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Netflix, Amazon, Movie Studios Sue Over TickBox Streaming Device (arstechnica.com)

Movies studios, Netflix, and Amazon have teamed up to file a lawsuit against a streaming media player called TickBox TV. The device in question runs Kodi on top of Android 6.0, and searches the internet for streams that it can make available to users without actually hosting any of the content itself. An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The complaint (PDF), filed Friday, says the TickBox devices are nothing more than "tool[s] for mass infringement," which operate by grabbing pirated video streams from the Internet. The lawsuit was filed by Amazon and Netflix Studios, along with six big movie studios that make up the Motion Picture Association of America: Universal, Columbia, Disney, Paramount, 20th Century Fox, and Warner Bros.

"What TickBox actually sells is nothing less than illegal access to Plaintiffs' copyrighted content," write the plaintiffs' lawyers. "TickBox TV uses software to link TickBox's customers to infringing content on the Internet. When those customers use TickBox TV as Defendant intends and instructs, they have nearly instantaneous access to multiple sources that stream Plaintiffs' Copyrighted Works without authorization." The device's marketing materials let users know the box is meant to replace paid-for content, with "a wink and a nod," by predicting that prospective customers who currently pay for Amazon Video, Netflix, or Hulu will find that "you no longer need those subscriptions." The lawsuit shows that Amazon and Netflix, two Internet companies that are relatively new to the entertainment business, are more than willing to join together with movie studios to go after businesses that grab their content.

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  1. Lawsuit, publicity, free advertising by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd never heard of tickbox before, now the lawsuit is being reported in the media and drawing attention i expect their sales to go up.
    Eventually they will lose the case and go under, but not before the owners have run off with a decent profit.

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  2. Caused by artificial limits on availability... by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Quit artificially limiting my access to media! Whether it's simply not making it available at all, or by forcing me to subscribe to 12 streaming services to get access to the content they are forcing the population back to piracy.

    I realize that while there are some major douches out there who would pirate a movie if it cost only a dime, there are many of us who would happily pay if you stopped screwing us over.

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    1. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by sehlat · · Score: 2

      I realize that while there are some major douches out there who would pirate a movie if it cost only a dime, there are many of us who would happily pay if you stopped screwing us over.

      It's funny how things work. I know people who have the exact same attitude toward the Big 5 publishing companies.

    2. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by farble1670 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quit artificially limiting my access to media!

      So true. By god, you are owed that media. It's your right as an American. Give me my content or, or give me death! I think that's how it went right?

    3. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by Holi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny, I remember hearing all the cries for a la carte programming on this very site. I believe at the time I warned to be careful what you wish for.

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    4. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, pretty much. Copyright is a government-enacted, granted, and termed restriction of people's rights to ideas. You own the VHS plastic and rust that information is held on, but the data held in the rust is as "owned" by anyone as one "owns" the sound waves coming from a mouth, or anyone can own the light coming from the sun.

      If movies couldn't be made without copyright, fine. I guess movies wouldn't be business model. There is no inherent right for government or society to protect a business model. When it *is* done, it's entirely up for debate how and why it's done. The default state is no idea ownership.

      We're "owed" the content because ideas and data cannot inherently be "owned" at all. We decided to restrict ownership for entirely practical reasons, not reasons of inherent moral imperative. If the practicality of the reasons goes away or is reduced, it's entirely feasible to adjust the limitations. If the limitations begin to infringe on topics we consider *actual* 'moral' imperatives (like life, property, free speech, etc) to a degree that is unacceptable (subjective !) then it can enter the realm of a *detriment* to morality, but never can copyight itself enter the realm of *being* a moral imperative by itself, because it isn't that in any way.

      One of the subjective measure of the feasibility is precisely how willing people are to abide by it. If most people say it's dumb and don't abide by it, then it *is* dumb because there is no other moral imperative behind it's inception. It *Is* also possible that people who say it's dumb don't think it through, or will change their minds when all TV, movies, and music goes away, but maybe it won't. Who knows.

    5. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by sixsixtysix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Copyright should include an availability clause. Artificial scarcity in a digital word has got to be one of the most anti-consumer things I can imagine. I'd love to lock Disney's board's children in the fucking vault. If it's not available, it should not protected. Media's value should also not be exempt from going down with the cost of reproduction. Infinite copies with such little overhead should mean drastic reductions in cost (75% seems like a good place to start, not to mention recompense for consumer rights lost like resale or lending), like nearly every other industry.
      Besides that, they've had 15 years to get their shit together and release globally, yet they continue their bullshit regioning, milking it to the last drop. What do they expect? I mean, if it is a global economy and all, shouldn't consumers be able to find the cheapest media like corporations find the cheapest labor?

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    6. Re: Caused by artificial limits on availability... by easyTree · · Score: 2

      Daddy, will you treat me a bedtime story?

      I'm sorry Julie, the copyright cartels won't allow reproduction of works they have the rights to.

    7. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then the constitution is stupid. The law was established exactly for the reason the GP specified. You don't own ideas once you've shared them. Artificial protections were put in place by force of law in order to artificially grant this protection.

    8. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So true. By god, you are owed that media. It's your right as an American. Give me my content or, or give me death! I think that's how it went right?

      I know you're trying to be funny/sarcastic, but you're actually correct.

      Society in general benefits from access to media (books, stories, museums, etc).
      Studies have shown that being exposed to more media (and therefore more characters and differing viewpoints) increases empathy and creates a society where people can get along easier and are more willing to help each other.

      The point of copyright laws was to encourage people to create media for the public domain.
      In exchange for that public service, they were granted a LIMITED monopoly so the creator could get a benefit.

      Two hundred years ago, a 14 year copyright term seemed like enough time to distribute something using horses and boats.
      In this day and age you can instantly distribute worldwide with the push of a button but the current copyright length has increased to effectively infinity.

      The current copyright situation is an example of the rich few bribing politicians to rob from everyone. We are all harmed by this in hard to tell ways so that a relatively few people can become insanely wealthy.

    9. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you know why copyrights and patents were put in place? To allow people to make a profit before the majors simply copied their ideas.

      You DO own your ideas. At least for a period of time.

      Do you understand WHY they made it so you could profit from your ideas for a limited time? To promote the progress of science and the useful arts by the release of those works into the public domain. If the end goal wasn't for the works to become public domain they wouldn't have specified that the exclusive right is for a limited time.

      So yes, those works are owed to the general public after a limited time. Copyright has been extended so far that for practical purposes it never becomes public domain. It is unconstitutional, it is the wholesale theft of the public domain.

    10. Re:Caused by artificial limits on availability... by LocalH · · Score: 2

      "I think copyright was always longer than that, but in essence, you're right. It's for the original author."

      As far as the US is concerned, the original copyright law gave 14 years with a single 14-year renewal.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  3. Canada by thereitis · · Score: 2

    Since they aren't hosting any of the infringing content, isn't this still legal in Canada? ie. You can download but not upload content. That's what the blank CD/DVD media tax was supposed to address. Note: I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice.

  4. Tickbox by youngone · · Score: 3, Informative

    First impressions:
    There is a typo on the homepage. (Turn you TV into a content filled home theatre system enjoying thousands of ...). Seriously?
    It won't tell me how much the thing costs until I enter my email address, which makes me suspicious. Also I need to act fast, as the 40% discount won't last long, which just sounds like one of those late night shopping channel hucksters.
    Apart from that, it looks like any one of hundreds of cheap Chinese Kodi boxes I can buy from Aliexpress or Banggood.
    I actually built myself something similar for about $60 using an old Atom powered Acer box I bought second hand. It runs LibreElec and works pretty well.

  5. Re:Crazy by bzipitidoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course there will still be new movies! There _are_ other business models upon which movie makers can profit. This clinging to copyright is sheer greed, brought to us all by the same people responsible for the theft known as "Hollywood Accounting". They've fought nearly every technological advance, and lost, and the world is a better place for it. They tried to kill the player piano, AM radio, the cassette tape, and the VCR, among others. Now, 25 years into this revolution, they're still trying to figure out how to lock down or shut down the Internet, turn the clock back to the 1980s, but only for us, not for themselves. They happily use the fruits of technology to reduce their costs, while hypocritically still trying to charge us prices based on the wishful thinking that there haven't been any advances.

    Take a moment to appreciate just how much copyright costs us all. We should have digital public libraries by now, which never run out of copies, can actually stay current instead of never having anything newer than 3 years old, are totally searchable, and which do not require lots of travel to utilize. Surf to the Library of Congress website, and download anything they have, any time, and don't worry about returning it. No more late fines. The content in an entire wall of books can fit on one hard drive. All that is huge, huge savings and far better and more usability, but thanks to copyright, we can't have it.

    Instead, research we financed is locked behind the paywalls of dozens of academic publishers. Those scumbags charge $30 for a 10 page article, and pass along precisely zero of that to the researchers who actually produced the content they've locked away.

    Keep copyright the way it is? Maybe even strengthen it? Might as well ask that we stick with horses and never upgrade to the automobile.

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  6. Re:What did they think was going to happen? by Wootery · · Score: 2

    The old I'm morally justified in pirating, because I don't like the price-point.

    Nice.