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Judge Recommends ISP and Search Engine Blocking of Sci-Hub in the US (torrentfreak.com)

Sci-Hub, which is regularly referred to as the "Pirate Bay of Science," faces one of the strongest anti-piracy injunctions we have seen in the US to date, reports TorrentFreak. From the article: Earlier this year the American Chemical Society (ACS), a leading source of academic publications in the field of chemistry, filed a lawsuit against Sci-Hub and its operator Alexandra Elbakyan. Sci-Hub was made aware of the legal proceedings but did not appear in court. As a result, a default was entered against the site. In addition to millions of dollars in damages, ACS also requested third-party Internet intermediaries to take action against the site. While the request is rather unprecedented for the US, as it includes search engine and ISP blocking, Magistrate Judge John Anderson has included these measures in his recommendations. Judge Anderson agrees that Sci-Hub is guilty of copyright and trademark infringement. In addition to $4,800,000 in statutory damages, he recommends a broad injunction that would require search engines, ISPs, domain registrars and other services to block Sci-Hub's domain names. If the U.S. District Court Judge adopts this recommendation, it would mean that Internet providers such as Comcast could be ordered to block users from accessing Sci-Hub.

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  1. Call me crazy... by Scottingham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But publicly funded research should be available to the public.

    1. Re:Call me crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But publicly funded research should be available to the public.

      The 0.001% who get filthy rich off the backs of the 99.999% would disagree with you, and therefore you will fucking lose that argument.

    2. Re:Call me crazy... by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative
      For your hosts file:

      # nslookup sci-hub.io

      Non-authoritative answer:
      Name: sci-hub.io
      Address: 104.31.87.37
      Name: sci-hub.io
      Address: 104.31.86.37

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    3. Re:Call me crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We live in a collective, all governed by the same principals as any other collective. Individual desires have no meaning. If you're in the majority, you'll do fine. If you're in the minority, you're fucked.

      Until the public can govern itself, it can't possibly be expected to intelligently choose who to govern over them. Every election confirms this fact. We elect bumbling idiots because they are "one of us" and corrupt tycoons because they "bring home the bacon", and we shun, even punish, those who do well. Today's government is a perfect reflection of the public. A typical day at Walmart...

      We are so doomed, by our own submissiveness

    4. Re:Call me crazy... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Funny

      whats a cray-cray?

      It's two Crays. Twice the performance. Emitter Coupled Logic for the future.

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    5. Re:Call me crazy... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take the money out of sports programs and put it into research. The students (players) are getting screwed because they can't make a cent off of anything. Everyone else (coaches, NCAA or whatever association, TV networks, video games, fantasy leagues, apparel, etc) is making big money. It's a money sink for most colleges though.

    6. Re:Call me crazy... by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except we don't have a democracy in the US. We have a corporate state similar to fascism. Corporations have captured the government and run it for their benefit. Actual voters are irrelevant.

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    7. Re:Call me crazy... by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Universities don't gain royalties from these publications. There are few large private corporations which earn the money. Universities have to pay these corporations for access to the journals. If they had free access, they could spend more money on research.

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    8. Re:Call me crazy... by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except we don't have a democracy in the US. We have a corporate state similar to fascism. Corporations have captured the government and run it for their benefit. Actual voters are irrelevant.

      "The only winning move is not to play."

      The US Founding Fathers knew this in the 1700s and is the reason they wrote the US Constitution to severely restrict the central government every way they could.

      They knew that a large, powerful government inevitably becomes corrupt & tyrannical because of basic human nature, as it is simply too good a target for the power-seeking, criminal, and corrupt elements of any society.

      It's the same basic concept in regards to computer network security in that a central computer serving 'dumb terminals' is a simpler system to suborn/corrupt than a network of individual computers, each with their own security systems to defeat.

      People who want a large, powerful government capable of providing for their food, medicine, education, employment, and personal safety that is not corrupt, authoritarian, and elitist, want what has never been and will never be.

      Human nature. It's why we can't have nice things.

      Strat

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    9. Re:Call me crazy... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except we don't have a democracy in the US. We have a corporate state similar to fascism. Corporations have captured the government and run it for their benefit. Actual voters are irrelevant.

      No, fascism isn't at all similar. In fact, quite the opposite, fascism requires that businesses can only operate in a way that works towards "the greater good", with that greater good being defined by the government. In the case of Germany, that meant things like no pornography, no alcohol, etc. Fascism is also highly collectivist, whereas what we have today is highly individualist.

      And contrary to popular belief, the founding fathers were all themselves a bunch of aristocrats, and the most powerful corporations of their time were far more powerful than they are today (for example, they had their own private navies/armies, they had the power to declare wars, they could jail and execute people who didn't pay their debts.) The Dutch East India Company, who in 1623 was the first company to ever go public, and was worth $7.4 trillion dollars in today's money at its peak. It also had the largest monopoly the world has ever seen.

      Anybody who thinks corporations are becoming ever more powerful and taking over the world doesn't know shit about history. In fact, over time the checks and balances have only improved. Alas, socialists always have rose tinted glasses about the "good ol' days" where governments in practice own and control everything, including your personal property.

  2. Unconstitutional. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 5, Informative

    This would mean the blocking access to publicly funded science. This is a first ammendment violation. (this part of the ruling would be.)

    1. Re:Unconstitutional. by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not an order, though. It's just the judge expressing his personal desire.

  3. This is probably what happened by zifn4b · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Usually what happens in just about every court proceeding is that the plaintiff's attorney files a motion usually leading to a hearing unless the parties settle the matter beforehand. During the court proceedings the plaintiff presents to the judge an order that they believe will resolve the issue. If the defendant doesn't show up (which is the case here) to contest the order that has been presented by the plaintiff, unless the judge really understands the order (which I suspect they may not understand the internet in this case), they may be inclined to use the plaintiff's proposed order and enter it as a default judgment. Otherwise, I'm not sure how a judge could have thought that this is an appropriate remedy to the issue. The judge is asking entities who are not parties to the case to perform actions that constitute the remedy.

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    1. Re:This is probably what happened by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Usually what happens ... If the defendant doesn't show up ... to contest the order that has been presented by the plaintiff ... [the judge] may be inclined to use the plaintiff's proposed order and enter it as a default judgment

      Also: The site was created by a Kazakhstani graduate student, is hosted in St. Petersburg, Russia, and has used domain name registrars in various countries.

      As I understand it: Under US law, if you contact a court to contest jurisdiction, you've conceded that the court has jurisdiction if it decides that it does. So there isn't a good way for someone out of a court's jurisdiction to contest jurisdiction up front. This lets plaintiffs go court shopping (for courts that are cheap for them and expensive for their defendants and likely to rule in their favor if the case goes to trial) and get unconscionable default judgements if a defendant protects his/her rights by declining to appear or correspond with the court. Then it's up to the defendant to fight off attempts to enforce the execution of the judgement.

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    2. Re:This is probably what happened by zifn4b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I understand it: Under US law, if you contact a court to contest jurisdiction, you've conceded that the court has jurisdiction if it decides that it does. So there isn't a good way for someone out of a court's jurisdiction to contest jurisdiction up front. This lets plaintiffs go court shopping (for courts that are cheap for them and expensive for their defendants and likely to rule in their favor if the case goes to trial) and get unconscionable default judgements if a defendant protects his/her rights by declining to appear or correspond with the court. Then it's up to the defendant to fight off attempts to enforce the execution of the judgement.

      That is my understanding as well. However, there is a wrinkle here and that is in order for the remedy to be executed, ACS is going to have to compel DNS registries and ISP's to comply with the order and that's where it's going to get weird. The parties being compelled can claim to not be parties to the case which they are not and therefore there are no grounds to compel them to do what ACS is asking. ACS then has no other recourse but to file a motion to be granted a hearing to present the Motion to Compel to yet another judge to make the case for the judge to issue an order directly to the opposing parties. If the hearing is granted, the opposing parties WILL show up with some very high caliber legal representation to contest the Motion to Compel. I think either one of two things will happen 1) ACS will get sent home packing with a useless order the is unenforceable or 2) It will go all the way to Supreme Court. ACS will be fighting with for example Comcast and AT&T at this point not SciHub. It is all rather silly.

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    3. Re:This is probably what happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sci-Hub was made aware of the legal proceedings but did not appear in court.

      That's your answer right there.

      Sci-Hub was stupid.

      Surely less than you. Sci-Hub has no relation at all with the US other than being sued there.

      Why should Sci-Hub give a rat ass about it and appear in such court to just be harased by the US suers and their bullies?

      If you still think they should, good luck when you show in a court when sued in NK, SA, Iran. Ffor whatever infringment they find you being a nuissance.

    4. Re:This is probably what happened by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      Otherwise, I'm not sure how a judge could have thought that this is an appropriate remedy to the issue. The judge is asking entities who are not parties to the case to perform actions that constitute the remedy.

      I followed up with a lawyer to ask about privity. Recall, the judge recommended an injunction to anyone "in privity with Sci-Hub, including any search engines and domain registrars...". His answer:

      I think it'd be exceptionally difficult to establish privity here as Sci-Hub pays nothing to search engines. And if you say that merely indexing a website is sufficient for privity, then you've just made Google complicit in every single terrorism case, fraud case, and so on. Google will throw lawyers and money at this to make it go away.

  4. Google and Facebook must stop failing us! by forkfail · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, after all, what else is the job of a search engine, a social network, or an ISP but to ensure that information is well regulated, vetted, controlled, licensed, checked, filtered, screened, sliced, diced, and pureed?

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  5. Slippery slope... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ... and so the censorship begins...

    1. Re: Slippery slope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only privately funded research should be allowed to be concealed from the public in this manner. Its their research and their knowledge so to speak, let them do with it as they please.

      But publicly funded research is expected to be available in the public domain.

    2. Re:Slippery slope... by zifn4b · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want to read a book, you have to buy it, not steal it.

      Not at the public library but you young whippersnappers wouldn't know what that is now would you?

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  6. Re:idiot lawyers and idiot judges have.... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Not to mention Streisand Effecting it into well known status.

    I never knew about the site until they sued. Go figure.

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  7. Article 1 - Section 8 by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you don't like the result, you'll need a different argument, because while the Constitution only authorizes the federal government to do about a dozen pecific things, protecting copyright is one of those twelve things:

    Article 1 - Section 8, powers of the federal government (clause 8):
    âoeTo promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.â

    You might advocate for a statute saying that any papers which in any way relate to any research which benefitted from any taxpayer funding must be placed in the public domain. The practical effect of that would be debatable and hard to predict, but it would be a cogent proposal. Pretending that the Constitution says the opposite of what it says in Section 8 is not a reasonable argument.

    1. Re: Article 1 - Section 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have freedom for your own political speech, not freedom to violate someone else's rights - in this case copyrights granted by government.

  8. Eventually, this is coming to a head by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Public-funding of science means the scientific output is public property. Outfits like Nature have been raking it in charging people outrageous subscriptions to access data that in vast majority of cases is connected/paid/dependent on public monies. That racket cannot last forever.

    And when it comes to copyright, when does it stop with science? Is a classic like On the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Paradox royalty-free given it was published in 1964? Does Alain Aspect owe the Bell estate royalties? This is all so much horseshit.

  9. Aaron Swartz did not die just to have this still h by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aaron Swartz did not die just to have this still happen.

  10. Personal Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know what i've never seen anyone say, but that's sad/true? As someone who has access to journals legally, it's actually -easier- to find the articles i'm looking for through scihub a lot of the time.. how sad is that?

  11. Is there an alternate DNS yes? by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

    I'm thinking along the lines of a DHT. Then you should be able to cobble up a DNS server that goes to the alternate system if lookup in DNS fails. Slightly easier than editing /etc/hosts.

  12. Copyright? by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

    So that judge thinks it's OK for publishers to claim copyright on public property that they didn't pay for?

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  13. Luckily by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Luckily, these are scientists, they know how easy it is to circumvent those laughable measures.

  14. Re:Generally no, unless the author allows by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >That applies to YOUR papers. If your employer paid you to sit in their office and use their computer to write something for their use about their research, it may be their paper. Your right would be getting the pay check.

    I am talking loosely about the papers I have authored. Yes my employer pays me to sit in an office and do stuff. They also agreed to let me (and indeed encouraged me) to submit papers to journals to describe results. The reason for submitting to journals is to make the information available.

    Having those papers then locked behind extremely expensive paywalls is counter to the interests of the company who paid for it, the authors who did the work and wrote it, the unpaid reviewers who checked it and the people who would like to read it. We are moderately picky about picking journals that have open access but there are no company imposed rules concerning that.

    If the paper is also available through scihub, then the interests of all those people are better met.

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