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Google Permanently Disables Touch Function On All Home Minis Due To Privacy Concerns (bbc.co.uk)

Posted by BeauHD on from the overly-sensitive dept.

Big Hairy Ian shares a report from BBC: Google has stopped its Home Mini speakers responding when users touch them. It permanently turned off the touch activation feature after it found that sensors primed to spot a finger tap were too sensitive. Early users found that the touch sensors were registering "phantom" touches that turned them on. This meant the speakers were recording everything around them thousands of times a day. Google said it disabled the feature to give users "peace of mind." Google's Home Mini gadgets were unveiled on October 4th as part of a revamp of its line of smart speakers. The intelligent assistant feature on it could be activated two ways -- by either saying "OK, Google" or by tapping the surface. About 4,000 Google Home Mini units were distributed to early reviewers and those who attended Google's most recent launch event. Artem Russakovskii from Android Police first discovered the issue with his unit, ultimately causing Google to "permanently [nerf] all Home Minis" because his spied on everything he said 24/7.

48 comments

  1. Why not make it configurable? by dwywit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A double-tap, or a tap followed by verbal, or something that the user finds satisfactory.

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    1. Re:Why not make it configurable? by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Most touch sensitive chips are software adjustable for sensitivity, and Google should be able to do that with a software update.

    2. Re:Why not make it configurable? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      A double-tap would definitely not help because the flaw was a hardware one. The hardware was falsely detecting thousands of taps a day.

    3. Re:Why not make it configurable? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      A double-tap, or a tap followed by verbal, or something that the user finds satisfactory.

      Because, at least in my opinion, Google likes the way Apple does things. And well, Apple likes to say, 'this isn't suitable, you can't do this anymore.' instead of just making it an option you can decide yourself.

      Freedom of choice is too much power for lowly users, sorry. Also sometimes letting someone decide can lead to litigation, so.. cover your ass and all that.

    4. Re:Why not make it configurable? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Falsely, yeah sure, yup, uh huh. Functioned like designed more likely, except people didn't like it. Proper design big old coloured button (rack off SJWs), right in the middle, which glows when it is on, when it doesn't it is off really off, mechanical off. Voice only is problematic because current versions (all manufacturers) tend to react to anything what so ever sounds like the triggering sounds, so it still turns off and all day long, as they prefer (they are data mining devices after all).

      Phone home devices, only when they phone to my home, I own the device, screw devices owned by corporations and them phoning corporate headquarters to report on me, every single time I am in the presence of the device.

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    5. Re: Why not make it configurable? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Freedom of choice is contrary to Google's company values.

    6. Re:Why not make it configurable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A double-tap from an M4

    7. Re:Why not make it configurable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the hardware worked just as designed; it reduced the spying stream traffic for the cases when people were actually present. The hardware has saved millions in traffic costs for Google, now they need to be able to receive the audio stream 24/7, even when nobody is there to be spied.

    8. Re: Why not make it configurable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem was likely that electromagnetic interference in the users home from nearby devices and power supplies was triggering it.

      That's why they didn't pick it up in testing.

    9. Re: Why not make it configurable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm totally sure that's why....bullshit.

    10. Re: Why not make it configurable? by el_smurfo · · Score: 1

      The whole device is a speaker...electromagnetic interference is a given and should have been designed for.

  2. Yeah, right by willoughby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I'm supposed to believe that all of the engineers at Google can't figure out how to adjust the sensitivity of this sensor. I think it's far more likely that they simply got caught.

    1. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That probably means the sensor only sends two states to the firmware instead of a purely analog signal.

    2. Re:Yeah, right by Cyberglich · · Score: 1

      paranoid much? Its obviously they guy got a defective one. If they were trying to bug him the lights whould't have come on to tell him something was odd and it whould't have loaded all the recordings into his own account for him to see. If google wanted to use these to spy on us only a packet sniff would have been able to see the traffic it would not have made it so simple to see. Google is going nuclear on this most likely because they want to avoid any more bad press and possibly because they believe the hardware fault is wide speed enough to be a problem they don't want to deal with putting a capacitive touch surface under capacitive conducting cloth apparently was't a good idea most likely some impurity in some of the cloth or a batch of over sensitive panels that are trigging off humility in the air is most likely the problem.

    3. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      b-i-n-g-o

    4. Re:Yeah, right by swillden · · Score: 1

      So I'm supposed to believe that all of the engineers at Google can't figure out how to adjust the sensitivity of this sensor. I think it's far more likely that they simply got caught.

      If Google intended the devices to listen all the time, they were rather stupid. They forgot to stop the "I'm listening" lights from coming on all the time, and forgot to scrub the "extra" audio recordings from the list shown on the user's Google Home page.

      If this is Google being sneaky, they're really, really bad at it.

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    5. Re:Yeah, right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      If Google were trying to hide this they went about it in a strange way - you can simply go to your Google account and review everything you have ever said to any Google/Android device if you have voice history turned on (which it is by default). That's how this journalist noticed.

      This sort of thing happens all the time. You design a new product, you buy in some touch sensors and test them out. Maybe they need calibration during manufacturing, so you design that in too. But then when production ramps up to the tens of thousands you find that a significant proportion are flakey or the calibration was incorrect.

      I've had this happen where some microcontrollers where supposed to be factory calibrated by the manufacturer, but any made between certain dates weren't.

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    6. Re: Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most likely some impurity in some of the cloth or a batch of over sensitive panels that are trigging off humility in the air is most likely the problem.

      Obviously, no Google users have any humility left.

    7. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's far more likely that they simply got caught.

      Exactly. Woops. Streetview vehicles hacking into wifi? Well, I'll be.... How did that happen? Deleting gmail doesn't delete it? Well, waddayknow'bout that?

    8. Re:Yeah, right by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      And they already have the information they were after. No need to keep pulling down tons of bits when you already have your data farms overfilled with the targeted intel.

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  3. BUT IS IT HARVEY WEINSTEIN SAFE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think not!

  4. Orwellian big data advertising company by bravecanadian · · Score: 0

    "mistakenly" hoovers up data... yeah.. ok

  5. Recourse? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    So google disables a feature on a product someone pays for because they have found it defective. Sounds to me like google should be providing a replacement instead of just disabling it and calling it a day.

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    1. Re:Recourse? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, it was an early design of a promotional giveaway to journalists. Newer designs won't have this problem, and they already replaced the defective unit with 2 more!

    2. Re:Recourse? by swillden · · Score: 2

      So google disables a feature on a pre-production product someone got for free as a promotional giveaway because they have found it defective.

      FTFY.

      Sounds to me like google should be providing a replacement instead of just disabling it and calling it a day.

      Google gave two replacements to the guy who reported the bug. The production devices people buy will not have this defect.

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  6. When they disabled a feature 6000 people paid for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they get their permission first?

  7. Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Google permanently disables touch function... ...due to privacy concerns"

    Google
    disables
    due to privacy concerns

    Error: DOES NOT COMPUTE

  8. working as expected. by zlives · · Score: 2

    its not spyware, its a feature. new speak fixes all.

    1. Re:working as expected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doubleplusgood!

  9. They got caught listening in! by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 1

    And they had an excuse ready in case they did.

    1. Re:They got caught listening in! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It is interesting how the ready response to those of us who’ve expressed concerns about these drvices has been a dismissive “they aren’t sending audio back to the mothership all the time, that’s silly, you have to explicitly trigger them” - yet here we have case #1 showing an example of exactly what we were worried about.

      For that matter, who’s to say some three-letter organization didn’t tweak the manufacturing specs to intentionally cause this?

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  10. Temporarily Permanent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They update the firmware to stop this. What is to stop them updating the firmware and turning it back on? Permanent doesn't apply anymore.

  11. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is now ALWAYS listening for "OK, Google" how is that any different? Personally I would rather have to tap or double tap to activate. When will people realize to be able to respond to anything it has to be listening all the time.

    1. Re: WTF by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Because we understand how technology works, and realize that firmware "always listening" isn't the same as Google servers "always listening." Also, you know those automatic faucet controls in the public bathroom? They are always watching!

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    2. Re:WTF by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      It is now ALWAYS listening for "OK, Google" how is that any different? Personally I would rather have to tap or double tap to activate. When will people realize to be able to respond to anything it has to be listening all the time.

      Yeah, I'm not sure how this is a privacy win. "Congrats! Instead of us properly engineering a way to have you control intentionally when the device is listening, we'll force you to have it always listen!"

      If Google cared about privacy, they'd retrofit these devices with a physical touch switch rather than a fingertip sensor and allow you to disable the "OK Google" voice recognition. But that would impact their ability to train their Deep Learning networks, so it's a non-starter.

      Sometimes I really can't tell if Google, Alphabet, or any of their employees are evil, incompetent, or are just obliviously optimistic technological Solutionists.

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  12. the remaining flaw by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    How are they going to patch the fact that anyone with a device like this in their house is an idiot? Or that the NSA knows damn well that nobody of interest to them would talk about their top secret plans in front of a voice to text-capable, internet-connect device?

    1. Re:the remaining flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      "Google said it disabled the feature to give users "peace of mind."

      You know how I obtained my peace of mind? By not putting one of these Google-turds in my house.

    2. Re:the remaining flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like your phone, desktop computer, or smartwatch?

  13. Let me get this straight.. by GrBear · · Score: 2

    So they removed the feature that would randomly trigger recording.. and instead implemented a feature that listens all the time?

  14. Not sensitive *enough* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFY

  15. Yep by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    We have one in our office and it was going on and off all day long for no apparent reason. It was probably RFI but who knows. It became so annoying that we finally unplugged it and let the battery die.

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  16. Re:Joogle in a nutshell by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    We will replace you. :)

    We control everything you do, say, and think. We control what you watch, listen to, and eat. We control what ads you see, what products you buy, and even what penis-compensating truck you buy. We own you, you just haven't figured it out yet. We've already replaced you everywhere it matters. :)

    Face it, we've won, and you'll be replaced by us no matter how many swastikas you carve into your fat, basement-dwelling, sister-fucking skin. :)

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  17. Re:Joogle in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Witness JustAnotherOldJEWbag and his delusions. Time to fire up those ovens again eh, Harvey Weinstein? You're sure in control aren't you? Outta control and busted for pedophilia's more like it freak from a tribe/culture/race/religion of obvious loons driven from nation to nation thruout time. You never learn do you?

  18. JEWgle in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.

    What World-famous Men have said About the Jews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYPzKNQUE0/

    Harvey Weinstein the child molester tops it all off.

    There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:

    1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)

    2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)

    3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.

    They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.

    The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a wa

  19. Dust by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    Nothing new, I have had to install firmware updates and disable touch screens AIO computers on some electronics equipment here (in a rural area) because the touch panels went crazy. My best guess is the dusty environment here.

    Like the AIO, they probably need to tone down the sensor so its not reacting so quickly.

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  20. My laptop does this by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    My laptop does this ALL THE TIME, and I hate it. It just clicks randomly without me even touching it. I assume it has something to do with static electricity..