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President Donald Trump and His Daughter Ivanka To Unveil a New Federal Computer Science Initiative With Major Tech Backers (recode.net)
From a report: President Donald Trump will issue a new directive Monday to supercharge the U.S. government's support for science, tech, engineering and mathematics, including coding education, three sources familiar with the White House's thinking told Recode. To start, Trump is set to sign a presidential memorandum at the White House later today that tasks the Department of Education to devote at least $200 million of its grant funds each year to so-called STEM fields, as the administration seeks to train workers for high-demand computer-science jobs of the future. And on Tuesday, Trump's daughter and advisor, Ivanka, is expected to head to Detroit, where she will join business leaders for an event unveiling a series of private-sector commitments -- from Amazon, Facebook, Google, GM, Quicken Loans and others -- meant to boost U.S. coding and computer-science classes and programs, the sources said.
Must be "Bring Your Daughter to STEM Work" day at Slashdot.
It doesn't matter if there are no American applicants or if there are hundreds of American applicants. As long as there is one person from India willing to do the work for 20k a year, they will pick that person.
$200 million in government grants to fund offshore initiatives.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Until they kill the H1B program, all it will do is further depress wage growth as domestic talent pools swell.
As the article alludes to, most of these same tech companies just left the administration en mass after the 'very reluctant/weak/late condemnation of nazis' debacle.
This is effectively taking proposals that have already been thrown at them, and using it as an excuse to get large amounts of money from these jilted companies, and 'manage' them at their whim.
Here's what these companies should do: Create their OWN organization to manage any funds they want to use effectively, and just ignore the noises from this administration.
Better than letting DeVos have any potential control over it.
The only high tech job in the entire world, get ya coders here get ya coders here! o fuck we need engineers and those maf dorks too back to India maybe next time guys
the White House later today that tasks the Department of Education to devote at least $200 million of its grant funds each year to so-called STEM fields
So how much does the Department of Education (DoE) currently devote to STEM field grants? You are looking at around a $70 billion budget, with tens of billions already going to various grants. What is even the point of releasing this kind of news if no one can even tell if it is an improvement on what we already do?
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
I'm not sure why they're paying attention to the Administration at all. Nobody else is. Congress is basically acting as if the White House was vacant (which, in a metaphorical sense, it is)
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Theodp, you don't need to submit as "anonymous". We know it is you
This is more likely just going to further suppress wages in these fields with an even greater glut of workers that they won't pay decent wages to and continue outsourcing work to other nations.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
What a useless and incredibly vague question. What's in it for any president/politician? Money, public service, fame, patriotism, votes, bored, or a combination?
It's bad enough reading articles with no proof accuse Trump of crazy conspiracies, but to imply without evening try to come up with a conspiracy or evil motive is just lazy.
Votes? Heck no, most voters don't know or care about IT labor. Big corporations simply want cheap IT labor and are lobbying heavily to get it. IT is becoming a bigger part of their costs, and so they are looking for ways to reduce the costs. If they can't get cheap H1B's, then they want cheap Americans. Thus, if schools flood the market with IT workers, corporations can pay less. Many graduates may still be unemployed or unemployable, but that's NOT co's concern; they only care about profits. Unemployment and college debt is somebody else's problem in their minds. "Big Farma" did the same with farming labor: back-braking work for 3rd-world wages. Rinse, repeat, IT.
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to distract from other issues going against common sense and logical steps for the common good of a nation and - world as whole.
Just look at this tinderbox North-Korea and who plays with matches on it. Can light up any time, nothing is learned from history by an Idiot!
Yes, it looks really serious this time.
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It's probably okay, but like most things Trump related, I'm skeptical. He announced he wanted to invest in infrastructure, but his plan seemed to want toll roads (yuck). On the surface it looks okay, but I bet there is something there about withholding funds for climate change type stuff. I'll put it down as "wait and see."
Krooked Kushner.
Otherwise he wouldn't be doing it.
Easy. A computer big and huge enough that it can someday house his consciousness when his astonishingly healthy body someday craps out, so he can continue to MAGA for all time until America was won so much even his most ardent, NFL-hating MAGA fans are tired of winning. It will be huge. It will be gold. It will be huge and gold, and they will call it the "BFC T-1000" and it will rule and it will be incredible, people, believe me.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
My town has 9 schools (1 pre-K, 4 elementary, 2 middle, 1 high school). The tab to run the district for a year is ~$65M. This works out to about $11k/student, which is pretty near the national average for school expenditures. There are about 50 million students in public schools in the US. So $200M/50M = $4/student. For a classroom of 25 kids, that's $100. Maybe you can pick up an Arduino kit. For a district that spends $11K/yr on a student, $4 is a rounding error. If this was $2B that would be $40/student, which for a classroom would be $1000, which could actually be used for technology initiatives -- buying equipment, IT staff to manage the equipment, teaching materials, hiring teachers and the like.
I.e. more fat, more sugar, less agility and less quality everywhere? I think I see where Trump is going with that. He is trying to re-create the success of the fast-food industry in education! Genius!
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
It's a game changer! Promising to devote $200M/yr is like $4/year for each student. I admit it's not new money, and they are spending more than that already on STEM, but still, it's a great pro-science initiative. I'm sure Betsy DeVos will spend it wisely on consultants and charter school initiatives. Liberals will be shocked at how amazing the results will be.
The Orangenator. Thanks for fueling some grueling nightmares, dude. Can I bill you for lost sleep?
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Ultimately the number of people attracted to STEM will reflect the ease of obtaining sizable and life long opportunities in the STEM field, regardless of what schools do. It's up to corporations to decide what they want.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
640K is enough for Trump's brain.
So, in your mind, he isn't doing exactly that already?
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I'm not sure why they're paying attention to the Administration at all. Nobody else is. Congress is basically acting as if the White House was vacant (which, in a metaphorical sense, it is)
Nobody's paying attention? They can't shut up about it.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
the left can just lie back and chill
Please, do exactly that. Please keep confusing fake celebrity outrage for public sentiment. Please keep believing the same polls they fed you before Trump won the election. Don't change a thing.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
I don't understand why Ivanka is involved with this project. Sure, we need more women in STEM, but I feel that Ivanka has always been more about the superficial feel good cosmetic of sales and marketing, antithetic to unglamorous logic driven grunt work of STEM. Oh', I forgot, she is the president's daughter.
Other may disagrees, but I look at this as a $200 million dollar public funded campaign effort to groom Ivanka for the Trump dynasty.
Slowly we drift into the idiocracy. . . .
why the hell would I let my kid go into IT. There's no jobs except for the top math wizs, and there's always jobs for those guys. This is just another transparent attempt to lower wages for the few folks left who have jobs.
End the H1-B and J1 programs first, then us parents will talk about giving you our kids. Until then my kid's going into Medical because they have a bloody Union (the AMA) and have so far resisted mass importation of cheap labor.
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True, all of it.
Only I can judge you.
The article must be wrong. $200 million to improve STEM education in the U.S.
http://nces.ed.gov claims there are 50.4 millions students enrolled in public primary and secondary schools in America today.
A Raspberry Pi Zero costs $5, assume you can get a super cheap cheap Chinese power supply, a USB cable and a 1m micro-HDMI to HDMI cable for $1.
That would mean that with students pairing up, they could share a Raspberry Pi Zero with no screen.
Maybe we can consider the average salary of a teacher is $56,383 as per referenced on niche.com
Assuming a full work year of 2000 hours (grading homework makes the average normal work day 10+ hours for a teacher which balances the summer vacation)... that would mean about $28.19 per hour to employ a teacher. If the average class size is 24 students (ny times) for primary and secondary schools, there must be 2.1 million school teachers. (Adjustments probably should be made to compensate for more than one teacher per 24 students as is typical in secondary education... there is also phys-ed, music, etc...
So consider maybe 3 millions teachers for 50.4 million students each making about $28.19 an hour. $200 million (employment taxes not included) is enough to buy 7.1 million hours of teachers or about 2 1/3 hours extra per teacher per year.
So, Donald Ana Ivanka are going to celebrate making the cost of a borderline useless computer with teachers unqualified to use them that have no screens?
Guys... did they even spend 2.3 hours thinking about this?
What will it cost to make the announcement? Seriously, the press releases, secret service for the president and Ivanka, the budgeting process, the work required at the schools to manage the additional money, etc...
Will $200 million even cover the cost of passing this? We're off by a minimum of an order of magnitude possibly two before this is meaningful.
And BTW... this isn't a Trump thing. This is a stupid fucking Washington thing. Pick a number pick enough to sound impress to the general public. Then sell it for political capital. It costs basically nothing. They don't even have to hand the money out. No one would be wiser for it and if they do hand it out, it'll be insulting as hell to the schools... forget that from this, the amount a school will receive won't even cover the cost of erasers in the science classes.
If you're going to promote computer science and technology in schools, learn to do basic math first.
Great job ass heads in Washington!!!
I'm not sure why they're paying attention to the Administration at all.
That's the real story here, imo.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
IT jobs in my area of the US are far and few but the number of people with degrees working in other fields is staggering. I've not kept in close contact with everyone I went to college with but of those that I do keep in touch with none actually work in a tech related field. My brother has a cs degree and does maintenance for the local school district.
People sometime ask why I've stuck in my position for so long because there is no real opportunity for advancement. It's not that I don't get offers it's that they want me to relocate and for barely over what I currently make into areas with a much higher cost of living.
Trump can't win any battles. So he sells out to the criminal oligarchs of Micro$oft, Apple, Google, Facebook/SpyAgency, ilk.
Kim Jong Un is right; Donald is a dotard, moron, swamp creature himself.
So Sad. So pathetic. So Donald Trump Selling out Americans.
Where's our Wall?
Where's our commitment to American workers?
Where's the breaking up of abusive monopolies?
Where's the reining in of Governmental and Corporate Corruption?
Drain the Swamp?
Donald you just raised the water level.
So sad. So infuriating. Perhaps Kim Jung Un is right; Donald is deranged.
What is surprising is that there are still Trump supporters out there.
I thought Larry the Cable Guy cleared that up.
Just wait - no doubt soon we'll be hearing that he has Equifax providing the computer security training.
We're certainly paying attention to them here. Which of the following is a smarter career move at Google, in a CNN newsroom, or in the Yale faculty lounge: to admit to voting for Donald Trump, or to proudly proclaim you are a member of the Resistance?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Alright, I get it - I figured. I'm the AC that asked the questions.
I was advised to learn those skills - and I did.
But, I don't have work experience in them.
My interview questions always include, "How many years of on the job experience do you have?"
Which I reply, "None".
I am in Metro-Atlanta. My advisor DOES have experience and when he was laid off at 45 years old, it took over a year to get another job.
I am 58.
I have nothing to add that would be constructive to this thread.
Whether it is lead by Trump or Obama, government should not — indeed, must not — involve itself in the markets, including the higher education market. Not the government of a free country, anyway...
The Central Planning, that Statists like so much, is both inefficient and opressive.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Yeah, nobody's paying attention to President Trump <eyeroll>
He just tricked half the NFL players into embarrassing themselves last weekend - the guy's a fucking genius at manipulating left-wingers. They're not only paying attention, they're dancing to his tune.
Do you have ESP?
IT and perhaps all of STEM is becoming increasingly specialized such that you pretty much have to move to different cities and states as demand changes. If you value stability in both location and the type of work you do, IT is probably NOT for you. Sys admin use to be a fairly "generic" field that you could find in any city, but cloudness is moving many of such jobs into cloud "warehouses", which are not likely located where your given house is. Sure, it's a gradual change, but new openings are more likely to be at a cloud warehouse.
It used to be a gov't job in IT was stable, but the fractious and polarized political climate has given gov't IT a boom/bust cycle also. While you are more likely to keep your job in gov't than the private sector, you still may have to move to where-ever the current administration's pork is. (Both parties have their favorite pork.) Plus, gov't pay is typically about 15% lower than private sector. You may get more retirement benefits, but you won't see those until you retire.
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You got just the quality of writing yuo paid for, sir. Capitolism!
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I'm sorry that you find reality depressing. Perhaps there is a fitting medication for you.
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Hillary runs Trump's brain on a home server in her bathroom closet? There's a fun conspiracy for ya. Oh, and it's been hacked by Russians.
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Funny how being a smooth-talker can make all the difference.
Wait, you're suggesting that people and companies should do their own thing, instead of routing it through the federal government ?
What a crazy idea!
But...how in heavens could anything get accomplished if the government's not running it?
-Styopa
This from the man who's organization still runs unpatched Exchange Servers from 2003.
These days I just hope that General Kelly can keep #PresidentTweety from reading any of these discussions. Might make Trump apoplectic. In simplified Trump-speak, the Donald might throw another hissy fit.
Trump's frequent hissy fits just embarrass all of us and make Putin laugh. Actually, a severe seizure could kill him, and I think Pence could be an even worse leading occupant (insofar as Pence's brain seems to be made of lead).
Oh yeah. About the story. Trump knows nothing, NOTHING. Sergeant Schultz would be so proud.
"Hey, Donald. They ain't disrespecting the flag. They're disrespecting YOU."
General Kelly better tighten up the leash.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
By now, it's not so much imply as it is extrapolate or induce.
Yes, you have succinctly described the "new normal": people can't stop talking about stuff they aren't really paying attention to.
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And flood the STEM fields with people with neither talent nor affinity for them.
Let me tell you the problem with education, which is that we have this model of higher education that dates from the time where the doubling time for the volume of human knowledge was measured in centuries. A medieval gentleman could attend a university and obtain a pretty good grounding of everything that his culture knew, then go home with a cart full of books (if he could afford them) to start a library that a hundred years later would hardly need any new works at all.
Today the rate of doubling of knowledge is measured in decades. That programming course you took twenty years ago is hopelessly obsolete, as is the statistics course very likely. STEM requires a new life long commitment to learning. And this by the way works well for liberal arts classes, which are very useful, but not so useful for twenty-year-olds. It's not that young people don't have insights into the human condition, but those insights are not fully formed yet, and in fact never will be.
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okay so let me get this straight, trump cuts 9.2 billion dollars from the DOE's budget, wants credit for $200M that he didn't even fund - he's just saying that of the money already allocated to grants, this much should go to STEM.
Meanwhile, when obama was president, he proposed a 4 billion dollar inceare in DOE's budget to go specifically to CS education, but that didn't pass because of republicans.
So the net score is: Obama +4 billion (blocked by republicans), Trump -9.2 billion (republicans love it).
And he wants to sell this as him supporting STEM?!?
Keep the grades and standards the same.
STEM isn't about learning a single programming language or a single methodology, it's about getting the base and then expanding it. If you're a Computer Engineer or Embedded System Engineer, which I have a degree in both, and you don't know JavaScript, C, C#, MySQL, Maria, MongoDB, Ruby, PHP and a number of other programming languages then you're out of shape and will have a very hard time getting a job.
It's not what you learned 20 years ago that you base your career path on, it's about what you do with what you learned that will make your career path. If two people apply for a useful job, such as an Engineering Job, and one has a degree in Embedded Engineering and the other has an SJW degree in Gender Studies, who do you think is going to get the job and who do you think is going to end up on government assistance? Liberal Degrees are toilet paper, they're all about feel-good concepts, hugs, and crying, instead of real-world application and progression.
There will be zero nukes traded with the USA and DPRK... Trust me... There may be bullets, mortars, and other conventional kinetic weapons used, but no nukes.
First, DPRK may have blown a couple of holes in a mountain or two using nuclear devices and flown a ICBM into the pacific ocean, but they've not demonstrated the ability to put the two things together. They are getting close, but it's still no cigar for Little Kim if he decides to pop a nuke. I doubt he can, yet....
Second DPRK simply cannot have that many nukes to set off. They might manage two or three, but I don't see that they have enough infrastructure to have enough material for more. Of course, somebody may be shipping the stuff to them so who really knows, but something tells me Little Kim basically has a small arsenal of nuclear gravity bombs and no air force that can deliver them... Yet...
I'm guessing that this will play out as follows: Trading verbal insults will continue in this tit for tat exchange, with DPRK getting more and more ridiculous in their rhetoric in their attempts to "one up" Trump. But this is a valid tactic by Trump. He realizes that Kim has a big problem staying in power, and should Kim lose face with his people, even a small percentage of them, he's going to be forced to start taking big chances and eventually he will make a big mistake. The natives will be getting restless. Then when you couple the *real* actions Trump is taking in isolating DPRK in the financial and trade areas, Kim's military will be in an ever lower and lower level or readiness, lacking food, fuel and other necessary supplies.
This *might* go badly if somebody in the north pulls the trigger and starts the shooting war, but DPRK won't last a day on their own. Regime change will likely be the end of it, well that and the rebuilding contracts.... :) China and Russia can mess this up of course, but I doubt they will risk a shooting war with the USA if the DPRK is not made part of South Korea.
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If your kid wants to go into IT, try any combination of security, database, virtualization, Linux, and/or system programming. Chuck in some routing and switching for added benefit.
Wow, it's like you've seen my resume! Linux, system programming, virtualization, security, databases, networking, routing, switching. I've done all of those things.
And you know what? There's still not even one job for me anywhere.
Cool story, liar.
if they could get Americans for that $20k/yr.
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folks don't go into Liberal arts because it's too costly. They do it because they can't hack the work for a medical degree. And nobody I know goes into CS. That's not because of the cost, it's because there are no jobs and haven't been for at least 10 years. Bring the jobs and the students will come back.
And can we stop dumping all over the liberal arts? You know Journalism is a liberal arts degree, right? And History? Jeez, and you wonder why things are going to pot in this country.
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You think you can force people into STEM and they'll all turn out to be good at it?
I think we can look at Indian IT workers to see how that will go. India has its share of talented people, and because India is huge that translates to a lot of very talented people. But the demand for IT talent there has produced three classes of people:
(1) People who have a natural talent for the work.
(2) People who by dint of effort have learned to be good at the work.
(3) People who by dint of effort have learned to be good at passing tests.
The harder you push, the further down this list you reach.
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Current Trump supporters are anti-science, anti-fact and Anti-American.
If he does truly support education, he should change the head of the department of education from a flat earthed, anti-science person first; or would coming out in support of science cause them to drop their support, can they blame "liberals", for "eroding his morals"?
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
Trump attaches name to program that does something for somebody, in attempt to coverup ineptitude by throwing random shit at wall and seeing what sticks...
He couldn't cite one fact about the healthcare bill(s) he was pushing. He didn't know the difference between medicare and medicaid. He doesn't know the difference between health insurance and life insurance. He doesn't even know anything about the things he does care about, much less the things he doesn't care about. He'll still put his name on it, though.
He's not just an embarrassment to the United States. He's an embarrassment to all of humanity.
And we are supposed to respect the opinion of an anonymous coward? I think not.
What is surprising is that there are still Trump supporters out there.
Trump supporters are total fucking strangers to the truth. It's why they're Trump supporters in the first place.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Funny how being a smooth-talker can make all the difference.
Compared to Trump, Forrest Gump is a fucking 'smooth-talker'.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
They have enough conventional artillery to turn Seoul into ash in the blink of an eye. A metropolitan area with a population of about 30 million. They don't need the nukes.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
What is surprising is that there are still Trump supporters out there.
There are quite a few of us given the job approval polls... Which I trust just about as much as the polling that said "He has no path to 270" early in November of 2016. LOL
The question is, who will the democrats run in 2020 who has more support? I mean if Hillary couldn't win the election when he didn't have one ounce of experience as a politician or in government service, he's going to be unbeatable with 4 years of actual experience...
You're assuming that americans elect based on competence. I think we can throw that notion out of the fucking window.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
But that's BS. Most (loud) people never gave him a chance. And most businesses are acting loudly against them for fear of boycotts and riots. In other words, people hate him and are doing everything they can to intimidate others into either (easy route) hate him too or stay very quiet and hope not to be noticed.