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High Sierra's Disk Utility Does Not Recognize Unformatted Disks (tinyapps.org)
macOS 10.13's Disk Utility 17.0 (1626) does not recognize raw drives, reads a blog post, shared by several readers. From the post: Diskutil does recognize the drive. We'll use it to perform a quick, cursory format (e.g., diskutil eraseDisk JHFS+ NewDisk GPT disk0) to make the disk appear in Disk Utility, where further modifications can more easily be made. Plugging in an unformatted external drive produces the usual alert, "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer. Initialize... | Ignore | Eject", but clicking Initialize just opens Disk Utility without the disk appearing. There's an option in Disk Utility to view "all devices," but clicking that doesn't show raw disks, the blog post adds.
Apple assumes everyone gets everything from Apple. And Apple would never sell a device that was not prepared at the factory.
How do you expect to format a drive to make it appear when you can't make it appear to format the drive?
Do people think about this kind of thing anymore?
You're holding it wrong?
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on again?
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My CP/M system wouldn't read unformatted 8" floppys back in 1982.
It took a day to get the right data sheets and write my own formatter in assembler.
Damn kids today can't do anything.
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and pro hardware (imac pro) you can't change the disk easily or even with some basic repair work. Having to unglue and reglue a screen is far from easy.
no the hardware went thin for looks and easy disk swapping was cut. Also apple can't have uses using cheaper non apple m2 pci-e ssds.
This may be a sign that the ARM macs with have no finder and be app store only.
jcr, if you're reading this discussion, can you please comment on what's being claimed by the parent?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen comments from you (like this one, and this one, and this one) which make me think you've spent a lot of time working at Apple at some point.
So what's the reality? What is actually going on? Is the parent's comment accurate?
Apple used to make their own operating systems before Mac OS X. Mac OS 9 and earlier were truly innovative, not Unix clones, and written in Pascal instead of C.
The decline of Apple happened long ago when they stopped innovating and started selling polished ripoffs of prior work done at Berkeley and NeXT.
Complete nonsense, imac's dont have glued in screens at all, they are held in place by a magnetic interference fit and can be removed in under a minute with a sucker clamp. The HD is then easily accessible and replaceable. It has been this way since the first Aluminium unibody imacs 10 years ago. Imac's are very easy to work on.
It takes real vision and leadership to make your OS ignore unformatted disks.
What? Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland was aborted. It was very uncertain whether or not Apple would even survive. OSX, even in it's initial craptastic state, was welcome relief.
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I do not have that issue. I zeroed the drive before clean installing and Disk Utility had no issue.
It is not a ripoff when OS X is a continuation of the NeXT operating system. In fact you could say that Apple was bought by NeXT for really cheap.
Think about it; Steve Jobs was the CEO of NeXT, then NeXT bought the Apple branding, then NeXT sold their operating system as Mac OS X together with new hardware designed after they bought the Apple brand.
Just use some shitty old windoze or linsux box to init the drive and you are done. The nice thing about the Apple ecosystem is that they do "cloud" right, so using local drives is stupid and pointless now anyway.
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Maybe I missed the warning, but I thought, why not convert my USB connected Time Machine drive to APFS... the conversion is allowed in Disk Utility, so I started it up. After a looonnnnggggg time (more than 6 hours, but less than 21 hours) it completed. And Time Machine says "Where is my backup disk?" It's right there, same name and everything, just APFS. OK, when checking disk selected, I see my disk a second time in the list, so I choose that. TM tells me that I need to erase the disk. Well, I really don't have anything much on this machine, so sure, let's erase it and start over. Only after it is erased, TM says it can't find the disk. NICE! So that's where that stands. Maybe I am having issues due to older hardware (the MacBook Pro still has an optical drive, for ghod's sake!) or something else, but I think that Time Machine is borked when it comes to APFS drives, at least USB ones (can't check any other's- or maybe I could partition the SSD and try to use the second partition for TM? hmm, something to try.
It just works
Yes yes I'm old enough to remember when Apple announced plans to skip version 9 and go straight from Mac OS 8 to Mac OS X. Then they released a 9 anyway.
You know what? Forget the number 9. The point is Mac OS was not Unix based. It was unique technology developed from scratch by Apple. Apple doesn't do that sort of thing anymore. Apple does not make their own OS.
The massive brain drain is not recent. It began when Apple stopped making their own OS.
To my knowledge the iMac Pro isn't available yet, so I would like to see the source that says the screen is glued to the chassis, preventing access to the drives.
I ran into this exact problem today. Clicking "Initialize..." did nothing, with the drive not showing up in Disk Utility.
Turned the enclosure off and back on, and clicked "Ignore." Disk came right up in the Utility without issues, and I was able to get it working from there.
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It is not a ripoff
Tell me exactly when Apple acquired the University of California at Berkeley. Tell me exactly when Apple acquired AT&T Bell Labs.
You don't know what you're talking about.
So a minor bug in an Apple specific disk utility software is newsworthy? I'm going to start posting news about bugs in parted now.
Imac pro has been confirmed to have the same 5k screen as the 27" imac. Which like all imac screens is a magnetic fit.
Stop telling lies Joe. We know you talk constant sheyt but just once can you give it a rest.
So assuming it's an enclosure with a 2.5 or even 3.5" drive in it, some of their controllers can't initialize a drive even in Windows because they're too simplistic and outdated. I've ran into this before and now I only get Orico USB 3.0 ones because I randomly tried them and they work. I wouldn't necessarily blame the utility but it may just be the enclosure and yes, store-bought externals can have the same problem.
The disk utility used to be really good, you could make bootable USB flash drives from ISO's but it seems to have been neutered these days.
but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
The disk will then change its form (=reformat) and eventually erase old data.
Pro tip: run command `top' to quickly get to the peak of High Sierra.
Just buy a new 200GB drive from Apple, it will be partitioned and formatted for you, for a mere $699.
In other words, because you don't know, you just spout nonsense?
I tried a clean install on VMWare recently, and thought something was wrong with VMWare. It turns out that not finding the disk image was macOS's problem. This was driving me crazy.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+Retina+5K+Display+Teardown/30260
See Step 4.
I found this out when doing a clean install of High Sierra, so you fall back to your command line utilities and soldier on.
Actually, since around 2014 the Imacs don't use the magnet system anymore...
Teardown of 2014 Imac from ifixit
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2544+Teardown/11936
Correcting myself, make that 2012!
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2544+Teardown/11936
Not for the last couple of years. I don't know why they got away from it, but it sure was nice.
Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland was aborted.
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display. There's nothing innovative about playing catchup. Besides, the only meaningful new features they implemented even for MacOS in 7 were scalable fonts and virtual memory, and those had been around in other operating systems for some time. There were lots of other minor changes from System 6 (like moving away from font suitcases) but those were the only big ones. The only other really cool MacOS feature wasn't even an OS feature, though it was made possible by MacOS 7's virtual memory support: Ram Doubler, aka compressed swap. This has only recently become a Linux kernel feature. It was very, very cool back then.
NeXTStep was fairly innovative, in its day; use Unix underpinnings to provide a Macintosh-level ease of use experience, and object embedding to provide desktop functionality which had never been seen before. And then Apple made it slow and ruined its device independence because they didn't want to license Postscript for display PS and the rest is... well, the present.
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/el-capitan-disk-utility-3634604/
Shit changes like that are why I haven't moved to anything newer. At the time there were articles about how to get the older, full featured, Disk Utility to run under El Capitan. Can that older version still be made to run in Sierra and High Sierra?
Apple is about as closed end as you can get in technology. If your all in with Apple stuff your fine. If you step outside that your really not guaranteed anything.
This is the issues that Apple users have faced for a long time.
I'm old enough to remember when Apple announced plans to skip version 9 and go straight from Mac OS 8 to Mac OS X. Then they released a 9 anyway.
Then your memory is failing.
Apple announced Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 at the same time (I believe at WWDC '98). Mac OS 9 was available as stand-alone on Macs sold in that time frame as well as having code to handle running under Mac OS X.
Needless to say, Mac OS X got most of the press. But I don't believe there was ever not going to be a Mac OS 9.
I think you've confused Slashdot with Apple's issue tracker. Submit the bug to Apple at https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/
And I don't believe it's a "problem" either, encrypted or any hard drive that's been used by a server (eg. as a raw volume for object storage systems) shows up as "uninitialized" when you plug them in but you also don't want a quick link to destroy the data on it.
The only way to inspect the disk properly is to use the underlying Unix utilities where you then perhaps can see there is data on it, and yes, you can still destroy the data on it using command line.
You can delete the data from Disk Utility, but it requires you to partition the disk first and then reformat the partitions, it's fairly similar to how fdisk works.
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Ridiculous. Mac OS X Server was released before Mac OS 9, and its classic environment ran Mac OS 8 because Mac OS 9 didn't exist. There wasn't going to be any Mac OS 9 except Apple needed to release something in the two years it took to finish the consumer grade Mac OS X 10.0.
Since you love to talk shit about Apple constantly, what is a better desktop OS than OSX? Windows? Linux? Because no matter what your answer is I can come up with dozens of reasons why you're wrong.
but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
The iMac RAM door is on the back, now.
Don't discount the "hidden" OS compatibility layers. Carbon, Blue and Yellow boxes mean a great deal (and Carbon lurks today). This was all an in-house effort, AFAIK. Behind the veneer, the old Openstep code has morphed and evolved again. Swift and all the new Core classes and portable Kits where always the roadmap for the future. There's no going back.
Had a horrible flashback to HD SC Setup and non-Apple branded disks.
By the looks of several stores I have been in recently Valentines Day is the next major holiday. Shelves filled with candy filled hearts and signage for February 14th.
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display.
Process Manager in System 7 was a refactor of MultiFinder, which was in System 6.
The only other really cool MacOS feature wasn't even an OS feature, though it was made possible by MacOS 7's virtual memory support: Ram Doubler, aka compressed swap. This has only recently become a Linux kernel feature.
I guess zram was waiting for the patent to run out.
You're an idiot. My 2015 iMac has adhesive all over the damned screen holding it in place. They all do.
imac's dont have glued in screens at all
Apple have been gluing the imac's screen since 2012.
Big difference between the 21.5 entry level and the 27" iMacs. Replaceable memory for a start. The entry level ones are strictly get what you pay for.
You people are sad.
imac pro will not have that.
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it has been since at least 2012 ...
that is how old mine is!
You might be able to come up with reasons why you prefer Apple, but the choice isn't objective. I happen to be perfectly satisfied with Linux. Well...that's not true, I'd prefer gnome2 over the KDE desktop I currently have, but Mate isn't as good....
That's written as if it were an objective choice, but it isn't. I've got my preferred way of doing things, and that's my preference. Nothing says you should have the same preferences. I do happen to think that gnome3 is objectively worse than gnome2, but there are those that disagree with me. The choice of Mate vs KDE vs gnome2, however, is driven by personal choices. They all have flaws, but the ones in KDE bother *me* less.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I used both System 9 and OSX 10.1. OSX was dramatically better. I did keep the System 9 emulation package around because some things, like the tiff encoder, kept needing it. But honestly, I tried to avoid it as much as possible.
That said, there may have been some ways in which System 9 was better than OSX, I'm just not familiar with any of them.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Pancreatic cancer is almost always untreatable by the time it is detected. It's probable that his choice of alternative medicine caused an early death, but likely he chose it because he was told that the standard treatment meant preparing to die, so he went after a long chance. (Admittedly, I don't know his personal beliefs, but I also don't trust the news reports that much. They are processed for entertainment value.)
OTOH, it's quite difficult for someone even similar to him to pick a suitable replacement. I can't at the moment think of any historical example where that has happened. Certainly not at HP. IBM wasn't ever lead by someone of the same stripe, despite how Watson has been idolized in later times.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
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Complete nonsense, imac's dont have glued in screens at all, they are held in place by a magnetic interference fit and can be removed in under a minute with a sucker clamp. The HD is then easily accessible and replaceable. It has been this way since the first Aluminium unibody imacs 10 years ago. Imac's are very easy to work on.
What a moron. Apple has been gluing down the screens of iMacs since at least 2012.
I seem to recall lots and lots of complaining about the loss of the spacial Finder. And Quark people all obsessed with their workflows.
Funny at the time I'd been trying Linux on a Quadra 8500, and then installed Mac OS X 10.0 and never looked back.
And it was also the time when Mac people were always complaining that Macs are so superior to PCs (I used Macs myself) but when I finally realised what a modern OS was like, I felt something of a mug -- Apple had seriously inflicted collective brain damage on its users in continuing with OS 9 for so long, whilst it fretted over whether this or that routine was reentrant or not.
At least now I can say I prefer Unix to Windows.
imac pro will not have that.
You are correct. I stand corrected. Although the cutaway graphics show what appear to be standard RAM sockets Inside; so maybe just not "easily upgradeable" RAM...
We won't really know until iFixit gets out their heat-gun... ;-)
Put a new Samsung 850 SSD in a 2010 iMac yesterday and came across this issue. Checking it just now, the option seems to be in the View menu, select Show All Devices. Show Only Volumes is the default and if selected a new drive (with no formatted volumes on it) will not show up. I can only hope that this default view gets changed in an update, on account of it being idiotic as it stands.
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Not for the last couple of years. I don't know why they got away from it, but it sure was nice.
That's why they got away from it.
OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset. In fact, one had to reboot their Mac every 2-3 hours because their OS was so unstable. These were Apple's dark ages, because all but really dedicated people left the Mac platform either because they could get more work done on Windows, or the fact that they could do some cool tinkering on Linux. If it were not for NeXTStep, Apple likely would not have survived, or if so, it would have been in some diminished capacity (like being bought out by Sun.)
Apple can innovate, but historically, they tend to go into markets after the original pioneers have dealt with the slings and arrows. Had Apple stepped into the MP3 market any sooner, they would have to battle the RIAA on RIAA's turf, and the iPod would be a completely different offering, if it didn't get stomped out of existance. Diamond's Pyrrhic victory was a stepping stone for Apple to get into that market.
It would be nice for Apple to get back into "bread and butter" computing. Apple used to be a one stop shop, where if one had an problem, they could call Apple to deal with everything from the printer, monitor, OS, hardware, and even the application. No finger pointing to vendors who point the finger right back. I know there would be a market if Apple would start selling "everyday" devices again. Things like a Time Capsule with two drives for RAID, a decent laser printer/scanner/copier, or a hardened server designed where IoT devices communicated with it, and it would allow/deny communication, as a way to keep remote attackers at bay, especially if it could use Z-wave.
Apple could even make money by making their own removable media format for backups (perhaps licensing Sony's optical formats or high density tape formats) , and it would sell well.
Complete nonsense, imac's dont have glued in screens at all, they are held in place by a magnetic interference fit and can be removed in under a minute with a sucker clamp. The HD is then easily accessible and replaceable. It has been this way since the first Aluminium unibody imacs 10 years ago. Imac's are very easy to work on.
Recent iMacs are glued (very sticky adhesive tape), and are very difficult to remove the screen from in order to get to the hard drive. It is not an easy task by any means.
At least the 27" models have a RAM access door, but hard drive access is nigh impossible.
OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset.
That's not preemptive multitasking -- that's cooperative multitasking. OS X is preemptive.
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I stand corrected. Meant cooperative multitasking... a quality of UNIX since bygone times. Thank you.
Typo city. tl;dr Preemptive multitasking is what made OS X a major step for Apple, and a major improvement. Applications made from System 1-7 and macOS 8-9 had to be extremely well coded, or else they would take down the entire machine.
Guessing you mean a Power Mac 8500? There was a Quadra 850 but no 8500.