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Microsoft Shutters Groove Music, Will Move Users To Spotify (techcrunch.com)

Microsoft announced today that it will soon shutter both its Groove Music Pass streaming service and the ability to purchase songs and albums in the Windows Store. The biggest surprise isn't that the service never took off, it's that Microsoft has partnered with Spotify to move all its Groove Music Pass customers over to Spotify. TechCrunch reports: Starting December 31, the Groove Music app will lose its features for streaming, purchasing and downloading music. Microsoft promises that moving to Spotify will be pretty seamless and that virtually all the songs and playlists that Groove users created over the years will transfer to the new service. Windows Insiders will be able to test this out with the next update, which is scheduled to roll out next week. Users will have until at least January 31, 2018 to make the move, though. For the most part, Spotify offers a superset of Groove's music catalog, so except for a few edge cases, there's no reason to believe that moving to Spotify would be a great loss for Groove Music Pass customers. And because Spotify is available on Windows Phone, too, even the few users still left on Microsoft's failed mobile platform won't miss out. As for Groove Music itself, Microsoft says the actual app won't go away anytime soon. It'll still be available for playing back and managing music that's stored locally.

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  1. Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Face it Microsoft, you absolutely suck at these "me too" offerings you keep doing.

    Microsoft really should stick to their core competencies instead of endlessly trying to rip off other people's products.

    Nobody wants these things from you, because you're terrible at them.

    1. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Face it Microsoft, you absolutely suck at these "me too" offerings you keep doing.

      Microsoft really should stick to their core competencies instead of endlessly trying to rip off other people's products.

      Nobody wants these things from you, because you're terrible at them.

      Microsoft was actually pretty early to the subscription music market with Zune Music Pass (which eventually morphed into Groove music), before most of the current major players had offering. But, it started out attached to the Zune so... yea.

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    2. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Me too" and then they close it and (9 times out of 10) leave people in the lurch, or 'completley fucked' with regards to the device/language/service/etc that they purchased with the expectation that it would last more than 2 years before being borked. They do it to languages, devices, and software products (mostly excluding windows itself)

      Actually, talking about their mobile failure would be the fact they managed to repeatedly piss off every fucking developer out there by continually moving the goalposts with the mobile OS in such a stupidly short space of time. I know plenty of developers who simply walked away from WinMo because of this. I think the last straw (which was the biggest promise) was project Astoria (android apps on winmo) which everyone was getting excited about, and actually worked, then it got canned. That was the last real day for Windows Phone. It died at that point.

      Hey ho Microsoft, nothing like *not* learning from your mistakes, repeatedly, like a hammer to the face.

    3. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And lets not mention the sidekick/danger mobile fiasco (and death). Embrace, and then reformat the backend SAN wasn't it?

      Pure incompetence.

    4. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the Xbox was an unmitigated disaster. Along with the Surface. And don't even get me started on Azure cloud.

    5. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never heard of the RROD red ring of death?

      You never heard of the insane return/defective/borked rate of surface tablets?

      Yep. Don't get started on Azure.

    6. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zune Music Pass turned into "Xbox Music" when THEN turned into "Groove". The problem was that 1) most people didn't even know about the service under ANY of it's name and 2) it wouldnt work with the devices consumers already own except for PCs and smartphones.

    7. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Zune Music Pass turned into "Xbox Music" when THEN turned into "Groove".

      So what you are saying is that it eventually morphed into Groove music. Thanks for clearing that up AC.

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    8. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Microsoft really should stick to their core competencies instead of endlessly trying to rip off other people's products.

      Umm, that is their core competency.

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    9. Re:Face it Microsoft ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it certainly has nothing to do with publishers charging $13 for two song EPs in the store.

  2. Is Bundling even effective anymore? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To me, the bigger question about this is the fact that Groove Music is the name of the music playing application that is bundled with Windows 10, and that Microsoft resets the file associations to every time there's a feature update. They clearly couldn't get any traction. Samsung tried to get a music service off the ground with their "Milk" service, which got discontinued last year. Apple still keeps the money flowing with iTunes, but they couldn't get Ping to take off. HTC had their contract with Beats, and that gained only a smidge of traction before Apple bought the brand.

    So, after everyone tried to launch an alternative to Pandora, Spotify, Amazon, iTunes, and technically Youtube...is it safe to say that the days of software taking off solely based on being bundled with hardware are over? I mean, I'm really hard pressed to come up with an application that "bundled its way to success" in the past decade, desktop or mobile.

    Is it safe to say that the days of market dominance via bundle are over, and by extension we can stop having software installed with hardware by default (especially the uninstallable kind)? Because I'm really sick of having to drop to Powershell to remove all of the unnecessary Windows 10 apps, or root my phone to get rid of all the thoroughly unnecessary Samsung software.

    1. Re:Is Bundling even effective anymore? by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      Milk was just skinned slacker radio, with radio only feature. I was a heavy slacker user but switched to Spotify when I could use spotibot, but now spotibot seems to no longer work. Slacker had offline radio which was great for the commute, so I could cache music. Spotify lets me do this with playlists, so thats comparable.

      Pandora and Slackrr didn't have a music catalog back then, just related music, which is good for discovery of related types of music, but very limiting on new artist browsing. Spotify allowed me to play related songs, then listen to the entire music catalog for artists that I have not heard before, thats a big win.
      I was able to find so many new artists, and yes, even buy their albums off amazon.

      Now Shazam saves my music in spotify as a playlsts.

      Spotify just kicks ass. But kinda pissed off GM showed Spotify app in the car play, but never deployed it. Just a pandora and sticher apps installed. In fact GM has let the music apps die in its infotainment system. Thank god for bluetooth with metadata.

    2. Re:Is Bundling even effective anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't done that since the 1990s. You must still be using Microsoft or Apple products.

    3. Re: Is Bundling even effective anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google/Android beats everyone when it comes to bundling.

    4. Re:Is Bundling even effective anymore? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and by extension we can stop having software installed with hardware by default (especially the uninstallable kind)?

      No and Yes. I think it's a horrible practice to deliver an empty useless device.

      But equally horrible is not being able to remove something you don't want.

  3. Oh! Just when I was fixing to ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was just about to buy a zune and squirt some music to a friends zune and get it up in groove using TruePlay (tm) ... they pull the plug....

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    1. Re:Oh! Just when I was fixing to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "PlaysForSure"

    2. Re:Oh! Just when I was fixing to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zune Music was without a doubt the best music service I ever used. It was $15 a month and that came with 10 free MP3s (and there were some really obscure albums that you couldn't even find to pirate on there, so it was worth it) plus unlimited streaming on something like 5 offline devices of a VERY nicely maintained catalog (very few albums with key songs missing, all but the most obscure albums had full 800x800 album art; I actually used to have a script that would scrape album art from Zune music using my paid credentials and insert it into my pirated/ripped MP3s). It's only real problem was it didn't support other Operating Systems (not macOS, not Linux, not Android, not iOS, only Windows at that time). When I got my first iPhone (an iPhone 4; I'm on my 3rd now, a 7), it no longer made sense to deal with Zune Music and I switched to Spotify. I lived abroad for a while, and Spotify was the only service that didn't block my access from abroad (in Asia). So, Spotify won out against Rdio, MOG, Rhapsody. MOG was actually my favorite of that mix, but I couldn't use it in Asia, so it didn't much matter.

      So, make fun of Zune Music all you want, but it was actually the best one. I've tried them all; I've been a long-time paying customer of Rhapsody, Zune and Spotify. I actually tried to switch to my grandfathered account and use Xbox Music a few years ago, but Microsoft's God-awful anti-fraud mechanisms locked me out of that account permanently, so I basically said "fuck em" and stuck with Spotify (their newer offerings were not as compelling). But, honestly, Zune Music was the best. Nothing has compared to Zune Music. If MS weren't braindead, they could have had Zune Music dominant across platforms long before Spotify. But, they whiffed like they're prone to do these days. RIP Zune Music.

    3. Re:Oh! Just when I was fixing to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Pull the) Plug And Play?

  4. Streaming MP3s on OneDrive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best feature of groove is the ability to stream music from mp3's in OneDrive. I hope this doesn't go away!

  5. Unfortunate... by grimfate · · Score: 1

    Well this sucks. I just abandoned Google Play for Groove, because I wanted a service with music streaming and support for storing my own music in the cloud. Pretty sure Google Play and Groove were my only options for this, and I don't want to go back to Google. (Amazon might do this, but pretty sure their music service is US-only.) At least we are past the point where you would buy DRM music and lose it when the store shut down...

    1. Re:Unfortunate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just abandoned Google Play for Groove, because I wanted a service with music streaming and support for storing my own music in the cloud

      Why, because you like to pay to continuously download what you already have downloaded?

      Sorry, I'll rip my music and move around the MP3 files as I see fit. I'm sure as hell not paying someone for the privilege of streaming my own music, nor do I give a damn to require an internet connection for something which can be stored locally. How do you listen to your music on a plane or when you don't have a network connection?

      My way has no ads, no analytics, and no dependencies on someone's business going under.

    2. Re:Unfortunate... by youngone · · Score: 1

      Never mind, both you and the other Groove Music user will be getting a Spotify account.

    3. Re:Unfortunate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Music allows you to store 50,000 songs without paying though, this is larger than most people's mp3 libraries.

      The main benefit is having it available and synchronized everywhere there is an internet connection, and you can also download things to devices as you see fit.

    4. Re:Unfortunate... by grimfate · · Score: 1

      Nah. Turns out Apple actually has what I want. Problem solved.

    5. Re:Unfortunate... by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      Google Music allows you to store 50,000 songs without paying though, this is larger than most people's mp3 libraries.

      Does that include the songs that you want? An unlimited number of songs that you do not care about is no use if you still have to pay for the songs you really want.

    6. Re:Unfortunate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50k songs you upload yourself. So in theory, yes, they're songs you want.

      I loved Google Music, and it's been the hardest part of breaking up with Google - but I've moved my mp3 collection over to Plex. I'll be running my own cloud for the foreseeable future.

    7. Re: Unfortunate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfff... getting used to iTunes is anything but "problem solved"

  6. You can't own on Spotify, though. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Microsoft announced today that it will soon shutter both its Groove Music Pass streaming service and the ability to purchase songs and albums in the Windows Store. ... Microsoft has partnered with Spotify to move all its Groove Music Pass customers over to Spotify.

    So what happens to all the songs people have already purchased through the service? Spotify is a streaming service, so obviously people will no longer have the ability to download those tracks they "bought". What's more, it's a subscription streaming service, so once their subscription expires they will lose the ability to stream those songs they supposedly "bought" before. Were they sold in a non-DRM encumbered format so they can keep playing their previous purchases they already downloaded?

    1. Re:You can't own on Spotify, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And now it's become clear why it's pointless to purchase digital songs or pay for streaming. They can cut you off anytime.

      CDs are so cheap now, just buy it rip it and toss the damn thing in the trash.

    2. Re:You can't own on Spotify, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube is free.
      Audacity is free.
      Ergo, music is free.

      Lick my analog hole, RIAA.

    3. Re:You can't own on Spotify, though. by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

  7. Microsoft has released games that tie into... by sizzlinkitty · · Score: 1

    their shitty groove music service, hopefully these will be updated. Microsoft should do one better and offer integration into Google music and Amazon music...

    1. Re:Microsoft has released games that tie into... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you're dreaming. remember gfwl. When it got shut down ms left all the users and game companies that used the service high and dry. they don't give a fuck.

  8. Plays for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plays for sure... sure.

    1. Re:Plays for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plays for..... shit.

  9. They're learning by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    They're learning that it is impossible to be all things to all people. It is better to have a few core products and excel at them (No pun intended) rather than try to be a jack of all trades and shitty at most.

  10. Why can't Microsoft follow through on anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked here for nineteen years as either an employee or contractor, and everything I've worked on has just been abandoned. We're all "gung-ho" on projects until they just get abandoned.

    1. Re:Why can't Microsoft follow through on anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing happens all the time with Google and Apple. At some point when something is flagging or failing, you just have to call it.

    2. Re:Why can't Microsoft follow through on anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are the common factor then maybe it is you that is the problem! ;-)

  11. Re: Why can't Microsoft follow through on anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our president now is Brad Smith who is a lawyer so he just doesnâ(TM)t get tech.

  12. Nice! by el_smurfo · · Score: 1

    Another formerly uninstallable Win10 app that I will be able to ditch!

  13. How will I load my Zune now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait...

  14. Microsoft has lost its groove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is all.

  15. Re: Why can't Microsoft follow through on anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was appointed our ruler since he hates tech like the CIO of Equifax. That just makes sense.

  16. Plays for sure! by slazzy · · Score: 2

    Don't worry groovers, it will "Play for sure!"

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  17. Just one fail after another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always late to the game Microsoft. Epic fail again with Groove to bad I canâ(TM)t even uninstall the damn app either.

  18. personal information to another company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so MS is giving the personal information of subscribers to another company? do subscribers have a choice, or are they just bought & sold like cattle?

  19. Spotify app on WP - how to put it? - sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must dispute that Spotify is a replacement for Groove Music - at least from the app point of view

    they do not officially have WP app - see their website

    In a bizarre twist of fate, I have actually started my subscription to Groove Music about 2 weeks ago because I was fed up with the Spotify app - it needs constant attention - half the time it thinks it is offline - while Groove App was happily playing - and it often fails to talk to my BT headphones - while Groove would happily do

    Groove app was actually very slick and fast, Spotify should hire Groove UX guy(s)

  20. In other news... by coofercat · · Score: 1

    In other news, Groove Music gets more public exposure because it's closing than it ever did when it was supposedly trying to gain some eyeballs.

    Microsoft: You do some things very well, but pretty much everything else you do terribly badly. Maybe stick with the things you do well, yeah?

  21. Typical of Microsoft by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    Recall Silverlight that flaming piece of shit media player. They dropped that like a hot potato too. And Groove - I've got a Windows 10 box and I don't use Groove at all. Instead it's an Amazon music player and they are lease haven't dropped the ball yet.