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Can Cheap Android Tablets Bridge the Digital Divide? (teleread.org)

It's now possible to buy a 7-inch Android tablet for under $50 -- for example, the Nook Tablet 7 or Amazon's cheapest Fire tablet. "Since the Fire can now easily install regular Android apps, it has become useful out of all proportion to its price," writes long-time Slashdot reader Robotech_Master, noting that for many applications tablets can replace a desktop or laptop computer. TeleRead.org is even arguing this could be what bridges the digital divide: [N]ot just for reading ebooks and assisting in education, but for more basic tasks. People with low or no incomes could search and apply for better jobs. Students could do homework and term papers on their tablet if their siblings or parents are using the desktop.
Besides the obvious applications like email and web browsing, $50 Android tablets also offer cheap phone calls via Google Hangouts. (You can even get your own phone number through Google Voice.) Calling the tablets "a full-fledged internet terminal... easily within reach of even the lowest-income families," the article concludes "I can hardly wait to see where these tablets go from here."

111 comments

  1. Nice by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    " $50 Android tablets also offer cheap phone calls via Google Hangouts."

    Or just buy an empty prepaid simcard on ebay or for 50 cents, (or an actual one on the corner bodega) to receive the install SMS (on your cellphone) and install Whatsapp. (on the tablet)

    I have been doing that for years for the oldsters in our family on 50$ tablets, so they can text and phone for free all around the house.

    1. Re:Nice by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I have been doing that for years for the oldsters in our family on 50$ tablets, so they can text and phone for free all around the house.

      You've (probably unintentionally) pointed out something which works against the premise of the submission itself.

      Cheap Android tablets have been around for years - this is not new, and they haven't "bridged the digital divide" up to this point.

      The people who buy these sorts of devices seem to be middle class and up. $50-$100 is the "I can give a cheap tablet to each of the kids without going nuts if they break them" price range.

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    2. Re:Nice by Wycliffe · · Score: 4

      " $50 Android tablets also offer cheap phone calls via Google Hangouts."

      Or just buy an empty prepaid simcard on ebay or for 50 cents, (or an actual one on the corner bodega) to receive the install SMS (on your cellphone) and install Whatsapp. (on the tablet)

      I have been doing that for years for the oldsters in our family on 50$ tablets, so they can text and phone for free all around the house.

      The digital divide isn't about hardware. I picked up an iphone 5s a few months ago for my kids for $50 to use on wifi. Our school issues ipads to every student in middle school and high school. The problem is access to the internet. Even free hardware is pretty useless if you don't have reliable internet. In my area, options start at about $50/month (which comes out to $600/year) and even if you can afford that, that assumes you even have the ability to install it. Plenty of poor people live in situations like subsidized housing, a friend's basement, or some odd-ball living situation where getting internet installed isn't even an option. One of my son's friend literally lived in tent with his parents for a while and now has upgraded to living in a pop-up camper. Getting broadband in a situation like this is pretty much impossible.

    3. Re: Nice by robotech.master2841 · · Score: 1

      Most cheap Android tablets are shoddily constructed, malware-laden crap, running security-hole-riddled older versions of Android, that you have to seek out in obscure online stores to get your hands on. Much like early e-readers, they might appeal to geeks and early adopters but not so much the average person. The Fire is well-made, widely available, and even able to easily install regular Android apps now. The operating system is based on an older version of Android, yes, but Amazon keeps it up-to-date as far as security holes go. And Amazon is committed to getting the Fire in the hands of as many people as possible. You see how well that worked for the Kindle. There had been plenty of inexpensive e-ink readers around before Amazon came in with its $350 device, but now Amazon owns the market because it made the Kindle easy for average people to buy and use. Naturally, people will be more productive with real desktops, but I think the Fire could be a reasonable substitute for people who can't afford them.

    4. Re:Nice by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The cost of the Device even spending a couple thousand dollars for one isn't the big issue, it is monthly fees.
      Buying an expensive device even for a lower middle class family can be done with saving up for it. However the monthly fees for services is constantly affecting quality of life.
      So if you need a $2k device every 3 years that is saving $13 every month.

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    5. Re: Nice by hackel · · Score: 1

      WhatsApp is proprietary, privacy-invading Facebook garbage. No one should use it when the are two perfectly good, *interoperable* standards available (SMS and RCS).

    6. Re: Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to sign it. Liberal mods suck!
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    7. Re:Nice by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Been trying to give myself reason to get a tablet but in my case their are none. I already have a smartphone with games to keep me busy when im bored. I have my desktop for everything else. I think if i had kids it would make since for long car rides and so on but kids grew up years ago lol. And i enjoy watching the world go by if im a passenger in cars.I would just get a laptop if im going to go small, might as well get the more powerful useful tool.

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    8. Re: Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always nice to see you 12 year olds finding /., it breaks up the monotony of actual conversations.

    9. Re: Nice by Entrope · · Score: 1

      I am not sure what base you were working in, but here in decimal land, 3 years is 36 months, and 3000 / 36 = 55.55....

    10. Re: Nice by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Sigh, stupid phone keyboard. 2000 / 36 = 55.555....

    11. Re: Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the form factor of the tablet is obsolete. People don't read, and cheap tablets are relatively shitty for reading periodicals and books. They predominantly powered by ARM CPUs, with the drawback that ARM CPUs aren't as powerful as desktop CPUs. The irony of websurfing with a tablet is not the tablet cannot render the page; it can't process the background advertising shit in real time. When I websurf using an "entry" level CPU (which is relatively modern, and has some pop), I notice that slow webpages are doing some CPU intensive advertising shit in the background, and it kills my Firefox browser. When I use Adblock Plus, the CPU is not working as hard.

      Tablets are actually for portability with a computer screen, but even that's getting supplanted with those annoying Amazon/Google recording devices with speakers. The whole article premise is flawed, which some hack tech writer pumped out for a few dollars (X cents/word), by idiot technologists trying to pretend that poor people can enjoy the internet with a tablet.

    12. Re: Nice by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I had one of those for a while. I wasn't very careful with it at all, and it still managed to run for almost 3 years. It ran stock Android too, which puts it above tablets from major manufacturers like Samsung in that regard.

      Performance wasn't that great, it really was just fast enough to be useable.

      A piece of advice is that in this price range, the Intel Atom based tablets are way slower than the ARM ones.

    13. Re:Nice by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      I would just point out that there are very inexpensive, but not all together bad, smartphones in the 50$ range, that can be loaded with sensible service.

      Take for instance, an LG Optimus Zone 3. It's a 45$ prepaid thing on Verizon's network. It *CAN* work on ATT's network after being SIM unlocked, and it can work just fine with something like FreedomPop. (which you can get the SIM card in the mail for 1$. Their lowest level service is literally 0$ a month, as long as you remain inside the 250minutes/500text messages/500mb data use scenario. This is VERY good for poor people, since you can have that cellphone, and the rate is very affordable. (the lowest paid offering is like 20$ a month, for unlimited talk and text, with 500mb data.) FreedomPop uses ATT's LTE network to do its thing, so supporting ATT's frequency band for LTE is all you need.)

      Said phone is really not that bad for the price.

      4 core 1ghz ARM
      1gb RAM
      8gb internal storage
      Micro SDcard slot

      The real question, is what is aimed to be accomplished by getting impoverished people on the internet (errr.. into the advertising revenue stream)? If you are thinking "education and business opportunities" then smartphone/tablet is not the platform that will accomplish that. That platform is almost exclusively created for the latter (Turning a user into a source of unique impressions to make somebody else money.)

    14. Re: Nice by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      The digital divide is more about peer groups shitting on people for being smart. If you're black, female, mexican, or native american, your peers will treat you like shit for doing "white male" things like learning and getting smarter.

      And how does a white male such as yourself become an expert on how those people think? Perhaps you are stereotyping to support your "I hate government and everybody but me is a parasite."

      That tablet is $50 that could have been spent on crack, makeup, or rims for your 1995 Civic.

      So nasty stereotyping it is.

    15. Re: Nice by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I prefer open standards like XMPP and IPv4/v6.

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    16. Re:Nice by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I got a cheap one with a large screen mostly as a PDF reader. It works great for that. It doesn't do what my laptop and smartphone can do, at least not very well, but a page-sized screen that works in portrait mode is great.

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  2. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. No, they cannot.

    1. Re:No by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The digital divide is not about access to hardware. It is about education and network access (e.g. rural Africa). Still, I do like having some cheap hardware for reading eBooks, where it does not matter if it gets stolen or breaks.

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    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truncated experience you get on a tablet doesn't cut it

      This. On a cheap android cell phone, it's even MORE truncated.

    3. Re:No by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3
      However, most of the world can buy a used desktop for around $50 if they want - sure its not the same as a new upmarket model, but I would prefer a P4 based desktop with a screen and keyboard (not running Windows, obviously) over a $50 tablet, new or used, if the object was to create stuff.

      Hell is something close to debugging PHP with embedded SQL on a low resolution tablet.

      And yes, I have been to Africa recently, and yes I could get a P4 with a CRT and PS2 keyboard and mouse for under $50 (it did look past its prime though). I could also buy a Nigerian Guinness for about $0.30 and a nutritiously sound meal for about $1.50. An experienced local would obviously pay less than me for the meal or the computer, unless he had drunk too much Nigerian Guinness.

      A lot of people there already had $50 tablets two years ago. Some even had PCs with Linux.

      The problem in Africa is not access to hardware, it is, to some degree, understanding the benefits of the hardware (particularly as compared to the merits of dressing up and partying). However, you could access mainframes in 1963 here in the UK. How many people had a use for a mainframe in 1963? Hell, how many people would have known what one did, even if they were in the computer room? (it was enough to make Ross Perot filthy rich). However, the clothes and parties here in the UK in 1963 were pretty crap unless you were a cabinet minister (see Profumo).

      The solution to this problem is time not hardware.

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    4. Re: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yes, I have been to Africa recently...

      The problem in Africa...

      A bigger problem is people describing 'Africa', and giving a one size fits all solution.

      It makes as much sense as talking about the Americas and assuming what's good for the US is good for Venezuela.

    5. Re: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like the US is one nation.

    6. Re:No by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Also culture and genetics.

    7. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus, nice comment

      Alternately time will lead us to a place where thugs enslave geniuses which help them enslave everyone until the AI robots they develop turn on the thugs and the AI start breeding us for duracell purposes. Sadly less of that is meant to be funny than I would prefer.

    8. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used laptop is under $200 and it is very usable for anything you could think of. Cheaper than the lowest price iDevice and most of midrange android phones.

    9. Re:No by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Currently in vietnam and haven't seen an old school PC in three weeks. Tablets are really popular, and the highest end shops here have laptops, but full blown desktop PCs don't seem to exist here as far as I can tell. I saw one a week ago and it was running Windows 98.

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    10. Re: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're far closer to being a homogeneous culture than the whole African continent!

    11. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tablets are really only useful for consuming content.

      That's purely opinion.
      You might see Tablets as content consumers, but they are perfectly capable of being used to create content. Even quality content. (with time due to limited processing power and memory)

      You can easily connect keyboard and mice to them.
      Most recent and decent ones even allow connection to external monitors for more screen real-estate.
      There's plenty of decent, non-shitty apps for creating content, be it textual, image, 3D models, animation and film, audio and music, etc.
      Worth it if you aren't creating hugely complex content. That is, unless, it is a hobby in which case it's perfectly fine.

  3. China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphones by fubarrr · · Score: 4, Informative

    China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphones for half a decade.

    Those things sell like hot cakes in South Asia and Africa.

    For an even longer period, they were selling $70 arm6 based crapbooks. First ones came during netbook boom, and they are being sold to this day to the same markets I named above. You can't do anything with them other than checking email, playing mp3s, or browsing nineties level websites, but for most people there it is more than enough.

  4. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheap tablets that barely last a year running buggy and insecure OS versions. Sure that might work in the ghetto. I guess. Are our standards that low now?

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, i would say the security is the biggest issue. It's could easily ruin someone's life, if the insecure "android 2.2" device is hacked and you are using bank software or have any other important information on it.

      No the cheap crap is not trustforthy enough to bridge the digital divide. I don't really trust the expenssive crap either, though, but certainly not some crappy old software from whoever.

  5. NO! Just NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tablets absolutely suck at anything that requires typing more than a short sentence or two! And no, a bluetooth keyboard cannot really help much. They must be paired up at every use, are usually much too small, and are just one more battery powered device that needs to be kept charged.

    Yes I have tried using a 7 inch tablet (with a bluetooth keyboard). As stated above, anything that requires typing more than one or two short sentences is a huge pain, especially with the on-screen "keyboard"!

    Add that to the fact that many schools require homework to be printed out, or submitted in certain propitiatory file formats and that lets out doing homework.

    Tablets (or Phablets, or so called "smart" phones) will never be able to replace laptop or desktop computers. I realize that a $50 tablet may be the only thing that some can afford in this economy. However, Several friends and I have found off-lease Lenovo Thinkpads (T400) that will do anything we need (with the exception of high-end games), and are available for very reasonable prices.

    1. Re: NO! Just NO! by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Isn't Office 365 available for Android?

      More and more printers support wireless printing from mobile devices.

      Bigger issue in my experience is the dated OS results in app store updates which break functionality on the device.

    2. Re: NO! Just NO! by robotech.master2841 · · Score: 1
      I'm typing this comment with Swype and not really having any trouble. I just Swype in a whole word at a time, nearly as fast as if I was touch typing. Sometimes Swype guesses the wrong word, but that's easily fixed most times.

      Also, Bluetooth keyboards don't need to be re-paired each time you use them, at least as long as you just use them with a single device. They hook right back up when you turn them on. And battery life largely isn't an issue, since they don't have an energy-intensive display. The ones I've used can go for weeks of light use on a single charge.

  6. Lines at the DMV by kamaaina · · Score: 1

    I renewed my tabs online and went to pick it up at an office once (my procrastination my fault), granted there are some transactions that can't be done online but I feel like a lot of people in the walk up line good have done their stuff online and just jumped in the Internet pickup line.

    There seemed like there were 10 or 20 people in the walk up line whereas there were 3 off us in the Internet line. Maybe the digital divide exists and some just want to do it the old fashion way and wait in line.

    Another similar thing was during the holidays for Santa picture taking, you could schedule online, then go to the Internet scheduled line which was pretty empty whereas the normal wait line seemed to be an hour or two.

    Watching people surf on the phone while waiting in line rather than schedule online then jump in front seems weird to me. Maybe they want the full experience or feel that it is unfair to go ahead of everyone.

  7. $42 laptops for little kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you can buy a dedicated kid-friendly tablet for $100-$200, for $42 you can get a full fledged 7" android tablet with detachable keyboard from Walmart. Equipped with Youtube Kids and other apps of your choice, it's a computer affordable to and disposable enough for little kids, and fully usable by them - I almost never get called in for tech support. The 5 year old is learning letters ("LOL "anyway), and the 6 year old learning words on it (mostly "ponies"). But they are learning where the letters are on a standard keyboard.

  8. Works great until you have to update it. by Monster_user · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been called upon to restore apps from backup when the latest update doesn't work with the device. OS updates are usually not available for these devices. You just use it until most of your apps stop working and then buy a new one to get a more current OS. Such is a hidden cost which severely limits the life span, and increases the cost of the device.

    1. Re:Works great until you have to update it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You just use it until most of your apps stop working and then buy a new one to get a more current OS.

      So, just like a cellphone.

    2. Re:Works great until you have to update it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the big question: Why?

      With the cheapest crap desktop that you can possibly buy, you can still type "apt-get upgrade." What, exactly, is the property of cheapness that prevents upgrades?

  9. Extend support for Windows XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are millions of old computers still using Windows XP which can be used. We just need Microsoft to do the right thing and continue security updates for it and get Firefox to keep releasing new versions for it. 5.6% of users still use XP, together, we can make use of legacy technology for good.

    1. Re: Extend support for Windows XP by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft knew how to "do the right thing" people wouldn't still be talking about XP like it is something anyone should ever long for the days of.

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    2. Re: Extend support for Windows XP by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

      Anything that old should just use Linux.

  10. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actively try to talk people out of this line of thinking. For applying for jobs, there are too many things that require internet explorer and honestly writing a term paper on a tablet sounds impossible if you consider having to have references for formatting, looking at material to source, and having the paper open all on the same seven inch tablet. Sure, if you can split screen on such a cheap device, but doing any sort of word processing on this sounds like a complete and utter cramped mess.

    You can pick up a chromebook thatâ(TM)s will do all that for a bargain if you get an open box or a used one. It may not be a full PC by some peopleâ(TM)s standards, but a 14 inch chromebook with a palpable keyboard and 2-4 Gb of ram and a somewhat traditional desktop will get you much further.

    A lot of these 50$ tablets are just traps for unsuspecting children, parents and elderly or non-tech savy. I do my best to try and educate people I run into shopping encourage them to spend money on something more worthwhile.

    1. Re:No. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Forget Chromebooks; if you're going to spend that much, you can get an HP Stream Pro G3 11.6" running Windows 10 Pro 64 for under $200. It's an anemic Celeron processor, and it's 1366x768, and the MMC is only 64 GB, but if you want something that's cheap and will run everything you really really need, it's fine. Very lightweight, too - 2.57 lb/ / 1.17 kg. I've been trialing it for the role of "crappy notebook that I take when I don't expect to need a real computer but might end up needing one anyway", and it has done just fine.

    2. Re: No. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      I haven't encountered a website requiring IE in about a decade. Most people use iOS or Android for the web. At least *try* to come up with some *believable* bullshit.

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    3. Re: No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Iâ(TM)ve pulled a chromebook with the same specs at a pawnshop for 80$ and given it to a relative or friend for light browsing and watching YouTube, ect. They donâ(TM)t go for much because of their perceived uselessness.

      You have to remember that they arenâ(TM)t talking about someone who is necessarily tech savy, and after handing out cheap chromebooks to friends and family who only want to do typical internet activities these days and occasionally print something, I can certify it is definitely a device in that it doesnâ(TM)t break down, stop working or age. There is one in our household that is used for homework and media consumption. It does that magnificently and Iâ(TM)ve never had to doctor it or fix someoneâ(TM)s mess.

      If it were me of course needing a new machine and I were on a budget or broke, Iâ(TM)d get 350$ bucks together and swing for a i3 7100u and drop 50$ on an ssd. Of course that is me, not everyone. These chromebooks provide an acceptable keyboard, a passable desktop, a web browser and some dependability, sure it isnâ(TM)t a full computer but Iâ(TM)d rather the children in my family have this than a tablet at all, itâ(TM)s safer, especially when they donâ(TM)t have someone tech savy to help, it teaches people how to type on a keyboard, which is a lost skill in some children these days.

      In short, itâ(TM)s probably not a good solution for anyone on slashdot, but I think itâ(TM)s a good deal for an entry device over a tablet. If you want windows, at least get an i3 so you get some use out of windows.

    4. Re: No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I had a family member recently quit their job of 15 years out of the blue and search for another. The United States Postal Service wouldnâ(TM)t let several parts of the application process be submitted unless it was done in internet explorer. I had to go over and show them as they had only been using chrome.

      Also Autozone prefers Firefox for everything still these days which is kinda a weird browser choice but whatever.

      Only browser I havenâ(TM)t seen as a preferred choice while helping him through this process is Safari, in fact it tends to be the least supported.

    5. Re:No. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      honestly writing a term paper on a tablet sounds impossible if you consider having to have references for formatting, looking at material to source, and having the paper open all on the same seven inch tablet. Sure, if you can split screen on such a cheap device, but doing any sort of word processing on this sounds like a complete and utter cramped mess.

      I'm not so sure, especially not with a 10" tablet. And you CAN split the screen with Android Nougat. Besides people were doing wordprocessing on single-tasking machines without any networking back in the 70's and 80's.

  11. No by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Cheap phones can. Tablets are really only useful for consuming content. Now, cheap laptops yes. A keyboard, word processor, spreadsheets, programming environment, etc. Eg a full on PC. The truncated experience you get on a tablet doesn't cut it.

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  12. Silver bullet on line one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did smartphones bridge the digital divide? Then why do we expect tablets to do something smartphones didn't.

    1. Re: Silver bullet on line one. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes they did.

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  13. You STUPID American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never divide! Multiply by inverse! Good stock!

  14. 1/2 right by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    A couple of years ago I got a cheap (~$200) 10" Windows tablet. It came with 8.1 but I was able to upgrade to Windows 10. It's not fast and it can't multitask worth a damn with only 2GB RAM but it blows any Android/Chromebook/iPad out of the water for actually doing what I need to get done. The fact Apple crippled the iPad Pro with iOS instead of a touch friendly MacOS boggles the mind. The only time I pull out my Android tablet these days is to play a game. Unless you ave a specific use case where Android works a full OS device is still a better choice.

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    1. Re:1/2 right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I totally agree, your cheap Windows tablet is four times the price of the devices mentioned in the article. That's a big difference if you are short on funds.

    2. Re:1/2 right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a shitty Windows/Android tablet, and let me tell you, the experience of using Windows 10 on a tablet was so absolutely MISERABLE that I wiped it and left only Android. Then it became at least somewhat usable.

      Also, learn from my mistake: never buy anything by Onda, their build quality is terrible.

    3. Re:1/2 right by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Also, learn from my mistake: never buy anything by Onda, their build quality is terrible.

      The rule is actually that you never buy a product from someone whose trademark is a trick. If it's the same name as a real company, but just a letter or syllable away, it's a trap.

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  15. No: Domain Solutions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital Divide isn't the exclusive domain of any particular country, although it's resolution needs to be tailored for each.

  16. Tech has not been the problem for a long time by iamacat · · Score: 1

    If you are poor, you have other concerns like a place to live, food to eat (especially something that doesn't give you diabetes at 25), somone to watch kids while you go to an interview. A cheap prepaid phone with mobile data, has not been a limiting factor for many years. It's not that tech does not help at all, it's just that the potential has been tapped out at this point and other kinds of help are needed. At least in US, obviously greater access to cell phones has important practical uses in developing countries and refugee camps.

    1. Re:Tech has not been the problem for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that tech does not help at all, it's just that the potential has been tapped out at this point and other kinds of help are needed.

      It's not that I disagree with your sentiment, but you are wrong on the facts here. Hardcore FOSS values and philosophies are relevant. There is metric fuck ton of utility potential that remains untapped. Walled Garden Overlords have a different agenda than tapping the full potential of tech.

    2. Re:Tech has not been the problem for a long time by iamacat · · Score: 1

      So maybe we need volunteers to teach poor people to toggle "unknown sources" preference and sideload hardcore FOSS app store or custom ROM. But, how much are they missing really? The last big innovation for the poor were service economy apps like Uber and Instacart. You may sleep in the car but you can at least earn a little cash using the same car while awake. Anyway, those are already in the walled garden. What else do you have in mind - not saying it's impossible, but we need to be specific. I guess adult services/pot delivery may need a sideloaded apk.

  17. Re:China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...checking email, playing mp3s, or browsing 90s level websites...

    You pretty much described my "workaday agenda" as a refugee of laptopistan. And my open floor plan is so large that it encompasses two Starbucks, a McDonalds, two public library branches, and I use a 20-odd passenger minibus to get around. I use a laptop where others use their cell phones.

    nineties level websites? I use craigslist.org to check for opportunities, you insensitive clod!*

    *and the occasional "casual encounter" for lo-budget soft pr0n. NSFW

  18. The tablet is cheaper than internet service by chromaexcursion · · Score: 1

    Unless you can get free or cheap wi-fi, a decent internet connection costs more than the tablet.
    Perhaps this will drive making low price internet service available to low income households.

  19. Hype for jobs by DCFusor · · Score: 1
    "People with no or low income could search for better jobs". Yeah, right. Dead giveaway it's a shill talking. So if they want more than H1B pay...they'd better be pretty accomplished at something already - which means they have associations and connections in whatever business.
    Manufacturers complaining about a lack of talent mean "I can't find anyone who can walk in the door with 5 year experience running this cad/cam/cnc that's only existed for 1 or 2 and who will work for...minimum wage...".
    Or maybe the author thinks that meaningless marketing jobs like his are going wanting?
    .

    You gonna learn how to program on a tablet? n Really?
    If you have no or low income, isn't that an indicator of something else like, maybe there aren't many jobs period, or good ones for people at your level of accomplishment and drive - making a bit of hardware relatively meaningless?

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  20. Nice: spoiler alert. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't need broadband. Just an acceptable internet connection. The city next door has city-wide WiFi. Not to mention most smartphones already have an acceptable connection. People can get online, it's just those spoiled by their home connection who can't understand what a gift the alternatives are.

    1. Re:Nice: spoiler alert. by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Don't need broadband. Just an acceptable internet connection. The city next door has city-wide WiFi. Not to mention most smartphones already have an acceptable connection. People can get online, it's just those spoiled by their home connection who can't understand what a gift the alternatives are.

      That's great in theory. Where I live there is free wifi downtown, free wifi at mcdonalds and several coffee houses, free wifi at the public library, and the school even offers free wifi to its students before and after school. The problem with this is that even the before and after school option requires actually travelling somewhere and some cheap and reliable transportation to get there. I live in a partially rural area where public transportation doesn't really exist and even some of the poor that have jobs don't actually own a car. They generally manage to figure out the bare necessities to get to work by bumming off a co-worker or something similar but actually finding a reliable way to visit the library or show up at school an hour early to use the internet is many times out of their reach. Sure, there are ways. They can walk the 5 miles into town, they can hitchhike, etc... but I think you underestimate some of the challenges the truly poor have. They are not worried about where to find internet. They are a lot more concerned about where to find this month's (or week's) rent money or the money to buy dinner tonight.

    2. Re:Nice: spoiler alert. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They can walk the 5 miles into town, they can hitchhike, etc... but I think you underestimate some of the challenges the truly poor have. They are not worried about where to find internet. They are a lot more concerned about where to find this month's (or week's) rent money or the money to buy dinner tonight.

      Sigh. Congratulations, you just described the digital divide. That is literally what we are talking about. Having to walk or hitch into town to get internet access is the digital divide. Just like having to wait around at bus stops and then be crammed into a shitty box with sweaty people is the transportation divide.

      This is precisely why not having a cellphone with an internet plan makes you a second-class (or lower) citizen. It is taken for granted today that you will have this. If not, it makes it more difficult to do literally anything any more.

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    3. Re:Nice: spoiler alert. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      This is precisely why not having a cellphone with an internet plan makes you a second-class (or lower) citizen. It is taken for granted today that you will have this. If not, it makes it more difficult to do literally anything any more.

      I have a phone without a data plan, but I wouldn't exactly call myself a second class citizen...not yet. But it's getting there.

      My actual phone service is cheap, but to get a data plan the companies basically want to charge me 4 or 5 times as much.

  21. Cheap has been tried before by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 1

    If cheaptastic silicon can fix the "divide," than all of 3rd Worldistan would have been on Packard Bell pizza box form factor machines like fifteen years ago, complete with 72-pin EDO sticks for the RAM on a daughterboard.

  22. Re: NO! Just NO! by zilym · · Score: 1

    Indeed. My dad bought a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard and the specs claim it can last TWO YEARS between charging. It can pair to three different devices and you just switch between them on the keyboard. So awesome!

    Now, I do agree that there are problems with the OS. Even with a Bluetooth keyboard paired, Android wants to erroneously pop up the onscreen keyboard for no good reason when you don't need it, and then other times when you don't have the Bluetooth keyboard handy, it's impossible to get Android to pop up the damn onscreen keyboard!

    Anyway, I'm sure someone will get the software right eventually...

  23. Students could do homework and term papers on thei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh huh. I'd like to see anyone to a term paper on a tablet, and not feel the need to commit seppuku three sentences in the task.

  24. Not needed by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Anyone who wanted a cheap device could already get a used one for very low cost.

    1. Re:Not needed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Anyone who wanted a cheap device could already get a used one for very low cost.

      Anyone who has bought used Android hardware knows precisely why it was available used, and that reason is that it is no longer supported. Never buy used Android hardware unless it's barely used, and comes from a reputable manufacturer known to release updates.

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    2. Re: Not needed by charlesTheLurker · · Score: 1

      Last 2 phones came from swappa.com. I have no complaints. Of course, every Android device I own gets rooted & has a 3rd party build installed before I start using it.

  25. Re:China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crapphone? You can buy mighty nice phones for around the $30 mark. My Moto E LTE was $30 and it's a damn nice phone running the latest Android Nougat LineageOS.

  26. Google Voice by hackel · · Score: 2

    Not only is Google Voice only available in the States, it also requires a real, physical phone line (land line or mobile) to activate. I really don't think that does anything for people whose lives might be changed by a $50 tablet.

  27. The successful products by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    In terms of technology the Race to the bottom has been a failing proposition.
    Mid 1990's There is a computer called Gateway 2000. During this time they were a bit more expensive then the other PC makers, but in general they were built with good quality components. By the late 1990's and early 2000's Gateway had more or less peaked in their market, so they tried doing little tings over time to make their products, cheaper, to a point where Gateway 2000 PC were a joke.
    In the late 1990's there is a company called Dell, During this time they were a bit more expensive then the other PC makers, but in general they were built with good quality components..... I hope you get the point.

    For technology, we are normally better off getting the higher end/near higher end products, which can last a few years, and when new be a bit over powered for what the software can handle.
    Trying to give the equipment for cheap while it may run the current stuff, it will not support the products of the near future. So you are not really saving any money or helping out the underclass.

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  28. Define digital divide by Dracos · · Score: 1

    Will low prices contribute to getting devices into the hands of those who don't have them? Certainly.

    Do tablets enable anyone to participate in a digital world? Only to an extent. Tablets, as a hardware form factor, are far better at consumption than production. Anything with audio output and a 24-bit display can consume digital content. But typing on a screen is awkward if not tedious, and touch interfaces are primitive and imprecise compared to traditional pointer hardware. It's entirely possible for Photoshop or Autocad to be installed on a tablet, but the hardware doesn't give the user the ability to interact with them properly. Develop software on a tablet? Torture, even if you managed to cobble a toolset and workflow together, which would require breaking out of the walled garden vendors want tablets to be.

    The hardware, by its very nature, is why the mobile web sucks, proven every time someone apologizes for posting from their phone or tablet. No one ever did that for their desktop/laptop where there is a comfortably sized screen, real keyboard, and fully capable pointer.

    Even minimally spec'd laptops would do a better job of closing the digital divide than tablets, because they're equipped for producing. RIP One Laptop Per Child.

  29. Matbe it could help a little but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The digital divide is a product of poor economic, education and goverment decisions, technology can help but it can't solve the real problem.

  30. What happened to ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    .. to that project? One lap top per child? Their goal was a 100$ laptop right?

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  31. Re: China was already pumping ~$25 android crappho by kenh · · Score: 1

    Youâ(TM)e âoecheapâ moto E LTE doesnâ(TM)t cost $50

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  32. What is this dribble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Intel started paying people to use Atom CPUs (baytrail and beyond) and Microsoft gave away win8/10 for tablet use, the ONLY generally useful ultra low cost tabs are the windows ones.

    For less than 50 quid one can buy a full blown windows tab that can connect to a keyboard, monitor and mouse. Dumb dumbs disparage these devices cos they lack the power of desktop PCs- well duh! But they are full windows devices that run single apps brilliantly. Media players that kill anything on android. Any PC browser. Serious PC stuff like Office. No-one, and I mean no-one should be doing their homework on an android device. Android is a joke by design. Sure for noddy phone apps it is fine. But you ain't ever gonna be using your android device for real work.

    And again let me point out that these ultra cheap windows tabs run ALL ordianry windows applications, not just the new-UI crap from the microsoft store. There's a metric ton of older windows programs written to perform superbly well on ancient PCs that literally fly on these windows tabs. My only complaint is the 7" is the smallest size windows tabs are made. While usually you want a tab 8in or better, having a full-blown windows tab that fits in one's pocket (5.5in or smaller) would be mindblowing.

  33. Re: China was already pumping ~$25 android crappho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the curre 4th gen, dumbass. I'm talking about the 2nd or 3rd gen. Great phones for super cheap.

  34. Will not help by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    First of all, it is a stupid idea to force poor people in the arms of big companies like amazon and google. And even, if they could buy a cheap device for mail and web, they also need Internet access. As this either requires money for a connection at home or the money of a latte at the local coffee place, this is out of scope for them financially. Also the digital divide is not only a monetary issue, but also an education issue. If you want to help, train them in how to use a library and how to read and understand (most people can only read).

  35. Yeah, about that by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    I know 4-5 people on welfare. They all have cable TV ($140+/month). Most smoke cigarettes (around here, $4-$5 per cig).

    It ain't the price of a laptop + internet keeping them offline, it is the want/need that needs to be addressed.

    / gonna go on a limb here, if you can afford cable TV you don't get welfare.
    // if you smoke, you don't get welfare
    ///If you use EBT (food stamps) to buy anything but dried beans, rice, and canned tomatoes, you don't get welfare.

    I may sound like a Trumper here, but I work and pay my taxes and I'm fucking tired of supporting these leeches.

    1. Re:Yeah, about that by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Yeah, about that by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      Hmm, not sure how that happened. Correct link: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    3. Re:Yeah, about that by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I know 4-5 people on welfare. They all have cable TV ($140+/month)

      Are you sure they're paying that much, because locally the cable company has a basic service for about $20.

      ///If you use EBT (food stamps) to buy anything but dried beans, rice, and canned tomatoes, you don't get welfare.

      Really? You did know the largest demographic of poor people is children right? And what about people with disabilities? People who lost their jobs when a factory shut down? Rice and beans only for them as well?

      I may sound like a Trumper here, but I work and pay my taxes and I'm fucking tired of supporting these leeches.

      Nice dehumanization there. Did you ever think that they have also worked in the past? That they basically might be between jobs?

    4. Re:Yeah, about that by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      obligatory Samuel Johnson quotes incoming:

      "Poverty has, in large cities, very different appearances: it is often concealed in splendor, and often in extravagance. It is the care of a very great part of mankind to conceal their indigence from the rest; they support themselves by temporary expedients, and every day is lost in contriving for the morrow."

      What signifies, says some one, giving halfpence to beggars? they only lay it out in gin or tobacco. "And why should they be denied such sweeteners of their existence (says Johnson)? it is surely very savage to refuse them every possible avenue to pleasure, reckoned too coarse for our own acceptance. Life is a pill which none of us can bear to swallow without gilding; yet for the poor we delight in stripping it still barer, and are not ashamed to shew even visible displeasure, if ever the bitter taste is taken from their mouths."

  36. Re: China was already pumping ~$25 android crappho by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Youâ(TM)e âoecheapâ moto E LTE doesnâ(TM)

    I see you don't know that Slashdot still doesn't support Unicode, but apparently you're new here.

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  37. Plenty of cheap Android tablets in the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are plenty of sub $50 Android tablets in the market. NONE have made a dent on the market share.

    Every single one of them is basically a throwaway tablet you give to a kid. Even the best one, the Amazon Fire, is not good enough for real life usage.

  38. Pathetic posters. by thadtheman · · Score: 1

    Reading all this I came to a thought. The posters are all pathetic. Why? Because they mostly say that tablets are only good for content consumption. They all ignore the question of what the content is. Nowadays you can go on youtube and watch enough videos to get the equivalent of a bachelors in most topics. Given the choice of teachers, you can even do better then a standard university where you will be forced to learn from a couple of dud professors. You can buy any text book, or obtain it for free if you are not picky about legality. You can read a great many blogs which are more then just the common trash, and actually learn other things too. I remember the 80's and visiting Russain academics telling me how they had it hard because they would get one preprint and then they would have to read it and circulate it around. They couldn't just make a photocopy. Before you can produce content, you have to learn how to produce content. Tablets go a long way towards helping with that. Granted they are not a panacea.

    1. Re:Pathetic posters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....huh?

  39. Re: China was already pumping ~$25 android crappho by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    peep that four-digit slashdot id, yo

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  40. Re: China was already pumping ~$25 android crappho by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I see you don't know that Slashdot still doesn't support Unicode, but apparently you're new here.

    Some of us are just past caring whether Slashdot looks as incompetent as it actually is when we copy and paste.

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  41. Impersonating me? Weak... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Whoever the fool is attempting to "impersonate me" is only proves that I've REALLY 'gotten to them' somehow (thanks).

    * I am with you on something though - there is a TON of bogus downmoderation but as the saying goes? "When all your opposition has is censorship you've obviously won" (& I am highly against the LOON(s) who shot all those folks up in Vegas - I think it's somekind of falseflag OR an attempt @ further dividing our nation up ala the KING of bogus evil in that capacity, George Soros paying off groups like BLM & Antifa to do so...) - but GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - people do. NO reason to ban guns!

    As far as "AssFux" Ash-Fox? That whimp's a weasel who ALWAYS starts w/ me (he's 'butthurt' I've busted him up on tech issues is all that is)...

    APK

    P.S.=> Provoking weasel reactions like yours is all the satisfaction anyone needs... apk

  42. Re:China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphon by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    browsing nineties level websites,

    I use Gopher you insensitive clod.

  43. Re:NO! Just NO! by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    They must be paired up at every use

    No, they don't, as long as you don't pair them to a different device. And there are even exceptions to that.

    are usually much too small

    Bigger ones are available.

    and are just one more battery powered device that needs to be kept charged.

    Bluetooth keyboards last a LONG time on a charge, not even taking into account the ones that use AAA or AA batteries.

    Add that to the fact that many schools require homework to be printed out,

    Printers that support Cloud printing or bluetooth printing are a thing.

    or submitted in certain propitiatory file formats and that lets out doing homework.

    Google Docs and android office suites are a thing

  44. Time for you to make an account already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You've been posting without an account for years but behaving far from anonymously.

    We're going to shut you down. Even though everyone already thinks you're a total fucking joke, we're going to make sure that even YOU know that you're a fucking joke.

    diaf apk

  45. Re: NO! Just NO! by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    My dad bought a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard and the specs claim it can last TWO YEARS between charging. It can pair to three different devices and you just switch between them on the keyboard. So awesome!

    The K480 with the dial? That thing is awesome.

    https://www.logitech.com/en-us...

    Though I only paid $11 for it, not $49, on clearance at Wal-Mart. I don't know why they weren't selling, it's very nice for a bluetooth keyboard.

  46. Re:China was already pumping ~$25 android crapphon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    browsing nineties level websites,

    I use Gopher you insensitive clod.

    Dear Mr. Insensitive Clod,

    I use letter correspondence.

    Sincerely,
    Mr. Anonymous Coward, DBE

  47. Re:NO! Just NO! by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

    Indeed. And the original article did discuss both writing in Word formats and printing stuff as well.

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  48. Re: NO! Just NO! by aap · · Score: 1

    K480 is nice but kind of bulky. K380 is more mobile.

  49. The Fire is not bad hardware. by charlesTheLurker · · Score: 1

    Heh. I'm reading this story on my Rooted & re-imaged 7" Amazon Fire, running lp-fire-nexus-rom-20161124 (Android 5.1). It's a nice little machine, but it took me a full day to get the Exploit that gave me control to work. Not so simple for someone on the wrong side of the Digital Divide.

  50. Re: NO! Just NO! by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

    Now, I do agree that there are problems with the OS. Even with a Bluetooth keyboard paired, Android wants to erroneously pop up the onscreen keyboard for no good reason when you don't need it,

    I seem to recall using a sort of "null keyboard" in the past to deal with this problem...not sure what app it was, but this one came up on a search for "Android null keyboard."

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