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Russia Hackers Had Targets Worldwide, Beyond US Election (apnews.com)
Raphael Satter, Jeff Donn, and Justin Myers, reporting for Associated Press: The hackers who disrupted the U.S. presidential election had ambitions well beyond Hillary Clinton's campaign, targeting the emails of Ukrainian officers, Russian opposition figures, U.S. defense contractors and thousands of others of interest to the Kremlin, according to a previously unpublished digital hit list obtained by The Associated Press. The list provides the most detailed forensic evidence yet of the close alignment between the hackers and the Russian government, exposing an operation that stretched back years and tried to break into the inboxes of 4,700 Gmail users across the globe -- from the pope's representative in Kiev to the punk band Pussy Riot in Moscow. "It's a wish list of who you'd want to target to further Russian interests," said Keir Giles, director of the Conflict Studies Research Center in Cambridge, England, and one of five outside experts who reviewed the AP's findings. He said the data was "a master list of individuals whom Russia would like to spy on, embarrass, discredit or silence."
A broad Russian strategy rather than targeting US election specifically.
Donald Trump is subservient to Vladimir Putin, and colludes with his cyberattacks on our country while stopping us from acknowledging or defending ourselves against these attacks.
This is stone cold treason, and it's time for us to stand up against Russia in the United States, and anywhere else that traitors collude with Russia to harm their own country
Fun fact - All of Paul Manafort's clients have fled their countries in disgrace when their treason and corruption are discovered by their populace.
The KGB and Kremlin have been doing this forever. For the most part, we took control of the media in the sense that no foreign adversaries were able to poke through on a large scale.
With the advent of the internet, all the walls were dropped and they were able to ramp up.
Nothing has changed about their strategy other then its now digital.
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You people have found the best diversion ever away from from our own corruption. This kind of crap dooms us to another four years and beyond of Trump/Clinton and worse. Oh believe me, you will make things worse! Lucky for me I'm old. Damn all of you! You were supposed to be better and smarter than the bald headed old farts that sent us to Vietnam!
So the russians disrupted the election? that's news to me. Slashdot has become the biggest piece of garbage masquerading as a tech web site since time began.
This may be the last article i read here...
Or not.
One thing that's changed is the we've never had a President strenuously collude with Russia's attacks on our country.
Donald Trump magnified Russia's attack on America by publicly praising it, while denying that it was Russia's doing, even though court documents now show that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia's cyberattacks on America.
Not because she is the corrupt old cunt that she is.
Every patriotic American should stand up for their country when it's attacked by a hostile foreign adversary and the traitors who collude with it.
From Twitter's testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee (page 11):
With respect to #DNCLeak, approximately 23,000 users posted around 140,000 unique Tweets with that hashtag in the relevant period. Of those Tweets, roughly 2% were from potentially Russian-linked accounts. As noted above, our automated systems at the time detected, labeled, and hid just under half (48%) of all the original Tweets with #DNCLeak. Of the total Tweets with the hashtag, 0.84% were hidden and also originated from accounts that met at least one of the criteria for a Russian-linked account. Those Tweets received 0.21% of overall Tweet impressions.
It seems to me that Twitter is a much bigger threat to our election process than Russia.
Shouldn't speech about the election be somehow... I don't know... protected or something?
I've been saying this is way beyond Jail Hillary/Impeach Trump for over a year.
... and then cries about Russia? lol
I can do it, but you don't!
I wonder if what is happening in Spain was pushed along by Russia?
Oh my, Trump made a sarcastic quip! Treason! That's why Hillary lost!
We have an experience of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is not perfect, but it kind of works.
We need something sumilar for the Internet, Hardware, and Software. It is not a secret that numerous political and economic entities use the Internet for hidden agenda activities.
We finished playing cowboys and indians a long time ago.
We're almost finished playing cowboys and muslims.
Now it looks like we're going to play cowboys and russians next?
It's not sarcasm if your campaign is actively colluding with the cyberattacks and email thefts that you are praising as court documents show Moscow Donald did.
Interference in the past didn't usually make it far: there were editors and fact checkers and journalists who had integrity.
Today, getting the story out there as fast as possible is the goal - regardless of its validity.
Coupled with a public who prefers infotainment, Russia has an easy time.
And we have "news" organizations that do nothing but misinform.
Right now, I see too many folks all worked up over some football players kneeling during the national anthem; while the Republicans are going to put forth a tax plan that's gonna probably screw over the very same folks who really care about who kneels during the national anthem.
DISTRACTION ISSUES
No sir, our biggest enemy as regards to fake news is domestically produced.
And then there are the pundits - like Trump's buddy Hannity - who just lie; make shit up and stupid people believe them!
Destabilised Europe through Brexit. Destabilised the US through trump
The evidence does not support your conclusion at this point. Just because someone on the Trump campaign had contact with Russians means nothing. Taking out ads on Facebook is not a cyberattack. Most voting machines are not online either. And make no mistake if Hillary had won with the help of a foreign power there would be no investigation, no media witch-hunt. Evidence needs to be presented soon that Trump is guilty or the Left needs to back-off because they are wasting everyone's time.
Stay focused on the real enemy of civilization please.
Of course they had more targets.
Corporatism != Free Market
IMO, if Russia swung the election then they already own the country; they are in every computer, spying on government and citizens and manipulating everything in the U.S. It's over. If this is true then why is Trump their big play? Destabilizing the West was more effective under Obama. O intentionally tried to knock the U.S. down to size. Trump is trying to do the opposite. Just because he doesn't blame Russia as a villain even though Obama-era Intelligence Community does, doesn't make him a type of Manchurian Candidate. It doesn't make sense.
Am I the only one that sees the irony with the loony left now aghast at Russian meddling when their earliest patrons were the USSR? The anti-Vietnam War movement in the US got a billion dollars from the commutards and by some estimates received better funding then the Russians were giving the North Vietnamese.
I'd like to see a true accounting of Soviet meddling in the US but going apoplectic while pretending this is something new smells like something that came out of a swamp or a bull's rear end.
One thing that's changed is the we've never had a President strenuously collude with Russia's attacks on our country.
Donald Trump magnified Russia's attack on America by publicly praising it, while denying that it was Russia's doing, even though court documents now show that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia's cyberattacks on America.
ROFLMAO.
Dude, what color is the sky in your planet?
While you all are masturbating over "Russia", we just got news how Hillary took over the DNC during the campaign, further confirming that she stole the nomination. This is the real story, folks. Don't be distracted by their bullshit.
Russian boogymen stole the election/influenced the election/meddled in the election despite the evidence being very circumstantial at best. Yet, in Politico this morning, we learned exactly how HRC stole the election from Bernie. Now THAT is real election rigging.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
or the Left needs to back-off because they are wasting everyone's time.
That's hilarious, considering that a) the birther-in-chief is the current occupant of the WH, and b) it's not leftists shooting their mouth off you should worry about, but Mueller's actual investigation.
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It has been shown already to have been leak which is why the Democrats are not allowing an investigation of the servers themselves. The files where copied locally using cp -R based on their time and date stamps.. a 25MB per second copy(i.e. USB2.0).
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/guccifer2-metadata-analysis/comment-page-1/
People, you're letting evil take you over here. Sure, in some eyes we dodged a bullet - but we also backed into a buzzsaw doing it. We "chose" between a corrupt elitist, and an immature buffoon - elitist. If we let that kinda thing divide us and distract attention from the fact that we really had no choice in the matter, evil wins. Yes, the deep state/MIC/IC hate the current guy - which in my opinion is one of the higher compliments - Oh, the moneyed interests in defense - and the press - and hollywood hate that one? Hmmm...Fascism is when the money runs the show...Hmmm. Totalitarianism is orthagonal, but often comes along for that ride. Hmmm.
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Just sayin, we have huge issues with governance in the US, and while it's convienient to blame others (and fer sure they are involved) - it's not just the foreign influences that are the most important. They don't have any monopoly on telling us lies, and trying to blame all deception on an external cause is kinda vain. I seem to recall the old saying "fool me once, shame on you - fool my twice, shame on me". Well, we've been fooled again (apologies Who) and again for as long as I remember at age 64. How about taking some responsibility for that? Oh right, it's mostly immature kids here. You may now get off my lawn. Eisenhower had it right - and it was probably true before he said it.
If you actually want to fix a problem, rather than just whine about it, it pays to define it correctly. Don't let hate - encouraged by people who don't have your interests at heart - win.
Clearly, divide and conquer is at play here. And I don't think all that is external - only a few percent is.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
in the past we didn't have a significant portion of the population willing to side with the Russians in order to achieve victory. 30 years ago just the allegations would have kept Trump (and Hilary) out of the Whitehouse. Folks were willing to ignore widespread election meddling just to get their man in office.
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I'll say the Facebook ads convinced me to switch my vote.
You aren't part of the investigation, and its not over so there is no conclusion.
The Russians taking out ads to target divisions in our society is an attack. It happened on our Cyber infrastructure. It can therefore be said it was a "Cyber Attack."
Voting machines not online... are you suggesting they can't be attacked? I've found offline machines are usually more susceptible to a coordinated attack.
The investigation is not about left or the right. The investigation into Russia started in early 2016. It doesn't matter who is president, the FBI investigates. The only difference is that you would have folks on the other side jumping on the bandwagon and having their news organization play it 24/7.
We don't rush any investigations for the sake of the peanut gallery. Learning how propaganda affected our institutions is not a waste of our time.
Just because you don't like whats on your news, doesn't mean the news is partisan. If you have a strong reaction to it, it may mean you are.
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It's not sarcasm if your campaign is actively colluding with the cyberattacks and email thefts that you are praising as court documents show Moscow Donald did.
WHAT court documents? There are no documents that show this or even suggest what you claim.
I think you are making this all up, just like the "Golden Showers" dossier was made up and paid for by the democrats, then used by the FBI to justify surveillance of the Trump campaign so the Obama administration could "tap Trumps wires" (which we actually DO have documentation of).
There is only one racist piece of shit who publicly lied about Obama's birth place, and that's Moscow Donald, whose treasonous collusion with Russia has disgraced his name forever.
It's ironic that the guy who spread racist lies about Obama's birth place turned out to be a Russian agent. Not really surprising since racists are universally shitty people.
What really grinds my gears is that your delusional, brain-dead vote counts the same as every individual that actually has a functioning cortex.
Oh, and Moscow Donald? Not as clever as you seem to think it is. Turd.
Proof ? You fucking republitards are asking for proof now ? Funny, you didn't need proof to call Hilary Clinton a traitor and label her "crooked hilary".
Typical republitard hypocricy.
What an ignorant piece of shit you must be. It's going to be a real bumpy few months in your trailer park.
From what should be the subject of conversation - the evidence of the rampant corruption in the deep state.
No one has been convicted of anything you libtards. The AIPAC spy indictment was REAL news but nobody in the liberal media covered it.
9-11 was a Jew job.
ae911truth dot org
No but there's plenty of evidence slashdot is Democratic PArty propaganda, which is much more dangerous than Putin.
USians got Trump because Obama didn't reign in Corruption in the Political Class, fix FDR style guards on the Economy, and basically governed as a Center-Right Republican on Economic issues, and Center Left Democrat on Social issues.
Because he failed to stablize the declining middle class, allowed the decimation of Unions, and because of the Citizens United Ruling, it opened the door for our elections to be bought. This has been happening because the US have basically a far right government in Congress and it's driving the US into Medieval Fudalism. The combination of Economic Collapse, and of the presence of a Black President galvanized elements of White Nationalism that have been bulding since the Bush/Gore Election, and Septermber 11th 2001.
The Abortion and Gay thing, and religious fanaticism issues are actually issues of Whites being able to outbreed non-Whites. So the Conservative republicans are resorting to violence, and fraud now to rig elections. It is the collapse of Democracy in motion, and it will likely take a war to fix it. Maybe. History has a way of surprising everyone.
But as long as the Jim Bakkers and the Lance Wallanaus and the Rick Wiles exist, they present a threat to democracy because they represent the Christian Taliban.
What grinds my gears is that you fucking turncoats line up to defend Moscow Donald's treasonous collusion with Russia's ongoing attack on America.
The Orange Turnip writing "He tappin' muh wires" on a piece of paper is not proof of wiretapping. We know for a fact that Trump pulled that accusation out of thin air and there was zero corroborating evidence. The fact that his administration is leakier than a sieve is not proof of any nefarious deeds. Wow, dishonest Republican party does something dishonest.
The "Golden Showers" dossier came from the UK. The British are trying to undermine our democracy! British collusion!
The Russians paid to have shitty memes placed on Facebook. OMG "Cyber Attack"! They're going to destroy our democracy with their memes!!!
When your gears are all ground up, will you then STFU? Because your phony patriotism is starting to smell funny.
"The investigation into Russia started in early 2016"
It sure did and the Obama administration had hard evidence of Russia targeting the election and did absolutely nothing about it. The excuse for not doing anything was supposedly to keep from derailing the Presidential election. And that was a fine reason because they totally expected Clinton to win the election. And had Clinton won the lection the whole matter would have been dropped. When Clinton lost the outgoing administration waited until the last few days of Obama's term to seize Russian properties and boot 35 Russian diplomats and officials out of the country in retaliation. Had Clinton won the election there would have been no mention of changing or eliminating the Electoral College. Had Clinton won their would have been no mention of the Clinton Foundations habit of accepting millions of dollars in donations from foreign representatives trying to buy access to Clinton when she was Secretary of State. There would have been no mention of Bill Clinton accepting $500,000 from Russian lobbyists to give one speech. Trump is an idiot but Clinton was a bought and paid for pawn who would have did her masters bidding. The people who are putting all their energy into obstructing or bringing down Trump need to realize that anybody they support in the future will face the same level animosity where no tactic is out of bounds. Trump's detractors have decided he is so bad that the system itself must be put aside all for the sake of getting rid of him. They then foolishly believe the system and rules can be brought back into play going forward. Not to mention that these same people don't seem to realize that Trump elected to a 4 year term and not declared Emperor for Life.
The Clintons are the ones who should be worried about Mueller's actual investigation. Not because of Mueller's intent, of course (never!!) but because of the side effects of all the looking into things that is coming out.
Also, the 'birther' thing originated from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against Obama. Yes, it's boring arcana and nothing new with regard to the Clinton Crime Family, but it's the deal.
they didn't side with Russian, they sided with Communism. Never mind the fact that Russia was not and never has been communist. They were a dictatorship that happened to use communist rhetoric. And then there's the fact that the American communists were a small minority even in the left wing.
Nice politics troll though. The part at the end was a little odd though. Are you working for the Ruskies?
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Are you talking to yourself again, A.C.?
The proof was in the emails, you dumb motherfucker. Go back to your safe-space and work on your coloring books, idiot.
Exactly, the proof of Trump's treason is in his emails, where his campaign explicitly colludes with Russia's attack on America.
* brouught the Clintons Millions in comissions
* brought Russia access to potential nuke material.
How is that ?
The court documents show crimes from people affiliated with Trump that pre-date their association with the Trump campaign. That's an absolutely enormous difference from what you are describing.
Worse, the collusion with Russia appears to be both overstated and misdirected. The Hillary campaign created and pushed the Russian dossier that started the FBI investigation, which itself was collusion with Russian informants paid by Hillary to make apparently false accusations on top of her already corrupt sale of 20% of the United State's uranium to Russia.
I'm neither pro-Russia nor pro-Trump, but the whole narrative has become so ridiculously twisted. Replace 'Russia' with 'Britain', and the story would be about how an allied whistleblower uncovered the shocking story of the Democratic primary being rigged. Where's the outrage about that?
That Russia has wanted, and has tried to encourage, the breakup of the U.S. for decades is not news (Igor Panarin has very publicly made a career out of it). And buying ads to exacerbate the existing divisions hardly seems like an act of war or anything.
Russia's big "crime" was that they exposed wrongdoing of certain people within the DNC. As in, Russia exposed people circumventing the democratic process. Think about it: for all the brouhaha, by exposing that sort of thing they were actually *helping* strengthen democracy in the US. LOL! Down is up! Up is down!
Now I don't for a moment believe their motivations were pure or pro-US in any way, but it's so absurd to talk about all their evil meddling when the main thing they did was reveal the foul play that was already going on. Sheesh.
The problem is the DNC, end of story.
They rigged their primary.
Started a civil war to keep slavery.
Filibustered civil rights to keep blacks from voting.
Kept a KKK leader as a top Senator for 60 years, and had his as a mentor for their presidential candidate.
Had another raists' son, Al Gore Jr. as another one of their presidential candidate.
Looked the other way as Winestein molested hundreds of women because he gave them money.
Lied to get a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing campaign.
Used the IRS to target people based on political views.
Sold 20% of US Uranium to Russia for bribes to themselves.
Blamed current president for colluding with Russia to affect election, while THEY paid Russia $9 million to help them win the election.
And just yesterday put out an email saying if you want a job with DNC IT, don't be a white straight male.
They are literally evil incarnate at this point. GOP isn't great, but at least they don't purposely attack the middle class for having different viewpoints.
The American 1% lie to you 99% of the time. CNN, NYTIMES, WaPO - all proven LIARS.
At RT.COM, they simply tell the truth, and that itches all the American 1%ers massively.
E.g, https://www.rt.com/usa/408594-rt-blamed-clinton-health-conspiracy/
Where 'started' probably means something like 'the Clinton staff looked into it as part of oppo research when Hilary was running against Obama, but dropped it as insane nonsense.'
But even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Hillary ever uttered the phrase 'birth certificate' in this context, does that mean it is suddenly not a sadly laughable conspiracy theory? Because Hilary would somehow have blessed it?
My estimate of the US voter has never been as low as in the last few years. In any sensible democracy DJT the politician would have sunk without a trace purely for peddling the birther theories, not to mention at least 10 other things at the same level of sad insanity.
Listen, Hacking 101 - Change your IP address and MAC address.
Everybody knows this and nation states AUTOMATE the process just to make sure. All the claims are that IP addresses show it was Russia? It's a bunch of Bull.
All of these elitist Rags where all too happy to support GWB's criminal war lies in the run-up to the Iraq war.
The MIC and Bush painted Iraq and Saddam Hussein into the darkest possible picture:
* Their SCUD missiles could magically reach Europe
* They had super-duper powerful chemical agents (remeber that Colin Powell vial-wielding in front of the UN ?)
* Somehow they were doing ultra-nasty things with "yellow cake" from Niger.
ALL LIES.
In truth:
Israel wanted Iraq to be destroyed for being a NUSIANCE during the 1990 war. Then Iraq shot some highly unprecise SCUDs to Israel, which is the max range of these 1949-age missiles. So the NY banksters lobbied GWB to destroy Iraq for Israel with all sorts of lies. The media complied and parroted all of it in 2003.
Iraq turned from a modern society where women had some rights into a zone of brutish religious nutcase mass murdering. All due to U.S. destruction of the Iraqi security system.
WELL DONE NEW YORK TIMES !
Honest people go to RT.COM for their news.
She was of course "all for this and for more wars". Because the MIC and the general war industry pays nicely.
Now the war industry is offended their candidate did not win. That is basically all.
The rest is a bunch of "the Russkies did it" PARANOIA.
Just because someone on the Trump campaign had contact with Russians means nothing
Not just "someone"
Taking out ads alone should not be considered a "Cyber Attack". It is also incorrect for some politicians to suggest that such a "Cyber Attack" is an act of war. Ads are a form of speech and in a country where free speech is valued it will be difficult to regulate and block speech no matter the actual or assumed origin.
I have no problem with your premise that an investigation should be non-partisan. But, within the last few years the Snowden and Wikileaks materials have shown proof that the FBI and the Intelligence Community routinely act outside of the Constitution. I'm sure that the Russian Government does not have the best intentions. However, that does not mean that the FBI are the pinnacle of truth because there are internal corrupting forces at work and some of these organizations operate on their own agenda. Sometimes that goes against the interest of citizens. So the question is: Who watches the watchmen?
Also, the 'birther' thing originated from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against Obama. Yes, it's boring arcana and nothing new with regard to the Clinton Crime Family, but it's the deal.
Or, you know, that is just more fake news from the mouth of the president.
Jeez the discourse on this site has reached a new low. People spouting half assed conspiracy theories used to be modded down, not modded up.
The FBI filed a FISA warrant to wiretap Paul Manifort, IN Trump Tower while he was the campaign manager. We have court evidence of this, the FISA warrant.
Trump did not make it up, its fact. Obama's DOJ wiretapped Trump's campaign during the election. Not even debatable at this point. The question is, did they use the fake documents from Russia as evidence, Clinton, Obama, and Comey all knew they were fake and it was the FBI that requested the wire tap. In this case Comey is in a shit load of trouble if he knew it was requested (he already lied under oath about not wiretapping which was a lie) If he got a warrant with knowingly falsified evidence, it will be worse for him.
Taking out ads alone should not be considered a "Cyber Attack". It is also incorrect for some politicians to suggest that such a "Cyber Attack" is an act of war. Ads are a form of speech and in a country where free speech is valued it will be difficult to regulate and block speech no matter the actual or assumed origin.
I have no problem with your premise that an investigation should be non-partisan. But, within the last few years the Snowden and Wikileaks materials have shown proof that the FBI and the Intelligence Community routinely act outside of the US Constitution. I'm sure that the Russian Government does not have the best intentions. However, that does not mean that the FBI are the pinnacle of truth because there are internal corrupting forces at work and some of these organizations operate on their own agenda. Sometimes that goes against the interest of citizens. So the question is: Who watches the watchmen?
Looking at all of the posts with "Moscow Donald", I notice they have similar word usage and grammar. It's almost as if they were written by a bot.
If this is an actual person, I have to wonder how it feels to fail the Turing Test so spectacularly...
It has been proven that it [meaning the DNC hack] was a leak and not a hack.
Nope. One researcher claimed that it was a leak and not a hack, but the evidence to show that was weak. The Nation (which was the first mainstream outlet to publish those charges first) later published a second article pointing out the weaknesses in the case made by the first article: https://www.thenation.com/arti...
The files where copied locally using cp -R based on the time and date stamps. It was a 25MB per second copy(i.e. USB2.0).
So, what the metadata showed was that at some point the data was copied at 25MBits/second. What wasn't shown, however, was at what stage in the hack this transfer speed happened. The files could have been stolen off a server at one speed, but then copied to another file at a higher speed sometime before being released. 25 MBits/second isn't necessarily the speed at which they were initially copied.
also, note that this is MegaBITS per second, not bytes. In fact, high speed internet connections do reach and exceed this speed, so the analysis doesn't even particularly show that the files weren't stolen across an internet connection.
So, bottom line, the metadata analysis, in this case, was interesting but didn't really prove anything, and most particularly, didn't show that the leak was internal rather than external.
Hard to take your Turing Test commentary seriously when it's obvious your own IQ would largely prevent you from accomplishing a task as difficult as tying your own shoelaces.
Yes and it seems many leftists were duped by Russian disinformation. Buzzfeed reports that anti-Trump protests were organized by Russian linked accounts on Fecesbook.
Communism never gets past the 'Dictatorship of the Proles' phase. The left figured that out ages ago. See, we on the left learn from our mistakes. How's that Trickle Down Economics doing for you?
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Yes, FBI and CIA has no direct legitimate access to Russian networks, so Russian internet is safe heaven for all sorts of cyber criminals. Probably it is time to start searching for their origins in USA.
You can't say "emails aren't proof" when it comes to Donald. Then say "Clinton is guilty, cuz emails"
It doesn't work that way. What's good for the goose and shit.
Why is that the 20% uranium deal is always trotted out like Hillary has the power all by herself to arrange and sell 20% of the US uranium Supply.
It's like you people actually believe she was the sole reason. Like nobody else profited from it. I'm not even sure what goes thru your brain. Like the Hillary for prison shit. Are you seriously suggesting that Hillary belongs in prison even tho no wrong doing was said to have occur?? No charges brung up. Even after they looked at it TWICE.
Or what about the Obama birth fiasco. I remember hearing plenty of republicans screaming "where's the birth certificate, he isn't a citizen"
Feels like the republicans are always spouting FUD to the top of their lungs. Must have serious issues trying to deflect blame to everyone else for your fuck up.
This post contains a bunch of false statements and FUD and it's modded up to +1. I mean Christ sakes slashdot.
Also source: https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
Or news for kids.Get off my lawn.
To be clear: Politifact acknowledges that Clinton staffers were spreading the birther rumor during the primary.
It just can't be tied back to Clinton herself or the "official" campaign. Which sounds like plausible deniability at work.
There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama.
That is tantamount to Trump campaign starting the whole "Aliens are sending girls to rape colonies on the moon" thing just because Alex Jones is throwing it out there.
Just asking: did you snort the same blase powder over the Snowden "revelations".
The shock—and it's usually just a mild one—is to finally see credible evidence marshalled in a public forum that the majority of the population won't immediately discount as a giant nothing burger.
I always startle a bit when a giant nothing burger suddenly undematerializes behind me.
You expect it, but you also don't.
The Disturbing Timeline of George Papadopoulos' Russian Contacts On Behalf of Trump Campaign
> Yet multiple investigations have turned up absolutely no substantial evidence that she did anything illegal.
What?
We have the classified emails. We have Trey Gowdy grilling the FBI on why the imagined a legal standard that doesn't exist. As for "intent" we have her asking Colin Powell how he got away with using personal email and him telling her how to cheat the damned rules.
We know about the classified pics of North Korea that were sent. We know about the classified markings that were stripped. We know that the uncleared maid was there printing classified stuff.
But there's "no evidence"? Or maybe you're going to blame Russia for this? I mean, the brother of her campaign chairman is registered as a Russian lobbyist and he did just step down from the Podesta group because of all this.
You know in those video games where your avatar's life is bleeding out in a rising cloud of numeric bubbles? Credibility works this way, too. Only you have to visualize this yourself. It's a little harder, but may I suggest it's a worthwhile life skill to develop.
Obama's secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin's election assault — The Washington Post, 23 June 2017
That last sentence certainly does manage to call in question whether Obama did nearly enough, soon enough. (Spoiler alert: he almost certainly didn't, and would now admit this himself.)
Any time a foreign adversary attacks our interests in a way meant to disrupt our society, that is an act of war. It may be a propaganda war, but its war. They have installed a Russian firewall similar to the Chinese firewall so as to not have the same thing done to them.
Free speech is a right we give ourselves in the constitution. The Constitution does not apply to other countries. They have zero right to free speech in our country when it originates on their soil.
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I'm a little slow sometimes.
If you had written your post that way, instead of "absolutely nothing", much of your credibility would still be intact.
I know, I know, "absolutely nothing" and "sweet fuck all" are practically cohabiting in the same pouch on your potion belt.
Yet the difference is crucial.
The sad things is that posting a link to Politifact just proves that it must be true in some people's minds. They really do seem to believe that anything that the "mainstream media" (basically everyone with a shred of credibility) says is merely more proof of conspiracy.
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Have your country considered educating people in critical thinking? Or would that destroy your economy? If Russia was able to pick a president in your country through the internet, you have a serious democratic problem that you should fix. I'm with Linus, we never blame userland, if anything breaks userland, it's a regression, and it should be fixed asap. Fix your democracy. People voted for the candidate they wanted to be president. That's it. No proof of tampering with the results. If they were too easy to influence, and didn't get what they wanted, then that's your national democratic problem.
Stop whining about Russia.
Would you please take that neocon waffle and shove it where the sun don't shine
Reading AP's paper, it is not obvious what their sources are.
It's an obvious straw man being used to deflect from Russia's actual interference. I say obvious because as others have pointed out, Trump is too stupid and inexperienced to collude with Russia without getting caught. Russia has had to be very careful to avoid Trump and his team incriminating themselves.
I'm sure that the US isn't concerned with elections in other countries, and has never done anything to try and influence an election one way or another. Any system will have to put up with Jan's influence whether natural, socio-economic, or other.
Wait a minute, the media told me Trump is a NAZI. Russians hate NAZI's.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Maybe the reason Obama didn't try to stop the Russians is because it would have been counterproductive. By this I mean that the collusion and election interference from Russia could very well have been the result of a tit-for-tat agreement connected to the uranium deal and huge donations from Russian sources toward the Clinton foundation.
So, the idea being that Obama and the DNC couldn't imagine a scenario where Hillary would lose, especially with all of the help from the Russians they purchased with uranium. This obviously did not come to pass. So the Democrats know there is collusion with Russia because they are the ones that arranged it! All they need to do to topple their opponent is pin their actions on their rivals.
If I were going to do that I would start with a narrative that my opponent was working with the Russians. I would keep saying it, without ceasing, until it was on the lips of everyone in the country. And, if you know the ways that the Russians were interfering in the election it would be very easy to use that information disparity to make your opponent look guilty.
Food for thought? I seriously don't know how valid this idea is. Personally I don't think that any election related collusion went on. There are too many other sources domestically that would provide more bang for the buck. I mean really, if $50k-$100k of foreign sourced money and influence could change the results of the election, how much more could be done with that money in the hands of domestic influence peddlers?
It just doesn't make sense as presented.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
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Casteism
Only Americans can correct the record!
Propagandist bullshit.