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Scientists Find a Better Way To Wash Pesticides Off Your Apples (cnet.com)

According to a new study, the best way to reduce pesticides from your supermarket apple is to use a baking soda solution. The discovery was made by a team of scientists from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. They compared the effectiveness of plain tap water, a commercial bleach solution and a baking soda/water mix in removing pesticides from apples. CNET reports: The scientists started with organic Gala apples and applied the fungicide thiabendazole and the insecticide phosmet before testing the different washing liquids. "The baking soda solution was the most effective at reducing pesticide," a release on the study notes. "After 12 and 15 minutes, 80 percent of the thiabendazole was removed, and 96 percent of the phosmet was removed, respectively." The researchers say the industry-standard approach of washing fruit in a bleach solution for two minutes after harvest is not an effective way to completely remove pesticides. They also found the fungicide thiabendazole penetrated into the apple peel much more than the insecticide. Apple lovers would need to remove the peel to also get rid of the pesticide that wasn't washed off with the baking soda solution. The researchers published the findings this week in the American Chemical Society's Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

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  1. washing removes fecal first by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    yes, the row crews do #2 and keep on picking.

    1. Re:washing removes fecal first by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would seriously like to see the person who climbs a tree to poop on an apple.

    2. Re:washing removes fecal first by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would seriously like to see the person who climbs a tree to poop on an apple.

      No, they just don't come down from the ladder, and then the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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  2. Dose by JBMcB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any ill effects from the pesticide or fungicide in low doses? No? No chronic effects at low doses, either? No bio accumulation?

    Then I don't care.

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    1. Re:Dose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A friend who was a fruit farmer blamed pesticides on his cancer, and years ago started what we now shop as "organic"

    2. Re:Dose by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Meh, I'll just peel apples from now on. I know I don't get as much nutrition but I like my nutrition free of pesticides, herbicides and various other rural pollutants. As for low doses, you know what, I'll be I could punch you in the face every day for the rest of your life and it would not shorten your life one little bit but I can assure that is sound reason to allow someone to punch you in the face ever day for the rest of your life. Poisoning yourself at non-lethal levels, still impacts your life, makes you more unhealthy, makes you suffer longer from infections and generally makes life a whole lot less satisfying, much like getting punched every day for the rest of your life. That it takes so long and another chemical to clean the chemicals off apples, means I will be peeling apples for the rest of my life unless they a reliably certified organic, punch yourself in the face as much as you want, I will not be joining you.

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    3. Re:Dose by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The old adage still holds true: The dose makes the poison.

      These days we have a slew of jokers who failed high school chemistry and never had the brains for anything like organic chemistry in college, and these folks run around freaking out that you might get a few micrograms of a harmless pesticide or fungicide, whereas eating a slightly moldy spot in an apple probably gives you a much larger dose of cytotoxins, and insect penetration of fruit often leads to bacterial contamination, sometimes with something serious like salmonella or E. coil that can kill you.

      But no, they rant against the harmless pesticides and fungicide out of complete ignorance... We need a law against public health statements by people without having the proper education in chemistry and biology (for both sides of the argument). Less hysteria, more science.

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    4. Re:Dose by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Exactly what nutrients are you losing by peeling the apple?

      You lose very little. It is a myth that the nutrients are concentrated in the peel. So peel guilt free. Or even better, just don't eat apples. Nutritionally, they are one of the worst fruits. Peaches, pears, cherries, watermelon, oranges, bananas, and even tomatoes or bell peppers, have far more good stuff in them.

    5. Re:Dose by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I certainly don't care enough to try washing my Apples in a commercial bleach solution.

      This research is not aimed at consumers. It is aimed at fruit processors. They currently wash with a bleach solution, partly to remove chemicals, but mostly to kill bacteria such as salmonella, before shipping the fruit to the grocery store.

    6. Re:Dose by dwywit · · Score: 4, Informative

      Phosmet, as used in the experiment, is an organophosphate compound.

      This from wikipedia:
      "Even at relatively low levels, organophosphates may be hazardous to human health. The pesticides act on acetylcholinesterase,[14] an enzyme found in the brain chemicals closely related to those involved in ADHD, thus fetuses and young children, where brain development depends on a strict sequence of biological events, may be most at risk.[15] They can be absorbed through the lungs or skin or by eating them on food. According to a 2008 report from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, âdetectableâ traces of organophosphate were found in a representative sample of produce tested by the agency, 28% of frozen blueberries, 20% of celery, 27% of green beans, 17% of peaches, 8% of broccoli, and 25% of strawberries.[16]"

      So tell me please, what's your "evidence that shows it doesn't". I'd really like to know.

      And, just a bit of insight here - we evolved alongside most/all of the foods "that can be poisonous at certain levels". That's one of the reasons we evolved, i.e. we learned not to eat too much of those foods. We have *not* evolved alongside many, if not all of the synthetic compounds commonly used as biocides in agriculture, so we don't know the effects of long-term exposure - not just one or two generations, but centuries of low-level exposure.

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  3. Power washer by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I use a power washer. Sometimes a sandblaster for really tough pesticides.

  4. This is excellent. by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I imagine the baking soda would be safer and cheaper for cleaning produce than a bleach solution.

    1. Re: This is excellent. by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bleach solution is per FDA requirements more dilute than lots of tap water. The primary reason is not to remove any chemicals but to prevent common bugs and harmful microbes from remaining on the fruit.

      The other problem with this âoetestâ is that organic apples are sprayed with more chemicals than regular apples, worse yet, organic farming has zero oversight on the chemicals they spray as long as the chemicals are considered âoecertified organicâ

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  5. Science! by stolidobserver · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wash the pesticide from your apple using plastic fragment laden, pharmaceutical heavy, illicit drug infested tap water! The solution was right there in front of us the entire time!

  6. Re:Soak apple in baking soda solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The baking soda mix is indeed a solution, as the inorganic compound dissolves completely in water.

  7. Methodology does not represent real life by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The study started with organic, pesticide-free apples. The researchers sprayed the pesticides on the apples, then washed them off with the various solutions.

    This method does not really mimic real life, where pesticides are sprayed on plants repeatedly over periods of weeks or months. In real life, some of the pesticides would soak into the apples, where it wouldn't be possible to wash them off using ANY solution.

    1. Re: Methodology does not represent real life by guruevi · · Score: 2

      It also presumes that organic produce does not have pesticides which a single trip to a farm supply store will prove wrong.

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  8. Even Better Method by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buy apple without poison on them. Yes I know, the organic apples are more expensive and some people have the odassity to sell you apples with spots (not that they taste worse, often they taste better). And yes if all would do that, you could not have large monocultures anymore making the apples more expensive. Still you do not have to eat poison and maybe we have a chance to get our insects back, which could increase the yield.

    1. Re: Even Better Method by prefec2 · · Score: 2

      Organic farming in the US and EU is farming that only uses âoecertified organicâ pesticides.

      There is not such thing as an "certified organic pesticides". What should that be? Or are you talking about Copperhydroxid, Azadirachtin, Bacillus thuringiensis, etc. which are biodegradable, are already present in nature, and are very specific in their properties. Whereas Glyphosate (herbicide) and other chemicals, e.g., carbamates, are usually much more dangerous and are sprayed on crops. While you do not find pesticides and herbicides on your organic apple (if it is not be transported from the neighbor).

      Have a look: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal...

    2. Re: Even Better Method by pi_rules · · Score: 2

      There is not such thing as an "certified organic pesticides".

      Completely false. OMRI is the group that certifies them in the US. https://www.omri.org/

  9. Here's a list for you. Organic more poisonous by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm afraid the marketing has tricked you.
    EU organic regulations are that the pesticides must be of natural (impure) origin rather than being produced synthetically (and more pure). Safer pesticides which aren't readily available from natural sources aren't allowed, so organic farms must use the following more dangerous pesticides.

    Here are some pesticides used in organic agriculture, with their median lethal doses:

    Copper(II) sulfate is used as a fungicide and is also used in conventional agriculture (LD50 300 mg/kg). Conventional agriculture has the option to use the less toxic Mancozeb (LD50 4,500 to 11,200 mg/kg)
    Boric acid is used as stomach poison that target insects (LD50: 2660 mg/kg).
    Pyrethrin comes from chemicals extracted from flowers of the genus Pyrethrum (LD50 of 370 mg/kg). Its potent toxicity is used to control insects.
    Lime sulphur (aka calcium polysulfide) and sulfur are considered to be allowed, synthetic materials[177] (LD50: 820 mg/kg)
    Rotenone is a powerful insecticide that was used to control insects (LD50: 132 mg/kg). Despite the high toxicity of Rotenone to aquatic life and some links to Parkinson disease the compound is still allowed in organic farming as it is a naturally occurring compound.[178]
    Bromomethane is a gas that is still used in the nurseries of Strawberry organic farming[179]
    Azadirachtin is a wide spectrum very potent insecticide. Almost non toxic to mammals (LD50 in rats is > 3,540 mg/kg) but affects beneficial insects.

    1. Re:Here's a list for you. Organic more poisonous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Boric acid is pretty harmless to humans, but it really kills insects. My grandma used to put it in our eyes as a gentle antiseptic. I still add it to absolutely every load of laundry I do, since it lowers the surface tension of water and saves on detergent, while also deodorizing synthetic fabrics. You can buy it in most discount or drug stores, sold as "Borax" and the most common brand is 20 Mule Team which has been around forever. If you've ever developed your own photographic film, you'll also know boric acid as "fixer."

  10. Population studies vs self diagnosis by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    A friend who was a fruit farmer blamed pesticides on his cancer, and years ago started what we now shop as "organic"

    Problem with your friend's logic is that he (she?) has a sample size of one. While it's not unreasonable that pesticides could have played a role, it's impossible to determine the likelihood of pesticides as a cause without some form of population study. We know that smoking causes cancer because we have population studies so that we can confidently say what the increased risk is and that there is a clear causal (and correlated) link. While it wouldn't be surprising at all if pesticides resulted in cancer, if there aren't properly scientific population studies then it is little more than an educated guess which should be frustrating to all of us.

    The whole organic movement is based on this misapprehension. The idea of organics is logical. Less exposure to toxic stuff logically should in principle correlate with improved health. Good idea. Problem has been that it has turned out to be really hard to pin down any actual measurable health benefit from organic foods. All evidence seems to indicate there is no nutrition advantage and so far it's unclear if there are any meaningful secondary health benefits. Some companies have realized economic benefits but it's not (yet) clear if organic foods really result in better health for consumers. As logical as the idea of organics is, sometimes what seems logical doesn't actually result in the expected outcome. I'm not arguing that eating organic foods is a bad idea (I think it's very reasonable if you can afford it) as long as you understand that there isn't (yet) any clear evidence that it results in better outcomes.

  11. Proper research and evidence by sjbe · · Score: 2

    "Even at relatively low levels, organophosphates may be hazardous to human health.

    This is an unsupported an meaningless statement even if it ultimately is actually true. There are lots of things that MAY be hazardous to our health. That doesn't equal evidence that they ARE actually hazardous. The entire reason we do scientific studies is to figure out if there is a causal relationship. We know cigarettes are hazardous to your health because we've done the work to figure it out. While there is nothing wrong with avoiding a possible hazard (like pesticides) out of an abundance of caution, it's important to understand what constitutes solid evidence. You have to demonstrate that there is a strong correlation between exposure and negative health outcomes while controlling for other factors.

    The pesticides act on acetylcholinesterase,[14] an enzyme found in the brain chemicals closely related to those involved in ADHD, thus fetuses and young children, where brain development depends on a strict sequence of biological events, may be most at risk.

    Several problems here. First off, Wikipedia is NOT a good place to cite "evidence" relating to scientific health studies. Second, that statement implies a relationship but doesn't actually show one. The fact that one group of chemicals can in principle affect another group of chemicals does not equal a causal chain in vivo. That sentence is carefully constructed to imply a negative relationship without actually going to the bother of actually needing to demonstrate one. Its a statement of fear, not of evidence and it certainly doesn't demonstrate even a correlation much less a causation between pesticides and ADHD. Third, ADHD is a disorder whose causes are NOT well understood nor is it easily diagnosed. You really couldn't have picked a worse example to support your case.