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'Discovery of the Century': Mysterious Void Discovered In Egypt's Great Pyramid (nationalgeographic.com)

New submitter klgds writes: The cavity is the first major inner structure discovered in the pyramid since the 1800s. Egypt's Great Pyramid of Giza -- one of the wonders of the ancient world, and a dazzling feat of architectural genius -- contains a hidden void at least a hundred feet long, scientists said. The space's dimensions resemble those of the pyramid's Grand Gallery, the 153-foot-long, 26-foot-tall corridor that leads to the burial chamber of Khufu, the pharaoh for whom the pyramid was built. However, it remains unclear what lies within the space, what purpose it served, or if it's one or multiple spaces. The void is the first large inner structure discovered within the 4,500-year-old pyramid since the 1800s -- a find made possible by recent advances in high-energy particle physics. The results were published in the journal Nature. "This is definitely the discovery of the century," says archaeologist and Egyptologist Yukinori Kawae, a National Geographic Emerging Explorer. "There have been many hypotheses about the pyramid, but no one even imagined that such a big void is located above the Grand Gallery."

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  1. Well duh by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the teleportation chamber to link with the alien starships when they're in orbit!

    1. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's where the grain is stored.

    2. Re:Well duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Arabs and women....

      The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs. The Arabs arrived in the 7th century ... from Arabia. The pyramids had been built more than 3000 years earlier.

    3. Re:Well duh by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Funny

      You keep your weed in there man!

    4. Re:Well duh by irrational_design · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't tell if you are serious. There were no Arabs in Egypt when the pyramids were built. Or maybe you don't know what an Arab is, or what the difference between Arabs and Egyptians is. Do you think Hittites are Arabs too?

    5. Re:Well duh by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who do you think built the pyramids, idiot.

      Like another poster already pointed out, the ancient Egyptians, which lived thousands of years before arabs even existed.

      Or did you think mohamed invented arabs when he invented allah?

      Allah means "God" in arabic, and Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity - in many ways it's the same religion worshiping the "one true God". So Mohammed didn't invent Allah. Nope.

      I wonder where the guy found all the time between his mass rape sessions.

      It's a common accusation from more base-minded people that Mohammed was a pedophile, which I guess is what you're hinting at. While it might be true that Mohammed had sex with what we consider to be children in the 21st century - I honestly don't know that - I think it's safe to say that this was happening all over the world in the 6th century and would not be some "perversion" unique to Mohammed. It might be inconceivable to you, but moral and ethical standards do change over the centuries.

    6. Re:Well duh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Who do you think built the pyramids, idiot. Or did you think mohamed invented arabs when he invented allah? I wonder where the guy found all the time between his mass rape sessions.

      I see someone doesn't know their Middle Eastern history. The Great Pyramid at Giza was built around 2580–2560 BCE. Arabs didn't exist in Egypt until after 600 BCE (almost 2000 years later) because Arabs are descended from the Neo-Assyrian empires that didn't conquer Egypt until then.

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    7. Re:Well duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then have the arabs contributed anything to this world besides destruction, murder, rape, torture, fear, and hatred?

      Arab civilization had a golden age when math and science (especially astronomy) flourished. That came to an end in the 13th century for a number of reasons, but mostly because of the repercussions from political and military failure. The Mongols destroyed Baghdad, and almost reached Suez. The Spanish Reconquista was pushing the Moors out of Iberia. Then the Turks showed up.

      When civilizations are threatened with decline, they tend to become less tolerant, turn inward, and look for scapegoats ... which tends to accelerate decline. Finding parallels for this in the modern world is left as an exercise for the reader.

    8. Re:Well duh by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Be fair: One child. Very much a child when they married, but it was a political thing to tie families together. In accordance with custom he didn't consummate the marriage until she was menstruating, and thus considered an adult by the standards of the time. Today, he would be considered guilty of statutory rape - but those were very different times, and what he did was not really out of the ordinary for a man of some wealth and political importance.

    9. Re:Well duh by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      They were also the storehouse for much of the world's scientific and mathematical knowledge while Europe was going through the Dark Age. Without the Islamic areas preserving (and building on) science/philosophy/math, we'd probably have been set back hundreds of years once science caught back on in Europe.

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    10. Re:Well duh by Matt_J_Harris · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am pretty sure that "arabic" numerals were created in India; they were just brought to the west via Ariaba.

    11. Re:Well duh by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's funny that very few racists are smart enough to be racist properly. It requires good knowledge of history and anthropology to know where to direct the irrational hatred.

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    12. Re:Well duh by Jappus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where are the laws of Moses in Islam? Where are the teachings of Jesus in Islam? Nowhere because they were incompatible with it.

      Read these, they might be illuminating:

      Like all prophets in Islamic thought, Jesus is also called a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path". Jesus is written about by some Muslim scholars as the perfect man.

      Mûsâ ibn 'Imran - known as Moses in the Hebrew Bible, considered a prophet, messenger, and leader in Islam, is the most frequently mentioned individual in the Quran.

      Sure, the specifics of both are viewed through a quite different lens, but the myth, history and basic teachings are all there.

      Being an atheist, I have no stake in either of the many sides -- but at least I try to pay attention to what is and is not in the various beliefs, lest I not just be believed a fool, but let my words prove it. :D

    13. Re:Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3

      While Europe was 'going through the Dark Ages' it wasn't going through the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages is modern revisionist history. During 'The Dark Ages' scholars in monasteries all over Europe were studying and transferring knowledge to each other. It didn't all just pop out of nowhere in the Renaissance.

    14. Re: Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Mohammed married his child bride when she was 5 years old, not 20-30. He had plenty of actual women to direct his attention to until she grew older.

    15. Re:Well duh by mutantSushi · · Score: 2

      Babylonian Base 60 used zeros, initially as empty space but eventually with symbolic representation. They just didn't place zeros on the END of numbers which is technically not necessary information, given the scale of 'unit' used is always separate from the number itself.

    16. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah.

      Some dipshit was quoting verses from the "Bible" that supported killing LGBTQ people.

      I quoted the lobster and shrimp and "divorced women should be put to death" crap and he said, "All that was replaced by the New Testament.

      ???

      I replied:

      BREAKING NEWS: TEN COMMANDMENTS NO LONGER APPLY

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    17. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      Alchemy yes, but not distillation.

      Alchemy means "The way of Egypt" because Egypt is the land of Khem. Yes, that is also where the word "Chemistry" was derived from.

      Also Fermentation, because they really, really, really, reeeaaaally loved BEER!!!

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    18. Re:Well duh by Evtim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looks like we're going to be in a fight, sarge," said Nobby, as the painter very carefully started on the final 'k'.

      "Won't last long. Lots of cowards, the Klatchians," said Colon. "The moment they taste a bit of cold steel they're legging it away over the sand."

      Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me.

      "Shouldn't be any trouble to sort out, then?" said Nobby.

      "And o'course, they're not the same colour as what we are," said Colon. "Well... as me, anyway," he added, in view of the various hues of Corporal Nobbs. There was probably no–one alive who was the same colour as Corporal Nobbs.

      "Constable Visit's pretty brown" said Nobby. "I never seen him run away. if there's a chance of giving someone a religious pamphlet ole Washpot's after them like a terrier."

      "Ah, but Omnians are more like us," said Colon. "Bit weird but, basic'ly, just the same as us underneath. No, the way you can tell a Klatchian is, you look an' see if he uses a lot of words beginning with “al”, right? 'Cos that's a dead giveaway. They invented all the words starting with “al”. That's how you can tell they're Klatchian. Like al–cohol, see?"

      "They invented beer?"

      "Yeah."

      "That's clever."

      " wouldn't call it clever," said Sergeant Colon, realizing too late that he'd made a tactical error. "More, luck, I'd say."

      "What else did they do?"

      "Well, there's..." Colon racked his brains. "There's al–gebra. That's like sums with letters. For... for people whose brains aren't clever enough for numbers, see?"

      "Is that a fact?"

      "Right..."said Colon. "In fact," he went on, a little more assertively now he could see a way ahead, "I heard this wizard down the University say that the Klatchians invented nothing. That was their great contribution to maffs, he said. I said “What?” an' he said, they come up with zero."

      "Dun't sound that clever to me," said Nobby. "Anyone could invent nothing. I ain't invented anything."

      "My point exactly," said Colon. "I told him, it was people who invented numbers like four and, and–"

      "–seven–"

      "–right, who were the geniuses. Nothing didn't need inventing. It was just there. They probably just found it."

      "It's having all that desert," said Nobby.

      "Right! Good point. Desert. Which, as everyone knows, is basically nothing. Nothing's a natural resource to them. It stands to reason. Whereas we're more civilized, see, and we got a lot more stuff around to count, so we invented numbers. It's like... well, they say the Klatchians invented astronomy–"

      "'Al–tronomy," said Nobby helpfully.

      "No, no... no, Nobby, I reckon they'd discovered esses by then, probably nicked' em off'f us... anyway, they were bound to invent astronomy, 'cos there's bugger all else for them to look at but the sky. Anyone can look at the stars and give 'em names. 's going it a bit to call it inventing, in any case. We don't go around saying we've invented something just because we had a quick dekko at it."

      "'I heard where they've got a lot of odd gods," said Nobby.

      "Yeah, and mad priests," said Colon. "Foaming at the mouth, half of 'em. Believe all kinds of loony things."

      They watched the painter in silence for a moment. Colon was dreading the question that came.

      "So how exactly are they different from ours, then?" said Nobby. "I mean, some of our priests are–"

      "I hope you ain't being unpatriotic," said Colon severely.

      "No, of course not. I was just asking. I can see where they'd be a lot worse than ours, being foreign and everything.

      "And of course they're all mad for fighting," said Colon. "Vicious buggers with all those curvy swords of theirs."

      "You mean, like...they viciously attack you while cowardly running away after tasting

  2. Of the Century... by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Using the phrase "of the Century" is a very strong indication it's time to stop reading and move on because it's probably something irrelevant and uninteresting.

    1. Re:Of the Century... by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Especially considering this century is only 17 years old.

  3. Re:So that's where Hillary hid all those E-mails by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's probably where she wants to bury Donna Brazile after today.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

  4. Maybe it's a safe space by pr0nbot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder whether, in today's climate of tearing down statues of famous slavers and imperialists (Jackson, Rhodes etc), people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives. They're like Qatari football stadia x1000.

    1. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I believe current thought is that pyramids weren't built by slave labour, and Egypt had the wealth to afford it when they didn't need their farmers in the fields.

      I mean, yeah, I'm sure a lot of people died because workplace safety standards weren't really a thing then, but I don't think it was due to throwing away the lives of whip-driven slaves.

    2. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.

      And that is where you would be wrong. To a lot of laymen looking at the pyramid as nothing more than a stack for block stacked on top of each other. Then they give it no more thought.

      There was a lot of thought that went into the shape of the pyramids before they build the 3 big ones. It took a lot of trial and error before they could get the 45 degee slope in the those. All around Egypt there are actually dozens of pyramids where the Egyptians where trying to figure that out. Lots of the attempts failed.

      The first step would be getting the blocks there, most of them weighing several tons, from far away locations by barge. Then there is the moving of those stones across land, up ramps and positioning them in place. Did you know that each stone was shaped for the position that it was being placed in. Think about that for a moment. The stones themselves had complex coding systems that said where they went. The even have markings on them that say "this end up."

      Then there is the grand gallery itself. The load bearing stones around that that keep the gallery open are holding up thousands of tons of stone. The shape and fitting of the support stones has to be nothing short of perfect or the whole thing would come down.

      We should talk about the moving parts of the pyramids. Yes, the pyramids have or had moving parts. Once the pyramids where closed up they did this by sliding 100+ ton blocks into place. Blocks, as in more than one. You know those scenes in the Indiana Jones movies where they would break the rock, sand pours out, and the big door comes down? That is probably how they did it.

      I could go on and on but I think you see what I mean. There was the aligning of the pyramids with he stars. Did you know the pyramids had a outer limestone coating? When they where built the pyramids where coated in limestone and the sides where smooth and bright white. The case stones where fitted with such perfection that you couldn't get a playing card between the seems.

      The building of the pyramids for the Egyptians was a task that was on par with the moonshot of the '60's.

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    3. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt .. .A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.

      Part of architecture is the design. Part of architecture is the execution or construction. At the time, constructing them was a feat.

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    4. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by boudie2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a 51.5 degree slope. Saw a documentary recently which said the builders would take a square rock measure 14 units in and 11 down (or vice versa) cut along that line and just keep doing it until it was about 500 feet tall. And then there a slight incline of the sides. All in all it's very impressive and must have been much more so covered in it's original limestone casing and gold top.

    5. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by hendric · · Score: 2

      Don't forget you are comparing them to the modern spectacle of skyscrapers and whatnot, and looking at them after thousands of years of looting and theft.

      Imagine instead that you saw them on the horizon, their sides polished smooth white limestone (stolen to pave roads in Cairo), their peaks covered in hammered gold/electrum, reflecting the light of the Sun. As you approach the sheer enormity of these objects, made by man to praise their God, would strike you in awe. Yes there are temples and other large structures, but this would be something so out-of-the-ordinary, blinding white and visible at night from anywhere in Cairo.

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/history/what-the-completed-great-pyramid-wouldve-lo/

      And the builders weren't slaves but either devoted followers or paid workers.

      https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids

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    6. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I'm pretty sure you are being funny, so the following rant isn't directed at you.

      This is really one of the things that pushes all the wrong buttons I have. Attributing something like the pyramids or Stonehenge to aliens because they think early man was to stupid to figure out how to do it, or some such bullshit. The Egyptians where primitive, not stupid. They where just as intelligent as anyone alive today.

      Actually, now that I stew on it, calling them primitive is bullshit too. They Egyptians at the time had and extremely complex society. They had a complex social order, economic system, and production capacity. What they didn't have was technological advancement.

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    7. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.

      Then you obviously don't know very much about them because the Pyramids are a wonder of math. They are *the* most culturally significant works our entire race have ever produced. The genius they encapsulate are so mind boggling in scope that it shows we are spiritual infants and mathematical simpletons by comparison.

      I don't think our society could produce this quality of work. Ancient Egyptians had the Left brain school of Mathematics and the Right Brain School of Spirituality and the Pyramids are the work of the best of our entire species, Mankind's Opus Magnum. Culturally, they are humanity at it's greatest. The sheer task of designing it, and project managing those with enough skills to build it, alone, is a spectacular achievement.

      A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.

      The Great Pyramid encodes a great deal of information:

      • The Great Pyramid aligns to true north to an accuracy our society is only just achieving.
      • If you draw a Vesica Piscis

        of the Earth and draw a diamond in the oval the corners are equidistant from the centre of the Earth, the North Pole and the great Pyramid (the other edge in the ocean). Somewhat ironically the four points are Water, Earth, Air and Fire.

      • When viewed from above the Great Pyramid is in the centre of all of the land masses of the Earth.
      • It encodes phi in the distance of the Kings Chamber to the tip and base.
      • Take the perimeter of the base and then divide it by the height multiplied by 2 you'll get Pi (1760/560 = 3.14).
      • The length of a base side is 9,131 Pyramid Inches measured at 365.24 Pyramid Cubits is the number of days in a year [9,131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits].
      • Adding the length of its edges produces 43200 which when you multiply it by the volume of the Great Pyramid, it is the volume of the earth, so the Great Pyramid is a scale model of the Earth 43200:1.
      • The length of the antechamber of the King's Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits]
      • There are more coincidences. Circle the flats and corners of the Great Pyramid subtract the circumference of the inner one from the outer one and you get the speed of light. In the same measurement two 3,4,5 triangles on the edge of the square encode the size of the earth and moon.
      • The Great Pyramid is an EIGHT sided pyramid, which can be seen at the Spring equinox, from the air.

      And that is just the fascinating math of the Great pyramid, Pythagoras is said to have derived his theorems from a study of the Great Pyramid and when you look at them this way there is little doubt they are a masterpiece monument to mathematics, which is so much more than boring tombs, IMHO.

      It's like Soviet era construction, but more so: The bigger and thicker you build it, the longer it will stand.

      Sometimes, thats the point. When you build a clock to measure time on a scale of Ages, that's what you do. If you're a civilization that last thousands of years and you generate enough surplus to employ skilled people to build the Pyramids, you can build something to measure the longevity of your society. You can make notes about the zodiacal signs that pass by and figure out things about the Earths wobble.

      The three pyramids align with Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago, whilst the Sphinx aligns with Leo 10500 years ago. Other information is also encoded in the placement of the three Pyramids in relation to the solar system. It maybe co-incidence however it certainly isn't random, especially when you consider that the Golden Ratio is expressed in the distance between the Great Pyramid, Angkor Wat and Easter Island which themselve

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  5. The clues for this have been around for a while? by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought that when the robot that was looking to the end of one of the "Star Shafts" (back in 2002), a chamber like this was hypothesized because the robot came to the "door" at the end of the shaft.

    I haven't keep up with the research for a while, but I think saying that this is the "discovery of the century" is simple hyperbole.

  6. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nonsense. It is easily the hyperbole of the century.

  7. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by MangoCats · · Score: 3, Funny

    Physicists are proud of their new portable mountain scanning X-ray machine, let them have their moment.

  8. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by BlueCoder · · Score: 2

    There have been theories of more chambers in the great pyramid for over a hundred years. There are also theories about chambers beneath the Sphinx.

    The problem is the politics with government Egypt and it's people. They are a very proud people. They want their own scientists to make all discoveries. They want to promote the theories of their own scientists. They are a Muslim nation researching ancient blasphemous religions.

    Next you have international archaeological politics. There are lots of crack pots out there and there are many fringe theorists that are yet to be proven right. "Science" isn't very scientific and it full of politics and prideful people that decree acceptable theories. The crack pots are the ones that are usually on to something but not for the reasons they thought and are usually not allowed near the pyramids unless they have money.

    When it comes to making discoveries the Egyptian authorizes move slow even when they know they are there. They currently know about many potential chambers. While it's good not to rush things they take it to the extreme. No one gets near the pyramids to make discoveries without a sizable donation to Egypt.

  9. What is it they found? by Elixon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dictionary: void = a space containing no matter

    So they found literally nothing? Must be certainly the discovery of the century.

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  10. Might explain something that's always mystified me by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the remarkable facts of Egyptology is how nearly impossible it was to prevent tombs from being robbed over the course of thousands of years. There's never been a tomb found that hasn't been robbed at some point, even Tutankhamen's tomb. Most are picked clean of anything that might be of interest to anyone other than an archaeologist.

    But it always seemed to me, given the scale of the pyramids, that there was an obvious option for deterring robbers: make the scale of the engineering project necessary to find and reach the burial chamber more costly than the value of the goods in the chamber. It's not unreasonable; the cost of even a small pyramid must have outweighed the cost of the funerary goods in it by thousands of times. I'm not talking about sealing the burial chamber with a ten ton slab of rock; I'm thinking in terms of hundreds of thousands of tons.

    It has to have occurred to anyone who's pondered the pyramids that there might be things still left hidden inside all that volume. The thing is there is no way to investigate such speculation without some means of being able to see through solid stone. For that reason the matter of undiscovered chambers in the pyramids has become to Egyptology a bit like questions about perpetual motions machines are to physicists. I even saw one Egyptologist say in response to this news that there was "zero chance" of anything remaining undiscovered in the Great Pyramid.

    But maybe speculation isn't so pointless, now that we in the 21st century actually *can* in a fashion see through solid stone.

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  11. For God's sake, DON'T OPEN IT! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    They never learn, do they? Some things are better left alone, such as a mysterious void in the Great Pyramid.

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  12. Big Void by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA:
    > “There have been many hypotheses about the pyramid, but no one even
    > imagined that such a big void is located above the Grand Gallery.”

    Shouldn't that be long void?

    long void is to void as long int is to int.

    C'mon guys. Let's have consistency on this.

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  13. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by hey! · · Score: 2

    What you say may be true of smaller pyramids, but the Great Pyramid does have internal passageways and rooms. With 2.5 million cubic meters there's plenty of room.

    The medieval castle analogy is apt; to a first approximation the Great Pyramid is solid rock. But you can leave plenty space for a burial chamber and it would still to a first approximation be solid rock.

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