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UK Government Could Imprison People For Looking At Terrorist Content (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson writes: Not content with trying to "combat" encryption, the UK government also wants to criminalize looking at terrorist content. The leading Conservative party has announced plans which threaten those who "repeatedly view terrorist content online" with time behind bars. New laws will be introduced that could see consumers of terrorist content imprisoned for up to 15 years. The same maximum sentence would face those who share information about police, soldiers or intelligence agencies with a view to organizing terrorist attacks.

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  1. Wow!!!! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Funny

    And 'Murricans are the evil ones. Between hate speech laws and now what appears to be the true beginnings of thoughtcrime, those sophisitcated Europeans are representin'.

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    1. Re:Wow!!!! by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I think the US and UK are in a competition to see who can out-crazy the other.

    2. Re:Wow!!!! by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 3, Funny

      They'll both be taken by surprise by Canada.

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    3. Re:Wow!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Nobody expects the Canadian Inquisition!

    4. Re:Wow!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In 1984, the government claims that it belongs to the same entity controlling North and South America. That same government also lies about all other geopolitical affairs.

      There's no proof in the novel that the government controls anything outside of Britain or that the American continents are even populated; they could just as well have been ravaged by war or turned so isolationist that they ignore Airstrip One. It's also possible that the three major powers of Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia are in fact one world-wide government that lies to its people in each region.

      Once it's illegal to view any material the government deems dangerous, you can tell them anyone is your ally.

    5. Re:Wow!!!! by Jason1729 · · Score: 2

      Remember, 1984 was a British book and that's what the British got.

      Brave New World was an American book and that's what the Americans got.

      And 1984 was a paradise compared to Brave New World.

    6. Re:Wow!!!! by sabri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once it's illegal to view any material the government deems dangerous, you can tell them anyone is your ally.

      Exactly this. The U.K. has been working on becoming a full police state for many years now. And every time I point this out I get downmodded here on /.

      But guess what, the joke's on you, silly Brits. You get what you vote for.

      The U.S. voted for a clown and got a clown. The U.K. voted for a police state, and got a police state.

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    7. Re:Wow!!!! by Neuronwelder · · Score: 2

      But wait! There's more! .. It is inevitable when such laws are passed, that these problems go underground. They do not go away.. It is better NOT to enact these laws, and be able to easily pick someone who is truly getting out of line. But for some perverse reason; most people in charge seem to be control freaks! All over the world, and ever since time started.

  2. Stupid. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Assuming the summary is a correct and concise one.

    You can't learn about terrorism without reading about it. Not reading about it leaves you ignorant. Being ignorant removes the tools for combating it.

    This is just a dumb, knee-jerk reaction idea from the start.

    1. Re:Stupid. by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't this make anyone who regularly watches the news a criminal?

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    2. Re:Stupid. by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can't learn about terrorism without reading about it. Not reading about it leaves you ignorant. Being ignorant removes the tools for combating it.

      Well, you're not supposed to research it on your own. Listening to alternative political viewpoints and being able to form your opinions on your own is the greatest evil. Just stay away from those websites and wait for government approved educational materials to inform you about terrorism, and how you should feel about it.

    3. Re:Stupid. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't this make anyone who regularly watches the news a criminal?

      Not if they make it illegal to report on terrorism

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    4. Re:Stupid. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. An educated populace is always difficult to rule, but an uneducated populace is periodically DANGEROUS to rule.

      I'd rather have a constant bit of semi-civilized chaos than periodic anarchy.

      However, politicians are just people, like the rest of us. They can be stupid, short-sighted, and blinded by ideology just as easily as the rest of us. Maybe moreso, since that third item tends to lead you to a career in politics...

    5. Re:Stupid. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      My kids recently re-discovered Dinosaurs on Hulu. They just watched the "WAR" episodes where the media only reports what the government approves to be reported. If this goes through, expect a similar thing to happen. News won't be able to report on arguments against X because the government is in favor of X and has deemed all arguments against X to be "terrorist content."

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    6. Re:Stupid. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      An uneducated populace is easy to rule. Divide and conquer. Make them think an enemy is under every bad. Have them call the police rather than interact meaningfully with their neighbors. Keep them in their own echo chambers on social media. Encourage them to unfriend/block/unfollow people who don't march lock-step to their political leanings. Replace critical thinking and the three "r"s with the three "C"s: Confirm, Comply, and Consume.

      An educated populace will have none of that. They will go and recall a candidate who makes them pay more taxes while giving breaks to a wealthy few. They will have a candidate tarred/feathered/railed if the candidate is a proven liar. This is why politicians abhore educated folk.

    7. Re: Stupid. by JosKarith · · Score: 2

      First they started with the pedos, cos' that's a no-brainer, right? Then they made "extreme" pr0n and cartoons illegal. Now it's "terrorist content" (With the government deciding what qualifies). What next? Attempting to educate yourself in an "non-sanctioned manner"?
      It's kind of a shame nobody said anything about "The thin end of the wedge" years go huh...?

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    8. Re: Stupid. by bsolar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you're saying they don't want people reading terrorist websites because then people might find out that the terrorists are actually good guys?

      What people might find out is not that terrorists are good guys, but that bad guys once in a while might have a point too. Furthermore they might realise the actual good guys might not have always been worthy of praise...

      Basically, they are afraid people might realise the gross oversimplifications your comment exemplifies are not a good way to reason about issues.

    9. Re:Stupid. by suutar · · Score: 2

      The other divide and conquer party is having a great time though.

    10. Re:Stupid. by mpercy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Misrepresents Citizens United.

      And money doesn't necessarily translate to wins.

      Bloomberg:

      He didn't win the money race, but Donald Trump will be the next president of the U.S. In the primaries and general election, he defied conventional wisdom, besting better financed candidates by dominating the air waves for free. Trump also put to use his own cash, as well as the assets and infrastructure of his businesses, in unprecedented fashion. He donated $66 million of his own money, flew across the country in his private jet, and used his resorts to stage campaign events. At the same time, the billionaire was able to draw about $280 million from small donors giving $200 or less. Super-PACs, which can take contributions unlimited in size, were similarly skewed toward his opponent, Hillary Clinton. Ultimately, Trump won the presidency despite having raised less than any major party presidential nominee since John McCain in 2008, the last to accept federal funds to pay for his general election contest.

      Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of $1.2 billion, less than President Barack Obama raised in 2012. Her sophisticated fundraising operation included a small army of wealthy donors who wrote seven-figure checks, hundreds of bundlers who raised $100,000 or more from their own networks, and a small-dollar donor operation modeled on the one used by Obama in 2012. She spent heavily on television advertising and her get-out-the-vote operation, but in the end, her fundraising edge wasn't enough to overcome Trump's ability to dominate headlines and the airwaves.

      On Dec. 8, campaigns and super-PACs filed their post-election reports on fundraising and spending with the Federal Election Commission from Oct. 20 through Nov. 28. Here's where they stood at the end of the race:

      Hillary Clinton
      TOTAL RAISED
      $1,191M
      Candidate Raised to Date* $973.2M
      Spent $969.1M
      Cash on Hand $4.1M

      Super-PACs Raised to Date $217.5M
      Spent $215.1M
      Cash on Hand $3.7M

      Total Raised to Date $1,190.7M
      Total Spent $1,184.1M
      Total Cash on Hand $7.8M

      Donald Trump
      TOTAL RAISED
      $646.8M
      Candidate Raised to Date* $564.3M
      Spent $531.0M
      Cash on Hand $33.3M

      Super-PACs Raised to Date $82.3M
      Spent $85.5M
      Cash on Hand -$1.8M

      Total Raised to Date $646.8M
      Total Spent $616.5M
      Total Cash on Hand $31.5M

    11. Re:Stupid. by Ian+A.+Shill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't this make anyone who regularly watches the news a criminal?

      Not if they make it illegal to report on terrorism

      But, it's always been illegal to report on terrorism.

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    12. Re:Stupid. by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Trump was given $2 billion plus in free media coverage.
      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...
      https://secure.marketwatch.com...
      http://www.weeklystandard.com/...
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      https://fivethirtyeight.com/fe...

      Duckduckgo returns lots more with my query, "worth of free media coverage 2016 election Trump"
      If the media had ignored him or only ran paid advertisements, Trump would have been a lot less likely to have won

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  3. Even China doesn't typically arrest for reading by evolutionary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the best my knowledge, you can be arrested for POSTING content critical of the government (or considered not in "public interests", but as far as I know, you aren't imprisoned for simply reading it (China as so many censor mechanisms in place it probably doesn't matter so much). Does this party even realize what precedent they are setting in proposing this?

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  4. Remember remember the 5th of November by aicrules · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on guys...have you not seen V for Vendetta?

  5. Extension of an existing law by Neil_Brown · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is the extension of an existing law for âoecollecting or making a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorismâ, or possessing such information.

    Apparently, as it stands, it does not cover streaming, so will be extended to reference it. The proposal would also change the penalty from a maximum of 10 years in prison to a maximum of 15 years.

    1. Re:Extension of an existing law by the_leander · · Score: 2

      Technically sure, but does that follow that it means the same legally?

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  6. Re:I would be fine with this as additional punishm by gnick · · Score: 2

    Somebody gets caught committing a terrorist act and you want to base his sentencing on his video habits? That seems silly. Surely in that case there would be more relevant charges.

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  7. Re:This is why the 2nd Amendment won't go away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your 2nd may not go away because of the gun nuts, but your 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and who knows what else are down the shitter.

    So, congratulations, you have the right to shoot into a crowd, but nobody is doing a fucking thing to protect the rest of your rights.

    Like it or not, America is trending to fascism just as fast as the Brits .. they just don't go around pretending to be a free society and acting smug about it.

  8. Re:This is why the 2nd Amendment won't go away. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    What rights? You have no rights. You have a piece of paper that the government chooses to follow haphazardly and with all your might and all your guns you roll over and ignore your 4th amendment free zones, your places where guns are banned, and your general military police state you find yourself in where police are a protected entity even when they shoot and kill unarmed women in the pyjamas who were the ones who called them in the first place.

    Sure you have the right to a fair trial, apparently ... if you make it that far. And given the recent track record you're far more likely to do that without a gun than with.

  9. Re:This is why the 2nd Amendment won't go away. by JohnFen · · Score: 2

    The 2nd isn't under serious challenge by the government because, unlike many of the other amendments, the 2nd doesn't actually pose any sort of threat to the government.

  10. Re:This is why the 2nd Amendment won't go away. by barc0001 · · Score: 2

    Oh please. Exactly how many "rights" has the 2nd amendment gotten US citizens back? Every time armed citizens stand up to the government it always ends with them in prison or dead. See Ruby Ridge, Waco, whatever the hell that was in Oregon last year and more.

    You're not going to overthrow the government without the support of the armed services. If you don't have that support, they will kill you. If you do have that support, you don't need guns because they've got them. And tanks. And Apache attack copters and drones and bombers and whatever else.

  11. News might some day not cover this topic anymore by ffkom · · Score: 2

    Remember the movie "Brazil"? I think its depiction of a government that puts in a lot of effort to divert attention from acts of terror is not too far-fetched.