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Nestle Makes Billions Bottling Water It Pays Nearly Nothing For (bloomberg.com)

Nestle, the world's largest food and beverage company, has been bottling water since 1843 and has grown into the largest seller of bottled water. But a detailed report on Bloomberg uncovers the company's operation in Michigan, revealing that Nestle has come to dominate in the industry in part by going into economically depressed areas with lax water laws. It makes billions selling a product for which it pays close to nothing. Find the Bloomberg Businessweek article here (it might be paywalled, here's an alternative source).

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  1. So.... fix the laws, I guess? by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've heard a lot about how "evil" Nestle is for these practices. But as usual, we're simply dealing with shrewd businesses taking advantage of situations where they can make huge profits because the law of the land doesn't prevent any of it.

    IMO, laws can be changed at any time -- so blame the governments for this.

    1. Re:So.... fix the laws, I guess? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah - the article paints Nestle as evil but gives the city leaders a total pass for charging only a $200 extraction fee.
      Either the city leaders are completely incompetent and should be kicked out or they took kickbacks in someway and should be kicked out and imprisoned.
      My only thought is that the city leaders decided it'd be worth the cost in terms of jobs and increased tax dollars to the city (which this article pooh-poohs as not worthwhile to research). I know a nearby town has a nestle plant and it's been a boon for the survival of the town.

    2. Re:So.... fix the laws, I guess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, Nestle SHOULD be painted evil in all this after their CEO's statement that he didn't think water was a human right.

    3. Re:So.... fix the laws, I guess? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah - the article paints Nestle as evil but gives the city leaders a total pass for charging only a $200 extraction fee.

      It's basically corporate welfare---a handout to a big corporation in exchange for jobs.

      If they increase the fee to a significant level, Nestle will just move to another economically depressed area and offer them hundreds or thousands of jobs in exchange for free access to water.

      When you have hundreds of communities willing to sell out, it's awfully nice to be the buyer.

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    4. Re: So.... fix the laws, I guess? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Demand a fair market price, if Nestle moves on let them.

      "Next to nothing" is a fair market price for water. I pay about $1 per HCF (hundred cubic feet) at the retail level, for water pumped to my house. That is about a 30th of a cent, or $0.0003 per liter. This is in drought threatened California. In most other areas, water is even cheaper.

      The prices listed in TFA are reasonable, and only sound otherwise to people that have no idea just how cheap water is. Any government is going to get way way way more from jobs and property taxes that they could ever expect to get by charging a few extra pennies per HCF for the water.

    5. Re: So.... fix the laws, I guess? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're splitting hairs. Intrinsic rights don't exist; all rights are entitlements.

      Only if you live under the "might makes right" law of the jungle. For instance, is the right to free speech an entitlement, because the government is benevolent enough to not kill you before you exercise it?

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    6. Re: So.... fix the laws, I guess? by udachny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are wrong obviously, a right is a protection against government oppression, it is not a product or a service or a resource. Government must not be able to prevent a person from drinking, it is not the same thing as declaring that clean water must be made available for a person just because that person is born, whether he does or does not pay for the privilege of *somebody cleaning* the water.

    7. Re: So.... fix the laws, I guess? by Pascoea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So I see some drinkable water but you demand I not drink it because you have a piece of paper that claims it is 'your' water even though you didn't make it.

      I don't quite get your point. Are you suggesting that the concept of property doesn't apply specifically to water, because the person claiming ownership didn't make it? Why does that stop at water? I didn't make the dirt my house sits on, are you able to come dig it out?

  2. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    THEY'RE BOTTLING WATER.

    Their biggest expense is probably the bottle, and then moving it to somewhere they can sell it.

    This isn't news.

    Nor is it news that stupid people will pay again for something that already comes out of their bathroom taps or falls from the sky for free all the time.

    Dasani (Coke-owned?) were bottling River Thames water and selling it to Londoners. Everyone bought it UNTIL it made the news. They hadn't even noticed or cared up until then.

    Bottled water has its place, sure, but paying for a bottle of water if you live in a huge house with hot and cold running water is like buying a can of air.

    1. Re:Sigh. by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...falls from the sky for free all the time.

      There are many places in the US (typically in the West) where unless you own the water rights to the land you are on, you do not own the water that falls onto that land. So rainwater is only free for certain values of free.

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    2. Re:Sigh. by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nor is it news that stupid people will pay again for something that already comes out of their bathroom taps or falls from the sky for free all the time.

      Unfortunately, many times that I am in need of water I am neither in my bathroom (or even in my house at all), nor is it raining.

      Yes, you could claim that it is stupid for people not to carry a refillable bottle of water with them at all times, but you'd be wrong. It's called "convenience", and everyone pays for convenience. Even if you don't use the convenience (and pay for it) of getting a bottle of clean, drinkable water when and where you need it, you pay for the convenience of having someone else make your clothing, build your cars, create your electricity, and almost certainly growing your food. Sometimes, I bet, you even pay for the convenience of not having to prepare your own food or not having to carry it around with you all the time so you can eat it when you need to.

      Calling people stupid because they make use of modern conveniences, despite it costing more than doing everything themselves, is just arrogance.

      Yeah, maybe using bottled water in your own home is overkill, but maybe it isn't -- if you live in Flint, for example. But using bottled water when you're at some event where it would be INconvenient to carry a water bottle is not.

  3. That describes nearly every soft-drink maker by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A 2-liter of Coca Coca cost pennies to make.

    1. Re:That describes nearly every soft-drink maker by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you ever want to give up Taco Bell, get a good smell of 'Ol' Roy' brand canned beef dog food, then goto a Taco Bell and inhale. You will recognize the smell.

      Not this nonsense again.

      Unlike Taco Bell, Ol' Roy brand canned beef dog food contains actual beef.

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  4. Why is this here? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has absolutely nothing to do with nerds, technology, internet, or anything even close. It's a food company putting water in bottles. WTF. Not news that matters.

  5. Re:Yeah, poor Nestle! by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does it have to be so polarized? (EG. Nestle = victim, OR Nestle = evil sociopaths)

    I really don't find Nestle as either one. I think they're just taking advantage of the opportunities presented to maximize profits, as they've promised their stockholders all along. If Nestle was really SO evil, they'd be putting highly addictive substances into their water bottles causing you to crave Nestle branded water - or something like that?

    Yes, corporations tend to have enough money to buy influence in the political system. That's why I've always felt we need to both pay attention to what's going on and vote in an informed manner, AND reduce government's size and scope. The more power and influence central government has in the first place, the more ability it has to selectively grant businesses specials favors or privileges - despite the will of the people being against it.

    I'd love to see political lobbyists outlawed, period. There's no reason someone should get paid just to try to win a politician's favor on an issue when that's the job of the voting public to decide. My elected representatives are supposed to be up there, doing the lobbying for the issues those of us in their district believe should be handled a certain way. Individuals trying to influence them with gifts, dinners, and what-not? They're clearly only there to subvert the process.

  6. Re:Yeah, poor Nestle! by blindseer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd love to see political lobbyists outlawed, period.

    How would that work? First, you'd have to define a political lobbyist. Second, you'd need an enforcement mechanism.

    Part of the problem in making political lobbying illegal is that everyone has the right to communicate with their elected officials. Are you going to say that once someone makes a profession of communicating with a politician that they cannot talk to them any more? Okay, define the point at which a person is a professional lobbyist.

    For an example let's assume I want clean water for my community. So, I start a little group, Keep My Water Clean. I collect donations, hold fundraisers, and so forth so that I can spend my time traveling through the state and the nation telling those in public office that there needs to be government enforcement on keeping municipal water safe to drink and to fund the creation of municipal water sources for growing communities. You want to ban that?

    Let's say there is a ban. How should I be punished if I violate this law and create Keep My Water Clean in spite of the ban? Would you have me jailed? Should I be fined? How do you think that would look in a court of law? Or, the court of public opinion?

    I've seen arguments like this before and the typical response would be that non-profit corporations would be exempt. Okay, did you know that the NFL was a non-profit until there was enough public outrage that they changed their legal status? Being a non-profit doesn't mean the entity cannot be very large and make a lot of people a lot of money. Also, suppose a bunch of people got together to make a non-profit that made it no secret of it's affiliation with a large for-profit entity. Let's call this group Pepsico Employees for Clean Water. Every member of the group is a Pepsico employee, and the board is identical to the board of Pepsico. When they hold a meeting they "rent" a conference room at Pepsico headquarters, and Pepsico then "donates" this rent to the non-profit Pepsico Employees for Clean Water, which is then noted on their tax return as a donation to a non-profit.

    I say let people say what they want.

    I've heard this somewhere before and it comes to mind here, liberals want people to shut up while conservatives want people to keep talking. Go ahead, keep talking. Let the best argument win.

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