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Everything New In the Android 8.1 Oreo Developer Preview (theverge.com)

On Wednesday, Google launched the Android 8.1 Developer Preview. The new version of Android is available for Pixel and Nexus devices, and features a number of under-the-hood changes. The new version tests another change to notifications in which apps can only make a notification sound alert once per second. It also contains an Easter egg: the Android Oreo logo now looks like an actual cookie. The Verge reports that 8.1 is eventually supposed to activate the hidden Pixel Visual Core system-on-a-chip, which aims to make image processing smoother and HDR+ available to third-party developers.

42 comments

  1. Easter Egg by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    What we really need is a feature to make my Pixel XL *TASTE* like an actual cookie.

    1. Re:Easter Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it taste like at the moment?

    2. Re: Easter Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just how much of a fanboy do you have to be to give a shit about the logo?

      Give me a mobile OS that doesnâ(TM)t spy on my everything, and doesnâ(TM)t run like shit, isnâ(TM)t a security shit show, and actually gets updates unless you buy the blessed few devices where the vendor sees a customer and not a one-time transaction.

      How about that, Google?

  2. Cheapest platform for Android development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the Fire HD 10 tablet still the cheapest platform to develop Android on?

    1. Re:Cheapest platform for Android development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It runs FireOS you know:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_OS#List_of_Fire_OS_versions

    2. Re:Cheapest platform for Android development... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And you can develop Android-compatible apps on it. Because it's a continuous fork of Android with customizations. I don't see them diverging FireOS from Android any further anytime soon because that is a lot more work for Amazon.

    3. Re: Cheapest platform for Android development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire OS is a fork of lollipop

    4. Re: Cheapest platform for Android development... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      They are at android 7.0 as of October per the Wikipedia

  3. Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    I'm stuck at 7.1.2 until Project Fi releases the new version (or I force install the factory image and erase everything on my phone). At this rate, Motorola phones may start getting Oreo before all of Google's supported models have it!

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    1. Re:Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad I only use custom ROMs. I always have access to the newest versions.

    2. Re:Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stick with 7.1.2
      8.0 breaks Bluetooth on the Nexus 6P. I have to re-pair my headphones every time I use them.

    3. Re: Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got 8.0 OTA on my 6P a month ago. Bluetooth worked without issue.
      *shrugs*

    4. Re:Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

      Stick with 7.1.2 - everything is super laggy on my Nexus 5x. It takes more than double the time to switch between already open apps. I tried to open email and a google doc at the same time the other day and was able get back to my desk (a 2 min walk) before both would open... horrible.

    5. Re:Still waiting for 8.0 on my Nexus 6P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly if you're running Android 6 or 7 already, there is very little reason to go for 8. The last major upgrade for Android was v6.0, everything after has been incremental stuff that you can already do with third party software or custom ROMs.

  4. walled garden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Google closing the gates to its walled garden, it assured that I would not buy any new Android phones after Android 6. For my next phone I'm gonna pony up and buy one with a pure full GNU Linux distro. I'm not rich, but fuck this squeezing-the-consumer trend.

    1. Re:walled garden by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Alphabet is an abhorrent corporation and they are far worse than Microsoft, IBM and SCO combined.

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    2. Re:walled garden by Tim+Locke · · Score: 1

      Did you forget Oracle, or do you consider them, combined with the others, to be worse than Alphabet?

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    3. Re:walled garden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Larry Ellison by himself is worse than Google (I refuse to call it "Alphabet").

      Still, Microsoft has them beat. Satay Nutella is a far worse human being than Ellison.

  5. is Android an operating system yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all these ishtar egg distractions, not enough legal talk about computer hatdware I own but held ransom by bad software.

  6. All fine and good... but... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Why haven't we seen any really cool deal breaking features that would make us want to ditch iOS and switch to Android? For the most part Android and iOS have been just playing off each other, one will make a feature the other will incorporate it in the next version and vice versa.

    10 years ago when Apple released the iPhone, it really had shaken the market up. It even forced Android to redesign its OS, hence giving Apple nearly a 2 year advantage, as competitor were in a mad rush to change their designs. Apple has gotten rather complacent. While the new iPhone X is a state of the art phone, in terms of processing power, however overall as a usefulness of a device it is on par with Samsung Galaxy and the Google Pixel, which have some additional cool features.

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    1. Re:All fine and good... but... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      On another post here, Android has this incredible feature of actually calculating 6 when you type 1+2+3! iOS doesn't have that feature yet, apparently...

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    2. Re: All fine and good... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it spies in real time in order to do grade school math. What a feature!

    3. Re:All fine and good... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why haven't we seen any really cool deal breaking features that would make us want to ditch iOS and switch to Android?

      If being able to keep your WiFi active while the screen is off isn't enough, what is?

    4. Re: All fine and good... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple represents to its customers that it fights for their privacy, and then secretly works with the government to open iPhones when the government wants. That's a helpful feature that I haven't seen demonstrated in Android yet.

  7. Samsung phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at others' screenshots is the closest I'll ever get to that update.

  8. Bluetoot audio still broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Updated last night on my Pixel XL, Bluetooth audio is still broken.

  9. That doesn't mean what you think it means BeauZo by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    "It also contains an Easter egg: the Android Oreo logo now looks like an actual cookie."

    If the logo looked like an actual Easter Egg, that still wouldn't be an Easter Egg, unless it was hidden somehow, such as if it only looked like an actual cookie if the system clock was changed to the date of release of the Oreo cookie (or the Android Oreo release date, etc.).

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  10. Re: That doesn't mean what you think it means Beau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an Easter Egg for me since it's hidden on my Nexus 5. But that's mainly because Android 8.1 won't even run on my Nexus 5.

  11. Here are some things I'd like to see by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    How about:

    - Proper GNU utilities instead of whatever *box flavour they've used in the past
    - Collaboration with the xposed team
    - Package pinning
    - Official Magisk/SuperSU support
    - Toggle switch for Doze
    - Safetynet override
    - Proper SD/local storage volume management
    - Renewed committment to community development
    - Proper OS-level package management and forced integrator acceptance of Google security patches for continued access to the Play Store
    - Outlawing (forced) locked bootloaders on new devices in exchange for access to the Play Store

    These changes would ensure their continued dominance as a platform, as us powerusers/developers would have little desire to seek alternatives.

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    1. Re:Here are some things I'd like to see by Lanthanide · · Score: 2

      Lol, as if "power users" make up any more than 0.1% of the user base. Similarly I'm sure that 90% of developers don't *need* what you're pining for either.

    2. Re:Here are some things I'd like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I interface with a car in one of my apps, using BLE and don't need any of that stuff for something like an intelligent speed limiter.

    3. Re:Here are some things I'd like to see by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You forgot a pony, and a kitchen sink.

      These changes would ensure their continued dominance as a platform, as us powerusers/developers would have little desire to seek alternatives.

      You really have no idea about the market for mobile devices at all do you.

    4. Re:Here are some things I'd like to see by Kjella · · Score: 1

      - Proper GNU utilities instead of whatever *box flavour they've used in the past

      Sure, right after the FSF re-license them as Apache 2.0, as in when hell freezes over. So I'll just skip to the conclusion.

      These changes would ensure their continued dominance as a platform, as us powerusers/developers would have little desire to seek alternatives.

      1. The premise doesn't support the conclusion, the mass market follows the shiny
      2. Most heavy cell phone users != power users, just social media addicts
      3. What alternatives? Seriously. There's Android, iPhone, AOSP and *crickets*...

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  12. Notification period by pthisis · · Score: 1

    "The new version tests another change to notifications in which apps can only make a notification sound alert once per second."

    This is definitely a minor thing, but once you've started looking at it should be a lot more limited. A configurable time would be ideal, but if you want to make it a sensible default it should be more like one sound alert every 10 minutes unless you've looked at a notification in between--if you're actually checking messages as they come in you'll still get all the defaults, but you won't have to silence 5 in a row if you're busy or don't care about them.

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  13. CopperheadOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try CopperheadOS, which is an extremely secure fork of Android.

    It has some downsides. The F-Droid Repository is used instead of Google Play, and while that is great for security it also means there will be a lot of apps you will not be able to run. Then again, it is not a good idea to download a bunch of random bloat apps on a phone, anyway. If you run a lean UI and only use apps you really need, and prioritize security, CopperheadOS is probably the best option.

    It is also expanding, so I anticipate it will keep getting better. They need to find a way to monetize like Canonical did with Ubuntu. The answer is probably enterprise accounts and support. They should go through YCombinator or TechStars, raise some money, hire a VP of Sales, and build a revenue model around enterprise support contracts. Some of the profits will go back into R&D and the OS will scale.

  14. GNU/Linux phones by DrYak · · Score: 2

    For my next phone I'm gonna pony up and buy one with a pure full GNU Linux distro.

    The problem is that there aren't many thing on the market yet.

    Best contenders are :

    • Jolla they are the former Nokia engineers that used to work the Maemo/Meego system for Nokia'sr N800 / N900 / N9 series of phones until the whole Elop/Microsoft disaster shit-show happened.
      Now they are making Sailfish OS which is a continuation of the same development (but have now renamed the core from Meego to mer).
      They used to have some inhouse hardware (Jolla 1 Phone) then some manufacturer failure (Jolla Tablet), then some third party partner ship (Jolla C / Intex Aquasih). Their latest product is Sailfish X, done in partnership with Sony Open Devices, to Install Sailfish X on Sony Xperia X (single SIM version [the dual sim version isn't officially supported, but according to forum it works too), *not SIM-locked only* [SIM-locked phone cannot have their bootloader unlocked]). It's still an early beta, but if you're patient and willing to through the first few months of bugs, it might be worth giving it a try
      it's a full blown GNU/Linux under the hood, using modern features like Wayland, Systemd, etc. using RPM repositories for software distribution and significative developper community.
      Darbacks for your specific target is that to make deployment on smartphone easier, it does rely on same (closed source) drivers that the chipset manufacturer provide for smartphone (using an adaptation layer called libhybris), so you still have manufacturer blobs, and some bits of the infeface still aren't under a copy-left license yet (but Jolla plans to, and in the main time the source is visible any way, as the interface is mostly QML and Javascript anyway. With lots of patches available in the communities too)
    • Purism has successfully crowdfunded their librem 5 smartphone.
      Good news is that they plan to develop a 100% pure Linux opensource phone with no blobs (partly by selecting chip with 100% opensource support, and partly by isolating problematic chips like baseband modem into separate chips that only communicate with the main chipset over a standard protocole - there's no "baseband modem actually serving as the chipset's northbridge" as in Qualcomm)
      the drawbacks are that it's still in development (obviously), and that it uses a chipset that is either completely antique (currently their test are done on Freescale i.MX6, because that the only one with 100% opensource drivers supported by upstream kernel) or might be less exciting than other phone (they hope to be able to shift to FreeScale i.MX 8 as opensource support improves).
      they plan pure linux interfaces, mostly gnome and KDE Plasma Active (yet another QML-based interface).
    • Samsung is doing Tizen, which is a distant cousin of the Meego/Maemo family. But I don't know how much there is an active community

    And I think that's about all currently active project of GNU/Linux phones, now that Ubuntu Touch has dropped the ball.

    (Also, not interesting for you, but Sailfish OS, on their official commercial product support a proprietary compatibility layer - Alien-Dalvik by Myriad - that enables Android Apps (though currently only at 4.4 KitKat level).
    Purism has promised to consider some container based solution (andbox -based, perhaps ?) to bring compatibility to Android Apps.
    Tizen can download from their application store OpenMobile's Application Compatibility Layer.

    So none of these will suffer from "not part of a big app ecosystem" networking effect)

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  15. Even iPhone depends by DrYak · · Score: 2

    10 years ago when Apple released the iPhone, it really had shaken the market up.

    Well, depends on your point of reference.

    By comparison of common feature phone of the era : Yes it was revolutionary.

    By comparison of what PDAs have been doing for the past few decades, starting from Psion, PalmOS, etc.. : The iPhone was just "meh..."

    It was just a bit more modern than the then current iterations of PalmOS that started to show their age. And it was just a little bit less sucky then Microsoft's usual Windows bullshit. On the hand iOS completely lacked any 3rd party apps support, whereas the main competitors back then had vibrant communities of 3rd party developers and apps markets.

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    1. Re:Even iPhone depends by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Palm had a smart phone that ran Palm OS, and still the iPhone threw them back to the drawing board to make the failed WebOS.
      Multi-touch was the key. Before multi-touch was just a fun little gizmo, what Microsoft called its surface technology, was meant to be big screens on tables to replace desktop usage. PDA Makers at the time, didn't think that multi-touch was worth it, because the small screen interacting with many fingers seemed silly, because they were still thinking in terms of buttons. Or screen buttons. You click the up and down arrow, or drag the scroll indicator, not swipe on the document. On screen keyboards were basically useless because they needed laser like precision thus a stylus was needed.

      Granted the original iPhone didn't have Apps, but the fact it used a HTML5 Complaint browser allowed for it to really take hold.

      I had a Palm pilot, and I think I still have it somewhere gathering dust, because it was just a toy, I was afraid to get an iPhone because I was worried it would be just a toy too. Then circumstances came up where I got one, and I had found it was much handier then the PDA ever were, and I realized that the technology actually changed things.

      Apples strength isn't in giving the newest technology, but implementing in a way that it becomes very useful. Critics of Apple will always point out that their popular features have been around in some form or another however Apple tends to put them in a way that such features are core to the usage and not just a cheap gizmo on the device.

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  16. No one really cares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because no one has the hardware, won't get the update, will only be on the latest and greatest, and only Google approved will get the fully accelerated and enabled version.

    I still have devices running KitKat whose hardware could easily largely handle the latest OS. I can't even get security updates, because of the braindead contractual agreements Google has with hardware manufacturers. Google yielded to the disposable device market, and some people just are tired of, don't have the money for, or it's good enough not to upgrade, and upgrade, and upgrade...

  17. Makes me pumped about 2nd quarter 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I've got something cool to look forward to in 2nd to 3rd quarter 2018 when Verizon/Samsung release this for the S8.

  18. Once per second by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    I always found it comical after driving into the outback for a week without WiFi or mobile reception, when coming back to the real world I would suddenly hit a tower and my phone would go mental giving the Facebook notification sound over and over again in such rapid succession that each sound cut off the previous one.

    When I first thought about this I figured there should be a priority based system where each app only triggers a notification sound once per priority level and not at all if the same or a higher priority message comes through.