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How Does Microsoft Avoid Being the Next IBM? (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: For fans of the platform, the official confirmation that Windows on phones isn't under active development any longer -- security bugs will be fixed, but new features and new hardware aren't on the cards -- isn't a big surprise. This is merely a sad acknowledgement of what we already knew. Last week, Microsoft also announced that it was getting out of the music business, signaling another small retreat from the consumer space. It's tempting to shrug and dismiss each of these instances, pointing to Microsoft's continued enterprise strength as evidence that the company's position remains strong. And certainly, sticking to the enterprise space is a thing that Microsoft could do. Become the next IBM: a stable, dull, multibillion dollar business. But IBM probably doesn't want to be IBM right now -- it has had five straight years of falling revenue amid declining relevance of its legacy businesses -- and Microsoft probably shouldn't want to be the next IBM, either. Today, Microsoft is facing similar pressures -- Windows, though still critical, isn't as essential to people's lives as it was a decade ago -- and risks a similar fate. Dropping consumer ambitions and retreating to the enterprise is a mistake. Microsoft's failure in smartphones is bad for Windows, and it's bad for Microsoft's position in the enterprise as a whole.

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  1. A few lousy conjectures, there ... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful
    First let me state I am anything but a Windows fanboy. I have a school-aged son and the first thing he ever knew about Microsoft was "crash". However I know that I can't escape the claws of Microsoft in much of my existence.

    official confirmation that Windows on phones isn't under active development any longer -- security bugs will be fixed, but new features and new hardware aren't on the cards -- isn't a big surprise

    So they tried something, and it didn't work out for them. What's the big deal? I don't see people lining up to bash Apple over the Newton.

    Last week, Microsoft also announced that it was getting out of the music business, signaling another small retreat from the consumer space

    How many people even knew Microsoft was in the music business? The top companies for purchasing music are Apple, Google, and Amazon. It's highly unlikely there could have been space for a fourth.

    pointing to Microsoft's continued enterprise strength as evidence that the company's position remains strong

    Good job, you found where the money is. They make more money in a month selling licenses for Windows Server than they likely ever made in music.

    Windows, though still critical, isn't as essential to people's lives as it was a decade ago -- and risks a similar fate.

    You're simply wrong on the notion of it not being as essential. The vast overwhelming majority of all PCs sold at retail come with Windows on them. The vast overwhelming majority of PCs sold to businesses do as well. It is as relevant to the average person as a refrigerator, only with a vastly shorter life span. As long as they get vendors of relevant software to keep pushing users to newer versions of Windows, they're set for the rest of nearly forever.

    Dropping consumer ambitions and retreating to the enterprise is a mistake.

    This is also ignoring one enormous cash cow for Microsoft - Office. Yeah, for the majority of consumers the free office suites are more than sufficient, but you cannot convince them of that. And now Microsoft, for all intents and purposes, only sells consumer subscriptions to Office, that users have to renew every year. This is absolutely not abandoning consumer for enterprise.

    This also is ignoring all the efforts that go in to XBox development. The Microsoft - Sony duopoly has all but killed Nintendo from the most profitable segments of the gaming market. Why would Microsoft retreat from that - especially when they keep telling us how great the next (strangely-named) XBox console will be?

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    1. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? The Nintendo Wii absolutely destroyed the XBOX and PS competition in total sales. Sony straight up stopped making handhelds because Nintendo was so dominant.

      Now the Nintendo Switch is so popular the supply can't even meet demand. Combine its sales with the WiiU and Nintendo is right there with PS4 and XBONE in total sales.

    2. Re: A few lousy conjectures, there ... by dougdonovan · · Score: 2

      i like windows. it pays me 6 figures a year. i prefer linux but it does not pay. microsoft cant avoid being the next ibm because there is too much money at stake for both companies.

    3. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looking at your responses what I take is that Microsoft isn't going to be the next IBM, they're just not going to see the kinds of growth that they enjoyed in the years when consumers were having to buy computers for the first time in order to get on the Internet.

      Think about it, there was a period from the mid-nineties to the mid noughties where we went from little consumer Internet use to a large majority of households having consumer Internet access, even faster-than-modem access. Being the dominant PC operating system meant that Windows itself was overwhelmingly profitable and expanded Microsoft's profits more than ever before, and likely without costing the company all that much in development to do so.

      Once the vast majority of households have PCs though, sales growth will tail-off. Sure there will still be lots of sales, but those sales will come in the form of replacing existing PCs with new ones preloaded with Windows, not whole new markets getting in on top of replacement PCs. Microsoft will be profitable, but not stupid-profitable like they were for about a decade.

      Microsoft has since made a push to get PCs into all workplaces for as many workers as possible, whether those workers really need their own PCs or not. Where they got a bit blindsided is with tablets and smartphones, where proprietary applications like workorder and dispatch systems can run on operating systems other than Windows. I partially blame Microsoft's UI, anyone that worked with older Windows CE would agree that "WinCE" was an accurate way of describing the experience on a PDA, and they never really got it truly right, while both Google with Android and Apple with iOS learned from watching Palm and designed OSes with the best features from the PalmOS GUI but now with automatic cloud connectivity for the default applications. Microsoft never got over trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into a phone, and thought being Windows on the desktop to applications on Windows on the phone would be worth more than it proved to be, as developers seem happy to write Android and iOS versions of their packages.

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    4. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. Servers, Linux still has no answer for the reasons people run a Microsoft server.

      Huh?

      It's hard to nail down precise numbers (for obvious reasons), but all of the various statistics I could find say roughly the same thing -- there are more Linux servers than Windows servers.

      Some studies give Linux a 10% edge over Windows, and some put Linux and Windows at about parity. So it's not an overwhelming edge, but it's pretty clear that Windows is not more popular than Linux in that space.

    5. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, a PC is a geek toy - they have always been unsuitable for end users, and endless malware infections are the end result. The average user is simply not qualified to operate a full blown PC running a general purpose OS.
      Most users have no need for such a device anyway, when the only way to browse the internet was to purchase a complex general purpose computer that's what people did, but now other alternatives are available which are better suited. You can access facebook and write email etc from an ipad, and you're far less likely to become a spam sending zombie or have your personal information stolen.

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    6. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by MyrddinBach · · Score: 2

      Because if you work in a large company with thousands of users and multiple locations you don't want to go to every new persons computer and manually install all their local printers for them and then do it again if they happen to be visiting another office and then revert those changes when they come back.

      If you have print servers running on Windows servers with Active Directory you can put in Group Policies so that every time your user logs in they get automatically get access to the printers they need and only the ones they need.

      Also if you need to update the print driver you just have to do it on the print server instead of going around doing it on every fracking workstation.

      There are many other benefits as well (such as it offloads the actual print process to the server) but the ones above are probably the main ones.

    7. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by MyrddinBach · · Score: 2

      I don't think you are an outlier at all I just think people tend to have narrow views of what is happening based on what they work on and what they see.

      And I happen to agree with you and I'm not a MS fanboi at all...

      I work for an IT consulting company and have worked on projects for hundreds of companies and yes often (but not always) their web servers, app servers, etc are linux and they may have a few other linux servers here and there but from what I have seen that usually is only about 10-20% of their servers total. The other 80-90% are Windows servers.

      Windows servers running Exchange, IIS, Sharepoint, Lync, Skype for Business, MS SQL, Active Directory, Print servers, File shares, Office Web Apps (or Office Online Server as it's now called), WAP, Azure Sync and now even running Azure.

      And with the *huge* increase of companies moving to Office 365 now the number of Windows servers is only growing. MS won't be IBM any time soon with their VERY strong position for cloud services all related to Office. And now as previously mentioned you can now run the Azure stack in house on your very own Windows Servers those numbers will only keep growing.

    8. Re:A few lousy conjectures, there ... by MyrddinBach · · Score: 2

      > And yet the vast majority of the world's email travels though Linux servers.

      Actually the vast majority of email travels through end user windows machines infected with botnets.

  2. Uh... by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft is already the new IBM (old and staid). Apple is the new Microsoft (embrace and extend with proprietary stuff to ensure lock-in). Google is the new Apple.

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    1. Re:Uh... by e432776 · · Score: 2

      Neat way to put it, but I think there are strong limits to the sorts of historical parallels you are drawing here. Though it makes for a nice pattern, I don't have any reason to believe that MS, Apple and Google will all follow the trajectory of IBM.

  3. It doesn't by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since the early '90s, I've been predicting Microsoft's future: it will follow the same trajectory as IBM -- meaning Microsoft will never go away, but will become increasingly less important until it can reasonably be ignored if you wish.

    My reasoning is that their corporate behavior pretty solidly mirrors that of IBM's through its various phases. There is nearly no chance that Microsoft (or any other company of its size) could pull off such a complete reinvention of themselves as to change that behavior.

    I see no reason to modify my prediction yet.

    1. Re:It doesn't by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2

      Since the early '90s, I've been predicting Microsoft's future: it will follow the same trajectory as IBM

      I'm not so sure. IBM seems to have a great deal of trouble catering to the individual developer or small development teams. Way back in the day IBM had an C++ IDE for OS/2. I tried to use it, but it was so broken the attempt was pointless. On the PC side, Borland and Microsoft tooling was running circles around IBM. Microsoft eventually hired Borland's top talent and added them to the language and IDE business. The result was Visual Studio.

      VS improved quite a bit over the years, but now it's a bit bloated. Microsoft took a step back, surveyed the landscape and came up with Visual Studio Code. VSC seems to be a hit, given the increasing number of extensions being written for it. That's a capability IBM never demonstrated. IBM is a different kind of company. Maybe it would be better to compare IBM and Oracle. I think the grand strategy for Microsoft is clear: They want to turn Azure into the next Windows. Given how well VSC, git and Azure work together, it looks like Microsoft is on the right track.

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  4. Re:What's the problem? by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No problem. But IBM used to be the King of the Hill in computers, much like Microsoft is now. IBM lost that position. Microsoft being "the next IBM" means that it would lose that position as well.

  5. Too much money ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... killed IBM and Microsoft and Mobil Oil.

    I worked for Mobil. They bought their own insurance company and became self-insured and got into the business/consumer insurance business. They also got into real estate. They built Reston, Va. from the ground up.

    They also bought Montgomery Ward and stuff.

    Now they are gone, absorbed by Exxon.

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    Today's capitalism calls for asymptotic growth in periods measured in nanosecomds.

    In this regard, Apple is next.

    Apple has more ash than God and has no visionary (Jobs) to guide them as to how to spend it.

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  6. Who? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (ducks)

    Look, the problem is how the market exists, and how it will change, not in how it used to be.

    IBM rolled into services, having initially come from services.

    MSFT started with OS and apps, but is fighting three different wars:

    1. Tiny tech. Stuff that is so small nobody will ever pay for an OS for it. It's in the background. Do you ever think "oh, my new fridge and toaster need a fancy Kenmore OS, not some Braun OS". Nope. Wearables don't care. Only Apple (which amounted to a large share of MSFT apps market share, originally) has managed to make people pay for that.

    2. Ubiquitous Linux blade servers. Nobody cares what your database and AI runs on. Oh, at trade shows they pretend they do, but IRL they don't. Cheap fast quick reliable wins every day.

    3. Cell/mobile vs Desktop/Server. MSFT has never grokked cell or mobile. Ever. Still don't. They keep trying to chrome it up, and they aren't Apple, so it never works.

    Thing is, you think MSFT gets most of their money from stuff and services they sell. They don't. They get it from all the bits and pieces of companies they own.

    (caveat: many of my friends got rich off of MSFT or Apple or IBM, and my first house was from selling MSFT stock I bought below book value on Black Friday stock crash)

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  7. Now by analogy by gillbates · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many years ago, when I was working for a large company dominant in the mobile business, I was discussing my ideas for a new mobile device with a potential venture capitalist. I explained that I could handle the design just fine, I just needed someone to go sell it to the large consumer electronics distributors. His reply floored me:

    "Yes, but I don't know any telecom guys..."

    Here was someone who, because I worked for a telecom, could not grasp that I could work in any other field. He had a degree in MIS, and had hired consultants, yet couldn't get it out of his head that I could/would work in any field other than the one I was currently employed. I had even done mobile device development for other companies, I just wasn't doing it now.

    I then realized that this is part of the reason why large companies ossify and die. The venture capitalists and business types honestly cannot even conceive of doing business in any way differently than they do today. For them, Microsoft will always be a PC company, and as the PC market goes, so goes Microsoft. It's a rule, XBOX notwithstanding.

    Even should the executives at Microsoft come up with a revolutionary new idea, the best they'll get from the finance guys is a blank stare when they try to get funding for it. Since they've been so successful with PC operating systems and office, why would they invest in anything else?

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  8. Are they even analogous? by ratpick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not sure this is a meaningful comparison. IBM is an extremely diverse company with very successful R&D that has generated many patents and new products, and they already staged a major comeback in the late 90s when many had written them off. My impression is that Microsoft's efforts to diversify in some fundamental, meaningful way have largely failed, keeping the vast majority of their eggs in one basket and making them far more susceptible to loss of relevance and revenue.

  9. Windows Mobile died because MS killed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to work exclusively with WM on industrial (rugged) devices and it was huge in a lot of enterprise scale applications like mail service, warehousing, point of sale, etc. Everything was great until MS started flapping around trying to decide if they wanted to have Windows Embedded or Phone or Handheld or whatever the fuck. One thing enterprise customers DO NOT LIKE is uncertainty.

    So they started switching to Android because at least they know what they are getting and that it will be supported in the future. Microsoft did NOT understand their market for Windows Mobile. Or maybe they did when they started and forgot, or new blood came in and bollocks-ed up the works.

    1. Re:Windows Mobile died because MS killed it. by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

      So much this. Enterprise and line-of-business stuff was mostly Windows Mobile or CE, and it was a cut-down version of the Win32 API, mostly C++ code.

      Then Microsoft came out with Windows Phone, which had NO compatibility, NO migration path, no nothing. It's all very well to replace an obsolete system with something better, and to be fair, CE was pretty shit with its 32MB process limit. But the simple fact is that the supposed replacement was not fit for purpose. It was like trying to replace a tank with a trailbike.

      Windows Phone, at least in its initial incarnations, had no support for C++, or even C# if memory serves. There was literally not one piece of source code from our 400KLOC project that could be re-used, and we'd be looking at maybe 2-3 years to do a rewrite. During which time Windows Phone changed the API completely again between 7 and 8, ditching compatibility a second time. The result, you can see today. Microsoft alienated its entire mobile developer base not once, but twice and then wondered why nobody was writing applications for it. For the companies that didn't exit the market entirely, it was easier to port code from Windows Mobile to Android than it was to port it to Windows Phone. On Android you could at least compile the logic with the NDK, even if the UI had to be redone.

      Windows Mobile has the last laugh, mind - my local supermarket is still running it. Presumably they're getting spare devices off ebay.

    2. Re:Windows Mobile died because MS killed it. by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

      WindowsCE SUCKED and Apple and Blackberry already killed it.

      CE certainly sucked, but many large companies did and still do depend on it. Plus it had the advantage of at least partial source code compatibility with Desktop windows. Simply saying it's shit and they should rewrite their 8+ year codebase for some fly-by-night replacement was not a viable solution.

      As for Blackberry and Apple replacing it? Sadly, that's a rose-tinted view. The Blackberry OS was even worse than CE, permanently stuck on Java 1.2 or somesuch and at once point incapable of allocating more than 128K in a single chunk, at least when we were attempting to do our port of the software.

      As for Apple, they had literally no provision for industrial handheld software. Either you had to try and put your proprietary, bespoke software - that was intended for internal use by a warehouse company or local authority's parking department - into the same app store that had fart apps and that $999 picture of a ruby, or else you had to try and use their enterprise arrangement and bypass the app store entirely.

      The Enterprise arrangement was only open to businesses with over 500 employees, which was rather unfortunate because such companies didn't write applications in-house. They bought them from one of hundreds of small specialist firms who developed industrial handheld software and generally had less than two dozen employees. Which meant they didn't qualify to get their software blessed by Jobs.

      Again, given a choice between a shit product and NO product, companies tend to stick with the shit product.

  10. stop abandoning your niche by superwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The troubling trend is not that Microsoft is abandoning the business it never had. It's that it is abandoning the business it still dominates in order to bet on the business in which they are a distant second. They are literally abandoning the desktop in order to benefit their cloud business. They are doing everything they can to make a Windows desktop just a heavy terminal to their cloud solutions. They overburden it with telemetry. They don't let desktop office caches to store templates downloaded from the net for more than a limited period. They are willing to give away MSVS as long as the help is only viewed online (the paid version has a local copy of help). They end of life systems which are less reliant on network and which are more local-media centered. It's all turning a Windows desktop into a Chromebook. Well, guess what? The market hates Chromebook. People like desktop as a self-contained autonomous serverless jack knife solution. If they use a Windows Desktop, they are not looking for an over performing client to the network. They are looking for a network-capable all-in-one solution. This is the niche which made Windows XP (and to a lesser extent Windows 7) the most successful consumer desktop operating system of all time. Windows XP survived for 15 years essentially unchanged. And that's an operating system used by end users. There is a golden middle between too much and too little and it can only be discovered through experimenting -- not through careful planning. Once you've discovered it, it is plainly arrogant to think you can outthink and out-plan the evolution.

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  11. Another Microsoft is dying and irrelevant thread? by bravecanadian · · Score: 5, Informative

    One pesky fact about this fading business...

    Quarterly Revenue:
    June 30, 2005 10.16B
    June 30, 2011 17.37B
    June 30, 2017 23.32B

    The idea that Microsoft is dependent on Windows revenue at this point is laughably out of date. They gave the last version away!

    Of course they still rely on the lock-in that comes from Windows huge software library.. but Microsoft is less dependent on the OS than at any time in its history since it got into the OS market. Unless you count Azure as an OS.. all the eggs are going in that basket now. Office 365 is hugely important as well.

    Microsoft has several billion dollar a year products now. Get with the times, people.