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High Sierra's Disk Utility Does Not Recognize Unformatted Disks (tinyapps.org)
macOS 10.13's Disk Utility 17.0 (1626) does not recognize raw drives, reads a blog post, shared by several readers. From the post: Diskutil does recognize the drive. We'll use it to perform a quick, cursory format (e.g., diskutil eraseDisk JHFS+ NewDisk GPT disk0) to make the disk appear in Disk Utility, where further modifications can more easily be made. Plugging in an unformatted external drive produces the usual alert, "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer. Initialize... | Ignore | Eject", but clicking Initialize just opens Disk Utility without the disk appearing. There's an option in Disk Utility to view "all devices," but clicking that doesn't show raw disks, the blog post adds.
Apple assumes everyone gets everything from Apple. And Apple would never sell a device that was not prepared at the factory.
How do you expect to format a drive to make it appear when you can't make it appear to format the drive?
Do people think about this kind of thing anymore?
You're holding it wrong?
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on again?
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
My CP/M system wouldn't read unformatted 8" floppys back in 1982.
It took a day to get the right data sheets and write my own formatter in assembler.
Damn kids today can't do anything.
no the hardware went thin for looks and easy disk swapping was cut. Also apple can't have uses using cheaper non apple m2 pci-e ssds.
Complete nonsense, imac's dont have glued in screens at all, they are held in place by a magnetic interference fit and can be removed in under a minute with a sucker clamp. The HD is then easily accessible and replaceable. It has been this way since the first Aluminium unibody imacs 10 years ago. Imac's are very easy to work on.
What? Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland was aborted. It was very uncertain whether or not Apple would even survive. OSX, even in it's initial craptastic state, was welcome relief.
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Maybe I missed the warning, but I thought, why not convert my USB connected Time Machine drive to APFS... the conversion is allowed in Disk Utility, so I started it up. After a looonnnnggggg time (more than 6 hours, but less than 21 hours) it completed. And Time Machine says "Where is my backup disk?" It's right there, same name and everything, just APFS. OK, when checking disk selected, I see my disk a second time in the list, so I choose that. TM tells me that I need to erase the disk. Well, I really don't have anything much on this machine, so sure, let's erase it and start over. Only after it is erased, TM says it can't find the disk. NICE! So that's where that stands. Maybe I am having issues due to older hardware (the MacBook Pro still has an optical drive, for ghod's sake!) or something else, but I think that Time Machine is borked when it comes to APFS drives, at least USB ones (can't check any other's- or maybe I could partition the SSD and try to use the second partition for TM? hmm, something to try.
To my knowledge the iMac Pro isn't available yet, so I would like to see the source that says the screen is glued to the chassis, preventing access to the drives.
I ran into this exact problem today. Clicking "Initialize..." did nothing, with the drive not showing up in Disk Utility.
Turned the enclosure off and back on, and clicked "Ignore." Disk came right up in the Utility without issues, and I was able to get it working from there.
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So a minor bug in an Apple specific disk utility software is newsworthy? I'm going to start posting news about bugs in parted now.
but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
The disk will then change its form (=reformat) and eventually erase old data.
Pro tip: run command `top' to quickly get to the peak of High Sierra.
In other words, because you don't know, you just spout nonsense?
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Because Apple throws in a free windows or Linux PC with every MAC purchased? Fuck off.
Not for the last couple of years. I don't know why they got away from it, but it sure was nice.
Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland was aborted.
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display. There's nothing innovative about playing catchup. Besides, the only meaningful new features they implemented even for MacOS in 7 were scalable fonts and virtual memory, and those had been around in other operating systems for some time. There were lots of other minor changes from System 6 (like moving away from font suitcases) but those were the only big ones. The only other really cool MacOS feature wasn't even an OS feature, though it was made possible by MacOS 7's virtual memory support: Ram Doubler, aka compressed swap. This has only recently become a Linux kernel feature. It was very, very cool back then.
NeXTStep was fairly innovative, in its day; use Unix underpinnings to provide a Macintosh-level ease of use experience, and object embedding to provide desktop functionality which had never been seen before. And then Apple made it slow and ruined its device independence because they didn't want to license Postscript for display PS and the rest is... well, the present.
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/el-capitan-disk-utility-3634604/
Shit changes like that are why I haven't moved to anything newer. At the time there were articles about how to get the older, full featured, Disk Utility to run under El Capitan. Can that older version still be made to run in Sierra and High Sierra?
I'm old enough to remember when Apple announced plans to skip version 9 and go straight from Mac OS 8 to Mac OS X. Then they released a 9 anyway.
Then your memory is failing.
Apple announced Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 at the same time (I believe at WWDC '98). Mac OS 9 was available as stand-alone on Macs sold in that time frame as well as having code to handle running under Mac OS X.
Needless to say, Mac OS X got most of the press. But I don't believe there was ever not going to be a Mac OS 9.
Or just use fdisk and newfs if for some reason diskutil isn't working. Or dd /dev/zero over it for a few blocks first if things are still confused.
I forget if gpt is available or if that's built in to fdisk, there are so many different versions of fdisk out there each with their own peculiarities and bugs.
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Since you love to talk shit about Apple constantly, what is a better desktop OS than OSX? Windows? Linux? Because no matter what your answer is I can come up with dozens of reasons why you're wrong.
but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
The iMac RAM door is on the back, now.
Don't discount the "hidden" OS compatibility layers. Carbon, Blue and Yellow boxes mean a great deal (and Carbon lurks today). This was all an in-house effort, AFAIK. Behind the veneer, the old Openstep code has morphed and evolved again. Swift and all the new Core classes and portable Kits where always the roadmap for the future. There's no going back.
Had a horrible flashback to HD SC Setup and non-Apple branded disks.
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display.
Process Manager in System 7 was a refactor of MultiFinder, which was in System 6.
The only other really cool MacOS feature wasn't even an OS feature, though it was made possible by MacOS 7's virtual memory support: Ram Doubler, aka compressed swap. This has only recently become a Linux kernel feature.
I guess zram was waiting for the patent to run out.
imac's dont have glued in screens at all
Apple have been gluing the imac's screen since 2012.
imac pro will not have that.
Chill. It looks like a bug that will likely be fixed in the next os patch.
You might be able to come up with reasons why you prefer Apple, but the choice isn't objective. I happen to be perfectly satisfied with Linux. Well...that's not true, I'd prefer gnome2 over the KDE desktop I currently have, but Mate isn't as good....
That's written as if it were an objective choice, but it isn't. I've got my preferred way of doing things, and that's my preference. Nothing says you should have the same preferences. I do happen to think that gnome3 is objectively worse than gnome2, but there are those that disagree with me. The choice of Mate vs KDE vs gnome2, however, is driven by personal choices. They all have flaws, but the ones in KDE bother *me* less.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I used both System 9 and OSX 10.1. OSX was dramatically better. I did keep the System 9 emulation package around because some things, like the tiff encoder, kept needing it. But honestly, I tried to avoid it as much as possible.
That said, there may have been some ways in which System 9 was better than OSX, I'm just not familiar with any of them.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Pancreatic cancer is almost always untreatable by the time it is detected. It's probable that his choice of alternative medicine caused an early death, but likely he chose it because he was told that the standard treatment meant preparing to die, so he went after a long chance. (Admittedly, I don't know his personal beliefs, but I also don't trust the news reports that much. They are processed for entertainment value.)
OTOH, it's quite difficult for someone even similar to him to pick a suitable replacement. I can't at the moment think of any historical example where that has happened. Certainly not at HP. IBM wasn't ever lead by someone of the same stripe, despite how Watson has been idolized in later times.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I seem to recall lots and lots of complaining about the loss of the spacial Finder. And Quark people all obsessed with their workflows.
Funny at the time I'd been trying Linux on a Quadra 8500, and then installed Mac OS X 10.0 and never looked back.
And it was also the time when Mac people were always complaining that Macs are so superior to PCs (I used Macs myself) but when I finally realised what a modern OS was like, I felt something of a mug -- Apple had seriously inflicted collective brain damage on its users in continuing with OS 9 for so long, whilst it fretted over whether this or that routine was reentrant or not.
At least now I can say I prefer Unix to Windows.
imac pro will not have that.
You are correct. I stand corrected. Although the cutaway graphics show what appear to be standard RAM sockets Inside; so maybe just not "easily upgradeable" RAM...
We won't really know until iFixit gets out their heat-gun... ;-)
Put a new Samsung 850 SSD in a 2010 iMac yesterday and came across this issue. Checking it just now, the option seems to be in the View menu, select Show All Devices. Show Only Volumes is the default and if selected a new drive (with no formatted volumes on it) will not show up. I can only hope that this default view gets changed in an update, on account of it being idiotic as it stands.
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OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset. In fact, one had to reboot their Mac every 2-3 hours because their OS was so unstable. These were Apple's dark ages, because all but really dedicated people left the Mac platform either because they could get more work done on Windows, or the fact that they could do some cool tinkering on Linux. If it were not for NeXTStep, Apple likely would not have survived, or if so, it would have been in some diminished capacity (like being bought out by Sun.)
Apple can innovate, but historically, they tend to go into markets after the original pioneers have dealt with the slings and arrows. Had Apple stepped into the MP3 market any sooner, they would have to battle the RIAA on RIAA's turf, and the iPod would be a completely different offering, if it didn't get stomped out of existance. Diamond's Pyrrhic victory was a stepping stone for Apple to get into that market.
It would be nice for Apple to get back into "bread and butter" computing. Apple used to be a one stop shop, where if one had an problem, they could call Apple to deal with everything from the printer, monitor, OS, hardware, and even the application. No finger pointing to vendors who point the finger right back. I know there would be a market if Apple would start selling "everyday" devices again. Things like a Time Capsule with two drives for RAID, a decent laser printer/scanner/copier, or a hardened server designed where IoT devices communicated with it, and it would allow/deny communication, as a way to keep remote attackers at bay, especially if it could use Z-wave.
Apple could even make money by making their own removable media format for backups (perhaps licensing Sony's optical formats or high density tape formats) , and it would sell well.
OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset.
That's not preemptive multitasking -- that's cooperative multitasking. OS X is preemptive.
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I stand corrected. Meant cooperative multitasking... a quality of UNIX since bygone times. Thank you.
Typo city. tl;dr Preemptive multitasking is what made OS X a major step for Apple, and a major improvement. Applications made from System 1-7 and macOS 8-9 had to be extremely well coded, or else they would take down the entire machine.