, we know that ability is entirely genetic and that it follows a bell curve distribution. The minimum required intelligence to be a productive member of society continues to move to the right, while the overall intelligence distribution mean declines due to technology removing many selective pressures.

    Most likely, this article is not about that subject however. In the West, nothing is more taboo. But elsewhere, this is not the case, especially with China.

    It is understandable this is a problem in the West however, given the association with National Socialism in the Third Reich.

    What are the solutions? I am not entirely sure.

  10. Neither Marxism nor the free market works by techdolphin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I agree that Marxism does not work, neither does the free market. The test of any economic system if it meets the needs of its people. Marxism or at least the communist versions of Marxism failed. Under these systems there were shortages of basic goods such as food and clothes.

    Under the U.S. system, while we have plenty of food and clothes many people struggle to make ends meet. Our health care system is a failure with millions of people uninsured and many people with insurance who cannot afford medical care because of deductibles or copays. College is also unaffordable for many. So while we have plenty of food and clothes, many people cannot afford to meet their basic needs, especially when it comes to health care and education.

    The systems that seem to work best are the hybrid systems that combine the free market and socialism, such as the Scandinavian. They use the free market where appropriate and they use socialism where appropriate thereby meeting the needs of all or almost all of their citizens.