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Hewlett-Packard Historical Archive Destroyed In California Fires (pressdemocrat.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Press Democrat: When deadly flames incinerated hundreds of homes in Santa Rosa's Fountaingrove neighborhood earlier this month, they also destroyed irreplaceable papers and correspondence held nearby and once belonging to the founders of Silicon Valley's first technology company, Hewlett-Packard. The Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David Packard, the tech pioneers who in 1938 formed an electronics company in a Palo Alto garage with $538 in cash. More than 100 boxes of the two men's writings, correspondence, speeches and other items were contained in one of two modular buildings that burned to the ground at the Fountaingrove headquarters of Keysight Technologies. Keysight, the world's largest electronics measurement company, traces its roots to HP and acquired the archives in 2014 when its business was split from Agilent Technologies -- itself an HP spinoff.

The Hewlett and Packard collections had been appraised in 2005 at nearly $2 million and were part of a wider company archive valued at $3.3 million. However, those acquainted with the archives and the pioneering company's impact on the technology world said the losses can't be represented by a dollar figure... Karen Lewis, the former HP staff archivist who first assembled the collections, called it irresponsible to put them in a building without proper protection. Both Hewlett-Packard and Agilent earlier had housed the archives within special vaults inside permanent facilities, complete with foam fire retardant and other safeguards, she said. "This could easily have been prevented, and it's a huge loss," Lewis said.

Lewis has described the collection as "the history of Silicon Valley ... This is the history of the electronics industry." Keysight Technologies spokesman Jeff Weber said the company "is saddened by the loss of documents that remind us of our visionary founders, rich history and lineage to the original Silicon Valley startup."

23 Californians were killed in the fires, which also destroyed 6,800 homes, and Weber says Keysight had taken "appropriate and responsible" steps to protect the archive, but "the most destructive firestorm in state history prevented efforts to protect portions of the collection."

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  1. Real value: $0. by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While these were locked up so that only a very small number of people could see them, their value was effectively zero.

    Archives only have value when they can be studied. Lock them away and they are useless.

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    1. Re:Real value: $0. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, but you're forgetting that they have whatever value they can convince the insurance company that they had. Admitting that the archives were useful only for seriously obsessed historians would lead to a payout of much less than $3.3 million.

    2. Re:Real value: $0. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they where of serious value, they would have to be stored properly.

      ...or already digitized.

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    3. Re:Real value: $0. by drew_kime · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they where of serious value, they would have to be stored properly.

      ...or already digitized.

      Yes, that. Could no one at HP put their hands on a decent flatbed scanner?

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    4. Re: Real value: $0. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      HP employees are probably not allowed to buy Epson or Cannon scanners.

    5. Re: Real value: $0. by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      ....or if you are really serious about scanning some docs perhaps a Brother or Fijitsu

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    6. Re:Real value: $0. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Could no one at HP put their hands on a decent flatbed scanner?

      The problem was they they couldn't afford the ink.

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  2. Hmm... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So important and valuable that nobody ever thought to scan them into Google Drive? And they weren't accessible either? These probably did contain interesting historical data, and it really sucks that they're gone, but what did we (the public) lose? We never had anything to begin with :/

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    1. Re:Hmm... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are addressing the wrong problem. Storing the data is not the problem. Scanning it is. Loading thousands or millions of pages into a scanner is a mostly manual process. Who is going to pay for that? Not me.

      If scanning a page takes a second, and you are paying $10/hr, then scanning a million pages would cost $2800.

      If each page is a megabyte, then a million pages would be a terabyte, which costs less than $20.

      Scanning is a hundred times as expensive as storing.

    2. Re:Hmm... by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are addressing the wrong problem. Storing the data is not the problem. Scanning it is. Loading thousands or millions of pages into a scanner is a mostly manual process. Who is going to pay for that? Not me.

      Scanning isn't a problem, not a problem at all. When I was out in AB a few years ago on vacation I got bored and digitized a towns historical records, council meetings, town liens, etc. There was around 80 years worth of the stuff, upwards of 140k pages worth of documents. With the in-office photocopier, I got all that done in around 2 weeks. Most of the pages were in a non-standard format as well usually 9x14" or 8.5x20" sheets. The only real problems were with odd-ball sized stuff like 2.5x11" stuff which had to be manually scanned otherwise it would jam the machine. Final payout was just under $7k for my time and effort. Even at that, everything could be stored on a single 60GB flash drive.

      There was a big push out in western canada to do this a few years ago after the wildfires that wiped out several towns and cities. It's absolutely doable and has been for years. They just didn't want to layout the money to do it and now they can enjoy the fruits of their inaction.

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    3. Re: Hmm... by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      Supposedly, the collection was worth a few million. It's hard to imagine whoever owned the thing couldn't have put up a few thousand dollars to digitize them. Crowdfunding might even work on something like this.

    4. Re:Hmm... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If scanning a page takes a second, and you are paying $10/hr, then scanning a million pages would cost $2800.

      I think you overestimate the cost of automated bulk scanning.
      Even so..... $2800 is miniscule compared to the cost to store and preserve a million physical pages indefinitely, which is approximately 10,000 pounds of paper. And ~30,000 cubic feet or 200 of those 10-ream boxes worth of paper to deal with, that has to be kept in a manner to safely preserve the content -- meaning moisture control, temperature control, and security.

      This would more than fill an average sized office, or take out a good sized chunk of a warehouse or dedicated large-scale storage area, So
          $2800 is probably a drop in the bucket compared to the rent for this much storage area.......

    5. Re:Hmm... by jabuzz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Perhaps someone has come up with a device that automates the whole process. Insert book into machine and it turns the pages and scans them all at the same time.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Oh look they have. So scanning a book is no more time consuming that scanning a stack of loose leaf pages then.

  3. Apparently they didn't have much real value at all by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boxes of unsorted papers piled into a bin at a storage facility don't have much value at all (other than as fire starter, which function they apparently did indeed fulfill.)

    If they were real archives they would be kept somewhere that they could be indexed and studied. Papers would be scanned and put online for scholars to view.

    Boxes in a garage (or garage equivalent)? Meh.

    They suddenly become valuable to someone in hindsight. Sure it is. Just like the kids comic book collection that Mom threw out after telling him to clean up his room fifty times over the course of the previous week. If it's valuable, look after it. Otherwise, it ain't.

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  4. Priceless Irony. by geekmux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, it's 2017.

    Previously valued at $2 million, but were apparently priceless artifacts related to a company known for making some of the best printers in the world.

    Did anybody bother to fucking scan them?

    If not, I assume it was a flood of irony that helped put out flames of raging stupidity.

  5. I blame Carly Fiorina by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 4, Funny

    She wasn't satisfied ruining everything great about the company's past, she wanted to wipe all record of it too.

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  6. Re:So many stupid posts here by Jzanu · · Score: 2

    Language and communication for knowledge transfer is what that truly differentiates humans from animals; especially with writing and reading developed to save knowledge for future use. You should be fine with getting a lobotomy if you don't understand that, and otherwise you're a damn troll. Understanding how a major successful company forms and survives provides information that informs business research and management practice. That is the narrow application. Larger contexts apply for the now unknowable insights it contained. Loss of knowledge is a loss for humanity.

  7. the HP Way went up in smoke long ago by swschrad · · Score: 2

    and now it's history has, too.

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  8. Forget DECENT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    HP had an entire Printer test division. I assume at least some of that involved flatbed scanner checks as well (once they started doing the combo printers which should have been the early '00s.)

    Meaning they could have been doing this before all the spinoffs as a fucking *SCANNER TEST PROJECT* in between calibration scan pages.

    But instead we lost what might or might not have been an important part of Silicon Valley history because people couldn't be arsed to scan it in while it was still corporeal!

    While we're on the subject, go check out bitsavers.org and maybe send an email thanking them for all their service. They've been grabbing every copy of every tech manual they can salvage, scrounge, get donated, etc to make pdfs of almost every facet of (mostly american) computer technology from the univac up to the mid 90s. In 50 years this might be one of a half dozen electronic collections that actually preserved the majority of the tech side of things, and god only knows what will be left of the business/personal side.

  9. No digital copy by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is worth 2 million USD and nobody thought about making a digital copy? Or perhaps the 2 million figure is just for insurance company?

  10. Another Priceless Treasure by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

    Also destroyed was the home and museum of "Peanuts" cartoonist Charles Schultz.

  11. No backups, why would there be? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Suppose there actually WHERE copies or backups or whatever and Keysight Technologies simply want everyone to think the stuff is gone? And why would they do that?

    Well, it depends on what kind of agreement they have with Agilent Technologies or HP about who gets paid what and owns what if Keysight finds anything interesting in those files.

    And now who's to say now where Keysight got their ideas that fall into the areas of interest in Mr. Hewlett and Mr. Packard's personal notes and assorted ephemera, when there's no way to check the stuff that burned up with no backups?

    Yes, of course no one made backups of material that was valuble enough to be negotiated for because of some perceived value of the content when Keysigh split off from Agilent... Of course not.

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  12. Very allegoric by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pretty much in line with HP's protracted death.

  13. Re:I don't get your joke. Ink for a scanner?!? by drew_kime · · Score: 2

    Who the fuck modded this funny?

    Someone who got the joke.

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