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Democrats Ask FEC To Create New Rules To Keep Foreign Influence Off Social Media Ads (thehill.com)

Cristina Marcos reports via The Hill: Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday asked the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to establish new guidelines for online advertising platforms that would prevent foreign spending to influence U.S. elections. The move comes after Facebook provided information to Congress and special counsel Robert Mueller, who is leading the FBI's investigation into Russia's election interference, about Russian ad purchases during the 2016 campaign.

"The recent revelations that foreign nationals with suspected ties to the Russian government sought to influence the 2016 election through social media advertisements are deeply concerning and demand a response," 20 House and Senate Democrats wrote in the letter. "We are fast approaching the 2018 election cycle. As such, it is imperative the Federal Election Commission begin this effort in earnest," they wrote. CNN, which first reported on the Democrats' letter, cited Facebook sources saying they expect Congress may try to require disclaimers on online political ads in the future, similar to political television ads. The Democratic lawmakers suggested that any FEC guidance address how foreign actors can use corporate or nonprofit designations to avoid disclosing political spending; what advertisement platforms can do to prevent foreign campaign activity; and possible changes to disclosure standards for political advertisements.

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  1. Too bad.... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They don't also wan't to keep that influence out of our ballot boxes... and Across our Borders.

    1. Re:Too bad.... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're happy to invite in any immigrant who they think will vote Democrat. But heaven forbid a Russian conservative buy an ad.

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    2. Re:Too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Democrats don't seem to have a problem with the millions of dollars Hillary Clinton took from foreign governments.

    3. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      But heaven forbid a Russian conservative buy an ad.

      You know it's illegal for a foreign national to buy campaign ads in the US, right? Has been for a while now. For 45 years, to be exact. FECA was signed into law in 1972, by Richard M. Nixon.

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    4. Re: Too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just as they have no problem with the 'hate speech' or violence from their own supporters.

    5. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      but, let me guess, it's totally OK for a foreign national to make a donation to a super-pac, right?

      No, it's against the law. Unfortunately, Congress has never implemented the disclosure laws that the Supreme Court insisted upon with their Citizens United decision. It's a fucked up situation all around, and there's been zero will from the Republican-controlled Congress to do anything about how easy it is to game our elections with money.

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    6. Re:Too bad.... by skids · · Score: 2

      1 year. The ruling was in 2010 and Republicans took the congress in 2011.

    7. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Obama had 8 years to clean that up and chose not to because he was the high money guy in 2008.

      When Obama was president, there was a law in place to cover disclosure of campaign money. It was called McCain-Finegold and got overturned the by the Supreme Court, after which the Republicans took over the House and as I said, then there was no will to pass any laws requiring disclosure of campaign funding.

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    8. Re:Too bad.... by skids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think they are overspending on this thread. There's like 5 putin rogonosets to every one actual slashdotter who even bothered to open the thread.

    9. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How can Facebook ads still be in the US when they offshore pretty much all profits to dodge taxes?

      Because Facebook is an American company, they are subject to the laws of the United States. At least in theory. Do you think the Trump DOJ has any appetite for enforcing this particular law? I don't.

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    10. Re:Too bad.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The hilarious part is you think Slashdot has enough influence to bother spending on. It doesn't. Comments barely reach into the triple digits any more, and single digits aren't uncommon.

      The real tragedy is that by Podesta creating the dolchstoss-legende blaming the foreigners, now any contradictory opinions look like propaganda. Considering we have hard proof that Share Blue did in fact astroturf a bunch of websites with paid commenters, that just makes it worse as far as confirmation bias goes. The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed but that he cannot believe anyone else.

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    11. Re: Too bad.... by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Here's a piece by the former vice-chair of the FEC: How the FEC Turned a Blind Eye to Foreign Meddling

      I warned that Vladimir Putin could meddle in our elections nearly three years ago ...

      I suggested to the commission that the FEC consult with internet and tech experts to discuss how the agencyâ(TM)s current approach may or may not fit with future innovations. Starting this conversation should have been noncontroversial, especially at an agency whose very mission is to inform the public about the sources behind campaign spending.

      But my comments were greeted with harassment and death threats stoked by claims by the three Republican commissioners that increased transparency in internet political advertising was censorship. Requiring financial disclosure, they argued, âoecould threaten the continued development of the internetâ(TM)s virtual free marketplace of political ideas and democratic debate.â One commissioner went so far as to tell me that even talking about this subject at the commission would itself âoechill speech.â

      Not only was it taboo to suggest that the FEC adapt to the times, the commission was barely interested in enforcing rules already in place. In one instance, Republican commissioners had blocked enforcement of a law that explicitly prohibits foreign interference in U.S. elections, despite clear evidence that foreign nationals had spent large sums of money to influence a California ballot measure. Next, they blocked attempts to strengthen FEC regulations to protect the integrity of our political process when there is evidence of foreign contributions.

    12. Re: Too bad.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You still don't get why Trump won. The sheer level of insufferable arrogance from upper-middle class liberals that dominate internet discussion is a massive reason why. A huge part of why nationalism (whether it's Trump or Brexit or populist parties Swedish Democrats in Sweden, Front Nationale in France, and others throughout Europe) is seeing such a surge in support is in opposition to the CONSTANT liberal circlejerking in the media and refusal to even consider that the working class isn't a bunch of idiotic, evil racists, but bases its vote on real world experiences that they go through and rational self interest.

      They are sick and tired of sneering upper middle class liberals scaremongering about anybody who isn't part of the political establishment and being called racists for wanting to maintain a national sovereignty and set of values.People are sick and tired of ad hominems being the dominant form of discourse from the left whenever issues relating to protecting our national borders and culture come up. They are sick and tired of their acquaintances screaming on Facebook UNFRIEND ME IF YOU SUPPORT TRUMP YOU RACIST BIGOT.

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    13. Re: Too bad.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Trump won because of the standard populist tactic of telling people that they are being attacked, and offering simplistic solutions. Mexicans are stealing your jobs, so I'll build a wall to keep Mexicans out. Liberals and the political elite are corrupt and make you feel uncomfortable, so I'll throw her in jail and repeal everything Obama ever did.

      On top of that, Trump went full post-truth. He didn't even try to really hide the fact that he was lying, he just went with the idea that all politicians lie so you might as well stop worrying about it and vote for the one whose promises you like the sound of.

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    14. Re: Too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trump won because of the standard populist tactic of telling people that they are being attacked, and offering simplistic solutions.

      You mean lack of complex solutions like "tax the rich more"?

      As for the tactic of telling people they are being attacked....women, minorities, LGBT?

    15. Re: Too bad.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Man, I wish I got paid for this shit.

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    16. Re: Too bad.... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      How long have you been on crack?

    17. Re: Too bad.... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Now the baizou even openly express their lust for genocide. I hope trolls like this are merely (Chinese-bankrolled?) social destabilization agitprop.

    18. Re: Too bad.... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      I notice the posters who loudly denounce supposed Russian trolls, are the same folks who like throwing around obscure Russian slang terms. Coincidence?

    19. Re: Too bad.... by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 1

      Proof that paid Russian trolls posted millions of posts?

      Proof that it had any impact on the election?

      You can usually tell what a leftist is guilty of by what they accuse their opponents of doing. AFAIK, there is no right wing counterpart to Shareblue.

    20. Re: Too bad.... by skids · · Score: 1

      Nope, just retaliation. The altright decided to call everyone who doesn't adhere to their xenophobia "cuckolds" while meanwhile acting as cuckolds for Russian interests themselves. So I looked up "cuckold" in Russian and now use it as a fitting term for our new domestic population of foreign-led dissidents.

    21. Re: Too bad.... by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with you that hubris plays a big role, it's also bigger than that.

      It's the blatant dishonesty combined with the hubris. The left basically says we are going to lie to you because we don't trust you to make the "correct" decision if you are fully informed. To wit, in Germany, they claim importing over a million Syrian refugees is vital to the economy, despite the fact that most of them are illiterate in their own language (much less German), and the vast majority are simply unemployable and so will be huge net drains on the economy. So the economic argument is bullshit, but clearly they are serving some other purpose which the left is not being honest about. Same thing with the Affordable Care Act. Remember how it was going to lower prices for most Americans? Remember how it was going to increase access to care? Compare the promises with the actual outcome. The left is pathologically unable to tell the truth about their agenda or their tactics, because the vast majority of people would recoil in horror if they were honest. So they cloak it in terms like fairness, affordable, economic vitality, humanitarianism, etc, while the real goal is enervating the populace and taking ever more control over everyone's lives.

    22. Re: Too bad.... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Unfriend

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    23. Re: Too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was clear since June of 2016 that the news media were trying to elect Hillary President all by themselves while trying to bury Trump in fake news. Rather than speak with college kids that don't bother going to the polls I spent my time speaking with senior citizens. They all saw the circus going on with the news and decided they were going to vote for Trump just to spite the bullshit taking place. I personally voted for Trump to get rid of ObamaCare which penalizes people that cannot afford healthcare with a tax penalty that they can't afford either. If this country wants universal healthcare it needs to be single payer heathcare, not "tax the middle class" healthcare. Even Michael Moore, Liberal cock-sucker that he is, knew that Trump was going to be elected but no one paid attention.

    24. Re: Too bad.... by crtreece · · Score: 1

      bases its vote on real world experiences that they go through and rational self interest.

      ROFLMA! It's in the interest of middle to lower class Americans to lower taxes on the rich and corporations, gut social and medical assistance programs, and nearly double spending on imperial militarism?

      I get that part about being tired of politics as usual, but anyone that thought Trump was going to actually do something about it wasn't paying attention. There seems to be some expectation of going back to the good parts of 1950s America, without getting the parts they consider undesirable. Manufacturing jobs that earn enough for 1 person to support a family aren't coming back.

      We're better off without the institutional racism, sexism, and homophobia of that time. But e'd probably be doing better with the highly progressive taxation schedules of the same era.

      liberals scaremongering ... ad hominems being the dominant form of discourse ... acquaintances screaming on Facebook

      The same tactics are coming from the other side. Conservatives that want more military and police action against terrorists and protestors, calling anyone that complains about anything, or needs any kind of social assistance whatsoever a special snowflake or social leech, UNFRIEND ME IF YOU SUPPORT OBAMA/HILLARY/BERNIE. It's all just the other side of the same coin.

      I don't know how to do it, but until the US finds some way to stop the polarization thats happening, it's just going to get worse. Our voting system that is setup in a way that leads to the 2-party system, and everyone hanging out in their internet echo chamber of choice are causing us to lose the ability to compromise and work together. The ruling oligarchy has to be laughing their asses off at the in-fighting they've created amongst the lower and middle classes and how they've convinced the "conservative" faction of the same to fight AGAINST what's really in their best interest because they're all really temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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    25. Re: Too bad.... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it's because GP is correct. Hillary's campaign mostly catered to upper spectrum socioeconomic democrats, while ignoring the wants of practically all of the states that she lost, while at the same time referring to them as "deplorables" and "angry white men", with the media (especially pop-culture talk shows like the view, the daily show, etc) and the democratic political elite doing the same. I see the democrats talk about how we need to protect marginalized groups all the time, and it seems that their solution to protecting them is by marginalizing another group. (European politicians are doing the same thing on a large scale lately, by the way, and they wonder why there's a sudden dramatic rise in the number of people voting for far, far right parties.)

      You yourself are beholden to this exact same hypocrisy.

      Hillary's loss was well deserved. Besides, I distinctly recall during the 2004 election when the Democrats were praising foreign intervention:

      https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

      Not that I support Russian intervention, mind you, nor do I support Trump, nor am I a conservative.

    26. Re: Too bad.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, it's because GP is correct.

      Nope, can't be. If it was merely incorrect the the correct thing to do is post a reply, as you did. What actually happened is people stared bombing with -1 Troll mods.

      -1 Troll is not a substitute for -1 Disagree or -1 Wrong. Neither is -1 Overrated or -1 Flamebait.

      I'd argue that +1 Interesting is more than justified, even if you think I am wrong, as it provides a counter argument and moves the debate forward. All -1 Troll does is re-enforce the Slashdot echo chamber. It is in itself a form of trolling.

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    27. Re: Too bad.... by SomePoorSchmuck · · Score: 1

      So it was nothing to do with the millions of posts made by paid Russian trolls such as yourself? Was all that effort and money wasted?

      If your post has any basis in reality we're all doomed -- the user you're responding to has a 400k slashdot ID. So Russian trolls in 2017 hopped in their time machine and zipped back 18 years to register accounts on a very influential nerd website, knowing full well that by the time 2016 comes around that website will have become overwhelmed by the increasingly fractured nature of internet communication and won't be nearly as influential as it was originally.

      So, the Russian hackers have a time machine, you better be careful what you post, otherwise they might decide to go back 14 years and kill your parents before they conceived you.

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    28. Re:Too bad.... by chispito · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness you you included his middle initial or I wouldn't have known which Richard Nixon you were referring to :)

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    29. Re: Too bad.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, this is a parody, right? I said shitting all over people and ridiculously exaggerating what they say was the problem, and you post a comment doing exactly that?

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    30. Re: Too bad.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Share Blue was caught red-handed with hard proof that they were paying people to post. Yaknow, when you see opposition, it doesn't mean that they're being paid, too. The shill's punishment is not in the least that she is not believed but that she cannot believe anyone else.

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    31. Re:Too bad.... by hey! · · Score: 1

      I am actually open to the suggestion that foreigners should be able to influence US elections; but only provided that it is done transparently. If Russia wants to make an argument that America should vote for candidate X, fine by me, as long as the message prominently informs readers of its source, e.g. "This message was funded in part by the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation."

      In fact I think this is a good idea all around. In an era where so much information is being delivered by the web, it is entirely feasible to put up links to all the corporate and organizational sources of messages and their officers. So if an anti-smoking regulation message is put up by a group named "Americans for Healthy Choices", we should be able to see a list of directors of that group and their resumes (which might tell us they work as attorneys for a tobacco company).

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    32. Re: Too bad.... by orgelspieler · · Score: 1, Interesting

      People expressing their opinions as foreign nationals, and specifically stating that they are from another country, is not even in the same ballpark as: the son of a presidential candidate having clandestine meetings with Russian spies, or a campaign manager taking millions of dollars in Russian mob money, or the National Security Advisor having to literally register as a foreign agent; or Russian agents making bot accounts to leave thousands of pro-Trump messages on various forums pretending to be Americans. Take your false equivalence elsewhere.

      While I am no fan of HRC, to say that she ignored the wants of the states that she lost dismisses the fact that she had a lot of plans in place, and that she communicated those plans quite well time and time again. The problem was that she was perceived as having no empathy for the plight of these people. It's the same problem I have with my wife sometimes. If she tells me about a problem she is having, I always jump to, "here is how we can solve this." All she wants to hear is, "I understand what you are saying, and that this problem is important to you." Although I'm sure that if Hillary tried her husband's "I feel your pain" shtick, she would have been lampooned for that as well. She was just an atrocious candidate.

      Now Trump on the other hand, did a great job of empathizing with people. It's just that the solutions he offered, and the solutions he's trying to deliver, won't actually help the people who got him into office. If you had told folks last year that "repeal and replace" means "drastic cuts to medicare," maybe they would have changed their mind. Then again maybe not. The Daily Show just ran a segment on a guy who owns a golf course that will be destroyed by The Wall (TM). Even with that knowledge, he believes he made the right choice by voting for Trump.

      For the record, I think that marginalizing racist assholes is a way better solution than saying they are "very fine people." I have friends who supported and still support Trump. But even with them, I do not tolerate statements about how impressive it is that he has the balls to break apart Mexican families by arresting parents at a children's hospital, or how funny it would be if you had to eat a bacon sandwich to get through the TSA checkpoint. Unfortunately, Trump has normalized this sort of behavior and sentiment to an extent that was unthinkable even two years ago.

      To claim that embracing equal rights for women and minorities is somehow marginalizing white men is just astonishingly ignorant. I simply cannot fathom what data you have that you think might support such a premise. I am a white man, and any time I hear somebody claiming reverse sexism or racism, I challenge it. So far, the only place that has proven to have an endemic problem is in the public elementary school system.

    33. Re: Too bad.... by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      What part of the status quo do you think people are sick and tired of? Because I can tell you Trump has only made the parts of the status quo I was sick and tired of even more entrenched: ICE overreach. General disregard for the Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Congress failing to reach consensus on major legislation. Propping up oil companies with massive tax incentives. Extreme income inequality. Dysfunctional international relations. Net neutrality. The Wars on Drugs and Terror. Gitmo, for Christ's sake! The supposed roaring liberal I voted for 9 years ago didn't make things any better either. 8 years of hand wringing and soul searching. I can't say HRC would have fared any better, but at least she wouldn't have looked like a complete buffoon in front of the entire world.

    34. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I am actually open to the suggestion that foreigners should be able to influence US elections; but only provided that it is done transparently.

      That's worthy of discussion. As long as every dollar that goes into American politics is directly attributable to a human being (not a corporation!). And I mean every dollar. No more pretending that there is some difference between ads that talk about issues with ads that talk about candidates. There should be disclosure of all political money, period. Give me that, and I may be open to foreigners influencing our elections.

      Unfortunately, the people in power benefit from obfuscating the sources of their funding, so it will not happen until people start to demand it.

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    35. Re:Too bad.... by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      ...and Obama sent money to an NGO to interfere in Israel's election in order to hurt Benjamin Netanyahu.

    36. Re: Too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the Affordable Care Act. Remember how it was going to lower prices for most Americans?

      Depends on whether you live in a red state or a blue state. Or (and it's interesting how this works out) whether your state decided to participate in the exchange and take advantage of the subsidies or not. It's the same map.

      Strange how that lines up.

    37. Re: Too bad.... by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      Gloria, I too know what it feels like to be thirsty. I too have had a dry mouth.

    38. Re: Too bad.... by Crass+Spektakel · · Score: 1

      I think Trump won because most Americans are Idiots. You know, those kind of idiots full of incompetence, lazyness and envy. Those kinds which are considering being laught upon is a violation of free speech. Those who think partying through childhood is ok, never safing money is ok, doing life decisions on gut feelings is ok, living a glamoros life from depts and after that everyone is guilty but not the idiot.

      Nothing wrong about that, most people on earth are born, idiots, some get a bit smarter in school bust most still die as idiots.

      But the US made it a habid to ruin schools and wondering where are all the idiots from.

      Electing a goverment from one party and a parliament from a hostile party so everyone is blocking everyone and nothing gets done for the whole election period. This is actually the case for 70% (!!) of US history.

      Refusing to reform a nation coz the founding fathers (which lived with pigs in their houses and died of illnesses like cough and dysenterey) decided like 1000 years ago how to run a 21st century nation and this holy message should not be questioned (image some generic sermon which pleases both Islamic State and founding fathers fundamentalists) and then wondering everything is so fucked up.

      You want proof of this decay? Take a random redneck and watch a random spongebob episode. He will not get half the jokes.

      And the biggest wrongness of all: Thinking America is great. It isn't. It was sometimes. But mostly it was just above average. And to even hold this level everyone has to fight. Lets call it the "civilized nation jihad", reflecting yourself, dropping whats old and wrong and adapting. EVERY FUCKING DAY. Thinks wont get better by behaving like school bullies though. Right now America is not Great. Well, Canada maybe. But not the US. It is isolated, falling back fast. I always thought the 21st century will be the asian century but I thought this would happen because asia wakes up, not by the US falling asleep.

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    39. Re: Too bad.... by andydouble07 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your ego bubble, but shitposting on forums does not have the kind of effect on the real world that you think it does. Good luck with the keyboard warrior thing, though.

    40. Re:Too bad.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      yet SEIU (the I being International) with its highest offices being, well, INTERNATIONAL

      SEIU headquarters is in Washington DC. Its highest offices are not, well, INTERNATIONAL, silly. It has one (1) local in Canada (affiliated with the Canadian Labour Congress). It is registered as a non-profit corporation in the United States.

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    41. Re: Too bad.... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      People expressing their opinions as foreign nationals, and specifically stating that they are from another country, is not even in the same ballpark as: the son of a presidential candidate having clandestine meetings with Russian spies, or a campaign manager taking millions of dollars in Russian mob money, or the National Security Advisor having to literally register as a foreign agent; or Russian agents making bot accounts to leave thousands of pro-Trump messages on various forums pretending to be Americans. Take your false equivalence elsewhere.

      Foreign influence is foreign influence, no matter the circumstances. If you want to go about it your way, then you can argue that a private citizen in another country can just go ahead and buy ads for political messages, which will be legal even if this person was bankrolled by a government entity.

      While I am no fan of HRC, to say that she ignored the wants of the states that she lost dismisses the fact that she had a lot of plans in place, and that she communicated those plans quite well time and time again. The problem was that she was perceived as having no empathy for the plight of these people. It's the same problem I have with my wife sometimes. If she tells me about a problem she is having, I always jump to, "here is how we can solve this." All she wants to hear is, "I understand what you are saying, and that this problem is important to you." Although I'm sure that if Hillary tried her husband's "I feel your pain" shtick, she would have been lampooned for that as well. She was just an atrocious candidate.

      If somebody repeatedly refers to you with terms like 'a deplorable', you won't give a flying fuck what their plans are for you. Besides, during her campaign, Hillary didn't bother visiting these states, instead holding rallies in states with people she liked. Guess who did visit these states?

      Now Trump on the other hand, did a great job of empathizing with people. It's just that the solutions he offered, and the solutions he's trying to deliver, won't actually help the people who got him into office.

      Most voters have not a clue about what their guy plans on doing, so this doesn't matter. In fact, I recall during the 08 election, most people I spoke to who were voting for Obama just said that they were voting for him because their friends were voting for him. Practically none of them knew what his campaign was all about. This lady certainly didn't:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      For most voters, emphathizing and understanding is all that matters.

      For the record, I think that marginalizing racist assholes is a way better solution than saying they are "very fine people."

      Actually the thing about that...it won't work. In fact when you do this kind of thing, it tends to backfire. Look at the anti-vaccine movement; the more you tell them that it's stupid, the more they hold firm in their beliefs.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/storyl...

      Even then, most of the people you're talking about aren't racist. Hell, I've had people on slashdot label me a racist just because I think black lives matter shouldn't be allowed to block freeways, and that the "unfair campaign" was retarded.

      But even with them, I do not tolerate statements about how impressive it is that he has the balls to break apart Mexican families by arresting parents at a children's hospital, or how funny it would be if you had to eat a bacon sandwich to get through the TSA checkpoint.

      Usually statements like these are in jest, in my experience. The person wouldn't actually do these things themselves. I've heard people say they'd force a kid with peanut allergies to eat peanuts rather than ban peanut butter sandwiches f

    42. Re: Too bad.... by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 1

      >You're also lying your ass off about the motives of liberals.

      That's funny, because I didn't mention liberals or their motives at all.

      I said the left, which maybe you conflate to be the same thing as liberals, but they aren't. Not at all.

    43. Re: Too bad.... by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 1

      >First off, Germany doesn't have "over a million" Syrian refugees. At best estimates, it has between 600,000 and 700,000. This article:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Says Germany's official tally for net new refugees in 2016 was 890,000. The article was written in September of 2016. It's now September of 2017. I would say a million+ refugees is probably a fairly safe extrapolation.

      >Second, nobody in Germany ever claimed that they were "vital to the economy". You just made that up out of whole cloth.

      https://www.theguardian.com/bu...

      See, this is why normal people fucking hate the left. You are all liars. IMF has made that argument, Merkel and her henchmen have made that argument. Multiple times. Of course it's bullshit, just like your claim that no one is making it. That's what you guys do, get caught in a lie, move to another lie.

      >Third, 86% of the population of Syria is literate. I haven't seen any study of how the refugee population differs from the population at large in this respect, so the most reasonable assumption is that approximately 86% of the refugees are also literate.

      LOL. So you believe those official government statistics published by Syria on literacy rates, eh? Here you go:

      http://www.zeit.de/2015/47/integration-fluechtlinge-schule-bildung-herausforderung

      >I get that you need to demonise the Left so that you can safely hate them and not listen to their arguments. Really, I understand. But don't spread your bullshit here.

      Blah blah blah, anonymous coward ends with: "I don't have the energy to lie any more, so I'll just do an ad hominem attack to close..".

    44. Re: Too bad.... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Sure, sure, I believe you. How's the weather in Moscow today?

    45. Re: Too bad.... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      You still don't get why Trump won. The sheer level of insufferable arrogance from upper-middle class liberals that dominate internet discussion is a massive reason why.

      Oh, I think we get it, but you have left out the other, big factor: the massive, largely self-inflicted ignorance of those that fell for the populist scams. And funnily enough, you also left out one remarkable election result that can be attributed to the disillusion with the well-fed middle class: Corbyn's support in UK, which nobody - not even Corbyn's supporters - had expected.

      People are sick and tired of ad hominems being the dominant form of discourse from the left ...

      So, why don't you go in front and show us the kind of well-balanced, fact based kind of discourse that we are all longing for? Starting with not singling out what you call "the left", since the rather infantile level of discussion especially in the US comes from all over the spectrum, not least from mr Trump and his supporters. Also, tell us all what you define as "the left", because I have no idea, and judging from what gets called "left" or similar by different people, seems to be anything that isn't uninformed and biased in the same way as whoever uses the word.

  2. Hahaha by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No.

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  3. Re:YOU JUST THOUGHT OF THIS NOW?!! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Fuck you all. Fuck. Go head, mod me down. Social media is a scourge on society. FUCK YOU!

    Please, there's no need to hold back on slashdot. Tell us how you really feel. ;)

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  4. And foreign owned corporations? by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how much influence do foreign owned corporations exert in the US election cycle through their unlimited and unaccountable spending on party political advertising and campaigning. Then there's the issue of such corporations' influence over law-making through lobbying. Fake news and hacking political parties email accounts are the least of the US's worries in this respect.

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    1. Re:And foreign owned corporations? by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest listening to Planet Money's Rough Translation in Ukraine if you think that fake news isn't an issue.

  5. Ever notice.... by ckatko · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...how these discussions and articles and pundents never mention... China... in the list of foreign influences on the USA?

    It's not like China has ever directly involved themselves in our elections before...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ... shit.

    1. Re:Ever notice.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or Israel.

    2. Re:Ever notice.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Brexit too.

      I read a story in USA today just this morning about how the right wing in the US is "meddling" in German elections by making comments on message boards. Seriously.
      "Instead, they say, right-wing groups in the United States are behind materials popping up on YouTube, messaging board sites like 4chan and reddit and texting service Gab.ai. The evidence comes less than a week before Sunday's vote that is likely to hand German Chancellor Angela Merkel a fourth term. "

      Obama goes and campaigns against Brexit, works with opposition parties in Israel to oust Netanyaho, yet people talking on message boards is "meddling". The hypocrisy is astounding.

    3. Re: Ever notice.... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      That's 'cuz most of the outrage trolls posting here are funded by China. Probably a lot of the more extreme "social justice" hypocrites are Chinese backed as well. I quite admire it really - it's excellent social destabilization propaganda.

    4. Re:Ever notice.... by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 1

      The government hates competition. Try setting up your own Ponzi scheme like Social Security and see what happens.

  6. Muh Rusha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course, nobody gives a shit about AIPAC or Saudi Arabia.

  7. Re:First amendment by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are already restrictions on campaign advertising. No one claims they violate the first amendment

  8. Dems are behind the curve again by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's been illegal for foreign nationals to purchase campaign ads for US elections since 1972. It's even illegal to sell campaign ads to foreign nationals (putting Facebook in some jeopardy in the event the Justice Department decides to enforce the law).

    The letter from Dems to the FEC is a request for information from the commission explaining how they're going to meet this legal obligation in regard to social media advertising.

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    1. Re:Dems are behind the curve again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And yet George Soros has done it for the past 12 years. But that's ok because the money is laundered through the political committees.

      Let's not even get into the Clinton foundation that essentially took international bribes for US policy in all but name.

      And, I can't help but point out, once again you're just spewing DNC talking points. It's illegal for foreign nationals to advertise for political candidates. It is NOT illegal for foreign nationals to advertise for issues. Otherwise CAIR and the ADL leaders would have to be thrown in prison.

      Facebook advertised for the Russians - WHAT advertising remains to be revealed.

      Damn that pesky first amendment that you now loathe so much.

      And Hillary would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for those pesky Russians.

    2. Re:Dems are behind the curve again by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Foreign election interference has gone both ways, on several axes. The USA has certainly intervened in many foreign elections, as they have in ours, since the founding of the USA. Public statements of concern about or support for one candidate or another have been traditional, at many levels of public and private announcement. So has foreign support of election monitoring, to help ensure a fair election, both by the US and on several occasions of USA elections.

    3. Re: Dems are behind the curve again by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      They both have rights: the extent to which these rights are recognized depends on many factors, especially treaties with their nations of origin. They may not include all the rights of the Constitution, but even in military involvement they are covered by the "Code of the US Fighting Force". There are violations of these laws, these treaties, and these laws. The prison for untried and unconvicted "illegal enemy combatants" in the US base at Guantanamo Bay is an example of such violations of civil rights and of the Geneva Convention.

    4. Re: Dems are behind the curve again by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      People who violated the law to enter the country, as compared to foreigners who did not violate any such laws?

      If they bought campaign ads, they broke the law.

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    5. Re:Dems are behind the curve again by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like this is some issue that is really significantly new and different in 2017 than it was in 2010, 2000, 1990.

      It is significantly different. In 2000 we had campaign finance laws.

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    6. Re: Dems are behind the curve again by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But not all of them, right?

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    7. Re:Dems are behind the curve again by houghi · · Score: 1

      You are aware that you can influence people without buying ads for campaigns directly, right? Just post "But her emails" several million times and people will start to think it is relevant.
      Say many times "We have already won" and people won't even bother to vote.

      All you need to do is fool some of the people some of the time.

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    8. Re: Dems are behind the curve again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I understand that you people are pissed that you spent hundreds of millions on a losing candidate. If you did not live in a bubble, sheltered from the rest of the country, maybe you could have made more intelligent investments.

    9. Re:Dems are behind the curve again by friedman101 · · Score: 1

      And yet George Soros has done it for the past 12 years.

      George Soros is a US citizen

  9. Re:First amendment by BitterOak · · Score: 2

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    This is a clear violation of the first amendment.

    I wish the Supreme Court saw it this way, but they have already considered this matter in refusing to hear a case from a lower court which had decided that restrictions of foreign nationals' contributions or attempts to influence U.S. elections is not unconstitutional. (See Bluman vs. FEC.)

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  10. Re:First amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It’s not the first time incompetent judges appointed by the left failed to do their job.

  11. So, some sort of barrier for the foreign? by Z80a · · Score: 1

    Like some sort of "Cyber wall"?

  12. PopeRatzo is peak stupidity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here we have Clinton, who asked the Ukraine for dirt on Trump during the election.
    Clinton who lied under oath 7 times provably, and had her husband interfere with an investigation.
    Clinton took on the order of $150 million in bribes from Russia while running the state department.
    Clinton who literally rigged a national primary for the DNC to win it because she couldn't beat Sanders.

    And you complain about Republicans and elections? You are quite possibly the dumbest person on /. these days, and that is including creimer. Don't worry, you are so stupid you will still blindly vote DNC straight down the ticket no matter how corrupt they are or how badly they treat the middle class, because a rock has more common sense than you.

    Liberals have hit peak stupidity. They support people who literally rig elections while complaining about a couple Facebook ads that "might" have been bought by Russia. They ignore actual election fraud, support those who commit it, and then complain about freedom of speech. Yes, we have hit peak stupidity with PopeRatzo.

  13. If only the US would do the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The US has been interfering with foreign elections for over 60 years. Even a Liberal rag admits it: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

    Democrats are pissed for having their dirty laundry aired, as if they felt that only Republicans should have their's aired. The facts remain that all of the leaked emails and social ads were merely revealing the truth about how crooked the DNC had become.

  14. Re: Ban all advertisements as malware by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    The first decent proposal in this whole thread!

  15. Re:Hypocrits by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Imagine the Russians fomenting a coup in Mexico that put into power fervently anti-US groups willing to go to war

    That already happened, albeit a while ago (early in the Mexican Revolution). Better examples would be Cuba and Nicaragua.

  16. Re:First amendment by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    You are mistaken. Not only do restrictions on campaign advertising violate the First Amendment, the laws they are written do the reverse of their claimed purpose. The restrictions on campaign advertising are mostly written into "campaign finance reform" laws (or regulations created to enforce those laws), which were promoted as a way to get money out of politics...often with the argument that getting money out of politics would make it easier to remove incumbents from office. The result of all of our campaign finance reform laws has been to increase how much it costs to get elected and to make it harder for an incumbent to get voted out of office.

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  17. Foreign Influences in Elections Must be Good by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    If it wasn't good then the US wouldn't be interfering in the elections of other countries so often.

  18. if only... by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    If only illegal immigrants counted as a foreign influence to Democrats. Make no mistake, both parties sell you down the river, they just sell you to slightly different parties and word it differently though the net result is much the same.

  19. I will support this... by hackel · · Score: 1

    Just as soon as they also outlaw out-of-state contributions to local elections. National parties like the DNC and GOP shouldn't be allowed to contribute to local elections at all. Someone from a neighbouring city shouldn't be allowed to contribute to my local mayoral election. Where does it end?

  20. Datchu? by shanen · · Score: 1

    The game designer I knew (not that well) back in Austin?

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