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Tesla Just Fired Hundreds Of Workers (mercurynews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Bay Area Newsgroup: Tesla fired hundreds of workers this week, including engineers, managers and factory workers, even as the company struggles to expand its manufacturing and product line... The company said this week's dismissals were the result of a company-wide annual review, and insisted they were not layoffs. Some workers received promotions and bonuses, and the company expects to hire for the "vast majority" of new vacancies, a spokesman said. "As with any company, especially one of over 33,000 employees, performance reviews also occasionally result in employee departures," a spokesman said. "Tesla is continuing to grow and hire new employees around the world."
"Tesla has a hearing before the National Labor Relations Board in November for charges that company supervisors and security guards harassed workers distributing union literature," reports the Bay Area Newsgroup, adding that "Openly pro-union workers were among those fired this week. Some believe they were targeted."

Tesla denies this, and says that they've generally boosted morale this week -- by rewarding higher-performing employees.

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  1. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are these firings the result of stack ranking? If so, why would anyone want to work there.

    1. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you're a good little slave with drive and ambition and you know you're not going to be at the bottom of that ranking, that's why.

      Just like you don't need to be able to run particularly fast to run away from the bear that's trying to maul you, you just need to be slightly faster than the next guy.

      Do you want coworkers who are there only because they perfected tripping others up when the bear comes? The problem is not just that eventually you'll be at the bottom of the ranking when the bottom gets culled regularly, regardless of how good you are. The problem is that you get a toxic work atmosphere where it becomes important to outmaneuver the others into a position where they'll be gutted next. Of course you can choose not to play that game, but the end game will be among those who do. Even supposing you are always at the top of the ranking even as new people get hired. You'll still end up with colleagues that are better at looking better than they are than the ones who get fired. The decent and good ones will watch this once or twice, then leave on their own accord.

    2. Re:So by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I obviously don't know what Tesla is really up to. However, should be actually be what they say, I applaud them. One of the horrible things about big organizations is seeing useless people kept on, with everyone else having to carry their dead weight through project after project.

      If Tesla really is just doing a housecleaning to get rid of people who are not doing their jobs, I applaud them.

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    3. Re:So by murdocj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. The absolute worst management I ever worked for used stack ranking. The guy who mandated it was a psychopath. He actually said he liked firing people. It ensures the worst possible behavior from your employees, because you know it's all about who can play favorites the best.

  2. Re:Union busting? Naw, not Tesla! by boudie2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was true 100 years ago and it's true today, the only way for workers to get a fair deal is to organize as a group. Let's see how Elon Musk deals with this earth bound reality. Maybe he can get Mars declared a "right to work" state.

  3. Re: Not "Layoff"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't get ahead through education. You get ahead by being in a union. A week educated wage slave is still a wage slave. A unionized wage slave at least belongs to an organization that can shut down the company. Guess which gets better paid in the long run. Meritocracy works until you have coded yourself out of a job, at which point you are too specialized, too old, too expensive to be a credible wage slave for the next job.

    Stick with the union.

  4. Re:Union Shop by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would NEVER happen in a UNION shop.

    You say that like it's an inherently good thing.

    Everyone would get raises.

    Including the people who don't deserve them.

    Everyone would get promotions.

    No. You can't promote everyone.

    Only the less experienced people would get terminated due to budget constraints.

    Again: This protects the incompetent and the disruptive personnel and brings down the entire workforce. A bad worker--regardless of seniority--is a bad worker, and should be gotten rid of, not rewarded.

    I want my car designed by the people with the most time in service, not the most education, knowledge, etc.

    Really? You want your car designed by the guy who knows he can't get fired, and has no reason to do any better than "good enough"?

    I've been a member of 3 different unions and I've worked with somewhere around 150 different locals in over 50 jurisdictions in the US and Canada. In Washington DC, I had a jouneyman show up drunk. I reported him to the steward, he was sober the next day, but drunk again on the 3rd. I cut him from my crew.... and he was just reassigned to another crew and allowed to keep working (while drunk at 8am).

    Protecting all workers at all costs is bad for business, bad for production, and bad for the other workers who watch incompetence be rewarded.

  5. Re:Is Tesla a good company to work for or not? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    4. If they were indeed slackers, why were they hired in the first place?

    They didn’t put “I'm a slacker” on their resume, I guess.

  6. Re:Union busting? Naw, not Tesla! by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all you, you seem to have missed the primary function of unions which is to make a fair share of the wealth generation go back to the workers, not merely the capitalists. Working conditions, health and safety, working hours and so on have always been secondary struggles where the workers demand some other form of compensation than wages. In that respect unions are failing horribly and apart from the minimum wage - that in real dollars is no higher than in the 1950s - the government is not going to fix.

    It's no doubt that if you're a struggling business the unions can be a burden but if they were generally driving companies out of business the richest 15% wouldn't be making more and more money while everyone else loses. What you're seeing is a system where the money is extracted whenever the business is profitable, then makes everyone else take the burden when it's unprofitable. The US has managed to create something worse than social welfare, it's corporate welfare where you take from the tax payers and give to the corporations.

    For example, why was your future retirement income to the company's future? Put that money into a pension fund when you do work, if the company goes tits up or you change jobs or lose your job it stops accumulating but it's yours. Or at least a potential share if you make it to retirement age. I mean they're back in business now aren't they? Making money again, which is extracted until the next crisis when the coffers again will be mysteriously empty. And they've done a great frame job when people like you blame the unions for that, nothing like 1%ers making the other 99% blame each other.

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  7. Re: Maybe... by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Political astuteness does actually have some value to the company if the person has some ethics.

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  8. Re:Union Shop by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unions back then were important, because the end of your job could also be the end of your career, and Unions were needed to protect workers from such drastic actions.

    "Back then" companies were happy to exploit workers within an inch of their lives - and beyond - if it made them a few more dollars in profit. That hasn't changed, so neither has the need for unions.

  9. Re:Union Shop by Frank+Burly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tech workers are one of the few labor pools where employers have been caught colluding to keep wages down, and yet they are typically against unions because it cuts against their libertarian tendencies and a significant percentage of them fall prey to the Dunning Kruger effect which keeps them from recognizing their mediocrity. So when they get passed over for a promotion, or someone else's project gets greenlighted, they blame diversity efforts, or office politics rather than a union.

    So life is not fair, and you're going to blame somenody.

    It is commendable that your dad thought doing a good job was more important than getting maxing out his work/pay ratio. But the company he worked for was almost certainly trading as little pay as possible for as much work as possible, and union or no, (if I'm not in management there) I'm not going to hold it against workers for approaching that trade with the same level of self-interest.

  10. Re:Steven Spielberg makes WAY more money.... by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, you don't think the Unions had a duty to my parents and their retirements to demand a fully funded pension fund? I do..

    You don't think the Unions didn't make the financial condition of many of the major companies untenable at least partially due to the demands of their Unions? I do.

    That management gets paid what they do has little to do with the survival or failure of a business. Usually a CEO's salary amounts to pennies on the dollar to the in the trenches worker, yet your ilk want to make some kind of moral argument about how unfair it is that one person gets so much and the new guy gets so little of the company's revenue.

    Personally I'm tired of the arguments born out of class envy, socialistic politics and anti capitalist clap trap. Like it or not, this country has EQUAL opportunity codified in our laws but we DON'T have equal outcome guarantees. You cannot measure opportunity by measuring outcome and you cannot measure what's fair by outcome either.

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