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Russia Hackers Had Targets Worldwide, Beyond US Election (apnews.com)
Raphael Satter, Jeff Donn, and Justin Myers, reporting for Associated Press: The hackers who disrupted the U.S. presidential election had ambitions well beyond Hillary Clinton's campaign, targeting the emails of Ukrainian officers, Russian opposition figures, U.S. defense contractors and thousands of others of interest to the Kremlin, according to a previously unpublished digital hit list obtained by The Associated Press. The list provides the most detailed forensic evidence yet of the close alignment between the hackers and the Russian government, exposing an operation that stretched back years and tried to break into the inboxes of 4,700 Gmail users across the globe -- from the pope's representative in Kiev to the punk band Pussy Riot in Moscow. "It's a wish list of who you'd want to target to further Russian interests," said Keir Giles, director of the Conflict Studies Research Center in Cambridge, England, and one of five outside experts who reviewed the AP's findings. He said the data was "a master list of individuals whom Russia would like to spy on, embarrass, discredit or silence."
A broad Russian strategy rather than targeting US election specifically.
The KGB and Kremlin have been doing this forever. For the most part, we took control of the media in the sense that no foreign adversaries were able to poke through on a large scale.
With the advent of the internet, all the walls were dropped and they were able to ramp up.
Nothing has changed about their strategy other then its now digital.
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"Those Silly Russians" - Eric Kotara
One thing that's changed is the we've never had a President strenuously collude with Russia's attacks on our country.
Donald Trump magnified Russia's attack on America by publicly praising it, while denying that it was Russia's doing, even though court documents now show that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia's cyberattacks on America.
From Twitter's testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee (page 11):
With respect to #DNCLeak, approximately 23,000 users posted around 140,000 unique Tweets with that hashtag in the relevant period. Of those Tweets, roughly 2% were from potentially Russian-linked accounts. As noted above, our automated systems at the time detected, labeled, and hid just under half (48%) of all the original Tweets with #DNCLeak. Of the total Tweets with the hashtag, 0.84% were hidden and also originated from accounts that met at least one of the criteria for a Russian-linked account. Those Tweets received 0.21% of overall Tweet impressions.
It seems to me that Twitter is a much bigger threat to our election process than Russia.
Shouldn't speech about the election be somehow... I don't know... protected or something?
I wonder if what is happening in Spain was pushed along by Russia?
But I suppose Democrats need their birther conspiracy theories too.
Clinton literally started that one. The right just snatched her ball away from her like a giant red-colored Lucy and laughed.
Oh, and they're doing it with the MUH RUSSIA narrative now, too.
Poor Shillary, always gettin' robbed.
We have an experience of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is not perfect, but it kind of works.
We need something sumilar for the Internet, Hardware, and Software. It is not a secret that numerous political and economic entities use the Internet for hidden agenda activities.
Of course they had more targets.
Corporatism != Free Market
So you voted for Trump because you believed he was not corrupt...
One thing that's changed is the we've never had a President strenuously collude with Russia's attacks on our country.
Donald Trump magnified Russia's attack on America by publicly praising it, while denying that it was Russia's doing, even though court documents now show that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia's cyberattacks on America.
ROFLMAO.
Dude, what color is the sky in your planet?
Or less so than Hillary.
It has been proven that it was a leak and not a hack. The files where copied locally using cp -R based on the time and date stamps.
It was a 25MB per second copy(i.e. USB2.0).
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/guccifer2-metadata-analysis/comment-page-1/
Ha. Ha. Ha.
So the Russians are behind Brexit now?
Are they behind the open borders movement too - as an effort to destabilize western Europe and the United States?
The Russians are behind the Scots wanting independence?
And Catalonia?
The Kurds as well (yes I know Kurdistan is not in Europe).
Oooo. How about the upcoming Basque, Corsican, Sardinian, Venetian, and Sicilian Independence Movements.
Are the Russians behind the California Independence movement? And the Alaskan Independence Movement (yeah rejoining Alaska with Russia).
Sarah Palin's husband is a Russian operative. You heard it here first folks.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
or the Left needs to back-off because they are wasting everyone's time.
That's hilarious, considering that a) the birther-in-chief is the current occupant of the WH, and b) it's not leftists shooting their mouth off you should worry about, but Mueller's actual investigation.
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People, you're letting evil take you over here. Sure, in some eyes we dodged a bullet - but we also backed into a buzzsaw doing it. We "chose" between a corrupt elitist, and an immature buffoon - elitist. If we let that kinda thing divide us and distract attention from the fact that we really had no choice in the matter, evil wins. Yes, the deep state/MIC/IC hate the current guy - which in my opinion is one of the higher compliments - Oh, the moneyed interests in defense - and the press - and hollywood hate that one? Hmmm...Fascism is when the money runs the show...Hmmm. Totalitarianism is orthagonal, but often comes along for that ride. Hmmm.
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Just sayin, we have huge issues with governance in the US, and while it's convienient to blame others (and fer sure they are involved) - it's not just the foreign influences that are the most important. They don't have any monopoly on telling us lies, and trying to blame all deception on an external cause is kinda vain. I seem to recall the old saying "fool me once, shame on you - fool my twice, shame on me". Well, we've been fooled again (apologies Who) and again for as long as I remember at age 64. How about taking some responsibility for that? Oh right, it's mostly immature kids here. You may now get off my lawn. Eisenhower had it right - and it was probably true before he said it.
If you actually want to fix a problem, rather than just whine about it, it pays to define it correctly. Don't let hate - encouraged by people who don't have your interests at heart - win.
Clearly, divide and conquer is at play here. And I don't think all that is external - only a few percent is.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
in the past we didn't have a significant portion of the population willing to side with the Russians in order to achieve victory. 30 years ago just the allegations would have kept Trump (and Hilary) out of the Whitehouse. Folks were willing to ignore widespread election meddling just to get their man in office.
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It's not sarcasm if your campaign is actively colluding with the cyberattacks and email thefts that you are praising as court documents show Moscow Donald did.
WHAT court documents? There are no documents that show this or even suggest what you claim.
I think you are making this all up, just like the "Golden Showers" dossier was made up and paid for by the democrats, then used by the FBI to justify surveillance of the Trump campaign so the Obama administration could "tap Trumps wires" (which we actually DO have documentation of).
I'm proud to be a patriotic American.
We can tell, by your stupidity, obnoxiousness, and dogged attraction to your opinion, regardless of evidence to the contrary....
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
When your gears are all ground up, will you then STFU? Because your phony patriotism is starting to smell funny.
"The investigation into Russia started in early 2016"
It sure did and the Obama administration had hard evidence of Russia targeting the election and did absolutely nothing about it. The excuse for not doing anything was supposedly to keep from derailing the Presidential election. And that was a fine reason because they totally expected Clinton to win the election. And had Clinton won the lection the whole matter would have been dropped. When Clinton lost the outgoing administration waited until the last few days of Obama's term to seize Russian properties and boot 35 Russian diplomats and officials out of the country in retaliation. Had Clinton won the election there would have been no mention of changing or eliminating the Electoral College. Had Clinton won their would have been no mention of the Clinton Foundations habit of accepting millions of dollars in donations from foreign representatives trying to buy access to Clinton when she was Secretary of State. There would have been no mention of Bill Clinton accepting $500,000 from Russian lobbyists to give one speech. Trump is an idiot but Clinton was a bought and paid for pawn who would have did her masters bidding. The people who are putting all their energy into obstructing or bringing down Trump need to realize that anybody they support in the future will face the same level animosity where no tactic is out of bounds. Trump's detractors have decided he is so bad that the system itself must be put aside all for the sake of getting rid of him. They then foolishly believe the system and rules can be brought back into play going forward. Not to mention that these same people don't seem to realize that Trump elected to a 4 year term and not declared Emperor for Life.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
So the Russians are behind Brexit now?
Are they behind the open borders movement too - as an effort to destabilize western Europe and the United States?
The Russians are behind the Scots wanting independence?
And Catalonia?
I'd have assumed it was the USA behind Brexit. The Brits are probably behind Catalonia and the Irish behind Scots independence.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
they didn't side with Russian, they sided with Communism. Never mind the fact that Russia was not and never has been communist. They were a dictatorship that happened to use communist rhetoric. And then there's the fact that the American communists were a small minority even in the left wing.
Nice politics troll though. The part at the end was a little odd though. Are you working for the Ruskies?
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Are you talking to yourself again, A.C.?
The proof was in the emails, you dumb motherfucker. Go back to your safe-space and work on your coloring books, idiot.
I take it your solution is that 'journalists' should need to show their credentials before being allowed to say anything in public.
You and Kim Jong Un have some interesting ideas. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
So has that paranoid freak who runs infowars.com.
For years now. He spins up so much fluff it almost seems like he's running a cotton candy machine.
The court documents show crimes from people affiliated with Trump that pre-date their association with the Trump campaign. That's an absolutely enormous difference from what you are describing.
Worse, the collusion with Russia appears to be both overstated and misdirected. The Hillary campaign created and pushed the Russian dossier that started the FBI investigation, which itself was collusion with Russian informants paid by Hillary to make apparently false accusations on top of her already corrupt sale of 20% of the United State's uranium to Russia.
But you have to acknowledge that there is meddling of some sort going on in the East.
Those pesky meddling Russians! Why can't they just get with the rest of us and let the NSA protect all of us. It would be so much better.
I'm neither pro-Russia nor pro-Trump, but the whole narrative has become so ridiculously twisted. Replace 'Russia' with 'Britain', and the story would be about how an allied whistleblower uncovered the shocking story of the Democratic primary being rigged. Where's the outrage about that?
That Russia has wanted, and has tried to encourage, the breakup of the U.S. for decades is not news (Igor Panarin has very publicly made a career out of it). And buying ads to exacerbate the existing divisions hardly seems like an act of war or anything.
Russia's big "crime" was that they exposed wrongdoing of certain people within the DNC. As in, Russia exposed people circumventing the democratic process. Think about it: for all the brouhaha, by exposing that sort of thing they were actually *helping* strengthen democracy in the US. LOL! Down is up! Up is down!
Now I don't for a moment believe their motivations were pure or pro-US in any way, but it's so absurd to talk about all their evil meddling when the main thing they did was reveal the foul play that was already going on. Sheesh.
Apparently you've never turned on a television or opened a newspaper in your life.
I turned on the Television, but quickly discovered that the material you can view there is called 'programs.' I didn't really want to get programmed.
And no, I am not interested in buying a copy of your newspaper. Have you tried selling it on the mall down by the Student Union? Lots of gullible freshmen there...
Where 'started' probably means something like 'the Clinton staff looked into it as part of oppo research when Hilary was running against Obama, but dropped it as insane nonsense.'
But even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Hillary ever uttered the phrase 'birth certificate' in this context, does that mean it is suddenly not a sadly laughable conspiracy theory? Because Hilary would somehow have blessed it?
My estimate of the US voter has never been as low as in the last few years. In any sensible democracy DJT the politician would have sunk without a trace purely for peddling the birther theories, not to mention at least 10 other things at the same level of sad insanity.
Yup. The USSR spent a fortune on Communist and fake peace movements and the left benefited from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong,[19] although he does not identify any organisation by name. Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".[19] The former KGB officer Sergei Tretyakov said that the Soviet Peace Committee funded and organized demonstrations in Europe against US bases.[20] According to Time magazine, a US State Department official estimated that the KGB may have spent $600 million on the peace offensive up to 1983, channeling funds through national Communist parties or the World Peace Council "to a host of new antiwar organizations that would, in many cases, reject the financial help if they knew the source."[13] Richard Felix Staar in his book Foreign Policies of the Soviet Union says that non-communist peace movements without overt ties to the USSR were "virtually controlled" by it. Lord Chalfont claimed that the Soviet Union was giving the European peace movement £100 million a year. The Federation of Conservative Students (FCS) alleged Soviet funding of CND.
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So... what does Putins cock taste like?
Victory!
Also, the 'birther' thing originated from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against Obama. Yes, it's boring arcana and nothing new with regard to the Clinton Crime Family, but it's the deal.
Or, you know, that is just more fake news from the mouth of the president.
Jeez the discourse on this site has reached a new low. People spouting half assed conspiracy theories used to be modded down, not modded up.
Red scare is when the right attacks the left accusing people of communist sympathies. The Soviet Union and communism failed so it is no longer possible to have a red scare, no one in the West believes in communism any more. Democratic socialism and varying degrees of state regulation yes but Soviet communism? no chance.
What we have here are hostile acts by Russian hackers aimed at destabilsing their enemies. And the United States continues to act as an enemy of Russia so you bastards deserved it. The destruction of the EU and Nato are also highly desireable given the EU power grab in Ukraine. The fact that the Russians have achieved this by hijacking the causes of sociopathic right wing hedge fund managers and the super rich is just the icing on the cake. They must be laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the Nationalist and Populists who are destroying America and the European Union.
No suprise that the rest of us look at you dumb traitors with disgust. No one cares that Hillary lost or that Brexit is happening, we care about the fact that these aims were achieved by dog whistle racism and pressing the fear of the foriegner button which has poisoned our nations with hatred. Western economic power depends on globalisation and immigration and emigration, at least outside Japan it does. The joke of it all is that by ending globalisation and immigration and emigration the biggest casualty is capitalism as it will lead to a global economic decline. Serves you cretins right.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
The real enemy of civilisation are the propagandists seeking genocide and polarisation within our societies to further their political aims. United we stand. divided we fall. Stop being so weak you snowflake chickens.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
We understand that the Soviet Union when it existed funded the left. We also understand that the Soviet Union no longer exists and that communism failed. The modern Russia is a gangster kingdom which actually mainly funds far right extremists across the world as a means of destabalising its enemies. We understand all this but cannot understand why you choose not to understand this.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
Absolutely 100% correct. No one gives a jot about clinton now and most of the democrats hope we never see her again. Trump is an idot and is doing far more damage to the west than any corporate money shill republican could ever do. The guy has done exactly nothing for his base except encourage racists and Nazis. Get rid of him before something really bad happens. Pence would be a nightmare but at least he would only make people poor to pay for benefits for the super rich rather than burning down the world like cretinious Trump.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
Yet multiple investigations have turned up absolutely no substantial evidence that she did anything illegal.
Meanwhile, Trump's associates are bailing out left and right when proof of their wrongdoing is found and members are starting to get arrested and indicted for real crimes.
You have a hilariously stupid definition of "less so"
"And what do you come up with ? Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. For fuck's sake." Pretty much what I was saying. If all you have is the choice of losers, it's not much of a choice. We didn't get here because honest people were doing the vetting of the candidates, eh?
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
A blog post 'discredits' something that has not and never will happen? You have a rather frisky imagination. Have you considered contacting Amazon? They publish a lot of stuff these days as eBooks that in the old days would have had to be self-published.
It has been proven that it [meaning the DNC hack] was a leak and not a hack.
Nope. One researcher claimed that it was a leak and not a hack, but the evidence to show that was weak. The Nation (which was the first mainstream outlet to publish those charges first) later published a second article pointing out the weaknesses in the case made by the first article: https://www.thenation.com/arti...
The files where copied locally using cp -R based on the time and date stamps. It was a 25MB per second copy(i.e. USB2.0).
So, what the metadata showed was that at some point the data was copied at 25MBits/second. What wasn't shown, however, was at what stage in the hack this transfer speed happened. The files could have been stolen off a server at one speed, but then copied to another file at a higher speed sometime before being released. 25 MBits/second isn't necessarily the speed at which they were initially copied.
also, note that this is MegaBITS per second, not bytes. In fact, high speed internet connections do reach and exceed this speed, so the analysis doesn't even particularly show that the files weren't stolen across an internet connection.
So, bottom line, the metadata analysis, in this case, was interesting but didn't really prove anything, and most particularly, didn't show that the leak was internal rather than external.
So why not vote Bernie?
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Interference in the past didn't usually make it far: there were editors and fact checkers and journalists who had integrity.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
Communism never gets past the 'Dictatorship of the Proles' phase. The left figured that out ages ago. See, we on the left learn from our mistakes. How's that Trickle Down Economics doing for you?
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Or news for kids.Get off my lawn.
The joke of it all is that by ending globalisation and immigration and emigration the biggest casualty is capitalism as it will lead to a global economic decline. Serves you cretins right.
Yes, I'm sure you'll be fine.
The US (and Russia for that matter) are going to be relatively well off in a global economic decline. We have natural resources and land to sustain ourselves. And the might to stop others from taking it.
To be clear: Politifact acknowledges that Clinton staffers were spreading the birther rumor during the primary.
It just can't be tied back to Clinton herself or the "official" campaign. Which sounds like plausible deniability at work.
According to my mother, a vote for Bernie is a vote for Trump. That's why.
There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama.
That is tantamount to Trump campaign starting the whole "Aliens are sending girls to rape colonies on the moon" thing just because Alex Jones is throwing it out there.
Just asking: did you snort the same blase powder over the Snowden "revelations".
The shock—and it's usually just a mild one—is to finally see credible evidence marshalled in a public forum that the majority of the population won't immediately discount as a giant nothing burger.
I always startle a bit when a giant nothing burger suddenly undematerializes behind me.
You expect it, but you also don't.
The Disturbing Timeline of George Papadopoulos' Russian Contacts On Behalf of Trump Campaign
You know in those video games where your avatar's life is bleeding out in a rising cloud of numeric bubbles? Credibility works this way, too. Only you have to visualize this yourself. It's a little harder, but may I suggest it's a worthwhile life skill to develop.
Obama's secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin's election assault — The Washington Post, 23 June 2017
That last sentence certainly does manage to call in question whether Obama did nearly enough, soon enough. (Spoiler alert: he almost certainly didn't, and would now admit this himself.)
Any time a foreign adversary attacks our interests in a way meant to disrupt our society, that is an act of war. It may be a propaganda war, but its war. They have installed a Russian firewall similar to the Chinese firewall so as to not have the same thing done to them.
Free speech is a right we give ourselves in the constitution. The Constitution does not apply to other countries. They have zero right to free speech in our country when it originates on their soil.
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EU power grab in Ukraine.
Whhaaatt? I think you've confused which side invaded and took territory away from a sovereign nation.
People voted to exit the EU. Welcome to real democracy.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I'm a little slow sometimes.
If you had written your post that way, instead of "absolutely nothing", much of your credibility would still be intact.
I know, I know, "absolutely nothing" and "sweet fuck all" are practically cohabiting in the same pouch on your potion belt.
Yet the difference is crucial.
Hillary would not be filling the government with cronies and industry shills and pieces of shit like Trump has.
The sad things is that posting a link to Politifact just proves that it must be true in some people's minds. They really do seem to believe that anything that the "mainstream media" (basically everyone with a shred of credibility) says is merely more proof of conspiracy.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Brexit: Yes, they pushed hard for it. Take a look at "David Jones" for example.
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Would you please take that neocon waffle and shove it where the sun don't shine
Reading AP's paper, it is not obvious what their sources are.
Wait a minute, the media told me Trump is a NAZI. Russians hate NAZI's.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Maybe the reason Obama didn't try to stop the Russians is because it would have been counterproductive. By this I mean that the collusion and election interference from Russia could very well have been the result of a tit-for-tat agreement connected to the uranium deal and huge donations from Russian sources toward the Clinton foundation.
So, the idea being that Obama and the DNC couldn't imagine a scenario where Hillary would lose, especially with all of the help from the Russians they purchased with uranium. This obviously did not come to pass. So the Democrats know there is collusion with Russia because they are the ones that arranged it! All they need to do to topple their opponent is pin their actions on their rivals.
If I were going to do that I would start with a narrative that my opponent was working with the Russians. I would keep saying it, without ceasing, until it was on the lips of everyone in the country. And, if you know the ways that the Russians were interfering in the election it would be very easy to use that information disparity to make your opponent look guilty.
Food for thought? I seriously don't know how valid this idea is. Personally I don't think that any election related collusion went on. There are too many other sources domestically that would provide more bang for the buck. I mean really, if $50k-$100k of foreign sourced money and influence could change the results of the election, how much more could be done with that money in the hands of domestic influence peddlers?
It just doesn't make sense as presented.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
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