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'Discovery of the Century': Mysterious Void Discovered In Egypt's Great Pyramid (nationalgeographic.com)

New submitter klgds writes: The cavity is the first major inner structure discovered in the pyramid since the 1800s. Egypt's Great Pyramid of Giza -- one of the wonders of the ancient world, and a dazzling feat of architectural genius -- contains a hidden void at least a hundred feet long, scientists said. The space's dimensions resemble those of the pyramid's Grand Gallery, the 153-foot-long, 26-foot-tall corridor that leads to the burial chamber of Khufu, the pharaoh for whom the pyramid was built. However, it remains unclear what lies within the space, what purpose it served, or if it's one or multiple spaces. The void is the first large inner structure discovered within the 4,500-year-old pyramid since the 1800s -- a find made possible by recent advances in high-energy particle physics. The results were published in the journal Nature. "This is definitely the discovery of the century," says archaeologist and Egyptologist Yukinori Kawae, a National Geographic Emerging Explorer. "There have been many hypotheses about the pyramid, but no one even imagined that such a big void is located above the Grand Gallery."

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  1. Well duh by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the teleportation chamber to link with the alien starships when they're in orbit!

    1. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's where the grain is stored.

    2. Re:Well duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Arabs and women....

      The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs. The Arabs arrived in the 7th century ... from Arabia. The pyramids had been built more than 3000 years earlier.

    3. Re:Well duh by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Funny

      You keep your weed in there man!

    4. Re:Well duh by irrational_design · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't tell if you are serious. There were no Arabs in Egypt when the pyramids were built. Or maybe you don't know what an Arab is, or what the difference between Arabs and Egyptians is. Do you think Hittites are Arabs too?

    5. Re:Well duh by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It's where the dead rich guy's servents sealed his 200 concubines so they could starve to death rather than be treated as humans. Arabs and women....

      Ancient Egyptians weren't Arabs.

      idiots and rascism........

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    6. Re:Well duh by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who do you think built the pyramids, idiot.

      Like another poster already pointed out, the ancient Egyptians, which lived thousands of years before arabs even existed.

      Or did you think mohamed invented arabs when he invented allah?

      Allah means "God" in arabic, and Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity - in many ways it's the same religion worshiping the "one true God". So Mohammed didn't invent Allah. Nope.

      I wonder where the guy found all the time between his mass rape sessions.

      It's a common accusation from more base-minded people that Mohammed was a pedophile, which I guess is what you're hinting at. While it might be true that Mohammed had sex with what we consider to be children in the 21st century - I honestly don't know that - I think it's safe to say that this was happening all over the world in the 6th century and would not be some "perversion" unique to Mohammed. It might be inconceivable to you, but moral and ethical standards do change over the centuries.

    7. Re:Well duh by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Insightful

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    8. Re:Well duh by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      is it ring shaped?

    9. Re:Well duh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Who do you think built the pyramids, idiot. Or did you think mohamed invented arabs when he invented allah? I wonder where the guy found all the time between his mass rape sessions.

      I see someone doesn't know their Middle Eastern history. The Great Pyramid at Giza was built around 2580–2560 BCE. Arabs didn't exist in Egypt until after 600 BCE (almost 2000 years later) because Arabs are descended from the Neo-Assyrian empires that didn't conquer Egypt until then.

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    10. Re:Well duh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Are you familiar with algebra (al-jabr)?

    11. Re:Well duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then have the arabs contributed anything to this world besides destruction, murder, rape, torture, fear, and hatred?

      Arab civilization had a golden age when math and science (especially astronomy) flourished. That came to an end in the 13th century for a number of reasons, but mostly because of the repercussions from political and military failure. The Mongols destroyed Baghdad, and almost reached Suez. The Spanish Reconquista was pushing the Moors out of Iberia. Then the Turks showed up.

      When civilizations are threatened with decline, they tend to become less tolerant, turn inward, and look for scapegoats ... which tends to accelerate decline. Finding parallels for this in the modern world is left as an exercise for the reader.

    12. Re:Well duh by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Don't forget algebra and, arguably more important, distillation.

    13. Re:Well duh by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Be fair: One child. Very much a child when they married, but it was a political thing to tie families together. In accordance with custom he didn't consummate the marriage until she was menstruating, and thus considered an adult by the standards of the time. Today, he would be considered guilty of statutory rape - but those were very different times, and what he did was not really out of the ordinary for a man of some wealth and political importance.

    14. Re:Well duh by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      They were also the storehouse for much of the world's scientific and mathematical knowledge while Europe was going through the Dark Age. Without the Islamic areas preserving (and building on) science/philosophy/math, we'd probably have been set back hundreds of years once science caught back on in Europe.

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    15. Re:Well duh by Matt_J_Harris · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am pretty sure that "arabic" numerals were created in India; they were just brought to the west via Ariaba.

    16. Re:Well duh by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Who do you think built the pyramids, idiot.

      Like another poster already pointed out, the ancient Egyptians, which lived thousands of years before arabs even existed.

      The Coptic people in Egypt represent the ethnicity and culture of Egypt prior to the Arabic invasion. Egypt had converted to Christianity before it was overrun by the Muslims.

      Or did you think mohamed invented arabs when he invented allah?

      Allah means "God" in arabic, and Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity - in many ways it's the same religion worshiping the "one true God". So Mohammed didn't invent Allah. Nope.

      Wow. so much misinformation, where shall I begin? Allah is not "god" in Arabic. It is the name of the head god in the Arabic pantheon which was the Moon god. Why do you think there are crescent moon symbols everywhere? Mohammed's people, the Arabs where likely not related to the people of Ishmael. His tribe was likely the nomadic tribes on the Mount Sinai area. Judaism did not even exist at the time of Abraham. It grew out of Abraham but Arabic people had nothing to do with that lineage. Mohammed wanted to make his people monotheistic so he adopted some ideas that he learned from travelling traders of Jewish and Christian background and chose the Moon god to be their only god in his new religion. They still kept all of the traditions from the old Arabic religion. Mecca was the center for worship of the pantheon. The Hajji Pilgrimage to Mecca, the Kaaba, the stoning of the Devil (pillar) , circling the Kaaba, are all from the Arabic religion the preceded Islam. Where are the laws of Moses in Islam? Where are the teachings of Jesus in Islam? Nowhere because they were incompatible with it.

      Calling Islam an Abrahamic religion is pure nonsense. There is no direct lineage. He just copied some ideas and tried to create a new backstory to support it.

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    17. Re:Well duh by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's funny that very few racists are smart enough to be racist properly. It requires good knowledge of history and anthropology to know where to direct the irrational hatred.

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    18. Re: Well duh by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      The Arabic numbers you struggle to count your 6 toed feet with for a start.

      To be fair, those actually came from India. The numbers, not the troll's feet.

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    19. Re:Well duh by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Well, the Hutterites are Arabs, so it stands to reason the Hittites are too. Right? As technophobic bearded men who are very religious, Hutterites are more Arab than a lot of Iranians are.

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    20. Re:Well duh by Jappus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where are the laws of Moses in Islam? Where are the teachings of Jesus in Islam? Nowhere because they were incompatible with it.

      Read these, they might be illuminating:

      Like all prophets in Islamic thought, Jesus is also called a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path". Jesus is written about by some Muslim scholars as the perfect man.

      Mûsâ ibn 'Imran - known as Moses in the Hebrew Bible, considered a prophet, messenger, and leader in Islam, is the most frequently mentioned individual in the Quran.

      Sure, the specifics of both are viewed through a quite different lens, but the myth, history and basic teachings are all there.

      Being an atheist, I have no stake in either of the many sides -- but at least I try to pay attention to what is and is not in the various beliefs, lest I not just be believed a fool, but let my words prove it. :D

    21. Re:Well duh by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Allah means "God" in arabic, and Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity - in many ways it's the same religion worshiping the "one true God". So Mohammed didn't invent Allah. Nope."

      Agreed, the jews invented the "one true God" unless you considered them to have borrowed their deity from the Egyptians since the occult inner teachings of their priesthood tend to support that idea even if the simplified version for the masses of their people was quite different than anything in Egypt.

      "It might be inconceivable to you, but moral and ethical standards do change over the centuries."

      Which is a reasonable argument to make for a man but for not a mouth piece of an infallible deity that defines in an absolute and unchangeable manner what is and is not moral.

    22. Re:Well duh by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think it's safe to say that this was happening all over the world in the 6th century and would not be some "perversion" unique to Mohammed. It might be inconceivable to you, but moral and ethical standards do change over the centuries.

      Human standards do, religious standards supposedly don't. The ten commandments are still the ten commandments, unchanged for thousands of years and it is not up to man to change God's rules. Now I'd say both the churches and their believers do a lot of creative selection and interpretation of what the Bible says to make their beliefs compatible with their own moral compass and modern society, but they never put themselves above God.

      The problem in Islam is that the Quran is not a story retold by disciples of allegories Jesus Christ made where you can make up your own interpretation. Muhammad's words and deeds are Allah's will, it's like his whole life was on stone tablets. If you're saying what he did back then was wrong you're putting yourself above Allah. If you're saying it's wrong now because times have changed, you're essentially saying you can pick and choose the parts you like. These are the things he said and did that are eternal, these are the things he said and did because it was 1500 years ago.

      I mean if would be nice, because you'd get more of the same kind of "secularized" religious we have in Christianity. God loves me, my soul is going to Heaven but I'm not really doing anything religious, I just like the warm and fuzzy feeling of having a benevolent Creator that looks after me. On the other hand, the more religion insists on clashing with modern science and society maybe the sooner we'll get rid of this silly superstition.

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    23. Re:Well duh by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      They did. Credit for their invention belongs to the Indians.

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    24. Re:Well duh by shaitand · · Score: 1

      In fairness, there really wasn't any science going into the Dark Ages. Although, looking at the current articles on the topics it seems the current trend is to try to cater to a more global view that tries to give credit to those who advocated ideas that the scientific method incorporates rather than firmly declare the formal and modern scientific method as the beginning of science.

    25. Re:Well duh by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      So if they all worship the same "one true God", why do the mohamed-psychos believe they need to kill everyone else for the glory of their "one true God". Because it's not a religions it's a murderous cult of crazy nuts.

      The reason is always the same: power and money. Diligent people with an agenda have always taken advantage of weak-spirited individuals to serve their purpose. Islamic extremism is just one example of how faith can be used to radicalize people. The Nazis used the argument of racial superiority, Mexican drug lords use the more immediate promise of wealth and power to lure young, impressionable people... religious extremism is not really about faith... that's just the means to recruit the foot soldiers. The real underlying battle are struggles for power and influence in the Middle East.

    26. Re:Well duh by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Don't forget algebra and, arguably more important, distillation.

      Arabic numerals actually originated in India.

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    27. Re:Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3

      While Europe was 'going through the Dark Ages' it wasn't going through the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages is modern revisionist history. During 'The Dark Ages' scholars in monasteries all over Europe were studying and transferring knowledge to each other. It didn't all just pop out of nowhere in the Renaissance.

    28. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first extant zero occurs in a Jain text.

    29. Re:Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, no Iranians are Arabs. They are Persians.

    30. Re: Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Mohammed married his child bride when she was 5 years old, not 20-30. He had plenty of actual women to direct his attention to until she grew older.

    31. Re:Well duh by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Calling Islam an Abrahamic religion is pure nonsense. There is no direct lineage. He just copied some ideas and tried to create a new backstory to support it.

      So you're saying that Mohammed was just a very successful equivalent of L. Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith.

    32. Re:Well duh by irrational_design · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if you are ignorant or a troll. I'll assume ignorant. Hittites were not Arabs by any stretch of the imagination.

    33. Re: Well duh by irrational_design · · Score: 1

      You do know the Arabs predated Islam, right?

    34. Re:Well duh by mutantSushi · · Score: 2

      Babylonian Base 60 used zeros, initially as empty space but eventually with symbolic representation. They just didn't place zeros on the END of numbers which is technically not necessary information, given the scale of 'unit' used is always separate from the number itself.

    35. Re:Well duh by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The same bastards that caused WWI. Well, they are Polish, Austrian, Russian, and German now. Sad that Persia doesn't exist anymore, but I guess they deserved it.

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    36. Re:Well duh by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Well yeah. That far East they were more likely Prussian, like the Iranians.

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    37. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Egyptians married and bred with siblings and offspring.

      What we deem unacceptable now was the norm back then.

      The Hebrews, Christians and Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

      Jews worship the God of Abraham, Christians and Muslims, acknowledge the main man, but have prophets (Jesus, Muhammad) as amending filters.

      All of the above are batshit crazy.

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    38. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      ... considered guilty of statutory rape ...

      In some places, yes.

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    39. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah.

      Some dipshit was quoting verses from the "Bible" that supported killing LGBTQ people.

      I quoted the lobster and shrimp and "divorced women should be put to death" crap and he said, "All that was replaced by the New Testament.

      ???

      I replied:

      BREAKING NEWS: TEN COMMANDMENTS NO LONGER APPLY

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    40. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      The Dark Ages were during the Ice Age when the Sun was dimmer you insensitive clod, WTF about "Dark," don't you understand?

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    41. Re:Well duh by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I'm a reader and I see close parallels to the decline of current civilization (see Aztecs) where deforestation, climate change (drought) and overpopulation and top-heavy wealth accumulation contributed.

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    42. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Allah does not mean "god" in Arabic. It is a loan word from a much older culture from Mesopotamia called the Akkadian empire.

      Which is a misinterpretation propagated by the slang humans have a tendency to do.

      In those cultures (Mesopotamia, Akkadian ) it was a derivation of a word that meant 'Lofty Ones' in the older culture. I.e God is a contraction of 'gods' because it is the same idea.

      In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".

      And in that language "Gir" is a plural.

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    43. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      The Great Pyramid at Giza was built around 2580–2560 BCE.

      The evidence emerging suggests that the pyramids were built around 10500 BC. One of the pieces of evidence is that all three pyramids align with the constellation Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago.

      The Sphinx also aligns with the constellation Leo in its configuration 10500 years ago, suggesting deliberate intent and you can find similar star alignments for 10500 years ago in other megalithic structures.

      The builders of these structures were not fools or cavemen, you can see that in the complexity of the math represented in the Pyramids, and they are trying to tell us something very important.

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    44. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      Alchemy yes, but not distillation.

      Alchemy means "The way of Egypt" because Egypt is the land of Khem. Yes, that is also where the word "Chemistry" was derived from.

      Also Fermentation, because they really, really, really, reeeaaaally loved BEER!!!

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    45. Re:Well duh by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      You keep your weed in there man!

      I don't know man. I don't want my weed next to Jimmy Hoffa. Or vice-versa.

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    46. Re:Well duh by Evtim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looks like we're going to be in a fight, sarge," said Nobby, as the painter very carefully started on the final 'k'.

      "Won't last long. Lots of cowards, the Klatchians," said Colon. "The moment they taste a bit of cold steel they're legging it away over the sand."

      Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me.

      "Shouldn't be any trouble to sort out, then?" said Nobby.

      "And o'course, they're not the same colour as what we are," said Colon. "Well... as me, anyway," he added, in view of the various hues of Corporal Nobbs. There was probably no–one alive who was the same colour as Corporal Nobbs.

      "Constable Visit's pretty brown" said Nobby. "I never seen him run away. if there's a chance of giving someone a religious pamphlet ole Washpot's after them like a terrier."

      "Ah, but Omnians are more like us," said Colon. "Bit weird but, basic'ly, just the same as us underneath. No, the way you can tell a Klatchian is, you look an' see if he uses a lot of words beginning with “al”, right? 'Cos that's a dead giveaway. They invented all the words starting with “al”. That's how you can tell they're Klatchian. Like al–cohol, see?"

      "They invented beer?"

      "Yeah."

      "That's clever."

      " wouldn't call it clever," said Sergeant Colon, realizing too late that he'd made a tactical error. "More, luck, I'd say."

      "What else did they do?"

      "Well, there's..." Colon racked his brains. "There's al–gebra. That's like sums with letters. For... for people whose brains aren't clever enough for numbers, see?"

      "Is that a fact?"

      "Right..."said Colon. "In fact," he went on, a little more assertively now he could see a way ahead, "I heard this wizard down the University say that the Klatchians invented nothing. That was their great contribution to maffs, he said. I said “What?” an' he said, they come up with zero."

      "Dun't sound that clever to me," said Nobby. "Anyone could invent nothing. I ain't invented anything."

      "My point exactly," said Colon. "I told him, it was people who invented numbers like four and, and–"

      "–seven–"

      "–right, who were the geniuses. Nothing didn't need inventing. It was just there. They probably just found it."

      "It's having all that desert," said Nobby.

      "Right! Good point. Desert. Which, as everyone knows, is basically nothing. Nothing's a natural resource to them. It stands to reason. Whereas we're more civilized, see, and we got a lot more stuff around to count, so we invented numbers. It's like... well, they say the Klatchians invented astronomy–"

      "'Al–tronomy," said Nobby helpfully.

      "No, no... no, Nobby, I reckon they'd discovered esses by then, probably nicked' em off'f us... anyway, they were bound to invent astronomy, 'cos there's bugger all else for them to look at but the sky. Anyone can look at the stars and give 'em names. 's going it a bit to call it inventing, in any case. We don't go around saying we've invented something just because we had a quick dekko at it."

      "'I heard where they've got a lot of odd gods," said Nobby.

      "Yeah, and mad priests," said Colon. "Foaming at the mouth, half of 'em. Believe all kinds of loony things."

      They watched the painter in silence for a moment. Colon was dreading the question that came.

      "So how exactly are they different from ours, then?" said Nobby. "I mean, some of our priests are–"

      "I hope you ain't being unpatriotic," said Colon severely.

      "No, of course not. I was just asking. I can see where they'd be a lot worse than ours, being foreign and everything.

      "And of course they're all mad for fighting," said Colon. "Vicious buggers with all those curvy swords of theirs."

      "You mean, like...they viciously attack you while cowardly running away after tasting

    47. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Calling Islam an Abrahamic religion is pure nonsense. There is no direct lineage. He just copied some ideas and tried to create a new backstory to support it.

      Uhm.. The Catholic church did the same with Christianity.
      When brought to pagan countries they just merged it into whatever was in place there.
      That is why modern Christians believe in hell despite it not being part of the bible and pretty much nothing about Christmas or Easter have anything to do with the Abrahamic religion.

      If Islam isn't an Abrahamic religion then neither is Christianity.

    48. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That came to an end in the 13th century [...] The Mongols destroyed Baghdad [...] The Spanish Reconquista was pushing the Moors out of Iberia.

      When civilizations are threatened with decline, they tend to become less tolerant, turn inward, and look for scapegoats

      There is a complete disconnect between your account of the end of the Golden Age of Arab civilization, and your conclusion. A better lesson to learn would be: don't let your civilization be conquered by raging hordes of barbarians. Which, indeed, has a parallel in the modern world which may be observed by an astute reader.

    49. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      India didn't exist as India back then, where you're getting confused is the contribution from Hindus to the Hindu-Arabic numeral system.

      It evolved from a mixing of cultures, rather than as an outright invention by both cultures, which is why both are typically referred to when referencing it.

      It'd be akin to a numeric system evolving in the Hispanic-American borderlands between Northern Mexico and the Southern US where contribution came from both Northern European origin and Hispanic folks in combination.

      I know, I know, it's not very popular nowadays to imagine that different cultures could mutually benefit each other through sharing of ideas and the subsequently more rapid evolution of knowledge than can happen in a mono-cultural bubble, but, well, that's how it happened.

      It's not even uncommon in fact, it's basically the basis of human advancement since we stopped winging through trees, even the most xenophobic alt-righter probably doesn't realise that when they speak a hateful English sentence the odds are that in doing so they're using a word that doesn't even have an English origin.

      Really, by refusing to engage with people with different ideas all we're ultimately doing is holding ourselves back. Fact is other than the extremists even half the civilians in downtown Raqqa would probably love nothing more than to be able to work with scientific minds in America and Europe if the opportunity was ever realistic and it meant they can design a self-driving flying car. It's only the oppression by the few holding humanity back, and unfortunately that's becoming just as true in the West nowadays where the under-evolved warring chimp type mentalities are currently ruling the roost.

      Still, the progress of humanity has never been anything but progressive, so if history is anything to go by the warring chimps time in holding back the West and humanity will only be temporary.

    50. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Human standards do, religious standards supposedly don't. The ten commandments are still the ten commandments, unchanged for thousands of years and it is not up to man to change God's rules.

      Well, that is until you find in the Egyptian Book of the Dead there are 42 commandments from which Ten were derived.

      They already knew the ending of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

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    51. Re: Well duh by Statistical+Anomaly · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they were showing off their mathematical and astronomical skills by aligning the pyramids and Sphinx with Orion in 10500BC â" in 2600BC. Why 10500? Significant events perhaps.

    52. Re:Well duh by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      When comparing across time different time periods, the rule is simple: if white westerners used to do it and non-western non-whites are doing it now then the former are at fault.

      e.g.
      Me: ISIS just burnt someone alive, the fucking savage bastards.
      SJW: But what about the Spanish inquisition!

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    53. Re:Well duh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      No, that doesn't suggest that the pyramids were built around 10,500 BCE. If what you say is true, it suggests is that Egyptian astronomy goes back that far and that Egyptians had great astronomical charts. Also that says their surveying technology would be good enough to align structures to stars that hadn't been in position for 8,000 years.

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    54. Re:Well duh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      When comparing across time different time periods, the rule is simple: if white westerners used to do it and non-western non-whites are doing it now then the former are at fault.

      e.g. Me: ISIS just burnt someone alive, the fucking savage bastards. SJW: But what about the Spanish inquisition!

      Normal person: both are wrong.

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    55. Re:Well duh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      an atheist has faith that God does not exist

      This is simply false. I do not believe that God exists for the same reason I don't believe Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy exist, which is because there is nothing to show that they do exist.

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    56. Re:Well duh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".

      Gir is very much like Grr which is what dogs do. And dog spelt backwards is god. Coincidence? I leave it for you to decide.

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    57. Re:Well duh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So what? You could probably find a star or two they all aligned with 20,817 years ago, it wouldn't prove that was when they were built.

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    58. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      for fuck sake, you don't recognize the Golden Mean?

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    59. Re:Well duh by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Budget overruns, endless committee meetings, sub contractors who cant meet a deadline to save their lives (literally!), mission creep, management adding new features the infrastructure was never meant to handle, sales promising it to the customer at no additional charge, shipments of materials that are delayed...I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Humans are humans. Our challenges and problems are intrinsic to us, not a product of our mutable environments, methods, and technology.

      So the problems we have in 2017 this will slide a project into the next fiscal year. Apparently, in 10500 BC it will slide a project past a few millennia. Business as usual. SNAFU is the status quo.

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    60. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Wrong, _you_ canâ(TM)t compare.
      The sentence you should be using is itâ(TM)s wrong, not both are wrong.

    61. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      What a bizarre rant, you are wrong about almost every conclusion youâ(TM)ve reached. Decrying well established and accepted views. Letâ(TM)s see
      > His tribe was likely the nomadic tribes on the Mount Sinai area
      Huh itâ(TM)s known where his tribe lived (simply because he is a major historical character) and we donâ(TM)t need you to speculate incorrectly

      > Abraham but Arabic people had nothing to do with that lineage.
      Considering there is a 1000 year gap, you stand alone in the definition of relationship

      > Mohammed wanted to make his people > monotheistic so he adopted some ideas
      Let me guess you are Jewish or atheist, abrahamic religions are built on each other by definition

      >They still kept all of the traditions from the old Arabic religion
      You discovered this all by yourself , itâ(TM)s nothing new all religions absorb or reuse previous sacred days/events/holidays

      >alling Islam an Abrahamic religion is pure nonsense.
      By definition it is, where do you get your information and facts ?

      Ok my post is a bit angry and i canâ(TM)t be bothered to edit it on a phone
        For someone that picked a philosophers name as a handle the post is very very uneducated

    62. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      The question answers is where are Moses laws , presuming is 100% adherents to those laws isnâ(TM)t required hell not one rabbi follows all of Moses laws to the letter

    63. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      No the poster is showing off their unfamiliarity with the word abrahamic and thinks âoeI can figure things out by starting at itâ

    64. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      What ! You are so unfamiliar with the religion you are idolizing
      A) the pope is the representative of GOD, speaks with GODS words
      B) Christianity demands you are absolved and forgiven by a priest (the alter boy rapist kind)
      C) Christianity say you are born a winning piece of shit
      D) a lot of hell fire and brimstone

      So itâ(TM)s not the lovely dopey thing you donâ(TM)t know much about thatâ(TM)s without getting into The Who and how to burn sinners

    65. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Well to be fair non of Jesusâ(TM)s teachings are in the Bible either , the Bible is the
      Musings of people a long time after his death

    66. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the hand waving accusations

    67. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Other than the intentional inaccuracies that you spread to support your point
      how is it worst ?

    68. Re: Well duh by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Itâ(TM)s racist because they Segway into how Arabs are all evil

    69. Re:Well duh by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      In this particular instance, it was politics rather than reproduction. Mohammed had secured a very wealthy and powerful man into his new religion, Abu Bakr. Marrying Abu Bakr's daughter was a way to show unity and establish an unbreakable bond between them and their families. This was especially important to Abu, as his standing in the community had plummeted when he joined what was, at the time, a tiny and bizarre cult.

    70. Re: Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Why 10500? Significant events perhaps.

      It is around the same time as The Younger Dryas a period of sudden climate change when the Ice age ended. The general consensus is gradual climate change, ended the ice age, gradualism.

      However more and more evidence is emerging to support the theory that there was a sudden change that was not completely global.

      The hypothesis for this change is that the Earth was impacted by one or more comets or asteroids assembled like a few kilometres of gravel slushie.

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    71. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      No, that doesn't suggest that the pyramids were built around 10,500 BCE.

      You're right, I made a mistake, apologies.

      What I meant is that the builders of this structure want us to look at this time in our history because it is important enough to build a massive structure like the pyramids to get everyone's attention.

      If what you say is true, it suggests is that Egyptian astronomy goes back that far and that Egyptians had great astronomical charts. Also that says their surveying technology would be good enough to align structures to stars that hadn't been in position for 8,000 years.

      Indeed. The sobering thing though is the Sphinx, claimed to be 4000 years old exhibits the weathering of a structure 35000 or more years old and erosion from thousands of years of rain when there hasn't been rain on the Giza plateau for about 8000 years(IIRC).

      That flies in the face of our conventional view that the history of human civilization started 10,000 years ago.

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    72. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      it wouldn't prove that was when they were built.

      True, my bad, I was posting tired and messed up what I meant to say: that the builders of the Pyramids want us to look at this period of history very closely and they went to a lot of effort to get our attention for when we were sophisticated enough to understand the message.

      So what? You could probably find a star or two they all aligned with 20,817 years ago

      Well they are aligning with clusters of stars in theme with what is on the ground. The three great pyramids align with Orion, 10500 y/a . The Sphinx (a lion) with Leo 10500 y/a, Angkor Wat with Draco 10500 y/a. Stonehenge and Easter Island also align with star clusters (I think a bull at Stonehenge on the hills, with Taurus in the sky 10500 y/a IIRC).

      So the builders have gone to a lot of trouble to make us realize it is deliberate.

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    73. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Sure, however they still built it despite all that. They mobilized a skilled workforce of what must have been thousands of people for a tomb with no names to credit who built it.

      They want us to ask why and they have put an enigma right in our face to solve so we do.

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    74. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      an atheist has faith that God does not exist

      This is simply false. I do not believe that God exists for the same reason I don't believe Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy exist, which is because there is nothing to show that they do exist.

      There is no scientific explanation for consciousness and nothing to show it exists. So your argument has already failed. That shows how poorly thought out your position is.

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    75. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".

      Gir is very much like Grr which is what dogs do. And dog spelt backwards is god. Coincidence? I leave it for you to decide.

      There is a difference between trying to pass of juvenile ignorance as enlightenment and tracing ideas through language. I can see you have difficulty with spelling spelled, so unless you are talking about some sort of weird grain all your trite sentence does is demonstrates stupidity.

      No one cares if you are a infant spiritually, you couldn't read the bible if you tried because it is very complex and probably beyond you. Of course you'll fall back on all sorts of excuses why you won't to try to mask why you can't so I decided, long ago that big ideas, like "God", are to big for small minds.

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    76. Re:Well duh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The sobering thing though is the Sphinx, claimed to be 4000 years old exhibits the weathering of a structure 35000 or more years old and erosion from thousands of years of rain when there hasn't been rain on the Giza plateau for about 8000 years(IIRC).

      According to whom? The last I read about weathering of the Sphinx was not due to rainfall but runoff of rainfall which is different.

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    77. Re:Well duh by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      In any event, the world was a very different (and more hostile) place back then and there are certain things that were sensible at the time but not now. That's different than something that should be morally reprehensible regardless of the time and place.

    78. Re:Well duh by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Be fair: One child. Very much a child when they married, but it was a political thing to tie families together. In accordance with custom he didn't consummate the marriage until she was menstruating, and thus considered an adult by the standards of the time. Today, he would be considered guilty of statutory rape - but those were very different times, and what he did was not really out of the ordinary for a man of some wealth and political importance.

      Be even more fair and recognize that for that "child" there are two ages. The younger age comes from her as an old lady. Is it any surprise she knocked 6 years off her age? If you accept that young age then at the age of 2 she converted to Islam and by her eloquence converted her parents. The other age puts those events when she was 8. By the higher age in most of the U.S. she could marry with parental or judicial consent. It just isn't good for the anti-Islam narrative for her to not be a small child and Mohammad to not be a pedophile under modern law.

      I'm non religious and when reading up on the life of Mohammad could never decide if he believed his preaching or was just a world class "used camel salesman".

    79. Re:Well duh by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Wow. so much misinformation, where shall I begin? Allah is not "god" in Arabic. It is the name of the head god in the Arabic pantheon which was the Moon god. Why do you think there are crescent moon symbols everywhere? Mohammed's people, the Arabs where likely not related to the people of Ishmael. His tribe was likely the nomadic tribes on the Mount Sinai area. Judaism did not even exist at the time of Abraham. It grew out of Abraham but Arabic people had nothing to do with that lineage. Mohammed wanted to make his people monotheistic so he adopted some ideas that he learned from travelling traders of Jewish and Christian background and chose the Moon god to be their only god in his new religion. They still kept all of the traditions from the old Arabic religion. Mecca was the center for worship of the pantheon. The Hajji Pilgrimage to Mecca, the Kaaba, the stoning of the Devil (pillar) , circling the Kaaba, are all from the Arabic religion the preceded Islam. Where are the laws of Moses in Islam? Where are the teachings of Jesus in Islam? Nowhere because they were incompatible with it.

      Calling Islam an Abrahamic religion is pure nonsense. There is no direct lineage. He just copied some ideas and tried to create a new backstory to support it.

      Let's correct your misinformation

      Al-Lah = The Lord. Just like the Abrahamic god is The Lord. Same God same "name" just in a different language. Moslems originally prayed to Jerusalem (some still do). Mohammad tried to unify his followers with the Jews in Jerusalem with him as their new prophet. When the news came to him during prayer that the Jewish leaders had rejected him THEN he turned and prayed towards Mecca.

      Mohammad was a native of Mecca and not once but 3 times his followers were expelled because the worshipers of the "old gods" thought they were too numerous and dangerous to the old ways. When the first group went to a nearby Christian country the King questioned them on their beliefs and accepted them as Christian Subjects.

      Tell you what. how about you look for some books on the history of Islam and the life of Mohammad that were written neither by Moslems or by people who hate Moslems and get some honest facts rather than your nonsense.

      Not religious but when I read up on Islamic history it reminded me so much of Christian history in the things they did and believed.

    80. Re:Well duh by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Agnostics are more like "I know there is no evidence, but just maybe there still is something"..

      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is the agnostic thinking.

    81. Re:Well duh by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The sobering thing though is the Sphinx, claimed to be 4000 years old exhibits the weathering of a structure 35000 or more years old and erosion from thousands of years of rain when there hasn't been rain on the Giza plateau for about 8000 years(IIRC).

      According to whom? The last I read about weathering of the Sphinx was not due to rainfall but runoff of rainfall which is different.

      Apologies, I did not see your reply.

      I see what you mean about the sheet runoff, the implication being that chemical changes to the limestone may make it more susceptible to erosion, it's a good point. I reviewed my knowledge about the 35,000 year claim and found it was a documentary and the geologist concerned was expressing an opinion that the quarry structure looked between 35000 and 120000 years old. From the supporting evidence in research papers, you sent and I found it would seem that geologists are reluctant to challenge the archaeologists established dogma at this time. Thank you for helping me evolve my knowledge.

      What the new geological evidence presents is a challenge to the claim that the Sphinx is 4000 years old. The structure could not have started to erode before it was built, or have water erosion after Giza turned to a desert so that leads me to doubt the archaeologists claims about the age of the structure and the interest in maintaining it. Additionally the Pyramid quarries do not exhibit as much erosion as the Sphinx quarry so it is possible the structures were built at different times.

      As I pointed out in this post astronomical evidence connects the structures to their zodiacal counterparts. If you accept the alignment of the sphinx to Leo then the structure is over twice the age the archaeologists claim. Of course until astronomers and geologists present more evidence to challenge the established archaeological dogma it's all conjecture, however the math encoded into the great pyramid shows it was a sophisticated society that didn't do things by accident.

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  2. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Finally! The mystery of Al Capone's vaults will be solved! Call Geraldo!

    1. Re:Finally! by number6x · · Score: 1

      It's full of paintings of Elvis. Velvet paintings.

    2. Re:Finally! by jarlsberg71 · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but it made me think of it.

      “I am the foremost collector of velvet Elvii in the city of Chicago," I said at once.
      "Elvii?" Marcone inquired.
      "The plural would be Elvises, I guess," I said. "But if I say that too often, I start muttering to myself and calling things 'my precious,' so I usually go with the Latin plural.” Jim Butcher, Death Masks

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  3. Of the Century... by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Using the phrase "of the Century" is a very strong indication it's time to stop reading and move on because it's probably something irrelevant and uninteresting.

    1. Re:Of the Century... by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Especially considering this century is only 17 years old.

    2. Re:Of the Century... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Especially considering this century is only 17 years old.

      Not in Egypt. According to the Islamic Calendar this is the year 1439. The ancient Egyptians had two calendars: a lunar calendar for religious purposes, and a civil calendar for government administration, but they didn't have leap years so it is hard to project their calendars to the present.

    3. Re:Of the Century... by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Well if the century were only a few seconds old, it would be really easy to have the discovery of the century.

    4. Re:Of the Century... by BryanL · · Score: 1

      Of course, saying "of the Millennium" would have been ten times worse.

    5. Re:Of the Century... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      16, actually. But that's ok, the math was difficult.

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    6. Re:Of the Century... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      This century started on Jan 1, 2001.
      Look who is stupid now ;-)

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  4. Re:So that's where Hillary hid all those E-mails by bobbied · · Score: 1

    No, that's where they put the proof that Trump colluded with the Russians for safe keeping.

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  5. Re:So that's where Hillary hid all those E-mails by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's probably where she wants to bury Donna Brazile after today.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

  6. Maybe it's a safe space by pr0nbot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder whether, in today's climate of tearing down statues of famous slavers and imperialists (Jackson, Rhodes etc), people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives. They're like Qatari football stadia x1000.

    1. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      that only applies to the west, you should know better than that.

    2. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by magzteel · · Score: 1

      that only applies to the west, you should know better than that.

      The east destroys "offensive" statues too
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

    3. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I believe current thought is that pyramids weren't built by slave labour, and Egypt had the wealth to afford it when they didn't need their farmers in the fields.

      I mean, yeah, I'm sure a lot of people died because workplace safety standards weren't really a thing then, but I don't think it was due to throwing away the lives of whip-driven slaves.

    4. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.

      A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.

      It's like Soviet era construction, but more so: The bigger and thicker you build it, the longer it will stand.

    5. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by kanwisch · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether, in today's climate of tearing down statues of famous slavers and imperialists (Jackson, Rhodes etc), people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives. They're like Qatari football stadia x1000.

      Perhaps people died, which happens even in modern times on modern construction projects, but there is evidence they were not slaves. Maybe you weren't trying to infer that, but that's how your post came across to me given the Confederate reference.

      https://harvardmagazine.com/20...

    6. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether, in today's climate of tearing down statues of famous slavers and imperialists (Jackson, Rhodes etc), people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives. They're like Qatari football stadia x1000.

      I hope you're not legitimately having trouble differentiating structures built thousands of years ago to celebrate gods with statues built a little over 100 years ago to remind black people that the whites were still in charge.

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    7. Re: Maybe it's a safe space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because you don't know jack shit about building large things.
      And just FYI, early attempts at building big structures were indeed just huge piles of dirt.

    8. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.

      And that is where you would be wrong. To a lot of laymen looking at the pyramid as nothing more than a stack for block stacked on top of each other. Then they give it no more thought.

      There was a lot of thought that went into the shape of the pyramids before they build the 3 big ones. It took a lot of trial and error before they could get the 45 degee slope in the those. All around Egypt there are actually dozens of pyramids where the Egyptians where trying to figure that out. Lots of the attempts failed.

      The first step would be getting the blocks there, most of them weighing several tons, from far away locations by barge. Then there is the moving of those stones across land, up ramps and positioning them in place. Did you know that each stone was shaped for the position that it was being placed in. Think about that for a moment. The stones themselves had complex coding systems that said where they went. The even have markings on them that say "this end up."

      Then there is the grand gallery itself. The load bearing stones around that that keep the gallery open are holding up thousands of tons of stone. The shape and fitting of the support stones has to be nothing short of perfect or the whole thing would come down.

      We should talk about the moving parts of the pyramids. Yes, the pyramids have or had moving parts. Once the pyramids where closed up they did this by sliding 100+ ton blocks into place. Blocks, as in more than one. You know those scenes in the Indiana Jones movies where they would break the rock, sand pours out, and the big door comes down? That is probably how they did it.

      I could go on and on but I think you see what I mean. There was the aligning of the pyramids with he stars. Did you know the pyramids had a outer limestone coating? When they where built the pyramids where coated in limestone and the sides where smooth and bright white. The case stones where fitted with such perfection that you couldn't get a playing card between the seems.

      The building of the pyramids for the Egyptians was a task that was on par with the moonshot of the '60's.

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    9. Re: Maybe it's a safe space by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Slavery still exists, but it's called "9 to 5".

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    10. Re: Maybe it's a safe space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Slavery still exists, but it's called "9 to 5".

      I know that's a joke; but, to even equate the two is a little offensive.

    11. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether, in today's climate of tearing down statues of famous slavers and imperialists (Jackson, Rhodes etc), people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives. They're like Qatari football stadia x1000.

      Other than the difference that confederate statues have a much smaller footprint than the pyramids and would require lots of labor and equipment to remove. That and many statues were erected long after the Civil War to intimidate the local African-Americans.

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    12. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      "I hope you're not legitimately having trouble differentiating structures built thousands of years ago to celebrate gods with statues built a little over 100 years ago to remind black people that the whites were still in charge."

      I hope you're not legitimately suggesting that those confederate statues were built to frighten the blacks. Might as well say that statues of JFK were built to glorify womanizing and to terrify women.

    13. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt .. .A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.

      Part of architecture is the design. Part of architecture is the execution or construction. At the time, constructing them was a feat.

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    14. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      Slavery has been invented many times over. No point to blame any particular ethnic groups - human beings of all walks of life have enthusiastically engaged in this activity probably forever.

    15. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by boudie2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a 51.5 degree slope. Saw a documentary recently which said the builders would take a square rock measure 14 units in and 11 down (or vice versa) cut along that line and just keep doing it until it was about 500 feet tall. And then there a slight incline of the sides. All in all it's very impressive and must have been much more so covered in it's original limestone casing and gold top.

    16. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure from that cutaway view, the Great Pyramid is a bong.

      Typical of Man's hubris, to look at the Alien Space Bong and claim "I built that"!

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    17. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by judoguy · · Score: 1

      ... people would advocate tearing down the pyramids which, for all their architectural genius, were built at a cost of thousands of lives.

      Definitely tear it down. Carefully cataloging every piece and location. Measure and photograph exhaustively and then re-assemble exactly.

      Then we'd know. No more guesses or conspiracies. We'd just know.

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    18. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by hendric · · Score: 2

      Don't forget you are comparing them to the modern spectacle of skyscrapers and whatnot, and looking at them after thousands of years of looting and theft.

      Imagine instead that you saw them on the horizon, their sides polished smooth white limestone (stolen to pave roads in Cairo), their peaks covered in hammered gold/electrum, reflecting the light of the Sun. As you approach the sheer enormity of these objects, made by man to praise their God, would strike you in awe. Yes there are temples and other large structures, but this would be something so out-of-the-ordinary, blinding white and visible at night from anywhere in Cairo.

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/history/what-the-completed-great-pyramid-wouldve-lo/

      And the builders weren't slaves but either devoted followers or paid workers.

      https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids

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    19. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Evidence points to the pyramids being built by Egyptian government contractors. Evidence also shows they were supposed to be giant cubes.

    20. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I'm pretty sure you are being funny, so the following rant isn't directed at you.

      This is really one of the things that pushes all the wrong buttons I have. Attributing something like the pyramids or Stonehenge to aliens because they think early man was to stupid to figure out how to do it, or some such bullshit. The Egyptians where primitive, not stupid. They where just as intelligent as anyone alive today.

      Actually, now that I stew on it, calling them primitive is bullshit too. They Egyptians at the time had and extremely complex society. They had a complex social order, economic system, and production capacity. What they didn't have was technological advancement.

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    21. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      I think the real question here is: Where did they get the playing cards?

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    22. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Then there is the moving of those stones across land, up ramps and positioning them in place.

      Actually, there may be sufficient evidence to suggest that all of this was done via the power of water too. The pyramid's subterranean chamber may have functioned as a hydraulic ram pump, filling some form of temporary lock structure to lift each stone block up and into place.

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    23. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.

      Then you obviously don't know very much about them because the Pyramids are a wonder of math. They are *the* most culturally significant works our entire race have ever produced. The genius they encapsulate are so mind boggling in scope that it shows we are spiritual infants and mathematical simpletons by comparison.

      I don't think our society could produce this quality of work. Ancient Egyptians had the Left brain school of Mathematics and the Right Brain School of Spirituality and the Pyramids are the work of the best of our entire species, Mankind's Opus Magnum. Culturally, they are humanity at it's greatest. The sheer task of designing it, and project managing those with enough skills to build it, alone, is a spectacular achievement.

      A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.

      The Great Pyramid encodes a great deal of information:

      • The Great Pyramid aligns to true north to an accuracy our society is only just achieving.
      • If you draw a Vesica Piscis

        of the Earth and draw a diamond in the oval the corners are equidistant from the centre of the Earth, the North Pole and the great Pyramid (the other edge in the ocean). Somewhat ironically the four points are Water, Earth, Air and Fire.

      • When viewed from above the Great Pyramid is in the centre of all of the land masses of the Earth.
      • It encodes phi in the distance of the Kings Chamber to the tip and base.
      • Take the perimeter of the base and then divide it by the height multiplied by 2 you'll get Pi (1760/560 = 3.14).
      • The length of a base side is 9,131 Pyramid Inches measured at 365.24 Pyramid Cubits is the number of days in a year [9,131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits].
      • Adding the length of its edges produces 43200 which when you multiply it by the volume of the Great Pyramid, it is the volume of the earth, so the Great Pyramid is a scale model of the Earth 43200:1.
      • The length of the antechamber of the King's Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits]
      • There are more coincidences. Circle the flats and corners of the Great Pyramid subtract the circumference of the inner one from the outer one and you get the speed of light. In the same measurement two 3,4,5 triangles on the edge of the square encode the size of the earth and moon.
      • The Great Pyramid is an EIGHT sided pyramid, which can be seen at the Spring equinox, from the air.

      And that is just the fascinating math of the Great pyramid, Pythagoras is said to have derived his theorems from a study of the Great Pyramid and when you look at them this way there is little doubt they are a masterpiece monument to mathematics, which is so much more than boring tombs, IMHO.

      It's like Soviet era construction, but more so: The bigger and thicker you build it, the longer it will stand.

      Sometimes, thats the point. When you build a clock to measure time on a scale of Ages, that's what you do. If you're a civilization that last thousands of years and you generate enough surplus to employ skilled people to build the Pyramids, you can build something to measure the longevity of your society. You can make notes about the zodiacal signs that pass by and figure out things about the Earths wobble.

      The three pyramids align with Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago, whilst the Sphinx aligns with Leo 10500 years ago. Other information is also encoded in the placement of the three Pyramids in relation to the solar system. It maybe co-incidence however it certainly isn't random, especially when you consider that the Golden Ratio is expressed in the distance between the Great Pyramid, Angkor Wat and Easter Island which themselve

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    24. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe current thought is that pyramids weren't built by slave labour, and Egypt had the wealth to afford it when they didn't need their farmers in the fields.

      I mean, yeah, I'm sure a lot of people died because workplace safety standards weren't really a thing then, but I don't think it was due to throwing away the lives of whip-driven slaves.

      Thanks, I thought I had read something similar recently.

      I imagine quite a lot of people died in Medieval times building cathedrals.

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    25. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The Egyptians where primitive, not stupid. They where just as intelligent as anyone alive today.

      Exactly. Human beings have not made some massive evolutionary leap over the last five thousand years.

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    26. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      slavey was invented by black people in africa

      So does that mean they're more advanced than white people? Not sure of your point here.

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    27. Re: Maybe it's a safe space by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "9 to 5" isn't slavery. The other shift (called night shift) from 5pm to 9am is real slavery.

      If you're working 16 hour shifts regularly you're doing something wrong.

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    28. Re:Maybe it's a safe space by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Apart from Hollywood's finest contributions to archaeology, do you have any evidence that the labour gangs who built the Pyramids (and left their graffiti in dark corners of it) were slaves? The records indicate that they were farmers paying part of their tax burden with labour.

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  7. The clues for this have been around for a while? by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought that when the robot that was looking to the end of one of the "Star Shafts" (back in 2002), a chamber like this was hypothesized because the robot came to the "door" at the end of the shaft.

    I haven't keep up with the research for a while, but I think saying that this is the "discovery of the century" is simple hyperbole.

  8. I expect something silly like budget cuts. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it was suppose to be a much bigger chamber, but for some reason they were not able to complete it, so they made a smaller one. However they left the remains of the bigger one in place, as no one would see it or know.

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  9. Ben was right! by AndyKron · · Score: 1, Troll

    Ben Carson's grain storage!

  10. It is empty by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    That void is empty. The alien space ship that was originally hangered there has been moved to the vault A Thiruvandapuram Sri Padmanabha Swamy temple . Citation provided

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    1. Re:It is empty by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      Awesome $22B - now, share that among all the citizens of the country and they can each pay for a month of cellphone service.

  11. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nonsense. It is easily the hyperbole of the century.

  12. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by MangoCats · · Score: 3, Funny

    Physicists are proud of their new portable mountain scanning X-ray machine, let them have their moment.

  13. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by BlueCoder · · Score: 2

    There have been theories of more chambers in the great pyramid for over a hundred years. There are also theories about chambers beneath the Sphinx.

    The problem is the politics with government Egypt and it's people. They are a very proud people. They want their own scientists to make all discoveries. They want to promote the theories of their own scientists. They are a Muslim nation researching ancient blasphemous religions.

    Next you have international archaeological politics. There are lots of crack pots out there and there are many fringe theorists that are yet to be proven right. "Science" isn't very scientific and it full of politics and prideful people that decree acceptable theories. The crack pots are the ones that are usually on to something but not for the reasons they thought and are usually not allowed near the pyramids unless they have money.

    When it comes to making discoveries the Egyptian authorizes move slow even when they know they are there. They currently know about many potential chambers. While it's good not to rush things they take it to the extreme. No one gets near the pyramids to make discoveries without a sizable donation to Egypt.

  14. Re:Discovery of the Century? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    The discovery of the century is Arduino-powered, 3D-printed bitcoin drones that upload 4K photos to the blockchain cloud.

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  15. Re: ... show how it was built... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    As long as we nuke it from orbit.

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  16. What is it they found? by Elixon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dictionary: void = a space containing no matter

    So they found literally nothing? Must be certainly the discovery of the century.

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  17. Re:Space to save building material by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    They still had enough to build 2 more pyramids.

  18. Might explain something that's always mystified me by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the remarkable facts of Egyptology is how nearly impossible it was to prevent tombs from being robbed over the course of thousands of years. There's never been a tomb found that hasn't been robbed at some point, even Tutankhamen's tomb. Most are picked clean of anything that might be of interest to anyone other than an archaeologist.

    But it always seemed to me, given the scale of the pyramids, that there was an obvious option for deterring robbers: make the scale of the engineering project necessary to find and reach the burial chamber more costly than the value of the goods in the chamber. It's not unreasonable; the cost of even a small pyramid must have outweighed the cost of the funerary goods in it by thousands of times. I'm not talking about sealing the burial chamber with a ten ton slab of rock; I'm thinking in terms of hundreds of thousands of tons.

    It has to have occurred to anyone who's pondered the pyramids that there might be things still left hidden inside all that volume. The thing is there is no way to investigate such speculation without some means of being able to see through solid stone. For that reason the matter of undiscovered chambers in the pyramids has become to Egyptology a bit like questions about perpetual motions machines are to physicists. I even saw one Egyptologist say in response to this news that there was "zero chance" of anything remaining undiscovered in the Great Pyramid.

    But maybe speculation isn't so pointless, now that we in the 21st century actually *can* in a fashion see through solid stone.

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  19. Of the millennium... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    So technically if this really is the "discovery of the century" you could also accurately describe it as the "discovery of the millennium" too. Someone clearly missed the opportunity for maximum hype.

  20. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If your employer rapes you or beats you, you can have them arrested and press charges. A slave cannot.
    If your employer orders your family to work, they can just say no. A slave's family, children included, can't say no.
    If your employer orders you to relocate and leave your family behind, you can refuse. Slaves cannot refuse.
    If your employer orders you to work for free, you can refuse. Slaves must work for free.
    If you decide you don't like your employer, you can quit and go find a different employer. Slaves cannot.

    It is popular to compare employment to slavery because you must work in order to live. But the two are far more different than alike, in ways that are of the utmost importance.

    And anyway, why would you expect that it should be otherwise? In order to survive you must eat food, wear clothes, heat your house, etc....and all of those things come to you because others have labored to provide them. You think you should just get all that for free, and give nothing back to them? THAT would be slavery.

  21. For God's sake, DON'T OPEN IT! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    They never learn, do they? Some things are better left alone, such as a mysterious void in the Great Pyramid.

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    1. Re:For God's sake, DON'T OPEN IT! by yuriklastalov · · Score: 1

      Nothing describes the scientific mind better than Hubris.

  22. Fake science, fake pyramids! by Tristao · · Score: 1

    We know the Flood occurred in 2348 BC (when Noah was 600 years young), and all humans were wiped out except for Noah and his direct family (who went on to love each other very, very, very much).
    Now this article wants us to believe that "The pharaoh Khufu, who reigned from 2509 to 2483 B.C., built (the pyramid)"! Do they expect us to believe that it survived the Great Deluge? With those paintings in such condition? No way. I say they were built and painted after God invented the rainbow. Probably by Mexicans. They have pyramids there too.

    1. Re:Fake science, fake pyramids! by anonanimaniac · · Score: 1

      Fun fact, god invented the rainbow as a way to show his promise to humans and animals. I sometimes promise my dog stuff, but I don't think he believes me. Then again I never passed a beam of light through a prism, so there's that.

    2. Re:Fake science, fake pyramids! by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      We know the Flood occurred in 2348 BC

      Nope. That's nonsense, like the rest of your post.

    3. Re:Fake science, fake pyramids! by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      I thought the Pyramids were built by Yule Bryner

    4. Re:Fake science, fake pyramids! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should have hash-tagged #sarcasm, or is that still too subtle these days?

      You could do a big ***SARCASM ALERT*** up front like people do with spoiler alerts. But people would just ignore it and call you a poopy-head anyway.

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  23. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    if the Pyramids got tore down, but they're not symbols any more, they're historic curiosities.

    But even as symbols there's strong evidence that they were built for one of two reasons:

    a. Religion. And I don't hear anyone calling to tear down the sistine chapel.

    b. As a show of power to other nations. To say "Look what we can do, don't mess with us".

    Now, as for those famous slaver monuments, they were built during the 'Jim Crow' era when the south was trying to oppress black people. They sent a very, very clear message: You are still slaves. They were not nor where they ever meant to honor the fallen. They weren't even meant as an 'F.U.' to the north. The historic significance is well know. They were put up to scare black people into submission as part of a broader campaign of terrorism that included both institutionalized violence and general fear-mongering.

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  24. Re:Monument of Slavery by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    In recent light of the political climate, I think we should remove these Pyramids as they are monuments of slavery. Sorry I just could not resist.

    You could not resist posting nonsense? There is no evidence that the pyramids were built by slave labor.

  25. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    It has to have occurred to anyone who's pondered the pyramids that there might be things still left hidden inside all that volume.

    The problem with the design is that there is little volume in the pyramid itself as it wasn't designed that way as it is the world's largest grave markers in a way. Most of the structure is used to support it's own weight. That's a problem with using only masonry as load-bearing members. If you look at medieval castles you'd find that the interiors are much smaller than you think because the walls have to be thick. Later castles that were not used as defense but more as manors or estate homes had much larger interiors.

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  26. Does anyone know what these are? by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    It's some sort of heiroglyphics. Some people say they're supposed to be lights. Or is it just another one of those Erich von Daniken things?
    https://mdw-ntr.com/images/blo...

    1. Re:Does anyone know what these are? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Look like giant knobs with a single big sperm in to me.

      I'll get my coat.

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    2. Re:Does anyone know what these are? by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      So that's one vote for light bulb and one for giant knob.

  27. Thing to thank The Arabs for: by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1
    • Al-Jabra
    • Al-Kohol
    • Al-Ibi
    • the Al-Phabet
    • Al-Titude

    And, most importantly:

    Al-Literatation.


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  28. Call Geraldo Rivera by kenh · · Score: 1

    Tell him this is Al Caponeâ(TM)s vault!

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  29. Re: So that's where Hillary hid all those E-mails by kenh · · Score: 1

    Pity HRC couldnâ(TM)t beat Trump in the general election - I bet she was surprised to learn there were no âoesuper delegatesâ to buy off in the general election!

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  30. One Night In Giza by cstacy · · Score: 1

    I thought the Pyramids were built by Yule Bryner

    No, the pyramids are a show with everything in it BUT Yule Bryner. The void is where Yule Bryner would go, if he were in it.

  31. Big Void by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA:
    > “There have been many hypotheses about the pyramid, but no one even
    > imagined that such a big void is located above the Grand Gallery.”

    Shouldn't that be long void?

    long void is to void as long int is to int.

    C'mon guys. Let's have consistency on this.

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  32. Slave Grave by seoras · · Score: 1

    I think we me have found resting place of the remains of those who built that pyramid.

  33. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by hey! · · Score: 2

    What you say may be true of smaller pyramids, but the Great Pyramid does have internal passageways and rooms. With 2.5 million cubic meters there's plenty of room.

    The medieval castle analogy is apt; to a first approximation the Great Pyramid is solid rock. But you can leave plenty space for a burial chamber and it would still to a first approximation be solid rock.

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  34. Re: So that's where Hillary hid all those E-mails by losfromla · · Score: 1

    One Person, One vote and we'd not have the orange alzheimer's patient running rampant with his diaper hanging out of his pants. That fat-fuck is so fat he can't even close his _tailored_ suit. There just is no way they can add enough cloth while still calling it a suit jacket.

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  35. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    > "Science" isn't very scientific and it full of politics and prideful people that decree acceptable theories.

    "Science progresses one funeral at a time -- Max Planck, originator of quantum theory

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  36. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

    Well, if all the gold stayed buried, the next batch of pharaohs wouldn't have had such pretty grave goods.

  37. Oh man.... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    They found my porno stash!

  38. So this means ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... a cavity search.

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    1. Re:So this means ... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Could be the back orifice.

      Most likely it's where they screwed up. Hidden for thousands of years. Now the world will know they weren't perfect. Oh the humanity.

  39. opening; inquire within by swell · · Score: 1

    "The pyramid is opening!" "Which one?" "The one with the ever-widening hole in it!" -- The Firesign Theatre

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  40. Re:The clues for this have been around for a while by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

    I thought that when the robot that was looking to the end of one of the "Star Shafts" (back in 2002), a chamber like this was hypothesized because the robot came to the "door" at the end of the shaft.

    They did finally send in another probe to drill a hole in the door, revealing a tiny compartment with either a back wall or another door. There has been no further attempts permitted since.

    Not that it matters -- those shafts come from the Queens Chamber, and don't intersect at all with the newly discovered chamber, as can be seen in this diagram. The newly discovered chamber(s) are immediately above the Grand Gallery.

    Yaz

  41. Monument of Skill by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    There is no evidence that the pyramids were built by slave labor.

    And lots of evidence that they were built by people skilled in their craft.

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    1. Re:Monument of Skill by dwye · · Score: 1

      And paid for their labor, with competitions between work crews.

      OneHundredAndTen, quit parroting lies told to wealthy Romans by Egyptian priests (tour guides, really) over two thousand years after the events occurred. Next, you'll be claiming that the Egyptians really won at the Battle of Kadesh.

  42. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I never said that they didn't have internal passageways. They are minuscule compared to the volume of the Great Pyramid. Here's an article discussing the latest voids Compare the volume of the chamber vs the pyramid. Most of the pyramid is solid rock with a little left over.

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  43. Surprised no one said "Sex Dungeon" by WeezulDK · · Score: 1

    I'm really surprised no one has said "It's a Sex Dungeon" lol Those ancient peoples were kinky. Just look at the Kama Sutra.

  44. Re:Pyramids aren't tombs by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    Obligatory Goa'uld reference.

  45. Re:Might explain something that's always mystified by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    The location and shape, along with the newness of this tech make me wonder if the readings might not be a reflection / shadow effect of the gallery, though given what's written that seems unlikely.

    I've long wondered about the nasty entrance that was hacked/blasted -- how those involved decided where to bore and why they thought it was a good idea.

  46. Re:... show how it was built... by dwye · · Score: 1

    Why? We pay the workers just as they did when they were built. Obviously, less beer, and at higher nominal rates (although it might be sinteresting if you convert prices and wages back to ounces of silver).

    Hell, call it re-enacting, just like Europeans reenact Napoleonic and 17th Century battles, the Egyptians can reenact Pyramid construction.

    But then, I am a big Zelazny fan.