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Anticipating Samsung's AMOLED Mixed Reality Headset (windowscentral.com)

Eloking quotes Windows Central: At an event in San Francisco, HoloLens inventor Alex Kipman outlined the future of Windows Mixed Reality, which Redmond seems to believe is the future of computing. Whether or not it is remains to be seen, but either way, there will be no shortage of Windows Mixed Reality headsets this holiday season, with perhaps the most compelling option coming from Samsung.

The $500 Samsung HMD Odyssey sports dual AMOLED eye displays, complete with a 110-degree field of view. This could potentially make a huge difference in the quality of the Windows Mixed Reality experience for two reasons. First, AMOLED displays can generate deeper blacks and more vibrant colors than your average OLED or LCD screen. Second, all other Windows Mixed Reality headsets we've seen have a 95-degree FoV. The Samsung headset will be more immersive because there will be less dead space in your peripheral vision.

The headset -- which comes with motion controllers -- is expected to launch in one month.

36 comments

  1. AMOLED = low durability by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure, AMOLED gives a great picture - at first. But durability is not its strong suit: as the blue diodes degrade much faster than the others, it takes just a couple of years of regular use for a display to become yellowed.

    1. Re:AMOLED = low durability by locopuyo · · Score: 2

      Easy fix. Use white ones with color filters.

    2. Re:AMOLED = low durability by Solandri · · Score: 1

      I've got a Samsung Galaxy S with AMOLED screen from 2010 (first year they used it) sitting on the desk next to me (I was prepping it so I could give it to one of the kids as a service-less phone for games). I used it for 4 years before upgrading to a Nexus 5. Opening the white Email app on both phones, the AMOLED screen on the Galaxy S is actually slightly bluer than the IPS screen on the Nexus 5.

      I'm not saying the OLEDs don't wear out. But given how much I used it over 4 years and how well it's held up, IMHO the reports of the screens yellowing are greatly exaggerated. Probably based on a few outlier examples of people who used the devices unusually heavily. They seem to hold up just fine under "normal" or my "more than normal" use.

    3. Re:AMOLED = low durability by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      A problem solved several years ago. OLED are now expected to outlive all devices with which they are sold. Not just phone but TVs and upcoming computer displays too. Though that part one is the only one in skeptical about.

      Seriously fading was a problem with first and second generation smartphones and no one has spoken about it since.

    4. Re:AMOLED = low durability by Wescotte · · Score: 2

      I don't think the blue diode is nearly as big a deal as it used to be. Cell phones have been using them for years and I don't see massive complaints about them degrading with a yellow tint. Also, both HTC Vive and Rift use OLED displays and have been on the market nearly 18 months now with no reports (that I'm aware of) of display degradation.

      This might be an issue for OLED TVs because it's more likely you keep them around for 10+ years. Even if the blue does eventually cause problems these HMDs won't be relevant long as better/cheaper models will exist by then.

    5. Re:AMOLED = low durability by Xamindar · · Score: 1

      I don't know why people keep spouting the lie that the OLED problem has been solved. My 2016 Moto Z already has noticeable burn-in after only a year of use. Problem has not been solved and anyone spouting this lie is blindly believing what the manufacturers are telling them. I can't wait to start hearing of all the burn-in/yellowing of the insanely expensive OLED TVs everyone bought in a couple of years.

    6. Re:AMOLED = low durability by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I don't know why people keep reverting to the anecdote is not data fallacy. 2016? Fuck if my phone did that I'd get a warranty replacement for a defective screen.

  2. By one today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok parents, run out to but the $500 Samsung HMD Odyssey for you spoiled child so he can play with for an hour and then never tough it again.

  3. Re:BAN BUMP STOCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legitimate reason: So I can lay down suppressing fire when the government comes to take my guns away.

  4. TFTs last great unless you smash them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same with DPS(?) displays. (Whatever the wider viewing range ones were after the TFT stuff.)

    Having a variety of each, the only failing point I have had with them, other than the rare stuck pixel (a number of times due either to wiring issues (colored line) or a physical impact to the screen), is the backlight, which due to being a CCFL only lasts a few years on average, although many models have lasted or continue to last years beyond what was expected.

  5. Re:More of our cake? by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    The funny this is, I bet you think you're intelligent.

    --
    "Old man yells at systemd"
  6. AMOLED sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    AMOLED sucks, Steve Jobs explained this quite clearly and...

    Oh wait, Tim Cook says AMOLED is the best. Sorry, carry on.

  7. Welcome to planed obsolescence by DrYak · · Score: 1

    But durability is not its strong suit: {...} it takes just a couple of years of regular use for a display to become yellowed.

    And this is a problem for Samsung how ?

    In the modern era of planed obsolescence where manufacturer expect their user base to throw away the old gizmo and buy a new one every 12 months, nobody gives a fart if the device's display will eventually die after a few years.

    Or at least that what manufacturer are thinking.
    Now whether it does actually makes sense to spend on an expensive mixed-reality gadget, only to throw it away after 1-2 years is an entirely different question that is completely ignored by manufacturers (and Apple users too, BTW).

    --
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    1. Re:Welcome to planed obsolescence by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      These things are gen 1.5 devices which will be antiquated in a couple of years and obsolete in a couple more. Most people will have replaced them well before then.

  8. Re:BAN BUMP STOCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCK OFF troll

  9. Anybody using VR headsets for code development? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Start with code (text) editor windows that can see all the code by moving your head. Add UI controls that show direct links to their response (press) code. Then do a database program showing how information is to be accessed. Visual debugging of an app.

    Yes, you can do all that now - but at five bills, this Samsung VR headset is cheaper than one big 4K monitor.

    Could be an interesting product - Add it as an Eclipse plug in and I'd definitely be interested in it.

    1. Re:Anybody using VR headsets for code development? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      The resolution of current headsets is too low for dealing with lots of text. I believe the Samsung's resolution is higher, but not by that much.

      Give it a few more years, then try again.

    2. Re:Anybody using VR headsets for code development? by NoZart · · Score: 1

      the Samsung HMD is "reported" to be at this threshhold. The Pimax 8k is definitely usable as a Desktop replacement

    3. Re:Anybody using VR headsets for code development? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If it's not a "retina" display, then it's not suitable. Period.

      Even if it were, I suspect the head tracking lag would be a dealbreaker. If everything is swimming slightly all the time, I'm definitely gonna spew.

      I hope that we can have it someday, though. I was fantasizing about this and writing about it over a decade ago.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  10. Re: More of our cake? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is that most people, even those of nominally high intelligence, approach the subject of gun control emotionally and ideologically rather than logically; hence the popular logical fallacy that you're safer when you've been disarmed...

  11. The Specs by DumbSwede · · Score: 3, Informative

    Samsung HMD Odyssey (Headset)
    Platform Windows Mixed Reality
    Display Dual 3.5” AMOLED
    1,440 x 1,600 @90/60Hz
    Interface HDMI2.0 + USB 3.0 Interface Bound Cable (4m Length)
    Lens Single Fresnel
    Field of View 66, FOV 110, 6.7X
    IPD 60-72mm Range
    Camera 6 DOF Camera x 2
    Sensor Accelerometer(6 Axis)| Gyrometer(6 Axis )|
    Compass(3 Axis)|Proximity Sensor| IPD Sensor
    Acoustics 2 MIC Support| Cortana|Built-in AKG Headphone
    Control & Function Volume|IPD Adjustment
    Dimension 202mm(W) x 131.5mm(D) x 111mm(H)
    Weight 645g
    Samsung HMD Odyssey (Controller)
    Control & Function Touchpad (Clickable), Menu button
    Windows/Controller power button, Trigger, Thumbstick, Indicator light
    Sensor Accelerometer(6 Axis)| Gyrometer(6 Axis )|
    Compass(3 Axis)
    Battery AA Battery x 2ea
    Dimension 154.2 x 119.1 x 119.1mm
    Weight 160g

    from https://news.samsung.com/us/sa...

  12. Re: More of our cake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But like.. statistically speaking.. you are safer. Its not a logical argument, its a statistical one.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

  13. Re: More of our cake? by NoZart · · Score: 2

    The really sad thing is that this logical argument flies directly in the face of reality. Just compare gun violence statistics from the U.S. with some country that has strict gun control laws, like Austria, or Australia.

  14. Re: More of our cake? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Just compare gun violence statistics from the U.S. with some country that has strict gun control laws, like Austria, or Australia.

    Except that gun violence is rising again in Australia, so they're having another gun amnesty. The laws have failed to prevent habitual criminals from getting their hands on guns thus far.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  15. Re: More of our cake? by SirSlud · · Score: 1

    Why yes, that is an emotionally and ideologically grounded statement, thank you for the example.

    --
    "Old man yells at systemd"
  16. Re: More of our cake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/heres-why-australia-will-never-understand-the-us-obsession-with-guns-20171003-gyt7ys.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

    Right...

  17. Impersonating me? Weak... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Whoever the fool is attempting to "impersonate me" is only proves that I've REALLY 'gotten to them' somehow (thanks).

    * I am with you on something though - there is a TON of bogus downmoderation but as the saying goes? "When all your opposition has is censorship you've obviously won" (& I am highly against the LOON(s) who shot all those folks up in Vegas - I think it's somekind of falseflag OR an attempt @ further dividing our nation up ala the KING of bogus evil in that capacity, George Soros paying off groups like BLM & Antifa to do so...) - but GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - people do. NO reason to ban guns there.

    As far as "AssFux" Ash-Fox? That whimp's a weasel who ALWAYS starts w/ me (he's 'butthurt' I've busted him up on tech issues is all that is)...

    APK

    P.S.=> Provoking weasel reactions like yours is all the satisfaction anyone needs... apk

  18. Re: More of our cake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong stat. The intent of an armed civilians is to keep their government in check.

  19. Re:BAN BUMP STOCKS by Agripa · · Score: 1

    If bump stocks converted semi-automatic weapons into fully automatic weapons, then they would have already been banned.

    https://www.slidefire.com/down...

    The statutory definition of a machine gun is:

    Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

    Is this only a technicality? The laws *are* technical in detail and various groups including the BATFE and other government organizations have taken advantage of this for almost 83 years to persecute firearm owners. Blame them, Congress, and your obtuse attitude for the lack of cooperation after so much bad faith.

    Want an example? Senator "turn them all in" Feinstein's bill to ban bump stocks also bans every replacement part which lowers and maybe even affects lock time. Is that just a drafting mistake or deliberate from a Senator who should be an expert in law?

  20. Re: More of our cake? by Agripa · · Score: 1

    I am sure the victims of Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong , and Pol Pot would agree.

  21. Open source driver and firmware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If not then samsung can fuck right off. The world already has two good closed source VR sets, Rift and Vive.

  22. Anticipating Oculus Pacific by Katatsumuri · · Score: 1

    which will be slow but wireless and cheap at $200.