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42% of Americans Under 8 Have Their Own Tablet (axios.com)

A reader shares an Axios report: A whopping 42% of children ages 0-8 have their own tablet device, up from less than 1% in 2011, according to Common Sense Media's newest national "Media Use by Kids" census. Families with young children are now more likely to have a subscription video service such as Netflix or Hulu (72%) than they are to have cable TV (65%). 10% of kids age 8 or under own a "smart" toy that connects to the internet and 9% have a voice-activated virtual assistant device available to them in the home, such as an Amazon Echo or Google Home.

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  1. Makes sense by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1, Funny

    8-year-olds are the only ones who still find tablets useful.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only because you have no imagination. I'm still using mine as a light browser, email client, videophone, occasional gaming time waster, VNC client, as well as acting as the remote for my soundbar, TV and Plex server.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only because you have no imagination. I'm still using mine as a light browser, email client, videophone, occasional gaming time waster, VNC client, as well as acting as the remote for my soundbar, TV and Plex server.

      I would but my laptop does these just fine and takes up just about as little space while doing a lot more at the same time.

    3. Re:Makes sense by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tablets are useful, don't be a dolt. They are not desktop replacements. They are not laptop replacements. They are not essential-must have items.

      For kids they're great pacifiers. But my son, who is 9, is at the point where he wants a PCMR PC, and tablets are becoming more of a utility rather than the center of his world.

      The problem is that some marketing dolt somewhere kept trying to push the idea that tablets were going to replace computers. It didn't happen, it's not going to happen.

    4. Re:Makes sense by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm actually SOOOO glad they didn't have this shit or cameras on everyones' person when I was growing up.

      I actually got to go outside and play and use my imagination, and no one to track me or take incriminating evidence of me while I acted upon said imagination....

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    5. Re:Makes sense by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      I would but my laptop does these just fine and takes up just about as little space while doing a lot more at the same time.

      I find it interesting that you think 'twice as much' is the same as 'just about as little space'. If I were less lazy, I'd hit you with a joke about the size of your penis.

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    6. Re:Makes sense by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I was in the hospital for a week recently. My Galaxy 4 Tab kept me sane, thanks both to chat programs to connect with my friends, as well as both a gaming platform (Candy Crush etc.) and movie player.

      What, was I supposed to use my even smaller phone screen for all that? WHY?

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    7. Re:Makes sense by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I think I might find a tablet useful, though I haven't bought one yet. I occasionally scan current sizes and prices.

      What I'm really after is a good e-book reader. That means the screen needs to be about 8 1/2 X 5.5 inches. Perhaps a bit smaller. It has to be reasonably durable. And the screen has to be readable under bright ambient light. And it needs to work without any internet connection. Also, I don't want it to be a Kindle, because Amazon has proven that they can erase books you've already bought, and sometimes you can't avoid being near an open wifi. I would prefer that it didn't have ANY internet connection, but needed to access any updates via my computer's usb port. Also it needs to be willing to play epub and pdf files...and text, of course. Anything else is extra. (Why would I want a computer that didn't have a keyboard? And I've *got* a laptop, *with* standard usb ports.)

      As I said, so far I haven't bought one. But I've definitely thought about it.

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    8. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8-year-olds are the only ones who still find tablets useful.

      Porn.

      As a father of three little kids, my only opportunity to masturbate is to hide in the bathroom with my tablet computer. The days of fapping to a 27" IPS flatscreen are over.

    9. Re:Makes sense by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hard to lean back in a laze-boy chair and type fast on a tablet computer. Even my mom got rid of hers after a month and went back to a laptop. Also easier to read when taken into the kitchen.

    10. Re:Makes sense by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you watched tv. And electrical tape works wll for those cameras (I still need to find a way to disable the microphone though because it's makes me paranoid when I start seeing advertisements for things that I've been talking about, but not searching for).

    11. Re:Makes sense by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      What kind of cramped spaces do you use a tablet in where there wouldn't be enough room for a laptop? Maybe you shouldn't sleep in a coffin.

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    12. Re:Makes sense by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

      No you didn't, you watched tv.

      At the risk of stating the obvious, a generation or two back the typical lineup on broadcast TV wasn't nearly as conducive to 24x7 consumption by kids.

    13. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I would but my laptop does these just fine and takes up just about as little space while doing a lot more at the same time.

      I find it interesting that you think 'twice as much' is the same as 'just about as little space'. If I were less lazy, I'd hit you with a joke about the size of your penis.

      When compared to my full tower desktop with corner desk and triple monitors, my laptop is only a little larger than my tablet. And by little larger, I mean fits just as comfortably anywhere I need to use it.

      https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/...|se|google|All_Products|NX_Lenovo_All_Products_DSA&ef_id=WcAn_gAAAoLExYOZ:20171024181007:s

    14. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8-year-olds are the only ones who still find tablets useful.

      Porn.

      There's no necessary contradiction between those two statements. Early bloomers, ya know.

    15. Re: Makes sense by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      For the majority of users they are pretty much toys. Out of all the tablets I've seen in the wild, most of them were in fact used as toys by small children. One shop I worked at had bought 2 iPads to bolt on to the wall for employees to clock in on (shining example of free market efficiency, the shop manager got big bonuses). One stoner I knew used it to watch YouTube while she hit the bong in the back yard, I do admit I got some enjoyment out of that use case. But anything where I need serious power, or to type more than a few words? Please.

    16. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you watched tv.

      At the risk of stating the obvious, a generation or two back the typical lineup on broadcast TV wasn't nearly as conducive to 24x7 consumption by kids.

      Well, at least one generation back, they aired cartoons over broadcast weekday afternoons and weekend mornings. It was plenty conducive to the schedule of a typical kid.

    17. Re:Makes sense by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Unless you were rich, you didn't even have to go that far back in order for TV to be a completely unsuitable distraction. Not everyone can afford cable. The same goes for what games consoles existed at various times.

      Relative wealth probably accounts for lack of total penetration even with this particular story.

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    18. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IF i need to type fast, im going to my workstation....

    19. Re:Makes sense by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I spent a month in the hospital. I took a bruiser of a laptop with me. It had a 19 inch screen and 2.5T drive space.

      A bigger screen is pretty much always better.

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    20. Re:Makes sense by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      When compared to my full tower desktop with corner desk and triple monitors, my laptop is only a little larger than my tablet.

      Yeah, I should have gone with a joke about the size of your penis.

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    21. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you have to spend a month in the hospital because they had to amputate your legs because they had been crushed by the aforementioned laptop?

    22. Re:Makes sense by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Relative wealth probably accounts for lack of total penetration even with this particular story.

      Or parents who have drawn a line in the sand. Making my kids borrow one of our devices to watch videos, play games, etc., makes for a much more manageable metering mechanism than them having random access to their own.

    23. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      8-years-olds and Tim Cook.

      Sent from my 2010 Mac mini.

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    24. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Your workstation won't be any faster at accepting what you type than a 1980's-era 8-bit home computer. We've been the slowest part of computing for the last three decades.

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    25. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Park City Mountain Resort PC?

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    26. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I hope you remembered to lock the doors and disconnected all the security cameras during your porn-binging sessions.

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    27. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If your primary use is to read books, get something with an e-paper display. The latest generations have much better contrast ratios than at the beginning.

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    28. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      When compared to my full tower desktop with corner desk and triple monitors, my laptop is only a little larger than my tablet.

      Yeah, I should have gone with a joke about the size of your penis.

      Well when it's this big, everything else looks small in comparison...

    29. Re:Makes sense by tepples · · Score: 2

      Personal Computer Master Race Personal Computer. I'm assuming it means a PC with a discrete graphics processing unit.

      "PCMR" refers to people who have chosen to become masters of their own computing and video gaming experience by acquiring a device where the person who owns it, not some app store monopolist, controls what computing is done. And if you want to (say) race, you're not limited to the steering wheel controllers approved by the peripheral monopolist.

    30. Re:Makes sense by tepples · · Score: 1

      So what does the child do once the homework is done but the meter is still refilling?

    31. Re:Makes sense by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      PCMR PC is just redundant.

      And if you're really controlling what computing is being done on your PC then surely your PC isn't running Microsoft Windows.

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    32. Re: Makes sense by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I imagine most of the declining sales are along the lines of... Kids have forgotten or broken them by next Christmas and have moved on to the new toy.

    33. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over the air TV broadcasted plenty of morning and afternoon cartoons. you didn't need cable.

      my parents weren't rich, and as for console i worked, shoveling sidewalks or mowing lawns, saved up and bought my own. every console i have ever owned i payed for myself.

    34. Re:Makes sense by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Yeesh! That was dire. But I get your point: I'll definitely make the joke next time to save us from your attempt.

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    35. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Yeesh! That was dire. But I get your point: I'll definitely make the joke next time to save us from your attempt.

      Hey, you threatened twice before I went for it! :p

    36. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penis penis penis!

      You wouldn't happen to be an under 8 year-old with your own tablet?

    37. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tablets are more useful for some than for others. When I was in the hospital for three months in 2014, I used both my tablet and my laptop (Lenovo T43 at the time) quite a bit. Now I don't use my tablet as much, mainly due to the fact that most of the apps are spyware infested, ad infested, want a constant internet connection, or want you to make in-game purchases to get past certain parts of the games, or a combination of the above. I do sometimes use my tablet to watch Youtube videos, or as a Roku remote.

      Tablets, even tablets with a keyboard (called convertibles?) will not replace a laptop or desktop PC. My eye doctor's office switched from laptops to convertibles, and has greatly regretted it! Their old laptops were sold, and they are waiting for a contract to expire so that they can get new laptops.

      Oh, and BTW there will never be a replacement for the standard computer keyboard. It has been tried many times with different keyboard designs, and even voice recognition. The standard computer (QWERTY) keyboard is still the standard, and always will be.

      We have also been told that "smart" phones will replace laptops and desktop PCs, but thats not ever gonna happen either. A "smart" phone is just a smaller version of a tablet, with the added capability to make and receive phone calls.

    38. Re:Makes sense by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

      So what does the child do once the homework is done but the meter is still refilling?

      Well, since the only two meaningful things that children can possibly do outside of school hours are homework and staring at a phone or tablet, the only real choice they have is to sit facing the wall until they go to bed, still crying their eyes out from all the opportunities their parents robbed from them to grow up in a myopic virtual universe and ignore the real one around them.

      TL;DR: I really hope you were joking.

    39. Re:Makes sense by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you watched tv.

      At the risk of stating the obvious, a generation or two back the typical lineup on broadcast TV wasn't nearly as conducive to 24x7 consumption by kids.

      It seemed to me that there were more good shows when I had 3 channels, than there are now with 3000.

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    40. Re:Makes sense by clong83 · · Score: 1

      I actually use my laptop for parallel programming. That is to say, it is a bit crufty. I have an iPad 2 that I still use. I keep it on the end table by the couch. I use it for checking email (but usually not writing unless it will be very sort), light browsing, and generally killing time with a crossword puzzle or some such. It's essentially replaced the pile of magazines most people used to have there instead. I supposed I could get a netbook or light-duty laptop for the same purpose, but I won't spend the money until the iPad breaks and forces the issue.

    41. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I actually use my laptop for parallel programming. That is to say, it is a bit crufty. I have an iPad 2 that I still use. I keep it on the end table by the couch. I use it for checking email (but usually not writing unless it will be very sort), light browsing, and generally killing time with a crossword puzzle or some such. It's essentially replaced the pile of magazines most people used to have there instead. I supposed I could get a netbook or light-duty laptop for the same purpose, but I won't spend the money until the iPad breaks and forces the issue.

      What I would like a tablet for is a wireless remote screen. Something I could move reference materials from my laptop screen over to and use the touchscreen or laptop keyboard to interact with. Probably will never happen but just seems like it would be useful.

    42. Re:Makes sense by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      It seemed to me that there were more good shows when I had 3 channels, than there are now with 3000.

      Absolutely agree. But having no point of reference, kids will cheerfully keep playing (and replaying) whatever swill is on until you forcibly scrape their eyes off the screen.

    43. Re:Makes sense by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I primarily use my Galaxy Tab A as an ebook reader, it's great for that. Also, Memedroid, a time waster if ever there was one.
      Also the occasional web browsing, though it's slow.

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    44. Re:Makes sense by clong83 · · Score: 1

      That is a really good idea. Never would have thought of that myself. Conversely, I have thought that it would be really nice to be able to push the iPad display to a projector or other screen on a local network. That could be useful when I want to show off some photos (which would be nice to push to the TV), or give a powerpoint presentation, etc.

    45. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm actually SOOOO glad they didn't have this shit or cameras on everyones' person when I was growing up.

      I actually got to go outside and play and use my imagination, and no one to track me or take incriminating evidence of me while I acted upon said imagination....

      Not just being a kid, the late 90's/early 2000's bar and party scene was quite a lot wilder before cameras were ubiquitous. Now it's only the really drunk and dumb who risk getting caught on camera when it used to be that everyone could feel free to cut loose.

    46. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's my -1 Buzzkillington mod?

    47. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some, uh, jizz on your tablet screen...

    48. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      We've been the slowest part of computing for the last three decades.

      Microsoft: "Hold my beer."

    49. Re:Makes sense by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aircraft for one. My laptop doesn't usually have room to open fully.

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    50. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For kids, heroin is also a great pacifier.

    51. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      More like 18 than 8. At least when I was 8, I didn't yet know that my third leg dragging everywhere wasn't a problem everyone had! HA CHA CHA CHA CHA *twirls cartooney late-1800s moustache*

    52. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      If you're using Linux/Unix, there are X extensions to add a monitor over ethernet. This was required in the olden days for big screens, when the processing of that much video required multiple machines. If you don't care about dragging it directly over and just being able to launch between them, simple ssh (and thus X forwarding) is all you need, and that's about as out-of-the-box as you can get.

    53. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      I should clarify: big screens that are a composite of several smaller screens. Resolution used to be really expensive!

    54. Re:Makes sense by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      No you didn't, you watched tv.

      Only usually at night, or sometimes after school when I got in and cartoons were on, but not all the time.

      I often got home, jumped on my skateboard and was off with my friends skating, or biking around, playing kill the man with the ball or football in someone's yard....or in summer at the neighborhood pool.

      Hell, I was well into high school before we got cable in our neighborhood, so, until then we only had like 3 channels to pick from, so, no...it wasn't TV all the time.

      I spent most of my youth outside the house hanging with my friends and doing things with them IN person, or dating girls and trying to get laid.

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    55. Re:Makes sense by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      So what does the child do once the homework is done but the meter is still refilling?

      Err....go outside and play with their friends?

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    56. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      They are not desktop replacements. They are not laptop replacements.

      But the laptop already replaced the desktop for.... most everything.

      Hell, even at slow-to-adopt large companies I've worked at they eschewed the desktop completely for a dockable laptop. Other's have their 10-year-old-desktops-because-why-should-an-employee-need-performance while everyone got a new laptop (or a replacement every ~3 years). The latter I guess either to ensure either free voluntary overtime, or to not allow "no computer access" as an excuse for not doing oncall/forced overtime. And at home? Yeah I have a couple desktops that are sitting in a closet somewhere. I don't play games except on a console, and why should I be isolated in a room and a desk to browse slashdot and make cynical remarks when I can do it right from my couch?

    57. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      I played with my imagination and ran around the woods a ton. They had TV, and cartoons and stuff on them. I was probably 7 or 8 when I saw my first cartoon / show directed toward children. Last place I wanted to be as a kid was in the family room with the shared television.

      Now that people call the police when I run around pretending to be an airplane and that I'm in a bombing mission using pine cones against the invisible force that resides in the empty parking space... it's led to a lot more TV watching to pass the time in a sanctioned form :(

    58. Re:Makes sense by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Just means you need to find seedier parties.

    59. Re:Makes sense by blindseer · · Score: 1

      The standard computer (QWERTY) keyboard is still the standard, and always will be.

      I agree with you that they are standard and they will be difficult to replace but I so wish that we'd agree on something better. All I want is keyboards that don't have this stupid staggered layout. Put the keys in simple rows and columns. The reason the keys were staggered like that was so that the levers that attached the keys on old style typewriters needed them staggered so that the levers would not interfere with each other. Excepting people with rickets or something our fingers naturally move up and down in fairly straight lines, not this 10 degree slant up and to the left.

      I do know that keyboards as I describe do exist but they cost far more than they should. I got a pile of keyboards on a fire sale for $2 each, and another pile for helping clean out a medical clinic's offices after they moved to a new building. These are all "broken" but since they were cheap as dirt I put up with this madness of a keyboard layout from the 1800s in 2017.

      I'm not asking for a whole new layout, I wouldn't want that since I've learned to type on QWERTY. I would like the keys lined up in nice rows and columns to reduce typing fatigue though.

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    60. Re:Makes sense by blindseer · · Score: 1

      For kids, heroin is also a great pacifier.

      Sure is. The problem now is that since the kids got bigger they keep stealing my stash.

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    61. Re:Makes sense by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      A Kindle is fine. It doesn't have to be connected to the internet, and even if you let it, it won't touch your books. Which you can copy over USB in a bunch of formats (I think PDF, text and either epub or mobi is supported). I got one for my mom a few years ago and she's been very happy with it.

    62. Re:Makes sense by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I do know that keyboards as I describe do exist but they cost far more than they should.... I would like the keys lined up in nice rows and columns to reduce typing fatigue though.

      Someone went to the effort of creating exactly what you want, and you're not happy about that? Just go build your own then.

    63. Re:Makes sense by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but in the past Amazon has removed books already purchased. I see no reason to trust them now. I'm grant that I'm not sure of the exact nature of how those books were stored, but that reveals a design intent that I don't think any sensible person should trust.

      You are free to disagree. My thinking that you aren't being sensible won't do you any harm. Amazon, however...

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    64. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% correct when talking about kids. Show me a frequent user of tablets or smartphones aged 8 or less and I will show you a future retard.

    65. Re:Makes sense by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      8-year-olds are the only ones who still find tablets useful.

      Glad to see that things haven't changed since ancient Mesopotamia.

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    66. Re:Makes sense by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      What does an adult do with a tablet? I honestly see them as worthless. Sure, I can understand kids wanting a tablet to have a portable tv and some games. Kids are smaller too, a tablet to them is watchable, but to me they're too small. Even when I get email on my phone, if I see something interesting on the phone I often need to use the computer to actually view it correctly (looking at attachments) or to respond to them. Of course, if someone gave me a tablet I would accept it; I could resell it to a child.

    67. Re:Makes sense by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      No I didn't, my parents would shoo me out of the house if I spent at much time on a TV as some kids spend squinting at a phone or tablet.

    68. Re:Makes sense by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a laptop. Can get decent games on it, and get some work done, or email, etc. Tablets just aren't really suited for a lot of things for me. I don't have 20/20 vision, I can't do social media more than 5 minutes before I'm caught up, etc.

    69. Re:Makes sense by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I was in the hospital for eye surgery, so I assure you, I don't have 20/20 vision either. The tablet, however, suited my needs although I'll admit to missing a proper keyboard. I type WAY too slow on an onscreen keyboard.

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    70. Re:Makes sense by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      They have to make an in-app purchase to buy more tokens, of course.

    71. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Still on Windows these days but the reasons to switch keep mounting...

    72. Re:Makes sense by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Aircraft for one. My laptop doesn't usually have room to open fully.

      Last time I flew, six years ago, I had no trouble with my laptop. Has it gotten that much worse?

    73. Re:Makes sense by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      The tablet is more portable than a laptop. In some situations, that one advantage trumps all the disadvantages. At home, however, I only use the tablet for games and maybe reading if my Kindle is charging. Everything else, I use the laptop.

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    74. Re:Makes sense by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Someone went to the effort of creating exactly what you want, and you're not happy about that?

      I don't think anyone has built exactly what I want, I've seen a handful that got close enough except for the price. The ones that got close cost somewhere in the $100 to $200 range when I have people giving me perfectly functional keyboards for free. It's hard to beat free. I have three keyboards on my desk at home and if I'm going to use this new keyboard layout then I'll need three of these keyboards or suffer the confusion of switching layouts constantly. Even then the layout would not match on my laptop. How can I get the keys in nice rows and columns on a laptop?

      Just go build your own then.

      Can't do that for $2. How can I expect to build my own keyboard that won't look like shit and be durable and not cost a small fortune? Then again, forget how it looks, it has to work and be durable for not a lot of money.

      Oh, and I said three keyboards on my desk at home, not three computers. I have two KVM switches and three displays, it's not just a matter of getting a KVM switch and a new keyboard.

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    75. Re:Makes sense by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      The pizza delivery guy gives me one to sign for my pizza, or to swipe my credit card. Package delivery guys asks me to sign one. AT&T attempted to give me a bad deal on DSL on one just the other day. I order meals from one in some restaurants. My doctor has me fill out forms on one. There are a lot of actual uses that anyone can see if they're looking.

      I use mine for web browsing while i'm on the couch, I control my PC at home with one when I'm at work or away from my home, I watch TV/movies in the same situation. Can I live without it? Yes. Can my PC do all those things better? Yes. But is it useful? Absolutely.

    76. Re:Makes sense by tepples · · Score: 1

      And if you're really controlling what computing is being done on your PC then surely your PC isn't running Microsoft Windows.

      Only a Sith deals in absolutes. The user of a PC running Windows has more control over the PC than the user of an iPad has over the iPad. As long as the PC isn't running Windows 10 S, the user can obtain apps from anywhere and obtain Visual Studio or MinGW with which to make extensions (sometimes called "mods") or even original apps. And replacing the entire operating system is possible if the motherboard doesn't have "Restricted Boot" (UEFI Secure Boot that the PC's owner cannot reconfigure).

    77. Re:Makes sense by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      No, I meant your own books, i.e. those you loaded yourself and didn't get from Amazon. I do remember the story about them "recalling" already sold books, but not the details so who knows what happened.

    78. Re: Makes sense by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      It has been about as long for me. Probably depends on the airline and aircraft.

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    79. Re:Makes sense by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It pretty much replaced computers for my mother-in-law. If you're going to do web surfing and want a few mindless games, a tablet is great. Get a Bluetooth keyboard for it and you can do light word processing and email. This is the sort of use I used to suggest Ubuntu or Mint for, but tablets are simpler to use. Lots of us have more complicated use cases that a tablet isn't sufficient for, of course.

      I use mine as an eBook and PDF reader, and it's a lot better at that than my laptop or desktop. I haven't developed anything on it yet. I'm very content with my selection of electronic devices.

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    80. Re:Makes sense by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I do go far back, and there's always been a lot of stuff suitable for kids. When we had five available TV stations, there were always cartoons before and after school and Saturday mornings, and a lot of the movies were kid-friendly. It wasn't like having Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network, but it worked.

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  2. commentsubject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh, give it another 50 years and it'll still be kids being raised by [different form factor]

    I'm not injecting much snark into "raised", feel free to substitute that word with "occupied" or "babysat". I have other parenting bones to pick if I feel like it.

    1. Re:commentsubject by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      [different form factor] = Robotic slugs implanted in the brain

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  3. A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not too surprising. Just as the Boomers, were suck in front of the TV, Gen X were given Video Games, Menials have Cell Phones. It makes scene that today's kids have the newest technology to pacify them. We can tout bad parenting... But in truth having an outlet where the child is out of your hands for an hour or so, it overall beneficial. Kids before that technology were just beaten if they were too much of a problem... So having a kid, watch a movie on a tablet in terms of perspective is a good thing.

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    1. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kids that were 'beaten' were the ones that won WWII. Today's kids can't seem to find their ass from a hole in the wall, let alone win any of the various conflicts our dipshit leaders get us into.

    2. Re:A modern pacifier by geekmux · · Score: 0

      Not too surprising. Just as the Boomers, were suck in front of the TV, Gen X were given Video Games, Menials have Cell Phones. It makes scene that today's kids have the newest technology to pacify them. We can tout bad parenting... But in truth having an outlet where the child is out of your hands for an hour or so, it overall beneficial. Kids before that technology were just beaten if they were too much of a problem... So having a kid, watch a movie on a tablet in terms of perspective is a good thing.

      Given the utter lack of controls being applied, is having a kid watch hardcore porn a "good thing"? Seems few adults really understand the dangers of the internet these days, and I'm willing to bet 99% of tablets in children's hands have an unfiltered internet connection. Perhaps it's time we start considering that perspective for a minute before labeling this a mere pacifier...

    3. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The kids on the the side that lost WWII were beaten as well.

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    4. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      1. Most kids under 8 will not be searching for Porn, at this age it doesn't really interest them the same way it does say a 12 year old.
      2. Tablets are in general safer to browse then PC.
      3. Kids under 8 mostly have very poor reading and writing skills, and will not be able to fill out an online form to sign up to particular sites.

      As well just like TV, Video Games... The child still needs to be monitored not just blindly abandoned, but the parent doesn't need to be actively participating in the child's activity for this time.

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    5. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were the same ones that sold the weapons to the apposing side too.

    6. Re:A modern pacifier by Stephen+Battleware · · Score: 2

      @ jellomizer

      But they were told they were naturally superior: the German kids were told it was because of their race, the Japanese kids were told it was because of their culture.

    7. Re:A modern pacifier by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. You don't have to search for porn to find it.
      2. This claim is based on what empirical data?
      3. You don't have to fill out any forms to view a porn site.

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    8. Re:A modern pacifier by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I didn't spend my youth in front of a video games or TV along with most of the people I went to school with. It's more than generational but also location I grew up in a small mid-west town that didn't have cable until 1988.

      I had a friend that wanted to do a long term study of outcomes for children that had access to technology in the early to mid 90s. He talked about it the entire time I worked with him from about 92-95. He thought that the kids in his classes that were more familiar with technology did better on average.

    9. Re:A modern pacifier by war4peace · · Score: 3, Informative

      My kids have an unfiltered but monitored Internet Connection. They also have a separate account than mine, on the PC (Windows) and laptop (Windows). They have no tablet or smart phone yet.
      I have analyzed the data gathered from their gaming and website accessing for the last 6 months and found one occurrence of questionable data, which was an ad to a zombie game. In fact, it was an image containing "other games from us", split in 4, and one of the quarters had an image of a cartoon character shooting a cartoon zombie. The most likely reason for the "cleanliness" of their data is the fact that major data providers (Microsoft, Google) have become so good at establishing and reinforcing the information bubble that it effectively protects them from accessing questionable sources, namely they don't see them in "recommended" data (be it other games, Youtube videos, etc).

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    10. Re:A modern pacifier by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep. Our 5 year old has my old tablet. But that doesn't mean he is glued to it 12 hours a day. He probably uses it about 1-2 hours a week such as on Saturday mornings when we just are not read to get up when he is. It is also very nice to load it with a few favorite movies for car trips. Even then he only watches maybe an hour or two's worth of movies/shows over 8 hours of driving.

      Like many things, there can be responsible use or irresponsible misuse. I see nothing wrong with modest amounts of TV watching, but I am also not about to use it as a baby sitter.

    11. Re:A modern pacifier by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      maybe those kids were too dumb to realize they were risking life and limb to make others rich?

    12. Re:A modern pacifier by known_coward_69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      my ten year old older kid is always on youtube, but he can describe exactly how a car's powertrain works from the stuff he watches. Not like when i vegged out to stupid westerns in the 80's

    13. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Informative

      As opposed to Great Briton, France, The United States, Soviet Union, China...

      Eugenics was a popular idea globally at the time. In the United States, children of poor people or criminals were sterilized at birth. We are still inflected with nationalism, where by virtue of or Race, culture, religion, or where we were born, we somehow are better then someone else.

      Sadly enough the side that won WWII were guilty with their own crimes against humanity, as trying to exterminate inferiors was a popular notion of the time. It is just that one side won, and was able to cast judgement on the side that had loss. At least on the bright side, after casting judgement there was some insight to adjust their own moral code to prevent from being too hypocritical.

      Now Germany seem to do things worse then the Allies did. However the Allies were not that far from it, just some small changes could had pushed us over the edge.

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    14. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it bad parenting?

      • * My kids get up, dressed, have breakfast, pack up for school. That's perhaps an hour.
      • * Then go to school, that's 7 hours plus another hour schlepping their siblings around to their schools.
      • * Then we have doctors appointments, sports, etc. Another 3-4 hours of schlepping siblings around.
      • * Now we have dinner, then bedtime.

      Do you remember when kids got to be a kid? Just walk home, go outside, and play?

      Those tablets let them play videogames on the move, rather than just being bored all the time.

      It's also a major help to me, as a parent. All those stories you hear about cell phones being distracting? Trust me, they don't hold a candle to kids.

      The tablet has become a major piece of driving safety equipment!

    15. Re:A modern pacifier by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      How cute that you think that you have to sign up to a porn site.

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    16. Re:A modern pacifier by Calydor · · Score: 1

      1) No, but it gets a lot harder to find it without searching for it. Just like all things.
      2) Fewer targeted attacks against tablet OSes due to smaller market segment compared to Windows.
      3) You sound like you know what you're talking about. Care to elaborate? Do porn sites not even have the bit about promising you're over 13 years old? Maybe the quick "Enter your birth date" page? Is is just hardcore porn on the index.htm page?

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    17. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Most kids will go to their favorite site and play a game or watch a movie.
      You can probably find porn if you are browsing message boards, and user generated content, but kids under 8 will not be into this stuff, Larger sites like You Tube will actually have filtering on by default.

      However back to the key point, You don't just give them a tablet and leave the room, it still needs to be monitored. As an 8 year old may be searching for pictures of their favorite cartoon character and may reach some questionable fan art. However it allows time for the parent to passively monitor the child.

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    18. Re:A modern pacifier by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, before TV most kids were sent out to play if the weather was at all suitable (which included light rain). Or sent to their room to play if it wasn't.

      One can argue that TV/Video Games/etc. are better than being sent to their room to play, but it's hard to argue that they're better than being sent outside to play. These days, though, its seen to be too dangerous. I'm not certain whether it *is* any more dangerous than it ever was, but it's definitely seen that way, and occasionally parent's have their kids taken away for not helicoptering. This restricts the choices.

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    19. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      step 1: go to pornhub.com
      step 2: click video

    20. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well remember the key demographics of this Article is 8 and under.
      So this is normally children who are in second grade or less. And not all kids are put in front of technology, they may be in an environment where they have other kids to play with, or a sitter and given more wholesome activities to be involved with, you could have a super parent who took care of you at the point of mental breakdown. But the point is, most parents need some sort or activity to keep a child relaxed as they recharge themselves.

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    21. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the biggest problems with parenting today isn't the parents, it's that you can't let your kid go outside with other kids to play on the grass unless you're physically right there. If you're out of eyesight of any kid under the age of 12 or so, you're liable to have the cops called by some nincompoop who doesn't have enough problems of their own to deal with and has to meddle in other people's business and parenting.

      We've become a nation of meddling ninnies and it's pathetic, and our kids are worse off for it. Why else would vitamin D supplements for kids be pushed so hard, other than for recognizing that going outside to play for a couple hours alone has become almost taboo?

    22. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do porn sites not even have the bit about promising you're over 13 years old? Maybe the quick "Enter your birth date" page? Is is just hardcore porn on the index.htm page?

      No self-respecting porn site today bothers with any sign up form or even that worthless age verification step.

    23. Re:A modern pacifier by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Remember, since we're not perfect, that puts us on *exactly* the same level as people who kill people for being Polish and conduct bayonet practice with POWs.

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    24. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can say from personal experience that physical and emotional abuse by your parents, even in a seemingly normal American household, makes one much more likely to be easily controlled by others, particularly the sociopathic, as they have no qualms doing so. Should be no surprise that the older generation is a lot more willing to be codependent to their rich masters than this generation, as they were more likely to have been abused as children (and, worse still, probably told by anyone and everyone that it was "for their own good"). How do you even know what you actually want when you've been conditioned with derision and fear of abuse since infancy!?

    25. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's over-correction that's mostly due to the fear peddling by nearly the EXACT same tough-on-crime politicians who are bitching about the snowflakes, which the media is quick to latch onto for ratings. What the fuck did they think was going to happen after telling them the gangs, the narcos, the commies, the Muslims, the strangers and the negros were all coming for their kids despite the overwhelmingly low percentage of any such thing happening.

      Like every other bit of over-correction, you'll start to see the pendulum swing back the other direction. This is the natural way of things. It's less an issue of meddling ninnies and more an issue of a lack of fucking pragmatists.

    26. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any scientific evidence that porn is harmful to children?

    27. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, man, because of course the worst you can imagine a child do is watch someone have sex...

    28. Re:A modern pacifier by geekmux · · Score: 1

      1. Most kids under 8 will not be searching for Porn, at this age it doesn't really interest them the same way it does say a 12 year old.

      Hormones have existed since the dawn of time. And fine, replace 8-year old with 12-year old. Or 14-year old. What does it matter? Hardcore porn is still able to be accessed by a minor very easily, and ironically with the very tool given to them by their parents.

      2. Tablets are in general safer to browse then PC.

      I said porn, not virus. The infection is in the mind, not the PC.

      3. Kids under 8 mostly have very poor reading and writing skills, and will not be able to fill out an online form to sign up to particular sites.

      All it takes is a typo these days to accidentally stumble across hardcore porn. No sign-up necessary.

      As well just like TV, Video Games... The child still needs to be monitored not just blindly abandoned, but the parent doesn't need to be actively participating in the child's activity for this time.

      We're calling it a pacifier for a reason; so parents can assume someone or something else is taking on their responsibility for a while.

    29. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you see people born with horrible malformations and genetic defects, you realize that a little bit of eugenics would be a good idea.

    30. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are your kids too busy with "sports" to "go outside and play"?

    31. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any scientific evidence that porn is harmful to children?

      Guess that depends on how many movie directors enjoyed porn in their earlier years...

      Joking aside, are you serious with this comment? How exactly does porn create a realistic view of relationships, sex, or respect towards a sexual partner? Not to mention porn addiction is a very real thing.

    32. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kids that were 'beaten' were the ones that won WWII.

      resolving a problem that was caused by you and could have been prevented isn't all that impressive.

    33. Re:A modern pacifier by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      3. Kids under 8 mostly have very poor reading and writing skills, and will not be able to fill out an online form to sign up to particular sites.

      Wow. You've never looked at porn online. This is like finding a unicorn.

    34. Re:A modern pacifier by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      1) You clearly have no kids if you think just because someone is 8 or under doesn't mean they won't search for something they've talked about.
      2) Targeted what now? Wait you would let someone under 8 use a computer with an administrator account? You've just asserted that kids won't find porn, they sure as hell won't fill out phishing attempts or start downloading and installing software (especially not on a computer where they won't be capable of doing so). One thing they will definitely find before they get to screwing your computer up is however ... porn.
      3) You sound like you haven't used the internet for the past 10 years. You tell me how hard this is (phrasing pun intended): https://www.pornhub.com/

    35. Re:A modern pacifier by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      1. You don't have to search for porn to find it.

      I cannot speak for others but my router has per device site whitelist. It's not insanely hard to set up, I get that the majority cannot do this and I've built ones for friends for $120, so I would think that more people would see this as an opportunity to make some fast cash.

      2. This claim is based on what empirical data?

      Cannot speak for the other person, but I do know that Amazon tablets can have a kid profile added and it limits what the built in browser can do. So maybe that?

      3. You don't have to fill out any forms to view a porn site.

      I think person was speaking in more general terms like trying to get into forums and post personal information.

      I'm not advocating parents give kids tablets and run. I keep an ear open to hear what they're doing and if they interact with the internet, the router gives me a daily digest and I run through at night. A python script runs through the log and pulls out any domains we've not seen in the last seven days, so I can easily see what's changing. Additionally, I do peak in on them every 15-20 minutes and their Internet connection is cut after one hour, tablets go cold by themselves after an hour and a half (parental setup on the Amazon tablets). There's lots of tools that are out there that can help not hover over the kid but still keep them somewhat safe. They'll never be 100% insulated but that's okay, they need to also develop skills in picking what is right and what is not right on the Internet, and yes as a parent you need to help develop those skills.

      Yes, I get that there are parents that just dump a tablet on a kid, but honestly IMHO the tablet is just an excuse, the parent was going to dump something on their kid to get them out of their hair, the tablet just happens to be the excuse dejure.

    36. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Is there any scientific evidence that porn is harmful to children?

      Of course not. (Please send funding for me to research the subject).

    37. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Menials have Cell Phones.

      Not sure if typo/autocorrect, but I am now using this to refer to that generation.

    38. Re:A modern pacifier by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      On tablets and especially iPads, a few things that might help are...

      1. Log into a gmail/google account with safe surfing or whatever they call it turned on. That helps protect them random searches from the Safari browser as well as youtube. Don't show/teach your kids where those settings are.

      2. Don't let the kids ever play with these devices behind closed doors.

      3. Tell the kids that if they see something gross, weird, bad,... or anything that makes them feel uncomfortable, to turn if off... and tell their parents so the parents can try to help prevent them from seeing icky stuff.

      4. Limit that shit. It's too easy to get lazy and not realize they are spending too much time on those devices. I worry about posture and general health of the kids more than anything. Every day, or a few times a day, we are telling our kids "all electronics off, play outside for a while, it is nice out there"... and we join them half the time to make sure they understand we too enjoy the outdoors.

    39. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even with TV in the early 70s we were sent out to play. Even heavy rain didn't stop us. One of my fond memories is being at a neighbor's house and drinking the rain water that was dripping off the roof. I was probably 5 or 6 so I didn't think there was anything wrong with it, LOL. I didn't get sick or anything but I was lucky. When you've got a parent that stays at home all day, it's no big deal for you to come home drenched. It was probably like pre-rinsing clothes that were going to be dirty anyway. Nobody had a video game in their home until jr. high, when the Atari 2600 came out and it was THE thing to get for Christmas. We didn't get one. I ended up spending a lot of time playing Atari with a friend at the end of the block. We eventually got a C-64 though, which was sweet.

    40. Re:A modern pacifier by Calydor · · Score: 1

      How did you first hear about pornhub? On a site that eight year olds usually frequent?

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    41. Re:A modern pacifier by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      In the United States, children of poor people or criminals were sterilized at birth.

      You are seriously challenged to prove that the children of the poor were all sterilized at birth. Because you just spouted utter shit. Bullshit, and Jellomizer, you sir, are a fucking liar. You hate the alloies? It's too bad we didn't allow those others to take over your country, Since you appear to believe that the Allies were the equal in evilness between Adolf Tojo and old Josef.

      Anyhow, thanks for playing, Boris.

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    42. Re:A modern pacifier by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I used to play concentration with playing cards when I was a kid or do puzzles. I had two sisters that were cheerleaders and 10 years older than me, they would take me to the football games at the high school. I would hang out on the sidelines with the cheerleaders and they would all buy me junk food from the concession stand and tell me me how cute I was and about how I was going to be the captain of the football teams when I was in high school. (I only played football my freshman year and injured my knee, I spent months in physical therapy used a brace for over a year)

      At that point very few people had computers or video games and there was no cable tv until much later.

    43. Re:A modern pacifier by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      NPR
      Don't believe reputable fake news, about a copy of the original source?
      National Archive

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    44. Re:A modern pacifier by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Yes.

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    45. Re:A modern pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean Millennials unless you were talking you were talking about your maids, nannies and cooks you posh git.

    46. Re:A modern pacifier by Rande · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, the distraction was 'outside'. Parents didn't want to deal with you anymore 'Go play outside', and we'd be gone until dusk or dinner time.
      We had access to softer porn - mostly playboy and penthouse borrowed from someones dads stash, but it was just curiosity until puberty. I think in hindsight it would have been healthier to not have sex and nudity as taboo, but as a normal part of life that could be openly discussed rather than giggling children learning from their almost equally ignorant elder siblings.

    47. Re:A modern pacifier by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Well, when I first learned about porn, pornhub didn't exist, and neither did the internet. I learned about porn magazines from the older brother of a friend. I assume the kids learn about internet pr0n the same way.

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    48. Re:A modern pacifier by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I assure you, the cartoons I watched as a kid did not have a realistic view of relationships, zoology, or gravity. I turned out OK (as long as I keep taking my meds).

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    49. Re:A modern pacifier by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Kids under 8 mostly have very poor reading and writing skills, and will not be able to fill out an online form to sign up to particular sites.

      My son was well under eight when he asked us why child-proof caps have the instructions printed right on them.

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  4. My kid does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My kid does just because it's an older device that I can't get much for anyway. It's helped him feel confident about doing activities himself at a young age and feeling like he can discover how things work. He's better with letters and numbers because of it, and knows certain things about animals, bugs, colors, shapes, things like weather and planets and everyday life such as various jobs and things people do, in a kind of vicarious way that he couldn't do otherwise. He does about 20-30 minutes a day on there since he was 2 and it's been a positive experience. I make sure there are no ads and put it on airplane mode, and of course review any apps before I let him play them. It also helps me know what he's talking about when he tries to relate his experiences.

  5. We Are The Borg by RumGunner · · Score: 2

    Resistance was futile.

  6. Nothing to see here, move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon has been selling child-proof tablets for years.

  7. We Are DEVO by Yergle143 · · Score: 2
  8. surprisingly low by smithcl8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the kids in my school district have iPads from Kindergarten on. They use the heck out of them, too. Make music, little stop-motion videos, a little coding stuff, and some math/reading games. I don't even have to push them to play those things.....they are just better than Mavis Beacon when I was younger.

    1. Re:surprisingly low by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I don't even have one. They're far too expensive for one, so 42% of kids having them is astounding, I would have expected them to be considered luxury devices out of the reach of of a large segment of the population, and I would hope a large segment of those who can afford tablets would refrain.

  9. Statistics not valid by rtfa0987 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only covers kids whose parents have email and are on some unspecified email list. "Methodology. This report presents the results of a nationally representative, probability-based online survey of 1,454 parents of children age 8 or under, conducted from Jan. 20, 2017, to Feb. 10, 2017. The survey was designed by Common Sense and VJR Consulting and fielded by the research firm GfK, using its KnowledgePanel©, a probability-based web panel designed to be representative of the U.S. population." https://www.commonsensemedia.o... Aren't surveys fun?

    1. Re:Statistics not valid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even worse than that, actually. KnowledgePanel is one of those dodgy sites that pays people $1 each to take surveys.

  10. It's the new second TV by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    In the 80's a sign of wealth was having multiple TV's. Main set in the living room and smaller sets for the kids and maybe in the bedroom.

    This is the same thing except it's a tablet and not a TV

    1. Re:It's the new second TV by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Yeah we only have one TV because you don't really need more with tablets around, and they are far cheaper than the car entertainment systems. The parental controls on the Fire tablets are very granular for making sure they aren't just vegging out all day.

    2. Re:It's the new second TV by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      Except that a tablet is not a sign of wealth. Entry level tablets are actually cheaper than many toys aimed at 8 yo kids. In fact, it is probably the cheapest way to keep them occupied.

    3. Re:It's the new second TV by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Yeah we only have one TV because you don't really need more with tablets around, and they are far cheaper than the car entertainment systems.

      Huh, hadn't thought of that. That probably explains why I still haven't installed the bedroom TV since we moved house, and that was three years ago. Guess, I'm getting a dual monitor setup after all for my gaming rig!

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    4. Re:It's the new second TV by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Also sometimes parents don't buy them for kids. I see many kids' tablets are hand-me downs from the parents when they get new tablets. Or from other family members. These older tablets may not have the latest and greatest hardware but they don't need that for a younger child.

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    5. Re:It's the new second TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know of a homeless kid who owns a tablet and a laptop. His parent only owns a laptop.

    6. Re:It's the new second TV by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Except that a tablet is not a sign of wealth. Entry level tablets are actually cheaper than many toys aimed at 8 yo kids.

      Also too expensive. You clearly have no idea what it's like to actually be poor.

      You just don't have it. It's not that you have it but you choose to squander it. You never had it to begin with.

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    7. Re:It's the new second TV by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      An entry-level tablet is less than $50. If live in a western country and can't afford to pay $50 for your kid, be it for a tablet or something else non essential, it means you are either at the level where your health is compromised or you have trouble keeping a budget.
      A tablet is the cheapest screen device you can get. Can't afford a TV, get a tablet. The hard part is the internet connection. If you can find a free WiFi, that's great, otherwise, maybe you can find a deal with your neighbors/roommates or something. Unlike with the tablet, internet is a monthly payment, and even with the cheapest plans, it adds up quickly.

  11. They play bejeweled/candy crush for 3 months ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... then use it as an alarm-clock/potential WhatsApp/Facebook backup. ... That's what my daughter did with my old tablet anyway.

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  12. Cable TV is poor value for money by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Families with young children are now more likely to have a subscription video service such as Netflix or Hulu (72%) than they are to have cable TV (65%).

    That's because cable TV is shit value for the money. It's (generally) tied to a physical location, requires special hardware to record and view at a time convenient to you (which they charge extra for), has a huge amount of really crappy programming, they refuse to make ala-carte channel selection an option, their streaming options (generally) suck, and it's very expensive. $40/month gets you a very basic selection of channels with not a lot of interesting programming and no archive of content to watch.

    In short:
    Hard to time shift
    Hard to location shift
    Expensive
    Crappy assortment of programming
    Wall to wall advertisements
    No archive of content to watch

    Is it really any wonder people are dropping cable?

    1. Re:Cable TV is poor value for money by dj245 · · Score: 1

      Families with young children are now more likely to have a subscription video service such as Netflix or Hulu (72%) than they are to have cable TV (65%).

      That's because cable TV is shit value for the money. It's (generally) tied to a physical location, requires special hardware to record and view at a time convenient to you (which they charge extra for), has a huge amount of really crappy programming, they refuse to make ala-carte channel selection an option, their streaming options (generally) suck, and it's very expensive. $40/month gets you a very basic selection of channels with not a lot of interesting programming and no archive of content to watch.

      In short: Hard to time shift Hard to location shift Expensive Crappy assortment of programming Wall to wall advertisements No archive of content to watch

      Is it really any wonder people are dropping cable?

      Most of the big cable companies have phone apps now. Xfinity has been pushing advertisements for this on me for a while. They also seem to be working on the time shifting.

      That said, most cable channels are terrible value for money.

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  13. Parents First by scubamage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Parents need to remember that your kid is learning from your behavior. If you have your nose in your phone and tablet all day every day, you are teaching your kid that that is acceptable behavior. No matter how much you try to restrict their access to it, they are very likely to mimic you in the end. If you use a phone and tablet sparsely and put an emphasis on doing other things, the kid is much more likely to do the same. So, giving them a tablet isn't that huge of a deal so long as you yourself don't have one surgically attached at the hip.

    1. Re:Parents First by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Parents need to remember that your kid is learning from your behavior. If you have your nose in your phone and tablet all day every day, you are teaching your kid that that is acceptable behavior. No matter how much you try to restrict their access to it, they are very likely to mimic you in the end. If you use a phone and tablet sparsely and put an emphasis on doing other things, the kid is much more likely to do the same. So, giving them a tablet isn't that huge of a deal so long as you yourself don't have one surgically attached at the hip.

      I would add: my kids don't have time to spend on the laptop, they have projects, homework, dinner, bedtime prep - not much time left in the evening to watch.

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  14. Big deal by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Big deal, I had a tablet when I was 8 years old (57 years ago) too. It had 64 pages of lined paper and I put it to good use. Now get off my lawn!

    1. Re:Big deal by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Big deal, I had a tablet when I was 8 years old (57 years ago) too. It had 64 pages of lined paper and I put it to good use. Now get off my lawn!

      I would have been impressed if you had said graph paper. Oh well.

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    2. Re:Big deal by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      I graduated to engineering tablets in junior high school.

    3. Re:Big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well lah-dee-dah Mr. Fancypants "I had lined paper when I was a kid." In my day, our tablets were made of slate that we had to quarry with our bare hands. And we wrote on them with rusty nails we pulled out of our feet while walking 15 miles to school, uphill the whole way, after working in the fields for 16 hours on our way to a 12-hour shift at the factory. And that was all before noon! Now get off MY lawn before I show you how we played Angry Birds back then, you lined-paper-having whipper-snapper!

    4. Re:Big deal by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Hex paper for me!

    5. Re:Big deal by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Hex paper was hard to get when I was a kid.

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  15. Beatings? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Kids before that technology were just beaten if they were too much of a problem... So having a kid, watch a movie on a tablet in terms of perspective is a good thing.

    Are you seriously arguing that access to tablets (or other electronic gadgets) is the reason children aren't being physically beaten? You have a very twisted view of the world my friend.

  16. Only 42% ? surprised. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Almost all of them, 100% of them had an amoxicillin tablet sometime or the other. All it takes is one ear infection.

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  17. Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Zorro · · Score: 2

    Ruining their eyes before they are even 10!

    There is a reason for the nearsightedness epidemic and it is mobile internet devices like tablets and cell phones.

    In Seoul 96.5% of 19-year-old men are short-sighted.

    The US is approaching that number.

    1. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Source or GTFO

    2. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. Had to have the ophthalmologist explain this to my Mom when I was a kid too, and she said watching too much TV would ruin my eyes. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    3. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-talk-tv-eyesight/

      If TVs dont do it, tablets dont either.

    4. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Agree with AC to a degree, but I also feel that AC could have done a google instead of being an unhelpful twit: https://www.nature.com/news/th...

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    5. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by budsetr · · Score: 2

      In his defense he said short-sighted. Meaning they are all CEO material!!

    6. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      I also wouldn't be too surprised to hear that genetics is a significant factor; having been raised in a family of technologists (had my own computer from the time I was 8, and had been using them extensively since 5 or 6), I probably logged no less than 40-50% of the screen time of modern kids. I'm 30, and my vision hasn't substantially deteriorated (roughly 20/20, 20/30, and has been since my adolescence), even though my mother had become completely dependent on corrective lenses by this age (actually in her mid-20s, I think).

      Also makes me wonder if display technologies themselves are relevant to this; I grew up with CRTs, and didn't do a majority of my computing on flat screens of any sort until I was effectively an adult.

      Expository history of my monitor usage:

      My main monitor was a 20" cylindrically curved screen from ~2000 until 2005 (prior to that it was usually crusty old 14" bubble screens discarded from my dad's office, but in those days, I rarely need more than 640x480), when I obtained a few decent flat CRTs. Didn't start using LCDs aside from laptops (which probably represent ~30% of my screen time) until 2011. Recently obtained an old Sun (Sony, really) monitor similar to the 20" previously mentioned as I really miss being able to run stuff at 240 Hz (640x480, though it could do over 120 at 1024x768, and even ~68 @1920x1440) without sinking a bunch of money on a modern gaming LCD.

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    7. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Reading the article I linked in the other comment now, it does seem to point strongly towards genetics. We'll get there eventually, I'm sure.

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    8. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Ruining their eyes before they are even 10!

      That's funny.

      I have been hearing this bullshit my entire life. I have been doing all the wrong things for my entire life. The only time my eyes ever became a problem is due to being treated for cancer. The treatment and resulting maintenance drugs gave me cataracts.

      Although once those were blasted away, all is good.

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    9. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by thegreatbob · · Score: 2

      Not a good analogy to draw that conclusion from, unless we're talking about kids squinting at their Sony Watchman or if the tablet is the size of an average television. Viewing distance almost certainly matters, especially when we're getting inside of arms-length territory.

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    10. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely the culprit is a lack of time spent outside, regardless of reason. So reading books is just as bad for your eyes as using a tablet: if it takes away too much outside time, you might become myopic (I'm sure there's a double entente here about how consuming too much mass media makes you myopic in opinion). The erosion of recess is far more of an evil than the proliferation of gadgets.

    11. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Firstly, congrats on (i'm assuming) whipping the cancer. I believe the claim that it directly ruins the eyes to be a bit much, but there are also studies that suggest that significant screen time does have various effects on the developing brain. Improvement of eye-hand coordination associated with video games seems like a plus, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn of other effects associated with vision in the future.

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    12. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by olau · · Score: 1

      Not directly.

      It might be due to lack of natural light, though.

    13. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Actually that South Korean stat was from before the age of tablets and phones. All the studies I read said they stayed inside too much and studied too much... even so far as to conclude that reduced sunlight exposure was the main cause of the nearsightedness.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/k...

      https://naturalon.com/sun-expo...

      https://www.marksdailyapple.co...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    14. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is staring at a tablet screen any different than staring at a book for hours on end?

    15. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your book pages glow with 6000K of pure whiteness?

    16. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if I am reading it under a bright 6000k fluorescent or LED light. Tablets and phones have the ability to adjust screen brightness and color temp to where the emitted light could be just the same as the amount of reflected light off a piece of paper. You might have been able to make some claim against display devices like CRTs, since they do emit a small amount of xrays. The light coming off a modern lcd or oled display is no different than the reflected light off a piece of paper.

    17. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is tons of evidence, I don't know why the debate: kids aren't spending enough time outside. We have the evidence that myopia is correlated with less time spent outside. It's a lack of bright light or lack of LONG visual field that you can't get indoors or SOMETHING that's outside that is good for our eye development. Kids need more recess. Primary school is fucking useless. Are you telling me someone with above average intelligence won't learn their times tables if they take an extra half hour or hour for recess? They won't learn about the American Revolution? They need spelling more than time to play and grow as social beings? Not fucking likely. Kids need time to socialize more than anything, and American schools are completely backwards.

    18. Re:Eye Sight, Destroyed. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      How about comparing tablets to books? I very often had my nose in a book as a child.

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  18. Would the subject should be is... by adosch · · Score: 0

    42% of Americans Under 8 Have a... Digital Device to Do Parenting and Handle Any Amount of Attention for them so they can dabble on their device(s). Shameless, really.

    Reminds me of a Geoff Ryman sci-fi short I just listened to not too long ago about BESTsi doing all-things-parenting because mom was to pre-occupied with her own life.

  19. From the perspective of a parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am a parent and my children use tablets daily. Each child has their own LeapFrog tablet full of educational apps and games. My toddler can count forward and backward from 1-50, understands there's a number zero, can actually count items, can recite the alphabet forward and backward (backward is a bit more difficult), can recognize numbers greater than 10 on signs and products, can draw some letters with varying success with pencil and paper, and a number of other impressive feats such as recognizing animals and dinosaurs by name when out at museums and other locations.

    My older child also saw a large improvement to vocabulary and educational factors when they were first introduced to a LeapFrog tablet.

    I don't say this to brag. I say this because the technology is powerful for parents so long as they harness it for good and supervise it.

    Yes, it can be used as a pacifier, but if it is a pacifier, why can't there be a big upside? Why can't kids learn while being entertained? My older child almost knows more about prehistoric eras and creatures than I do, because they've been provided with the information through apps, games, and educational television shows and documentaries.

    Any technology or advancement becomes what you make it. You can let your childrens' brains rot on mindless cartoons, or you can take advantage of the innumerable educational resources out there and put them in front of your kids' eyes. Make them learn. Learning is the only responsibility a child has, but it's really your responsibility as a child to take them to the water and offer them a drink of it.

    Just like the numbskulls who claim video games make people violent, anyone who discredits technology and childrens' use of it without considering what the children are consuming is a fool. Don't be a fool. Your kids can benefit from early exposure to fun apps.

    I say this as somebody who didn't let their children consume any technology or television in the first year of life because research indicates that exposure too early is also harmful. There's a balance at play here. Once your child begins showing signs of outward intelligence after the first year, that's about the time when it's okay to start introducing tech, nature shows, and educational content that goes beyond toys. Take advantage of the time you have because children's ability to learn diminishes after the age of 6 (their brain growth slows down by quite a bit, so language and other complex learning becomes much more difficult).

    Embrace technology that benefits your children and reject the technology that hurts them. That's plain as day.

  20. From: the glad you caught up to the present dept by zifn4b · · Score: 2

    First, this is now news. Second, could you possibly find a worse source of information on the subject? For example, how about this article from 2013: https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com...?

    Anyone that has a child knows not only that young children regularly use smartphones and tablet but also that school systems are regularly using tablets as educational tools. In fact, the school system my daughter is in requires it and has done so since the 2nd grade. This is not a new thing. This has been going on for several years. My daughter has been playing video games since she was 2 and started using a tablet around 4. By the time my daughter was 3, she was pretty good at Mario Kart for the WII.

    Some other things you might be surprised to know exist: 1) After school clubs for writing video games, 2) After school clubs for building robots, 3) Teachers using mobile apps to teach kids basic programming skills like hopscotch. Young kids soak this stuff up like a sponge and they're going to be running circles around many of the adults that are around now when they become adults.

    This should come as a surprise to no one, especially slashdot. The good paying jobs of the future are largely going to be in the STEM fields. School systems have modified their curriculum accordingly.

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  21. Apologies to John Frink by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    They can't appreciate it on as many levels as I can.

  22. Socially awkward by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    42% of Americans under 8 will grow up to be socially awkward/avoidant/have social anxiety issues because they weren't properly socialized by age 8.

    1. Re:Socially awkward by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by "weren't properly socialized"? When you were 8, did you have 283 Facebook friends? I didn't think so.

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    2. Re:Socially awkward by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You forgot at the end of your comment.

    3. Re:Socially awkward by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Hopefully people will understand it was implied. Comedy is hard these days with so many morans around.

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  23. Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the health effects from the immediate proximity of the table to the child. While it is great that they have a learning and experience tool at their disposal, I.E. YouTube Kids, at what cost does this come.

    2.4 GHz is the same frequency as a microwave oven which is 1000 watts, while the tablet is 1 watt. So in effect, you are slow roasting some part of your body. What does this do to a child's DNA?

    1. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top. Fucking. Keks. It can't be any worse than the damage your DNA would do should you choose to breed.

    2. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.4 GHz is the same frequency as a microwave oven which is 1000 watts, while the tablet is 1 watt

      Derp, and I put out 250 watts on the pedals of my bike on a regular basis, and since my metabolic efficiency is 20%, that means that 1000 watts of the total 1250 watt output is heating up my body. Should I stop riding my bike? Watch out for that scary one watt of power from the tablet transmitter!

    3. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jill Stein, is that you?

      https://www.sciencealert.com/us-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-thinks-wi-fi-is-a-threat-to-children-s-health

    4. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not even close to a watt of power and its not intentionally aimed into a metal box

    5. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Non-ionizing radiation in those amounts might make you warmer - if you hold it really, really close. What would be even worse would be to step outside into sunlight. That's many times more severe. Better stay in the basement.

    6. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      2.4 GHz is the same frequency as a microwave oven which is 1000 watts, while the tablet is 1 watt. So in effect, you are slow roasting some part of your body. What does this do to a child's DNA?

      Nothing. 1 watt at 2.4GHz can't penetrate deep enough to get past the dead layer of skin.

      If you're worried about radiation, you should be far more concerned with the 100W radiation sources scattered throughout your house, operating at far higher and thus more damaging frequencies. They're commonly called "light bulbs".

    7. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you possess the knowledge that 1 watt cannot make it past dead skin? Interesting

      Light bulbs do in fact emit all sort of radiation from visible light to EMF from the power draw, transformers and switching power supplies for CFL and LED. These are not good for you either.

      It may be non-ionizing, but that 1 watt is proven to not just make it past dead skin, but pierce the skin, the skull and cause cancer in the brain where the phone and/or bluetooth device is used.

      1 watt also alter DNA:
      https://www.jasonprall.com/blog/millimeter-wave-scanners-alter-dna/

      You need to think outside the mainstream messaging that all this stuff is safe...

    8. Re:Cancer - I Don't Know Why I Got Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. look, a citation from the respected and peer reviewed jasonprall.com. Let's take a look at his LinkedIn shall we? Title: Longevity and Optimal Health Practitioner Well, that's clearly a respectable medical and research title. Let's go so see what where he did his research and/or residency. Oh...he's got a BS in Mechanical Engineering. He also seems to run a "health" business to assist people "remotely". I can't imagine what his motives would be in making such spurious claims.

      If you need to think "outside the mainstream messaging" then realize that your conclusions won't be validated as factual or, in many cases, plausible, until such time as they've been reviewed (and if they're valid, they WILL BE), at which point, they become...survey says? Mainstream. Fucking. Messaging. If this shit were reality, imagine the metric fuckton of money to be made replacing this equipment, selling ACTUAL medical services, etc. Stop pretended like there's some massive coverup here. If it were true, there'd be WAY more capitalists climbing all over themselves to capitalize on it beyond Jason fucking Prall.

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  24. Re:Makes sence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to mobileread.com to read about ereaders. I use 5 year old Kobo and Sony ereaders.

  25. Wonderland, rabbit holes, etc. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Do I take the red tablet or the blue tablet to get the hell out of here?

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    1. Re:Wonderland, rabbit holes, etc. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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  26. Historical context by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Moses would be so proud.

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  27. Educational Apps/Streamed shows by Aereus · · Score: 1

    Its generally better than TV, however. While kids might have Sesame Street to watch for an hour a day and the rest was regular brainless content, you can load up the tablet with a lot of educational apps to keep them "pacified" today other than just dumping them in front of Netflix. And even if it is Netflix, there are a lot of educational kids shows available on Netflix as well.

  28. not good - books people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When my kids got old enough we canceled cable TV. They get some game time on the phones and moms' ipad and watch some kid tv on dads' laptop but they go to the f&*(ng library and aren't allowed to use the pin to rent a terminal and they can talk world history well beyond their peers (for whom, like their parents, nothing interesting happened before 9/11, Obama or Trump depending ... ) Books are still the best medium for ideas [insert Medium diss here].

    I've lectured adults, who don't have to listen to me of course and usually don't, to stop the OCD Facebook and confirmation bias blog surfing and read something that's longer than a web page.

    I did, except f#$@ng slashdot of course - luckily the comment threads here are generally troll fests these days - and get a lot more done. Stackoverflow and a few to remain nameless popular science aggregators and google news throughout the day to keep track of major disasters and have a cursory knowledge of whatever partisan outrage du jour might come up at work so I can sidestep.

  29. Re:From: the glad you caught up to the present dep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This should come as a surprise to no one, especially slashdot. The good paying jobs of the future are largely going to be in the STEM fields. School systems have modified their curriculum accordingly."

    There is not a tablet in our house, just three phones (mom/dad/house - house phone just for calling/texting mom/dad), one laptop, and one TV (on about 2 hours a week). Our 10-year-old daughter played her first real video game this month. Their only exposure to computers at school is to support classical learning (Accelerated Reader tests, etc) - not for the sake of inserting technology unnecessarily. My life experience tells me that being immersed in technology from a young age is less important for success in a technical field - what's more important is a really good education (reading/writing/math/science/logic/history/ethics/etc). Person with that foundation will be able to graft on technology (or whatever else they want) relatively quickly and successfully.

  30. Probably not quite what it looks like. by Thruen · · Score: 2

    In the last six years, a lot of parents have upgraded their tablets. My sister in law is one of them. She "gave" her old tablet to her son, he's only allowed to use it a few hours a week but for the purpose of this he'd be considered to have his own tablet. So this survey doesn't actually mean a lot.

    That said, letting electronics raise your child is a common practice and not a good thing. It's not new, the tablets are new but personally I grew up watching excessive television and that's really no better. It may even be worse as there's no real interaction with the television. The point is, this survey makes it sound like tablets are causing some new wave of neglectful parenting, but that's not the case at all they're just the new go-to distraction taking the place of the last one. I'm sure before television, there were other things parents would let children do that weren't good for them but got them out of the parents' hair. My thinking is, exposure to any of these things (tablets included) isn't inherently bad, and kids having their own isn't even bad, but anything in the absence of good parenting becomes a bad thing.

  31. drumpfs merikuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this exemplifies everything that is wrong with merkin society.

  32. Re:From: the glad you caught up to the present dep by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    Our 10-year-old daughter played her first real video game this month. Their only exposure to computers at school is to support classical learning (Accelerated Reader tests, etc) - not for the sake of inserting technology unnecessarily. My life experience tells me that being immersed in technology from a young age is less important for success in a technical field - what's more important is a really good education (reading/writing/math/science/logic/history/ethics/etc). Person with that foundation will be able to graft on technology (or whatever else they want) relatively quickly and successfully.

    Then your 10 year old daughter will be behind the curve. My daughter is doing both and tests way above the national average in all disciplines including accelerated readers. I lost count of how many books she's finished. You're an idiot to presume that you can't do it all. That's just an excuse to be mediocre and not get in the game. To each their own. If you want to be a luddite go right ahead. The rest of us will out-compete you for resources.

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  33. No! by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    "No," shout the Vogons, "Resistance is USELESS!"

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  34. Even CableTV apps suck by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Families with young children are now more likely to have a subscription video service such as Netflix or Hulu (72%) than they are to have cable TV (65%).

    That's because cable TV is shit value for the money. It's (generally) tied to a physical location, requires special hardware to record and view at a time convenient to you (which they charge extra for), has a huge amount of really crappy programming, they refuse to make ala-carte channel selection an option, their streaming options (generally) suck, and it's very expensive. $40/month gets you a very basic selection of channels with not a lot of interesting programming and no archive of content to watch.

    In short:
    Hard to time shift
    Hard to location shift
    Expensive
    Crappy assortment of programming
    Wall to wall advertisements
    No archive of content to watch

    Is it really any wonder people are dropping cable?

    Most of the big cable companies have phone apps now. Xfinity has been pushing advertisements for this on me for a while. They also seem to be working on the time shifting.

    That said, most cable channels are terrible value for money.

    I've had Comcast, AT&T and Dish and their apps all suck. It's almost like they're laughing at me for trying to use their stuff. They either under provision or have buggy interfaces to weird data issues like a single dropped packet causing the video to stutter or abort.

    Netflix handles all of this fine. Bandwidth drop-off? it just gets a bit more pixelated, on the fly. Your home internet down? Just tether it to your phone (I have near-unlimited data) My kids don't watch a lot of TV but when they do it's most likely Netflix (added bonus: many Netflix-originals have audio and subtitles in many languages - this is a boon as my kids get to practice their 2nd language).

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  35. Re:From: the glad you caught up to the present dep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh please. Your daughter will be out sucking cock like a Dyson just like all her friends. You forgot high school, old man.

  36. Aw, this is so unfair! by Picodon · · Score: 1

    A whopping 42% of children ages 0-8 have their own tablet device

    WHAT? They do?????
    MOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
    We need to talk NOW!
    (And stop shutting that basement door, dang it!)

  37. Re:From: the glad you caught up to the present dep by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    How expensive are these? If not in an upscale neighborhood I would expect a significant outcry if the public elementary schools demanded that significant extra expense.

  38. Re:From: the glad you caught up to the present dep by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    How expensive are these? If not in an upscale neighborhood I would expect a significant outcry if the public elementary schools demanded that significant extra expense.

    They have a rental program and they make arrangements for folks that are lower income like school lunch programs. It's hardly an upscale neighborhood. I would call it a middle class neighborhood. That's the problem with the educational system. It's only as good as the tax dollars can pay for. Therefore, if you live in a rural area or inner city, you're screwed. I came from a lower class, rural family and I had to work my way out of it. It wasn't easy but I did it.

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  39. Paket Wisata Medan Danau Toba by travelmedanmurah · · Score: 1

    Setibanya di Bandara Polonia, meeting service oleh aulia paket wisata medan danau toba yang diwakili oleh pemandu wisata pengalaman kami dan berwisata singkat ke Maimoon Palace, Istana Sultan Deli, Masjid Agung, salah satu masjid terbesar di Indonesia. Berangkat menuju paket tour medan berastagi danau toba ke Parapat - resor pegunungan dan danau di pantai timur Danau Toba melalui Pematang dengan jeda sejenak di Paten Shop yang terkenal dengan paket tour medan murah terbaik dan berkualitas produk lokalnya yang gurih dari kacang tanah. Kedatangan di Parapat Cek cek di hotel dan acara bebas. Makan malam dan menginap di Parapat. Setelah sarapan pagi di hotel, dengan tim paket tour medan dan paket tour medan kapal pesiar motor di Danau Toba mengunjungi Desa Ambartita untuk melihat kursi batu dan eksekusi yang dilakukan oleh Raja Siallagan di masa lalu. Diikuti ke Desa Tomok untuk melihat batu makam tua Raja Sidabutar. Di pulau samosir ini Anda bisa menemukan tour medan mura, tour danau toba murah banyak toko suvenir dan kerajinan paket wisata danau toba antik Batak dan membeli souvenir dengan harga murah. Sore hari kembali ke hotel di Parapat.

    Sarapan di hotel Lanjutkan ke Brastagi di Dataran Tinggi Karo. Pergilah mengunjungi Istana Raja Kuno Simalungun di Pematang Purba. Hentikan Simarjarunjung untuk menikmati Teh Jahe dan Pisang Goreng (akun pribadi). Berhenti di paket wisata medan danu toba, air terjun sipiso piso yang ramping yang akan memukau Anda dengan pemandangan travel medan indah yang terjun ke Danau Toba dari ketinggian ratusan meter. Tiba di Brastagi berkunjung ke pasar buah travel medan murah, tradisional dan Bukit Gundaling untuk melihat dua gunung berapi yang masih aktif, gunung Sinabung dan gunung Sibayak. check in hotel dan acara bebas.

  40. Stranger danger hysteria by tepples · · Score: 1

    Err....go outside and play with their friends?

    That's dangerous...

    for the parents. Local law enforcement in many places seems to consider playing outside to imply parental neglect. See, for example, "Children spend less time outside than prison inmates", "When 'Stranger Danger' is actually the police and CPS", "#1. Mom Arrested for Letting Children Play Outside", and "#5. Letting Kids Walk Places Alone".

    Still, what between sunset and bedtime?

    1. Re:Stranger danger hysteria by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Seriously?

      Where do they do this?

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    2. Re:Stranger danger hysteria by tepples · · Score: 1

      Following the links I provided produces city names. The second Treehugger article describes an incident in Silver Spring, Maryland. The first Cracked article cites a Yahoo News article that describes an incident in La Porte, Texas. The second Cracked article cites articles that mention incidents in Port St. Lucie, Florida; North Augusta, South Carolina; and Blanchester, Ohio.

    3. Re:Stranger danger hysteria by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      LOL...I actually did after I posted.

      This is slashdot after all, haha

      But man, if that's all true, WOW...i mean...wow.

      I guess my parents, whom I consider to be VERY good, nurturing and caring parents......would have been sentenced to death for how I was raised.

      As a kid, for the most part...if I wasn't home grounded, or doing homework, I was out running wild with my friends having fun. Skateboarding, biking, building ramps to jump, or out in the woods not far from us.

      Hell, during the summer, I was often alone at home while they worked...I just had to call Mom to check in every couple hours when I was young, but as I got older I was out and about on my own, growing up and having fun running around with friends.

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  41. On my tablet by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    You can draw, write, animate, and even start fires with it. No, it's not a Note 7. It's kind of limited on memory, but if the average sheet of paper holds 3500 zeros, at 100 sheets, that's 42.7246 KB of storage. Good thing too, because the RAM sucks...*looks in the mirror. Pen marks on the arm as "Swap" space.*

  42. FTFY by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    "42% of Americans Under 8 Have Their Own Tablet"

    The title should have been:
    42% of American Parents are Morons.

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