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Elon Musk Says Tesla Could Rebuild Puerto Rico's Power Grid With Batteries, Solar (electrek.co)

After Puerto Rico was hit by hurricane Maria, Tesla quickly started shipping hundreds of its Powerwall batteries there to try and get power back on to some houses with solar arrays. Now, Tesla CEO Elon Musk took to Twitter to say that Tesla could rebuild Puerto Rico's power grid with batteries and solar on a bigger scale. Electrek reports: Puerto Rico's electricity rates were already quite high at around $0.20 per kWh and reliant on fossil fuels. After it was pointed out that Puerto Rico's destroyed grid is an opportunity to build a better one, Musk wrote on Twitter: "The Tesla team has done this for many smaller islands around the world, but there is no scalability limit so it can be done for Puerto Rico too. Such a decision would be in the hands of the Puerto Rico government, PUC (Public Utilities Commission), any commercial stakeholders and, most importantly, the people of Puerto Rico."

Musk is referring to solar and battery projects that Tesla recently deployed on other islands, like Tesla's visually stunning Powerpack and solar project in Kauai. Those projects power grids for much smaller populations, but Musk has always said that it's scalable to support much larger islands, like Puerto Rico, and ultimately entire continents, which are just like big islands to a certain degree. The thing is that those systems are still reliant on power lines for larger communities and devices, like solar panels and wind turbines, that are still subject to problems with natural disasters. The advantage of Tesla's solution is that it has the potential to be distributed, which increases the odds of at least some systems staying online or bringing some back online quicker.

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  1. Huh? by dicobalt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other news Elon Musk doesn't understand being poor.

    1. Re:Huh? by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which makes paying $0,20/kWh for power all the more difficult, no?

      Solar is starting to take over in sunny parts of the mainland even where power is much cheaper than that; its costs have gone way down over the years.

      --
      "If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
    2. Re:Huh? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I...wouldn't exactly...want to be Puerto Rico trying to float the bonds required to build that shiny new infrastructure; but it is worth noting that their current(or pre-getting-destroyed) grid was actually absurdly skewed toward expensive fuels.

      Per EIA electricity production was almost 50% oil, 34% natural gas, 17% coal, 2% misc renewables.

      That is a really, really, lousy set of numbers when you are already a poor island with relatively high transportation costs. Even if you don't give a damn about the environment, oil is silly expensive compared to coal as a base load option; and natural gas has always been quite versatile in terms of spinup/spindown and plant construction; plus it has gotten crazy cheap of late.

      Aside from trying to get the anachronistic legal situation that ruins their transport costs sorted out; that's a generating situation ripe to be replaced by something cheaper; and a time when it already needs substantial repair and/or replacement is a convenient opportunity.

    3. Re:Huh? by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Informative

      "... If enough money can be found"

      That's a bit of a problem. Not only was Puerto Rico broke and effectively in bankruptcy before Hurricane Maria, probably the brokest entity in the destitute island is the Puerto Rico power authority (prepa). It was $9B in debt BEFORE the power grid got ripped up.

      --
      You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
    4. Re:Huh? by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Part of the treaties that formally attached Puerto Rico to the US requires a vote every 10 years as to whether or not they want to 1) stay how they are, 2) become a state, 3) seek independence.

      The last vote was in June. Become a state got 97% of the vote.

      However, anything but option 1 requires Congress to do something. And I really don't think the current Republican Congress is interested in adding some safe Democratic seats to Congress.

  2. Re:Elon Musk farts butterflies, too? by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not about being easy, it's about being cost effective.

    If you already have a lot invested in the equipment and infrastructure of using petroleum for your energy needs, it's a large financial outlay to invest in a whole new technology that you don't necessarily need (even if the long-term benefits are clear).

    However, since Puerto Rico is now in the unfortunate position of having to rebuild much of their infrastructure anyway, and having to spend a ton of money to do so anyway, there's hardly any reason NOT to spend it on new technologies that save money in the long run... and also reduce dependence.
    =Smidge=

  3. Opportunity by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never let a disaster go to waste. $$$$$$$

  4. Re:PRs electircal grid was in shambles... by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Presumably because he's a busy man with at least three companies to run and he can't be made aware of and try to solve every possibly problem on earth.
    But when large highly talked about events happen people tend to learn new information about them and act on it.

  5. Re:There *is* a scalability problem by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) Despite the name, there just isn't that much lithium in a lithium-ion battery - and thus battery manufacturers can pay significantly more and not profoundly affect battery prices.
    2) "Reserves" figures are based on a given A) exploration level, B) production tech level, and C) market price point. A) has historically been low, B) hasn't had reason to advance much, and C)... well, see point #1.
    3) Growth in reserves with respect to 2A is roughly linear, while it's exponential with respect to 2B and 2C.

    As an example of extremes: there's approximately 2,4e17 kilograms of lithium in Earth's oceans. Yes, producing from seawater with current tech (see 2B) costs a few times more than producing from land-based lithium sources per kilogram, so it's not commercially done. But battery manufacturers certainly can afford to pay those prices. And because of that, it's essentially impossible for them to run out of lithium. There can be temporary shortfalls due to production scaleups, but no long-term barriers.

    (Not that they would go straight to seawater lithium; there's lots of land-based sources far larger than current "reserves" that would be turned to first)

    --
    "If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
  6. Re:Batteries? by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    As far as I know currently available lithium batteries still wear out after 1,000 cycles and slightly more for LiFePo4.

    Powerpacks are warrantied for 10 years, and it's not like they just suddenly "die" after that. Li-ions suffer their most capacity drop in their first year of operation / first 50-100 cycles, but the rate of loss declines after that. As an example with Teslas, the average capacity loss is 4% in the first year, but by year 5, typical total capacity loss averages only 6-7%.

    --
    "If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
  7. Re:PRs electircal grid was in shambles... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because though their grid was in a shambles, it existed and was 'good enough' for the locals.

    Now that it's effectively gone and they have to build something to replace it, it's a good time to look at options. There's not much cost savings in reusing the old grid.

  8. Re:Elon Musk farts butterflies, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are the expensive power generation facilities destroyed? No.

    Just the wires between houses need to be replaced.

    Another hurricane will probably destroy Elon's solar and wind so they will have to start over.

    The expensive power plants are still there, mostly paid for, and ready to be connected to the wires.

    The wires between houses need to be constructed in either scenario.

  9. Importance of testing by c++ · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a good thing he tested on smaller islands first. Now we know the weight of the batteries won't cause Puerto Rico to tip over like Guam.