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Equifax CEO Steps Down Amid Hacking Scandal (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: Richard Smith, CEO and chairman of Equifax, abruptly retired Tuesday following a data breach at the credit-reporting service that affected the personal information of 143 million people. Smith, who was 57 as of the company's proxy statement in March, became CEO and chairman in 2005 after 22 years at General Electric in senior roles in various divisions. He is to appear at a hearing of the Senate Banking Committee on Oct. 4 and is the only person scheduled to testify. He is also scheduled to testify next week at a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Smith's salary for 2016 was $1.45 million and his bonus was $3.045 million. In a regulatory filing on Tuesday, the company said Smith will not get a bonus for this year and any other decisions regarding how his departure has been characterized or how much the company owes him will be deferred until the board completes an independent review of the breach and the response to it. In a separate report, CNBC notes that Smith could walk away with at least $18.4 million in pension benefits. The company is looking for a new CEO, naming its Asia-Pacific head to take on the interim CEO role.

74 comments

  1. Knock, knock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anybody home?

    1. Re: Knock, knock by bestweasel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry about that, it was either the NSA in retaliation for the story about their spying or the Kremlin after the story about their dirty tricks or maybe those new technical folks we hired from Equifax aren't quite up to speed.

    2. Re:Knock, knock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SSL cert is invalid. Expired some time in January. Whoops!

      Either that or it's because someone posted a couple links to Pirate Bay in the Star Trek story, CBS/Netflix doesn't like that.

    3. Re: Knock, knock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISIS has claimed responsibility for your credit report. ae911truth dot org

  2. like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    just kick the can down the street.... i knew equifax was a target like any other big data warehouse... not surprised. it sucks.

    like arthur andersen becoming Accenture amid the Enron scandal, so shall equifax. equifax will close its doors and rename and retool and if like Arthur Andersen foreign based HQ, will remove itself from the US.

    i just wish the credit reporting companies would fix our credit rating since the 2008 mortgage crisis carte blanche because of WF telling everyone to stop making papyments to trigger a short sale.. in doing so... over 120 late is stuck and WF said they did not recommend it yet told everyone to do it, and now equifax and others have it pegged on your record that it was my fault not WF for going over 120...

    yep, cry me a river.. thank you equifax for giving me another reason to file a complaint... and have my data breached..

    the saying goes.. it's not if your data is breached, it is when you find out it was...

  3. systemd took slashdot down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the systemd switch give some troubles?

    1. Re:systemd took slashdot down? by fisted · · Score: 0

      Yea but it really isn't a problem because you can just manually configure things back to a working state.

  4. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    like arthur andersen becoming Accenture amid the Enron scandal

    Accenture split from Arthur Andersen in 1989. The Enron scandal was 13 years later, and Accenture was not involved.

  5. Evading the Prosecutors by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The CEO isn't being accused of insider trading, but I imagine resigning is intended to reduce the likelihood that criminal charges will be brought against him. If your business is being an information broker, and securing people against problems involving that data, then it's not just the CSO's responsibility to secure your data. If this data leak led to a sudden explosion of identity theft, and a corresponding outcry blaming Equifax, then there'd be pressure to do something more than slap some C-levels on the wrist 5 years down the line after appeals. I'm sure Equifax is carefully weighing if it'd cost them more or less credibility to shut down after selling their name and assets to a 'new' company that carries none of the liability for these breaches, seem to recall Hostess did that.

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    1. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes sense.

      So, lets say you have loads of money. You don't have to work ever again. Working is only something you do because you have a drive for it. Equifax isn't willing to give you tons of cash anymore, isn't going to recover from this cleanly, and is a sinking ship. I'd totally stay at a company where I'll be blamed for everything, won't get paid what other companies would pay me, and will be demonized constantly. Really, this person should stay on and remind people every day that they are face of equifax -- when someone mentions equifax they should think of him.

    2. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well if theres enough of an explosion of ID theft that makes their credit rating service useless.

      I mean more useless, since those companies don't check that the debt exists anyways or that there's anybody with paperwork to back the debt up anyways.

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    3. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by geekmux · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Equifax) - "Hello! Nice to meet you! I understand you're interested in buying our assets."

      (Buyer) - "Yes, we are! We just have to get through some background stuff. How's your credit score?"

    4. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You're kidding? They'll just charge more and offer protection/alerts as a premium add-on service.

      I wouldn't be surprised if they come out of this ahead.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    5. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Cederic · · Score: 2

      They own TDX Group in Nottingham, could invert that takeover..

    6. Re: Evading the Prosecutors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can think about that when he's rotting away for the next 5 years at Rikers!

    7. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      (Equifax) - "Well, we did run into some cash flow problems recently"

      (Buyer) - "Oh that should not impact our decision too much (pull up credit rating) ....Oh, well that's not good. Okay, now we we need to do a criminal background check (pulls up criminal background). Are you kidding me!!!! How come you are not in jail right now?"

    8. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "seem to recall Hostess did that"

      Grupo Bimbo is a Mexican company and was actually one of Hostess' last options to stay afloat in some sort of manner. They did not sell out to a 'new' company, they sold out to a company that has existed since literally the end of the Second World War.

    9. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the large publicly traded company playbook. CEO steps down and takes way more money than the entire Slashdot readership has collectively ever seen. The board for the most part stays intact. They get a new CEO who says: "Oh yeah. Those other guys sucked, but we're going to make some big changes!" Then they do nothing and their stock for whatever reason will be back to where it was before this hack was announced. In closing, I guess we should invest in Equifax to help pay for the lawyers we'll need to sue them.

    10. Re:Evading the Prosecutors by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You're kidding? They'll just charge more and offer protection/alerts as a premium add-on service.

      I wouldn't be surprised if they come out of this ahead.

      Corporate/crypto-capitalism demands that they profit from the breach. It's one of those economic ground truths we proles don't understand.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  6. Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mind? by hai_Priesty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And last week he was still clinging on by throwing their CIO and CSO under the bus. Given the multiple instances of criminally neglient way Equifax handle the aftermath and violation of basic security principles would it be that he finally comprehended the extent of their screw up?

    It's not unlikely that entitled CEOs with his Ivory Tower buddies thought at first that this "PR Disaster" could be solved by a few fall guys, maybe a statement of non-apology or two, a free website and threw in some freebie reporting (that costs Equifax almost zero marginal cost) and he could ride out this 6-12 months.

    Perhaps he finally grasped that at best, the company is ruined. It is probable that a few person (perhaps even CxO level) is going to jail like Enron execs - the fiduciary duty to 143 million people are even heavier that that of Enron, it's virtually any and all USA working people with a minimal "economic participartion".

    Or worst case scenario in his POV, he realized might had nuclear-Armagaddoned the whole private / consumer Credit industry. After virtually all economically active people in the USA has been compromised there are little ways for any agencies to vet credit worthiness anymore at a low cost way for numerous years. Then the damage flow down to all Financial institutions (who can'teven know who is who and can't decide whether to even do business with eager customers) and to less extent, all employers and other individuals (like landlords), and the whole financial market will either need a total overhaul or suffer a meltdown............ Possibly a total overhaul AFTER meltdown. At that point, he should fear for his life and flee... cough I mean retire to a tropical island and stepping down from CEO and fleeing from the burning house known as Equifax is a prudent start.

  7. He should not be allowed to resign by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Funny

    but made to stay there and face the music. As it is he will just run and become CEO of some other outfit that he will also fail to manage properly.

    1. Re:He should not be allowed to resign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > face the music

      Too bad they already fired their CSO. That's one thing she might actually be qualified for. Being a liberal arts music major and all ...

    2. Re:He should not be allowed to resign by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He'll probably get enough of a payoff that he doesn't need to work ever again.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:He should not be allowed to resign by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      How do you stop someone from resigning? I know you can penalize them, but I am curious how you not allow them to resign.

  8. Conspiracy time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Asia-Pacific head was named the interim CEO because it was an inside job by Chinese interests to maintain leverage over the US consumers, and there are still a few loose ends that need to be cleaned up. Look for a move of HQ and many assets off-shore soon.

    1. Re:Conspiracy time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting assessment...

  9. Toughing It Out by ytene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those people not actually serving on the board [or boards] of a top multinational company, the environment experienced [enjoyed?] by those at the top will be utterly alien. Like high political office, the principle motivators are going to be power and money - and as much of both as possible.

    When the news of the breach became public, the Board of Directors likely knew that there would be scalps. It is not clear if the trading of shares by some of their number [between the breach being discovered and being made public] was common knowledge or not.

    However, we should not be surprised to see the Chief Executive ask the CIO and CSO to step down. The aim of anyone operating at a CxO or board level is to minimise disruption. The more executives that get fired, the worse the message being sent to shareholders and clients - something which will directly impact the CEO in their pocket, because, of course, they are major shareholders thanks to their "packages"...

    So although it looks to us, from the outside, as though the CEO threw two of his former colleagues "under the bus" [and I am sure there are cases where office politics makes that the expedient thing to do] there is an equal chance that they were simply trying to protect themselves. When the decision to fire these two former colleagues was made, the CEO was obviously hoping that they could weather the storm and continue to collect their fat pay check for a bit longer. In fact - given the nature of megalomania that seems to infect board rooms these days, they were no doubt planning how to use this to their advantage by demanding "stretch objectives" tied to their next bonus that included strengthening their IT and Security disciplines - which they would then claim to have achieved by simply hiring someone else...

    Lastly, the final possible reason for the CEO asking for these resignations / firing these former colleagues, is to try and head off any form of criminal sanction. If we remember back to the accounting scandals at Enron, the scale of the malpractice there was sufficient for the Sarbanes-Oxley act to be introduced. This act includes provisions for mandatory jail time for CEOs and board level management/directors if it is found that a company is materially mis-representing their financial position, or failing to adequately disclose risks. It is highly likely that there will be attempts at shareholder lawsuits in the wake of this incident, since investors will argue that they would not have invested in the company had they known about the poor security practices that led to the breach.

    All of this takes this to the weird situation in which it is likely that other CEOs, CIOs, CTOs across corporate America would actually be encouraging the termination of these three Equifax executives. Their reason will be self-preservation. If these three decided to tough it out, their belligerence could easily be what is necessary to force a US legislator to propose tightening the laws in a way that increases the legal liability on directors and senior management of publicly traded companies. This is the very last thing that other CxOs want to see happen - so from their perspective the Equifax incident must "stop the rot". We could summarize their view as, "Don't tip the gravy train off the tracks... Go quiet for a couple of months and then someone will offer you some executive directorships..."

    Amid the clamour demanding that "something must be done", a termination or resignation is going to infinitely preferable to jail time.

  10. Licka paint here, new name there, good as new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way one of these scammers will go out of business is if they lose the data, as in lose access to it, not just have a leak.

  11. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "...equifax will close its doors and rename and retool..."

    Why not, they've done it before and gotten away with it. Retail Credit Company renamed itself Equifax after a series of scandals, including extortion and bribery, brought them in front of Congress, which led to the Fair Credit Reporting Act of 1970. Equifax was the specific target.
    A few executives ending up in Prison, or perhaps retiring, due to accidents while they were cleaning their guns, would be a good start to the flushing down of these Institutional Assholes.
    I even hope that Richard Smith's Family ends up on the street giving blowjobs to hobos. They can't be that oblivious to his character, notwithstanding the example of the current and temporary occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

  12. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >like arthur andersen becoming Accenture amid the Enron scandal

    Accenture split from Arthur Anderson and was initially called Anderson Consulting. AC was the useful (and profitable) part of the company. I don't think they split from AA because of Enron.

  13. Wow, That's a Lot of Millions by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Sure would suck for him if anyone stole his identity information.

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  14. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Andersen. GP got it right - don't they even teach you how to copy at DeVry?

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  15. Some people claim it's "responsibility", but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe that's called "getting out while the getting's good".
    Also known as, "leaving the suckers in the dust".

  16. Job offer ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send me a job offer for the CIO

    These guys have no clue.

    Patches, testing, reading patch notes, vulnerabilities.

    All the stuff LifeLock offers should be done by Equifax for all customers at no charge for the next decade

    Plus it sounds like even if I screw up the benefits are awesome

  17. Lesson learned by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can screw over 143.000.000 people without any issue, but when you screw over a few people with insider trading info, you are going to jail.
    Also see that asswipe that increased prices for medicine times 900. Steal from the poor, not an issue. Steal from the rich, we have laws against that.

    But I guess that giving power and money to the 1% is the only alternative of not becoming a socialist, because that would be worse, right? (That was sarcasm)

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    1. Re:Lesson learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I guess that giving power and money to the 1% is the only alternative of not becoming a socialist . . .

      Except becoming socialist gives all the power and money to the less than 1% known as the government. Men in government are no more noble than men in private industry. If anything, government may attract the less noble because government wields the power to coerce. That's not the case with free markets, where you aren't forced to do or purchase anything and where government participates only to protect against fraud.

      . . . because that would be worse, right? (That was sarcasm)

      Yes, socialism has proven to be a failure time and again. See China, Russia, and Cuba for more high-profile examples. Venezuela is falling apart before our very eyes as the people starve and professionals, like doctors and teachers, cross the border to Columbia to prostitute themselves to feed their families. Socialism is an ugly, self-destructive system that's incompatible with freedom and results in catastrophe every time it's tried.

      While free-market capitalism isn't perfect (no system or thing on Earth is), it's the best system known to man, as demonstrated by the success of the United States as a country and any other country that embraces a freedom-based economy with market principles.

  18. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by lokedhs · · Score: 2
    People going to jail over this? I'm glad you are hopeful, but history has shown that this is very unlikely to happen.

    The only reason people went to jail over Enron is because rich people lost money over it. That didn't happen here.

  19. "hacking scandal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    note that it's a "hacking scandal" not a culture of ignoring basic data security practices

    1. Re: "hacking scandal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wouldn't be a scandal if they weren't so incompetent for it to happen in the first place and if they weren't so obtuse in their reactions.

  20. step down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That wasnt stepping down, That was jumping out of the way of a 143million pound freight train thats about to hit...

  21. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They split up in 1989 (sort of, it was a very complex arrangement with a bizarre profit sharing arrangement), but didn't change their name to Accenture until 2000 - previously the Andersen Consulting name was used and it was considered to be a valuable asset. In 2000 at work, I retrieved one of the Accenture presentations from the printer whilst getting my own document. The last page said in large, bold type: "Under no circumstances mention that until last year we were called Andersen Consulting:"

    So while they may not have been involved functionally, they were very much involved reputationally.

  22. Is that all? by quonset · · Score: 1

    He steps down after selling his stock before it was announced tens of millions of people's personal information was compromised.

    Where are the lawsuits against him? When will the SEC file insider trading charges against him and the rest of the executives who sold their stock? Where are the calls for him to be drawn and quartered?

    I have said this on my other places regarding this story: no one at the top will pay a price for this breach. No one will go to jail. No one will have to give back the money they made selling their stock. Whatever fine Equifax will have to pay will be insignificant. All we will hear is how Equifax takes the security of people's information seriously.

  23. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Publicly traded Company. This is covered under Sarbanes-Oxley. The two that "resigned" and the CEO signed SEC documents that with what has happened can land them in prison for a bit over it. Might want to look under what happens when you make certifications about things that you should be disclosing on your form 10-Q filings and didn't, because this was a reportable risk item. Not just the break in, but the weakening/failure of fiduciary duty and due diligence on security for this data. A CSO shouldn't be just a "manager" at this level and they should've disclosed the risk of someone without the right backgrounds being in that gig. The CIO should've red-flagged this to the BoD and didn't. That also should've been reported unde SBOX. It very much wasn't.

  24. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by swb · · Score: 2

    My guess that the CEO and the other top officials (CIO, CSO) probably mutually negotiated an orchestrated exit strategy. The CEO was probably necessary to grease the skids of the exit plans for the CIO & CSO, while the CEO's golden parachute only required pre-approval by the board and could be deployed at any time.

    So in a mood of mutual defense and at the risk of mutual destruction, they coordinated a strategy that left them all leaving with maximum exit packages and minimizing personal liability. They kind of beat the prison's dilemma scenario, where one of them could have potentially flipped on the other, but they were rational enough to recognize it made no sense to throw accusations and just pay everybody off.

    I'd imagine that speeches were given to the board that all of it was in the best interest of the corporation because fighting their packages would have resulted in turmoil and damaging accusations of negligence.

  25. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Informative

    None of that will happen none. This guy will quietly disappear to his multi-million dollar estate until the general public mostly forgets his name. After which point he will decide if he wants to come out of retirement or not, if he chooses to go back to work a buddy of his will invite him to buy into a seat on a board of directors somewhere where he can start drawing a nice salary and quickly recoup his investment in the stock he had to buy.

    That is how this works. Enron was only different because it literally resulting in massive job losses localized to a few communities, and the lights had to be turned off in some buildings. Finally a bunch of public pensions got hit by that one. It was impossible for the public to ignore those things some nobles had to actually be sacrificed. Wont happen this time because nobody can really even show they were specifically damaged by these breaches.

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  27. CEO = head cheerleader by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    I don't know if everyone understands this, but board-level executives at large companies don't do much beyond promoting the company and "providing vision." They rely on their army of foot soldiers to do the actual work, so none of them are actually involved in daily operations. It only makes sense that the CIO and CSO were sacrificial lambs, and now the CEO as well. It's what you sign up for in these positions. Your job consists of making a few key decisions after seeing 3 options provided by a management consultant, running around the world speaking and doing CxO things, collecting a huge salary and perks package, and cheerleading for the company. (And, most big-company executives server on several corporate boards of directors.) The implied rule is that if something bad happens, it might be your turn to be scapegoat...which is fine because you'll be paid a severance package and can just jump to the next company.

    The interesting thing is that scandals like this are going to be a huge win for the cloud promoters... "Look at Equifax, even they can't keep their data safe. Our cloud is way safer." And with most CIOs I know being risk minimizers, write-a-check outsourcers and unable to listen to their underlings, cloud providers will see a huge benefit.

    1. Re:CEO = head cheerleader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where does one apply for that? I seem to have been qualified, maybe over qualified, since about age 12.

  28. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or worst case scenario in his POV, he realized might had nuclear-Armagaddoned the whole private / consumer Credit industry.

    On a semi-related note as a non-American, I've always found the setup of the american credit rating system to be weird in the context of american individualism/consumer-culture. Like, I understand why these companies exist and why lenders want access to such data, but it's interesting to me that they're allowed to collect and maintain these databases and hand out information without any consent from the individuals. This to me goes very much against the principles of the free market, where the consumer himself should have control over which services he's using to handle his credit.

    Here in Finland we have a credit rating system that works so that credit rating companies only collect information on failed payments. That's, there's no 'positive' credit rating score for anyone, only negative marks on those who've failed to pay and have had a court order for the debt to be collected, or who're over 60 days late on payment. Once the debts have been successfully collected the entry is deleted in 2-5 years and the person again has a 'clean' credit rating. Banks and financial institutions can and do always check these records when they're processing a loan/credit application, but any further info like monthly income etc. has to be provided for them by the customer via their bank/employer.

    Of course this is slightly more tedious than the american system as in it takes more effort from the individual than the american model, but in so far as i can see this has 2 major benefits:
    1) It avoids weak points like this Equifax thing when sensitive information is not stored en mass by private companies but rather remains in the control of the consumer
    2) It doesn't encourage people to use credit as much. Granted, my understanding of the American model is limited, so I may be mistaken, but it's my understanding that in order to improve one's credit score in the US, many people buy stuff more on credit to get their score up even if they have money to pay out of pocket and could use a debit card.

    A sensible credit raring system in my opinion should not be encouraging people to take debt so that they can take more debt in the future, nor should it place such sensitive and valuable information to the hands of 3rd parties without consent.

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  29. Stepped Down ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Equifax voltage too high ... doesn't seem so. The Kings traditional solution to this behavior - - "draw and quarter" - - would be more forthright. Likewise - - "nailed to city gate" - - ah for the good 'ol dayz.

  30. Fixed it for you. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    and any other decisions regarding how his departure has been characterized or how much the company owes him will be deferred until [snip]the board completes an independent review of the breach and the response to it[/snip]

    unitl the media shitstorm blows over and he can be marked a non-insider so that the details of the golden parachute can be hidden from the public view for ever citing privacy laws.

    Fixed it for you.

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  31. Re: Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's m by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Are you sure about that? As a citizen, I've had to deal with credit rating agencies in Europe and they seem to work pretty much the same way. Most of them are public, and there's some private ones too.

    Only the Nordic countries have a public negative-only rating system but private systems have slowly become available since they joined the EU.

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  32. The banks and lenders are the true culprits. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    There should be market for our personal details. There should be no one interested in knowing our social security number or our dates of birth or our mothers' maiden names. Why is there a market for it? Why is it so valuable to criminals?

    It is because the banks want to lend without checking and when the face a loss they want to blame someone else. How can you reasonably expect me to make sure no one in this whole damned world masquerades as me in some unknown state with some unknown lending institutions?

    Technically if the bank sues me, without actual proof that it was really me who borrowed and defaulted, they will lose in court, and probably liable for my court costs as well, and be open to libel too. But they don't sue us, they just report "this SSN, this name, this address, borrowed and defaulted on the loan" to the credit reporting agencies. Now the onus is on me to prove "it was not really me, but someone else". This is how they shifted the blame, reduced their costs, and they lend with impunity.

    In no other country these personal details are so valuable. The only solution is to render this information useless. We need to get precedence set. Banks can not claim "XYZ defaulted on a loan" without actual proof that it was really XYZ not someone claiming to be XYZ. Else they are liable for libel and they should be penalized heavily.

    Only when details of our personal life is useless in obtaining money from the banks, the identity theft will stop.

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    1. Re:The banks and lenders are the true culprits. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      There should be market for our personal details. There should be no one interested in knowing our social security number or our dates of birth or our mothers' maiden names. Why is there a market for it? Why is it so valuable to criminals?

      When my identity was stolen, the criminals opened up a Capital One card in my name using a web application form. They had my name, address, SSN, and date of birth. What they didn't have was my mother's maiden name. They put down something that wasn't even close to being right. Capital One approved the card anyway. So much for mother's maiden name being a "security question."

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    2. Re:The banks and lenders are the true culprits. by ytene · · Score: 1

      and in many countries they could have identified your Mother's maiden name if they knew your date of birth, because the Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths is now typically on line...

  33. Expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically their lawyers are advising them that anyone who thinks they might be held accountable needs to retire asap.

    Gotta lock in those retirement / pension benefits before the mean old Justice Department tries to take it from them.

  34. not much of a position by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Who would want to be their new CEO, considering the title pretty much just means "the guy that will need to testify to Congress while the company is torn apart by class action suits".

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  35. Sorry, but you are completely wrong. by ytene · · Score: 2

    I am no fan of banks or lenders, but in this specific case I have to say you are wrong. Completely wrong.

    The reason that banks demand so much information from you if you want to open and account, or borrow money, or have a credit or debit card, is because the governments recognise that opening false accounts using fake identities is one of the best methods of laundering money from criminal schemes. So, for example, the United States Government demands that anyone operating in the US must comply with OFAC Screening requirements, [ OFAC = Office of Foreign Assets Control] because it was discovered that vast amounts of stolen or otherwise illegal money was washing through the US banking system...

    Any bank or lender in the US that *fails* to demand really good proof of identity could be prosecuted by the Federal Government and suffer sanctions up to and including the loss of their banking license.


    You also state that "The only solution is to render this information useless. We need to get precedence set. Banks can not claim "XYZ defaulted on a loan" without actual proof that it was really XYZ not someone claiming to be XYZ. Else they are liable for libel and they should be penalized heavily."

    The problem with this statement is that what you are implicitly asking for is a hypothetical situation in which banks have some "other" means of "knowing" you. Fifty years ago, loans were offered to companies and individuals because they were literally known by the manager of the lending branch of the bank. Personal banking relationships were important because that was the way the world did business. Today, with on-line applications and risk-score-based loan decisions, the world has abandoned those principles. Instead, then, the bank needs to have a way of validating your identity, so that it can know with certainty who you are. [ And, incidentally, one reason this is crucial is it stops an individual from borrowing more than they can afford to repay by creating false identities - a risk that could put a lot of banks out of business].

    Yet by demanding that banks find a way of validating the identity of creditors "without" recourse to personally identifiable information of this kind, you are actually implicitly opening a door to ever-more intrusive spying and monitoring of individuals by faceless corporations. And/or you are opening the door to the introduction of mandatory ID cards.

    I dislike the idea of identity theft being used to defraud banks of money, because all the legitimate clients - like me - end up paying in the long run. But if your only solution is that I have to give up personal privacy and other personal freedoms [such as the right to anonymity] in return for cheaper banking, then I will pay a little more. At the end of the day we are all going to have a different preference on a question like this, but you have to think of the big picture and understand the full context of a situation before making decisions on this sort of thing...

  36. Drawn & Quartered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inept bastard

  37. Actually.. by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    He didn't step down. Building security were inattentive and he was stolen.

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  38. Wish I could screw up massively by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    so much so that the company will be tits up before long, then get $18 million for leaving plus another $17 million from selling my stock 2 days before it cratered due to my own bad decisions. All while suffering virtually no consequences. Must be nice to be a member of the ruling class. They sure take care of their own (unlike us working class stiffs, who spent the last two weeks arguing over who's gonna pay for health care).

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  39. Re: like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid sca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, Dr Pedant, for your learned and enlightening commentary.

  40. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by trytoguess · · Score: 1

    Actually, as weird as it may seem, the way to raise your credit score in the US is to have the potential to borrow money, but not use it. For example, lets say two people have a credit card with a max limit of $10,000. The person who only borrows $100 each month will have a higher credit score than someone who borrowers $10,000 every month.

  41. Re: Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's m by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    How charmingly naive. Upper class people don't go to jail. Rest assured, the millions rotting in the Gulag are all plebs like us.

  42. Step Down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should be personally liable.

  43. Re:like Arthur Andersen became Accenture amid scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks- info and twist of fate found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen for both. same umbrella, probably same sloppiness.

  44. Viral campaign for the next Mr.Robot season by Maavin · · Score: 1

    possibly...

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  45. But only after.... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    ....dumping more company stock at a predetermined price, right? I hope that frees up his time to stand trial and spend time in jail for screwing an entire nation. Allthouigh, I bet Trump will pardon him anyway.....

  46. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    There is also one other distinction here is relevant. The Enron guys criminality was the proximate cause of that incident. They were cooking the books. With these breach the criminals are the third party hackers. Its possible the CXOs violated some SEC rules by selling stock before disclosure but that wasn't the cause of the breach....

    Unless it was. I really can see this entire thing being a kind of a reverse-pump-and-dump. The stocks are certain to take a big hit on the breach announce and will probably recover to previous levels, the fundamentals having not really changes and the impacted consumers not really being the customer and having little recourse. So sell high, buy back low...

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  47. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Agreed - the whole IT department should go to jail

  48. in related news... by swschrad · · Score: 1

    it is reported that the ex-CEO of Equifax has had his name changed to Bambi Dancer, the SSN changed to 666-666-6666, and his bank accounts have been emptied. chuckling computer experts we contacted said, "aw, geez, poor guy. how'd that happen?"

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  49. Re:Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's mi by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    A key component of the Prisoner's Dilemma is that the "prisoners" can't communicate with each other. If they can, then it's easy to agree to collude and beat the "cops", as you describe here.

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  50. Really? by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Just business-as-usual then Slashdot? Nothing about the massive outage over the past three days?

    Nothing at all?

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  51. Re: Did extent of damage finally sink into CEO's m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't report a risk they don't even know. In this case incompetence, firings, and resignations might be all they need to get out of jail free. Sucks for us.