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Microsoft Quietly Announces End of Last Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer (zdnet.com)

Ed Bott, writing for ZDNet: If you've been waiting to claim your free Windows 10 upgrade using the "assistive technologies" exception, you need to act soon. In a quiet change to an obscure web page, Microsoft announced this week that those exceptions will end on December 31, 2017. On July 29, 2016, Microsoft officially ended the Get Windows 10 program, which offered free Windows 10 upgrades to anyone currently running a supported earlier version of Windows. But the company left a giant loophole in a separate announcement at the same time. Under the terms of that announcement, individuals who use "assistive technologies" received an automatic extension of the free upgrade offer. Sometime in the past week, Microsoft quietly edited that page, to add "The accessibility upgrade offer expires on December 31, 2017."

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  1. No.. by DanDD · · Score: 1

    .. thank you.

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    1. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with you, I'm finding it more difficult to stick with Windows 7. Monitor scaling (for 4K support) and new processor support (via Windows Updates) seem to be my biggest stumbling blocks. While I can get around the latter rather easily, the former is preventing me from high-resolution upgrades.

      An no. I'm not switching over to Linux anytime soon. Great for servers, but the software I need just isn't available on Linux. Nor do I wish to jump through a litany of hoops just to get it running through something other Linux app. I'm in my early 40's now and tinkering time isn't something I have a lot of these days.

    2. Re:No.. by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1, Troll

      Out of curiosity: what is that software that you need, that is not available under Linux? I do not doubt your assertion, but I would like to know more.

    3. Re: No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8.1 is the upgrade you want. Drop Metro and you're good to go.

      Windows 10 and the architect who designed it can go fuck themselves.

    4. Re:No.. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      To name a few, Altium, SolidWorks, and Adobe Premiere.

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    5. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity: what is that software that you need, that is not available under Linux?

      Are you fucking kidding me?

      My tax software, the software for my camera, my iTunes, my company VPN software (three separate pieces in fact), the software to update my GPS, the software to sync my phone, Office (don't talk to me about open office, it's a non-starter), Outlook (again corporate standard), guaranteed support for my peripherals, and a bunch of other things.

      Using purely Linux and OSS software is a lifestyle choice like veganism ... it can be done, but it requires effort, dedication, a lot of work arounds and it better be something you're committed to. And like being a vegan, it creates plenty of chances to annoy the hell out of people as you (once again) tell them how they should change their life like you did when nobody is interested. In my experience vegans and advocates of 100% OSS are just as annoying and smug.

      I've had Linux boxes since the mid 90s, and quite frankly I've never been able to completely get away from Windows. Half-assed, almost working, partly written and badly documented applications don't always cut it, and are seldom good replacements. They can be made to be good enough if you're willing to live with good enough.

      I like Linux for servers, for certain kinds of development work, and as VM hosts. It does many many cool things.

      After 25 years or so, I still don't find I can fully displace Windows -- even if you have a Windows box as a VM (which is entirely workable these days), there will always be things you either need to accept is a pain in the ass, or just do it on Windows. And I'm not willing to jump through hoops to force myself to only use OSS, I need the task done, and my threshold for building it from a kit is long since passed.

    6. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, I'm quite happy with Windows 7 on my machine. My next machine will come with Win 10 pre-installed anyway. :(

      But I'll make sure that all the Microsoft shit is nuked and I'll install a hardware firewall to block some telemetry. :)

    7. Re:No.. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      I will take note if I see an angry post with your ID calling MICROSOFT EVIL FORCING ME TO UPGRADE in 2020. It is only 2 1/2 years away.

      I see people mad at Microsoft for offering free upgrades and features and this doesn't make any sense. I can understand if what you have works fine and you do not want to upgrade right now, but it is negligent if it is free to not consider doing it unless you plan on dumping your system for a newer one or use Linux in the next 2 years.

    8. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 is only free if your life and privacy is worthless.

    9. Re:No.. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      I see people mad at Microsoft for offering free upgrades and features and this doesn't make any sense.

      Windows 10 is adware/spyware. I would rather pay to be a customer than get something for nothing and be treated like crap.

      I can understand if what you have works fine and you do not want to upgrade right now, but it is negligent if it is free to not consider doing it unless you plan on dumping your system for a newer one or use Linux in the next 2 years.

      Two years of not being a beta tester / guinea pig seems smart to me even for those who plan on eventually downgrading to Windows 10 stalker edition. It isn't as if anyone is missing out on anything useful by not downgrading.

    10. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ur dumb.

      register it and revert back so the upgrade is available when you come to your senses. otherwise its $100.

    11. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pro software. If it required you to run BeOS you'd be running BeOS.

    12. Re: No.. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      No it could be an awful lot simpler and probably run more software but there are holy wars to be fought and potential users to be ridiculed instead.

    13. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Original AC here. I should really create an account as I've been reading for 10+ years now.

      Yes Altium Designer is one. Chief Architect (home design software) is another.

      I'm an electrical engineer in my day job and my hobby is also electronics. More so, I'm in the process of designing my own custom home (Chief). So I use the software all the time.

      Yes, this is pro software, however, most software targets the largest installed operating system base. For example, in the mobile devices world, nobody targets applications for BB10 OS, or Symbian. Why? Because a very limited base would use them, and the alternative app on Android/iOS would be used instead.

      To Mr. Thinkwaitfast, who called me a liar. GFY. That is all.

    14. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical young buck developer, blames the user for the shortcoming of his own software rather than seeing the challenged user as an audience member, and said user's challenges as opportunities to improve.

    15. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not negligent at all, Windows 10 is crappy spyware that can send your machine in an infinite reboot loop at anytime.

    16. Re:No.. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      I see people mad at Microsoft for offering free upgrades and features and this doesn't make any sense.

      Windows 10 is adware/spyware. I would rather pay to be a customer than get something for nothing and be treated like crap.

      I can understand if what you have works fine and you do not want to upgrade right now, but it is negligent if it is free to not consider doing it unless you plan on dumping your system for a newer one or use Linux in the next 2 years.

      Two years of not being a beta tester / guinea pig seems smart to me even for those who plan on eventually downgrading to Windows 10 stalker edition. It isn't as if anyone is missing out on anything useful by not downgrading.

      Yawn. FYI I bet you own a smart phone and use Chrome am I correct? Do you have updates that are less than 3 years old on your Windows 7 system? If you answer yes to any of these guess what? MS already has telemetry data anyway. I am not saying this is ok, but rather it is what it is and the data is not a keylogger.

      It just says hey if you send a request via Cortana to Bing that data will be sent to us etc. I have telemetry on other products too as I like bug fixes. I can tell you Microsoft doesn't have all sorts of information on you and reads your email or looks at your porn habits. They encrypt all their drives and give accounts cryptic SUID IDs.

      Now I could be in favor of laws to prevent this after Equifax but even Ubuntu keeps track of what you do if you use the Ubuntu store.

      There is no technical reason to avoid change other than the time on upgrading. But software needs to be continuously updated and secured as times change and new things added. You have just slightly over 2 years before Windows 7 joins XP and Windows98 and this time they are being nice with a way out. You already have no privacy and Windows 10 has been out for over 2 years now and has stabilized greatly since 2015 which I actually went back to Windows 8.1 for a year believe it or not.

    17. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, that would be antivirus software of course. I require the massive overhead of Windows itself, plus the burgeoning requirements of antivirus bloatware to justify not only the exhorbitance of my PC purchase, but also my compulsion to replace the hardware every 18 months. You Liinux peeps jst don't get this: Windows is not a tool but an end in itself.

    18. Re:No.. by bbourqu · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. I spent 4 years in Linux hell during the mid 2000s and was never able to get away from Windows completely. There was always some proprietary software for work that I had to run on Windows. In addition to that, I had tons of problems with video drivers, audio, poorly written wannabe apps that never lived up to the hype. I finally had to give up on Linux when I was assigned a major upgrade project and my laptop X display kept dying. I've looked at Linux desktops every now and again over the last few years and while great strides have been made, I just have needs that can't be met by Linux. If you can use it, great for you. It just didn't work for me.

    19. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn

      Why can't you just fuck off and accept the fact that the GP doesn't want your shitty OS, you condescending prick?

    20. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Games (for certain definitions of "need").

    21. Re: No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had far fewer problems using Linux Mint than Windows. It is reassuring to know that my computer will not randomly start downloading a 1GB file, consuming system resources when I don't want it to, and then tried to reboot itself when I don't want it to. I can also use a computer more than a couple years without it slowing to a crawl because the update wants far more CPU and memory. Linux drivers generally don't just mysteriously disappear after a major update like happens with older audio drivers left behind by a new version of Windows. There are some benefits to having a strong open source driver developer community instead of relying on a company to support a product they consider unprofitable to continue supporting after a few years.
        I do understand the need for many people to use Windows on occasion for specific apps, but it is not difficult to do a dual boot installation. Linux Mint is a piece of cake compared to Windows in the long-term and consumes far less of my time for system maintenance, upgrades, and configuration. People who tried Linux once in the 1990s or who haven't tried linux distros made easy for first time users, such as Ubuntu Mate or Linux Mint, don't really know how easy it is compared to day to day use of Windows 10.

    22. Re: No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of my older computers run Linux. Windows requires too much to continue running it once a computer gets more than a few years old. I have a decade old system that used to run Windows XP sitting in front of me right now. It runs as well today as the day I bought it because of Linux. Windows is good for the niche use case of a recently bought system that you don't mind it rebooting itself for updates. That kind of thing even pisses off gamers and I don't see why anyone thinks Windows is a better business operating system with that being the case. Microsoft was even kind enough to put Office on the web. All the people complaining about tax software have apparently not learned you can do all of that on the web too.

    23. Re:No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the original poster, but FYI: No, I don't use Chrome or Smartphones. Like many other people I've disabled all telemetry on Windows 7 - there are scripts and one-click solutions for that everywhere on the Net.

      Don't assume that it must be alright to spy on people, because others do it. That thinking is flawed and not everyone is a gullible idiot.

    24. Re: No.. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      So, you fucking agree with him. You have to use Mac and windows instead of just being able to use Linux to do the job you need to do. You're really terrible at arguing.

    25. Re:No.. by tzanger · · Score: 1

      I have been running Altium in a VMWare Fusion (and now ESXi) VM for over 3 years now. Works great, although the caveat on ESXi is that you *do* need a real video card exposed to the VM. It doesn't have to be fancy; I'm using a Radeon 5400 in a Dell C6100 blade server.

      That's been the only real windows-only software that I run. My wife uses Accpac and Quicken on another VM on that server. Everything else I can hit with either OSX (our native OS) or Linux VMs.

    26. Re: No.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8.1 Pro + Classic Shell - Windows Update = Best Windows ever.

    27. Re:No.. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 has a zoom setting. It is nearly as complete as what's in Windows 10. I remember seeing retina Macbook Pros running well with it - even in a VM. There are more compatibility fixes in 10 if an app doesn't behave correctly, but the number of programs are relatively small.

    28. Re:No.. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Lucky for you, they are.

  2. aka, KY lube edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome to the future!

  3. So, how does that work? by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    If I turn on assistive tech in my win 7 install, and go to DL win 10, I'll be able to install it and it will work?

    1. Re:So, how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, you really don't have to do anything "assistive", it's just that Microsoft has left the door open because they promised to keep it open longer for people who actually need assistive technology.

      You just need to go to Microsoft's site and download Win 10. Details here

    2. Re:So, how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you don't even have to turn it on. Just visit this link:

      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

    3. Re:So, how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more of an "honor system" sort of thing.

    4. Re:So, how does that work? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Yes. As I understand even right now the only way you can get it for free is to turn it on with assistance. I could be wrong, but I have not heard about the free offers in awhile.

      It is wise to do it then revert back to 7 at least so your motherboard keys are saved in Microsoft's servers. This is what I did and I gradually switched to Windows 10 pro when it was ready and stable enough and I had a reason to do so. You just use the free download media creation tool and select "I don't have a key" and it will phone to MS servers. If you upgraded for free previously then it willl active without a problem.

      It really is not evil like many here say it is. The start menu is usable and has interactive tiles that update with news alerts and email messages is really the only difference besides a flatter look. You can turn on colors too. Also if you have the pro version you do not have to keep blowing $$$$ for VmWare Workstation as Hyper-V is included for IT professionals and is a much better virtualizer (Workstation is not ESX by a longshot). Ubuntu and FreeBSD Vms are well supported.

    5. Re:So, how does that work? by kriston · · Score: 1

      You don't need to turn anything on. You just download the installer from the web site.

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    6. Re:So, how does that work? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      If I turn on assistive tech in my win 7 install, and go to DL win 10, I'll be able to install it and it will work?

      Na, it's an 'on your honor' type offer. Just go to the correct webpage to get it. You're supposed to be a person needing assistive technologies, but there's no verification.

    7. Re:So, how does that work? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      It is wise to do it then revert back to 7 at least so your motherboard keys are saved in Microsoft's servers.

      This is wise advise, do this. Just get your machine 'registered' so Win10 license is stuck to it forever, then install whatever, can always go back, no cd keys ever needed.

    8. Re:So, how does that work? by Cley+Faye · · Score: 1

      Nothing's needed really. A few week ago, I updated a Windows 7 system to Windows 10. The initial "free" offer was never accepted (at the time, everything available to disable the upgrade from even installing were used). Just got to the page to download the installer, it ran some checks and proceeded with installing and activating Windows 10.
      I'm not sure there's even a reason for microsoft to disable this path. Upgrading older systems to Windows 10 means more computer with it installed, and most people that still have old systems are unlikely to actually buy it standalone. Instead their next time buying Windows 10 will be with a new computer, as they are also unlikely to try to move it from one system to another.

    9. Re:So, how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A wise person wouldn't even consider downgrading to Spyware 10.

      Besides, it's not like you can't just download a cracked enterprise copy at any time. Who gives a fuck what fake deadlines Microsoft uses in order to get the impulse shoppers to bite?

    10. Re:So, how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more an ad serving, data collecting, control seizing sort of thing. Microsoft wants people on Windows 10 and doesn't care if they pay for it with cash up front, because they will be paying for it as long as they use it.

      Just wait until Microsoft decides that Windows 10 has hit saturation and they drop the subscription bomb on everyone. Sure, you can continue to use Windows 10 without paying money, but it will mean even more data collection (only paying subscribers can switch the spyware to "Basic" (but not to off)) and advertising delivered right to the desktops of the freemium morons.

    11. Re:So, how does that work? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And you don't even need to do it as an upgrade. You can even just use a Windows 7 key.

  4. Now watch: no one will buy it. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Watch their sales numbers plummet. :-)
    Where is your 'adoption rate' now, Miscreant-o-soft?

    1. Re:Now watch: no one will buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah their Windows Store was going make them trillions and then reality has hit them and they found the store is shit and has not make much, so they are dumping the free upgrades and most likly now bump the prices of the OS

    2. Re:Now watch: no one will buy it. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, I don't even notice that Windows Store exists on Win10.

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    3. Re:Now watch: no one will buy it. by tepples · · Score: 1

      so they are dumping the free upgrades and most likly now bump the prices of the OS

      How much of the increase in the price of preinstalled Windows OS would makers of laptop, prebuilt desktop, and all-in-one PCs pass on to end users? How bad does it have to get before laptop makers start bundling a GNU/Linux distribution that can run applications other than the Google Chrome web browser?

    4. Re:Now watch: no one will buy it. by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      Watch their sales numbers plummet. :-)

      Where is your 'adoption rate' now, Miscreant-o-soft?

      Come on, how many end-users actually buy a copy of Windows? Microsoft has never made money off end-users. It's the big OEMs that buy bulk licenses to distribute Windows with new PC, that's where M$'s cash comes from. Probably other places too, but definitely not end-user sales of Windows licenses.

  5. Just say - no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those fuckers are back with the spyware offer again? WTF? No! and fuck off!

  6. Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been popping unopened copies of Windows 7 into machines and upgrading them seamlessly to Windows 10 (usually within 24 hours of original install) for the last year without needing any "assistive technology" tricks. Has anyone actually run into any "you must pay to upgrade" or other barriers since the "free for all" Windows 7 allegedly ended?

    1. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been popping unopened copies of Windows 7 into machines and upgrading them seamlessly to Windows 10 (usually within 24 hours of original install) for the last year

      maybe it would take you less than a year if you bothered to open the package before popping it into the machine

    2. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by Linsaran · · Score: 2

      You can use a windows 7 key to install Windows 10. Now this is something they may disable after this 'free upgrade' period ends, but I've found it very convenient when reinstalling on client machines.

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    3. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno, just plugged my wife's Windows 7 laptop in to see if I can upgrade it.

      It doesn't seem to say anything about Windows 10, but I'm kind of hoping that it will upgrade within 24 hours so we can milk a little more out of that old laptop.

    4. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      just save the old installer ISO and at very least it will still install same thing for systems with windows 8 bios keys

    5. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

      I've been popping unopened copies of Windows 7 into machines and upgrading them seamlessly to Windows 10 (usually within 24 hours of original install) for the last year without needing any "assistive technology" tricks. Has anyone actually run into any "you must pay to upgrade" or other barriers since the "free for all" Windows 7 allegedly ended?

      It's true, for a good long while after their free upgrade officially ended, Win7 keys were still activating Win10 without issue. But that's stopped, a few months ago, now you get a message that you no longer qualify for a free upgrade. That ship sailed, I'm afraid.

    6. Re:Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't say anything on its on, they disabled that long ago. However if you download the Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft (yes they provide legit downloads from microsoft.com, just google windows 10 iso) and try installing it with the Windows 7 key then it will most likely accept it and activate just fine, not sure about upgrades from Windows 7 to 10 but that likely works too.

  7. But ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... I suffer from a disability which causes me to miss deadlines.

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  8. Optimistic pakhtash, aren't they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if I'd install Microsoft Genuine Spyware.

  9. Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    I actually wish I could upgrade my wife's laptop to Windows 10 (as weird as that sounds). For over a year now, she's had a problem where her computer says it needs to reboot to finish installing a Windows update. If we reboot, it reports that it needs to reboot to finish installing a Windows update. Nowhere does it say which update this is and no amount of reboots clear this up. I can't even manually run Windows Update because that - surprise, surprise - tells me to reboot to finish an installation before it will move on.

    At this point, my best guess is that her laptop tried to install Windows 10, failed, and she was stuck with a broken Windows installation. I don't want to wipe her system, but a year of searching hasn't uncovered any way to fix this issue. If I could upgrade her to Windows 10, maybe it would break her computer out of the endless reboot cycle.

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    1. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      You can try making a Windows 10 recovery disk on another system that should be able to finish things up.

    2. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can try with WSUS offline updater

    3. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Format clean install windows 10. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't do this. OS upgrades are never as good as a good, crisp format. Good chance to make sure you have everything backed up, removes your years of malware, etc.

      Just installed win10 fresh, it's fine, except for the ads and MSFT spyware, obviously.

    4. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I've had machines locked in this process where they don't actually seem to be installing updates. I fixed it by using an offline updater, this one to be exact; http://www.wsusoffline.net/

    5. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Have you tried a third party Windows Update program? I have used wsusoffline a few times for machines that don't like to do the regular Windows Update for some reason. At least once, it fixed a situation similar to yours.

      It's up to you to trust it, but it works for me. http://www.wsusoffline.net/

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    6. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't want to wipe her system, but a year of searching hasn't uncovered any way to fix this issue. If I could upgrade her to Windows 10, maybe it would break her computer out of the endless reboot cycle.

      Sounds like the problem is your own stubbornness. After an entire year of searching for a solution you have expended many, many times more effort than if you had just backed up the documents and reformatted the machine -- which I suspect is what you will have to do in the end anyway.

    7. Re: Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      +1,000,000

    8. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it wasn't a full year of actively trying to fix the issue. It was a few days of actual work followed by a year of her pressing "remind me in 4 hours" to delay reboots and me occasionally searching Google for additional options that I hadn't tried yet.

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    9. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I'll give it a try.

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    10. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I'll give this a try.

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    11. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      open an elevated command prompt

      net stop wuauserv
      del C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\ /s /q

      and reboot

    12. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you should break up, hit the gym, get a lawyer.

    13. Re: Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont bother with an upgrade, do a clean install into an ssdp

    14. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Hit the Windows Key and type in "Troubleshoot". The Troubleshooting utility can fix problems with Windows Update. Give that a try?

    15. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I had problems with WSUSOffline creating bSOD on systems. If update is erroring out he likely has corruption that needs to be repaired and cleaned out by running the Windows Update troubleshooter and maybe doing a SFC /Scannow for a repair

    16. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by danomac · · Score: 1

      It probably did try to upgrade and failed. I just ran into this today. Open the registry and delete the 'Rollback' key from HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade, reboot, and try getting an update. That actually worked for me, after rebooting, WU worked normally.

    17. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      There is a directory and registry key that tracks the update install process. They need blown away. Just google around. It isn't that difficult to fix.

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    18. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The upgrade works perfectly and has never presented any issues for me. For all intents it is a fresh install.

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    19. Re:Wish I Could Upgrade My Wife's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, just restore from a backup. If you can't do that, then you don't belong on this site.

  10. You could call it that... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

    ... but I'd call it the ability to dodge bullets.

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  11. The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bust by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Windows 10 is still looking like a "has run" in the OS landscape. It is beginning to look as if the only way the marketshare will be increasing is through the forced bundling with new PC and corporate upgrades due to support issues with older versions, and not because Windows 10 is actually wanted.

  12. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    I run windows 7 in a VM for things that require it. Have Windows 10 in a bootable partition I upgraded to test it...it's more resource pig and UI sucks. Microsoft should just go back to the UI that has 25+ years of maturity behind it.

  13. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    Aren't PC sales pretty flat now that they're just commodities? Windows 7 worked well enough, and the newer OSs don't really allow you to do anything you couldn't before, so no reason to pay money to upgrade.

  14. From Under My Tinfoil Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The powers that be have made it inconvenient to hide from their spying today, but, make no mistake, people are looking for places to hide. Windows 10 avoidance, to some extent, is due to mistrust. Even ordinary people put a piece of black tape over their webcam nowadays. Others are creating ways to help lay people hide from the ever more intrusive eye of big brother. It feels like 1984. Once people find ways to hide that work (if that's even possible), they'll start to ban hiding.

  15. Microsoft risking security with 7 and XP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    By getting rid of free upgrades, there will be a large amount of people stuck on 7 and XP. since Microsoft refuses to support past 2020 and 2014.Microsoft should do the right thing on January 14, 2020 and give anyone still on 7 and XP a free upgrade to 10 otherwise the internet will have more wannacrys, petyas and code reds.

    1. Re:Microsoft risking security with 7 and XP. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They will. And still people won't upgrade.

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    2. Re:Microsoft risking security with 7 and XP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had to reinstall 200 VST plugins manually, some of which might cease to work on Windows 10, then you'd think twice before you upgrade, too.

  16. Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tomxor · · Score: 1

    Out of curiosity: what is that software that you need, that is not available under Linux? I do not doubt your assertion, but I would like to know more.

    Software isn't the real problem (honestly that stuff just appears once users reach critical mass), the problem is that Linux doesn't have "lack of choice", and it never will because it's not a product. Linux doesn't need anything more to attract users, instead the prospective users need to value something that is actively shunned in consumerism: an extreme abundance of choice, as the inevitable consequence of the freedoms that underpin the GNU/Linux world.

    This is not compatible with consumerism because it requires a different currency (personal investment), the user must first choose how much time they are willing to invest and the level of choice they want to invest in. I can't see that changing any time soon for the 99% of other OS users that are not technically interested, to most people Linux looks like the complete opposite of a "comfortable" product that they can exchange some moneys for and expect a polished, consistent and unified product... and to be clear, it's not that Linux can't be that, it's that the world that it lives in (it's branding if you like) portrays the something very fragmented and confusing from the point of view of someone who is not interested in investing anything other than money. Even though "Ubuntu" or "Canonical" are about as close to a Linux like product that we can get, they are still considered Linux and part of that confusing world, and so that is still a disadvantage from a branding point of view.

    1. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software isn't the real problem (honestly that stuff just appears once users reach critical mass)

      It is a real problem because the critical mass has to be composed of people willing and able to code the solution they are looking for. All it takes is one piece of software that a user views as critical that doesn't have the same functionality available in Linux and the whole deal is shot as far as they're concerned. If Linux had everything everyone needed, simple economic theory tells us everyone would be using Linux. They're not, so there's something missing (or lots of things missing).

    2. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by chipschap · · Score: 1

      All it takes is one piece of software that a user views as critical that doesn't have the same functionality available in Linux and the whole deal is shot as far as they're concerned.

      What you say is correct, but it can also work in the other direction. I've got things on my Linux system that would be a lot of work and jumping through hoops and buying many items of software, in order to have the same things on a Windows box. And these things are critical to my own workflow.

      I'll admit that my case is hardly the typical case over the entire population of computer users, but it may be at least somewhat typical for Linux users.

      Windows doesn't "win" because of the type of economic argument you quoted. Windows "wins" because it has had massive semi-monopolistic promotion and a high degree of lock-in.

    3. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      GNU/Linux is free software and runs in VirtualBox, which is also free software. What software would you end up having to buy in order to run your GNU/Linux workflow on a Windows PC?

    4. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virtual box is not free. Check the license. You can't use it for commercial purposes without a sun^H oracle contract.

    5. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU/Linux may be the technically correct term, but just so you know, most people get really annoyed by people who insist on calling it GNU/Linux because people who don't know what GNU is don't give a crap when they find out.

    6. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then what's a better term for "Linux systems with a GUI that aren't Android or Chrome OS"?

    7. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      Virtual box is not free. Check the license. You can't use it for commercial purposes without a sun^H oracle contract.

      Everything but the Extension Pack is free software under the GNU General Public License version 2. It's like the difference between Chrome and Chromium.

    8. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple economic theory is more often overly simplistic economic theory, which ignores fundamental reality such as widespread prevalence of monopoly tactics. Microsoft established its commercial dominance of the PC desktop not through building a better operating system, but through a variety of business strategies relying on monopoly power. Most people drive a much crappier car than a Porsche or Corvette. That is not due to the existence of a merit system determining the winners and losers.

    9. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by chipschap · · Score: 2

      GNU/Linux is free software and runs in VirtualBox, which is also free software. What software would you end up having to buy in order to run your GNU/Linux workflow on a Windows PC?

      So make the reverse argument and say, Windows runs in VirtualBox, so just run that on your Linux system if there's Windows stuff that is critical.

      The answer is the same no matter which direction you go ... why bother? If I have Linux critical stuff I'll just run it on Linux and save the extra bother. Likewise for Windows critical stuff. Run it on Windows.

    10. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      So make the reverse argument and say, Windows runs in VirtualBox, so just run that on your Linux system if there's Windows stuff that is critical.

      The difference is that a Windows PC is more likely than a GNU/Linux PC to already have a Windows license.

    11. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by spongman · · Score: 1

      > So make the reverse argument and say, Windows runs in VirtualBox, so just run that on your Linux system if there's Windows stuff that is critical.

      that would make perfect sense if 1) windows wasn't clearly the better desktop environment, and 2) linux wasn't more suited to virtualizing in a terminal.

      imagine if you could run linux software on windows without having to run a virtualized kernel!

    12. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better is subjective, and beyond that the entire user experience is always going to be crap if it takes 2 hours to boot because of updates when you need to use it for a video conference. I know some people are stuck with windows for various reasons but those that defend it have stockholm syndrome, you need to remember that OS don't need to suck so bad.

    13. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Linux"

    14. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      Except "Linux" includes the TiVo OS, Android, and Chrome OS, none of which are designed to run arbitrary desktop applications.

    15. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except nobody calls those "Linux". Android is Android. Chrome OS is Chrome OS. Everybody knows that "Linux" refers to PC Linux distributions.

      You seem to be very out of touch with humanity.

    16. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by chipschap · · Score: 1

      The difference is that a Windows PC is more likely than a GNU/Linux PC to already have a Windows license.

      Which supports my "why bother" statement; if you have something critical, run it natively, whether Windows or Linux.

    17. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by chipschap · · Score: 1

      that would make perfect sense if 1) windows wasn't clearly the better desktop environment, and 2) linux wasn't more suited to virtualizing in a terminal.

      imagine if you could run linux software on windows without having to run a virtualized kernel!

      Well, (1) is a matter of opinion, and I won't argue that point because at some point beyond the absolute basics it's a religious preference.

      As to (2), that may be true (I can't speak to that with any authority) but why wouldn't I just run a critical Linux workflow natively in Linux? And the same applies to your concluding statement.

      The thing is this: I'm not necessarily preaching conversion to Linux. If you like Windows or need Windows or perhaps even think you need Windows, do as suits you best. I'm personally happy with Linux; it does everything I need and does it well so I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

    18. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by tepples · · Score: 1

      So what should one run if one has both a critical Windows-native app and a critical Linux-native app?

    19. Re: Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And the term "phone" also includes a rotary phone, a pay phone, and a red hotline phone to call the president. If you say you're having trouble with an App on your phone, people can still figure out you mean Android or iOS through context.

    20. Re:Linux doesn't have: "Lack of choice" by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Run it on Windows 10.

  17. its about damn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now i can finally turn updates back on without getting the windows 10 update nag error

  18. So how much do they pay you to install it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Btw IHNRTFA.

  19. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm running Linux Mint now... Will never install windows 10. Linux does everything I want it to and is quiet fast. Goodbye Microsoft.

    -Full time C# .net developer used to love windows before the current CEO....

    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm running Linux Mint now... Will never install windows 10. Linux does everything I want it to and is quiet fast. Goodbye Microsoft.

      I have been running Fedora (current is Fedora 26 will update to 27 this December) on my own purchased PC's for well over eleven years although I have been running Linux since the late 1990's on work PC's and have never had major issues even though I am an IT consultant and worked for a fortune 500 IT company I could still do what was required of me.

      I put Windows 10 into a virtual machine (I use KVM) on my desktop since it has an i7 processor and transferred my Windows 7 license from my old 10-year-old laptop without any problems although I was careful to go through the customized setup which by default had all features turned on and under those circumstances qualifies Windows 10 as malware. Even with all features turned off Windows 10 updates may turn them back on.

      Even with all features turned off Windows 10 does like to phone home (Wireshark is great). Fortunately, I don't really need MS Windows since there are GNU/Linux applications or workarounds for just about all MS Windows-centric applications. I have not used Windows 10 since.

      If you are a serious gamer then gaming under Linux is problematic although there are over 5,000 Linux based games on Steam however they may not be the latest "trendy " games. Fortunately, I have never been a PC gamer preferring consoles instead (ie. FAT PS3 and PS4) so that is not an issue. I can use emulators for retro gaming if I wish.

      Basically, I have been Microsoft-centric free for over eleven years.

  20. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    Agreed. One of those methods being to ensure that Windows 7 won't be supported with new processors. I have a strong suspicion that Neverware and chrome devices are going to become much more popular, or at least, as far as I'm concerned.

  21. never even needed that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been just installing the win10 upgrade as normal this whole time with no issues, no trick required.

  22. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 is still looking like a "has run" in the OS landscape. It is beginning to look as if the only way the marketshare will be increasing is through the forced bundling with new PC and corporate upgrades due to support issues with older versions, and not because Windows 10 is actually wanted.

    It could have been a Vista "has run" if there would be a Win11, but since almost nobody is actually migrating away from Windows I think the Microsoft term is "success". StatCounter has Windows at a quite stable 83% desktop OS share, it's about to pass Win7 (43% vs 41% at the moment) and on Steam it's 96% Windows with Win10 on top. The enterprise market and other conservative organizations will eventually switch as the EOL date approaches, even if they lose marginally to Apple and Linux or see a bit of post-EOL use like XP I'd say they're on target to bring 95%+ of their existing users to Win10.

    Microsoft has essentially seized all control over updates, upgrades, settings, telemetry, advertisements and will reset your preferences at will without losing any significant portion of their customers, how's that not a smashing success for Microsoft? I expect that once the Win7 EOL is over the frog will begin to boil for real, it's almost so I want to buy Microsoft stock because I think they'll make bank gouging their captive audience. No more passive resistance by not upgrading, it's now one Windows and you're along for the ride whether you want to or not.

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  23. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Outside of slashdot it is not a bust. Steam says so otherwise as corporate markets react slower. Corporate upgrades are starting as you read this with new images and deployments and testing. Not everyone wants a repeat of 2014 when their XP machines suddenly became ghosted.

  24. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    I run windows 7 in a VM for things that require it. Have Windows 10 in a bootable partition I upgraded to test it...it's more resource pig and UI sucks. Microsoft should just go back to the UI that has 25+ years of maturity behind it.

    Funny both Windows 8 and 10 are lightning fast and boot within seconds on my home built computer vs 7. I did turn off CSM (bios emulation) and use pure EFI for fastboot. On an SSD Windows 10 is lighter and uses less battery power.

    MS removed millions of line of code starting with 7 and continued to do so until 8.1 to make things faster and more power efficient. How, does the UI suck other than it looks funny?

  25. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As of last week I was able to activate Windows 10 install using a Windows 7 OEM key. It is in Microsoftâ(TM)s interest that everyone upgrades sooner or later.

  26. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    EOL is just 2 1/2 years away.

    If you have an UEFI firmware it supportes extra partitions for recovery. If I were you I would do the free upgrade this weekend and then when it is done go into device settings -> (gear icon in start menu) -> recovery back to Windows 7.

    Now you are back on 7 but have your keys saved at Microsoft so if you DO need to upgrade 2 years from now you have a free license. :-)

    That is what I did as 10 was unstable in 2015. I upgraded last year with the free media creation download tool and selected" I do not have key". MS was able to activate no problem.

    I look at operating systems like oil changes and maintenance. Software changes even if moores law is slowing in hardware and it is good to be prepared and if your data is important.

  27. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Agreed. One of those methods being to ensure that Windows 7 won't be supported with new processors. I have a strong suspicion that Neverware and chrome devices are going to become much more popular, or at least, as far as I'm concerned.

    Google drops devices after 2 years. Microsoft gives you 10 years. That would be illogical unless they are very cheap disposable devices.

  28. I feel no sympathy for those stuck at EOL by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    You had years to upgrade and plan and unlike XP MS gave you a free way out for over 2 years. You can easily revert back to 7 if you do not like 10 with the recovery tools on an EFI system.

    You can do it this weekend and then in 2019 you can upgrade without a key as MS will have your motherboard ID registered so it is 100% free to upgrade.

    I do not see Apple or Google offering free support and upgrades for 10 years on devices.

    1. Re:I feel no sympathy for those stuck at EOL by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      "I do not see Apple or Google offering free support and upgrades for 10 years on devices."

      Just because some frickin' felon doesn't charge money for hanging up his bag of dogshit on the tree in my front yard every so often, that doesn't mean I'm getting a bargain.

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    2. Re:I feel no sympathy for those stuck at EOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not see Apple or Google offering free support and upgrades for 10 years on devices.

      Google primarily works with open source software projects. That means they are completely and inherently free forever.

      Microsoft, on the other hand, has never provided anything for free.

  29. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    you're confused, fast boot time means nothing when it ends with an OS running a bogged down machine. my ol' Dell Optiplex 980 notices bloat.

    A UI with nondiscoverable controls is garbage, which is what windows 8 and up have. My PC isn't a giant cell phone (and we know how well a cell phone UI microsoft made, the market doesn't lie)

  30. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The only improvements in the UI over Win 7 are for HiDPI and touchscreens. The taskbar for multiple displays is a slight improvement too. Edge is arguably a good browser. The Linux subsystem is interesting.

    Windows Consumer Experience, anti-privacy features, the lack of contrast in raised vs lowered windows, the lack of corners to grab for window resizing, the explorer window is a mash of different UI concepts, the configuration menus are decades of not-invented-here half-assed redesigns abandoned with intermediate versions of Windows.

    There are lots of other features... but they're not improvements. It's mostly awkward decay from what was a pretty good UI years ago.

    Win7 modernized XP, which was desparately needed (64 bit, proper access controls, security features). 10 does similar to 7, but only for HiDPI, touch, but comes at a price. Hopefully whatever follows 10 will be a bit less crap.

  31. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    and not because Windows 10 is actually wanted

    What version of an OS was actually wanted? These aren't iPhones, or Androids where new version brings some fundamental functionality. Windows ultimately even with major version jumps are incredibly minor feature improvements over their predecessor on a platform open enough that any problem you have was likely already resolved by a 3rd party program you installed.

    People don't get excited about basic UI, or some incremental changes unless there's something fundamentally missing in the previous system. Mobile phones are getting to that stage now too. I used to get excited about an Android release, or an iOS release. "OMG FINALLY it can copy and paste!" or similar such fundamental improvements. Nowadays, ... meh.

    Windows has been the same for a long time. If you're security conscious you'll upgrade when long term support expires. If not, you'll update with your new computer.

  32. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has essentially seized all control over updates, upgrades, settings, telemetry, advertisements and will reset your preferences at will without losing any significant portion of their customers, how's that not a smashing success for Microsoft?

    In my opinion there is a danger in simply thinking in terms of market share.

    What percentage of customers jumping ship is sufficient to fund development of competitive alternatives standing an ever increasing likelihood of at eating away at Microsoft's default position? We are in an era of maturing technology and diminishing returns with respect to value gained per input unit of human labor.

    I expect that once the Win7 EOL is over the frog will begin to boil for real, it's almost so I want to buy Microsoft stock because I think they'll make bank gouging their captive audience. No more passive resistance by not upgrading, it's now one Windows and you're along for the ride whether you want to or not.

    Perhaps. Perhaps they end up creating a vacuum in the market that gets filled with something that leads to their undoing.

  33. I feel no sympathy for those stuck at Phenom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for everyone upgrading to a Ryzen system. Which is basically new everything.

    1. Re:I feel no sympathy for those stuck at Phenom. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Except for everyone upgrading to a Ryzen system. Which is basically new everything.

      Different comparison. This is more like AMD offering a free Ryzen update for Phenom II users while users are angry about it.

  34. pay for it and legally MS has to disclose what the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under Canadian federal privacy in Canada (PIPEDA), if you pay for MS software you have business relationship. You therefore have legal rights to verify the accuracy of everything that MS collects on you.

  35. i just wiped win-10 off a new PC by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    windows 10 is a terrible operating system it is basically spamware, i wiped it off and put the only operating system on that matters to me, Linux!!!

    so what does microsoft expect, people to buy their operating system and be spammed to buy more services, microsoft does not want customers they want cash cows

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    1. Re:i just wiped win-10 off a new PC by spongman · · Score: 1

      i think i must have answered "no" to the "do you want spamware?" question when i installed it, because i never see any ads. the only thing i get notified about is when security updates are ready to be installed.

    2. Re:i just wiped win-10 off a new PC by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      the Home or Pro version???

      its not that i hate windows, i just find win_10 personal to be annoying, i heard the Pro version gives the user more control over what the OS and i could tolerate that.

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  36. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by tepples · · Score: 0

    Windows 7 worked well enough

    Past tense. What do you plan on doing in January 2020 (2 years and 2 months from now) once security updates for Windows 7 cease to be produced?

  37. I have a real issue with this by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    I have a real issue with Microsoft calling this an "upgrade". Truth in advertising?

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  38. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    The only improvements in the UI over Win 7 are for HiDPI and touchscreens. The taskbar for multiple displays is a slight improvement too. Edge is arguably a good browser. The Linux subsystem is interesting.

    Windows Consumer Experience, anti-privacy features, the lack of contrast in raised vs lowered windows, the lack of corners to grab for window resizing, the explorer window is a mash of different UI concepts, the configuration menus are decades of not-invented-here half-assed redesigns abandoned with intermediate versions of Windows.

    There are lots of other features... but they're not improvements. It's mostly awkward decay from what was a pretty good UI years ago.

    Win7 modernized XP, which was desparately needed (64 bit, proper access controls, security features). 10 does similar to 7, but only for HiDPI, touch, but comes at a price. Hopefully whatever follows 10 will be a bit less crap.

    You can turn some of the consumer experience off now when you do a fresh install and I always enable "add colors to title bars and start menu" I HATE the white, but you can turn it off very easily. I have dark blue title and start menu on my system.

    Windows 10 offers Hyper-V which is a godsend for IT professionals which no one really talks about as I have Ubuntu and FreeBSD vms for real work besides the WSL Linux subsystem. I have a love hate relationship with VMWare Workstaiton which is on life support after they outsourced the development team. :-(

    I like the tiles because they have news updates and the notification center ROCKS as Windows lacked this for so long.

    Last, if you use a tablet or have a laptop the Netflix, Hulu, and just kernel tuning for power saving mode are nice on the road. My Surface Pro 3 I do ebook reading and watch some movies on occasion at the airport. Try that Windows 7. Windows 10 is also more secure too. NOt nearly the improvement Vista/7 was over XP but still an improvement. Also Windows 10 has MDM mobile device management support just like your IOS or Android device which is cool if you play with Azure AD or VMWare airwatch.

    These are good reasons to upgrade and I do admit it does feel like 2 interfaces are in but it is coming together.

  39. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hat do you plan on doing in January 2020 (2 years and 2 months from now) once security updates for Windows 7 cease to be produced?

    The same thing I've been doing. Keep using it as my Wintendo for Steam games and do all my real computing in GNU/Linux.

  40. Diminishing Returns by easyTree · · Score: 1

    The decision was taken after it came to light that only the single-celled organisms and some species of house-cat have managed to avoid forced update/not chosen to upgrade for free.

  41. Re: Who's really needed the "assistive" workaround by Monster_user · · Score: 1

    Weird. I got that when the download I had going finished an hour after they said they would end free upgrades.

  42. EOL them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can end-of-life all Windows versions for all I care...

    1. Re:EOL them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  43. Re:The free 'Windows 10 upgrade' project was a bus by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...One of those methods being to ensure that Windows 7 won't be supported with new processors. ...

    And that is just the opening salvo with Windows. You have to know that Microsoft is not going to be getting more lax in that area. imo, the Windows subscription model is coming, and coming sooner than later.

  44. I couldn't care less. MS is dead for me. by dddux · · Score: 2

    I couldn't care less. When I saw the abomination of an OS called W8 I said to myself "It's over with Microsoft for me." Since then I've been running Debian and being a really happy camper watching the game they play with masses of people from the side. It's funny once you get away from it and watch from the side. You should all try that. I also have a Debian 9 live DVD with me at all times to demonstrate to people how a real OS works. What Windows 10?! It's a ridiculous garbage of an OS made to annoy users and it's so full of bugs, holes and spyware that it's amazing so many people actually use it. I don't get it. But it's damn funny! LOL Some people will never learn. Well, you get what you deserve, I guess.

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  45. URL to download the FREE Upgrade installer by cciRRus · · Score: 1

    Here is the link to download the installer:

    Customers who use assistive technologies can upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

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    w00t
  46. If only the forced data theft / spying would stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then it might be a good product except for the stupid ass tablet interface on a PC that makes no sense, makes things harder / stupidier, common sense things like flow, intiutiveness are gone. Must be the dumbing down of america kids from the early 2000s must have jobs at microsoft.