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Hole In The Ozone Layer Smallest In 29 Years (weather.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Weather Channel:
The hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica is the smallest it's been since 1988, NASA said. According to a press release, the hole in the Earth's ozone layer is 1.3 million square miles smaller than last year and 3.3 million square miles smaller than 2015... This year, the hole grew to 7.6 million square miles. NASA and NOAA scientists said warmer temperatures and a stormier upper atmosphere helped keep damaging chemicals chlorine and bromine from eating ozone from the layer that protects the Earth's surface from harmful ultraviolet rays... The hole that hovers over Antarctica has been slowly recovering, scientists say, due to an international ban on harmful chemicals that were previously used in refrigerants and aerosols.
The hole was its largest in 2000 and measured 11.5 million square miles. Although recovery is underway, the size of the hole remains large compared to the 1980s, when the hole was first detected, NASA noted. And while there has been significant healing of the ozone layer in recent years, some scientists say full healing is a slow process and will not occur until sometime in the 22nd century, Yale Environment 360 reports. Others expect the Antarctic ozone hole to recover back to 1980 levels around 2070, NASA said.
The hole was its largest in 2000 and measured 11.5 million square miles. Although recovery is underway, the size of the hole remains large compared to the 1980s, when the hole was first detected, NASA noted. And while there has been significant healing of the ozone layer in recent years, some scientists say full healing is a slow process and will not occur until sometime in the 22nd century, Yale Environment 360 reports. Others expect the Antarctic ozone hole to recover back to 1980 levels around 2070, NASA said.
This is a really good demonstration that we can handle serious environmental problems if we put in the effort, and we can do so without substantial economic impact. Yes, global warming is a more large scale problem than ozone depletion but the basic point remains. We've now essentially solved both the ozone hole problem and acid rain, through a combination of market forces, better technology, and government incentives. We can do the same for global warming. Let's actually do that. Unfortunately, over the last few years, some aspects of the right in the US have become so against helping the environment that they are blocking any serious attempt to deal with these issues, and we'll all going to suffer as a result.
That's why we have global warming. Shouldn't have covered it up so some of the steam can come out, keep things cooler. I don't know what NASA is doing, I think for three minutes and I come up with better ideas than all of NASA scientists. This is why Donald Trump got elected wake up.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
he pushed through an amendment to the clean air act in 1989 to ban the use of ozone depleting chemicals
It's a good thing this happened in the 70's and 80's when conservatives were still reasonable. The montreal protocol would have never passed today. Australians and those in the southern united states would be red and blistered and hollering about "hands off my fridge" and liberal conspiracies about invisible rays.
There are no holes in the ozone layer. Fake news!!!
The Montreal Protocol is an international agreement to reduce emissions of ozone-depleting gases. It was ratified in 1989 with leadership from the United States, and has been very successful at reducing the ozone hole. President Reagan and President Bush (41) both supported the Montreal Protocol. Reagan overruled members of the cabinet who opposed the agreement. The State Department under the Bush administration warned that we cannot wait on acting to prevent climate change. History should remember these Republicans favorably as accepting science and taking action to mitigate climate change. Modern Republicans should take note. The Republican Party was not always willing to deny science for the purpose of helping big business.
Causation or correlation?
It just takes concerted effort combined with some scientific advancements.
1) Things we do can affect the earth.
2) If we don't like the affect, we can take actions to undo it.
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Humanity could fix the CO2 global warming issue as well, faster than expected, if united in focus on changing the current status quo.
Thank the maker that millions of Antarcticans don't have to worry any longer about being cooked by UV rays!
Oh wait...
We've had, what four stories this past week on global warming. Now one on the hole in the ozone is shrinking? Can we just stick to tech stuff?
I can't tell if you're serious or joking. I reread your post about 5 times and I just can't tell.
Poe's law. You really can't tell sarcasm from cluelessness any more.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/poes-law
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People laughed at me for storing them, I can now use my cache of 70s era hair spay. Who's laughing now, suckers?!?!?
The Antarctica Treaty prevents travel to the outer known limits of Earth. Territorial claims in Antarctica are sector-based, ending at the 'south pole', whether the claiming country travelled there or not. This is because Antarctica is not a single place, but rather the outer edge of the flat earth.
Space is fake. The Earth is flat.
The hole in the ozone layer is just a myth. It's always been there. It's a result of natural processes. It would cause too much economic damage to fix. We don't have enough evidence. The debate is still occurring. The science is unsettled and we shouldn't rush to a decision before we reach consensus. It would be give other nations an unfair advantage if we crippled ourselves. We will adapt to living without an ozone layer.
Yes. Just one extra detail: The Earth is flat. The Eclipses show it.
The hole in the ozone layer is a myth.
Before we pat ourselves on the back, we should remember that the Trump administration just appointed a man to the EPA advisory board who believes that the air in America is, "a little too clean for optimum health".
No, I'm not joking. That's what he said. .
https://www.independent.co.uk/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
I'm happy to know that after almost three decades of hard work, we finally saved the end zone layer.
#DeleteFacebook
Ozone does not form well at very low temperatures. While a reduction in CFCs is definitely helpful. The only permanent cure for a hole in the ozone layer over the poles is warmer polar temperatures. What we are seeing can certainly be attributed to warmer polar temperatures.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/cold-chemistry-extent-antarctic-ozone-hole-influenced-cold
Very cold temperatures interfere with the formation of ozone (https://phys.org/news/2012-01-temperatures-ozone-degradation-arctic.html) as does free H2 in the upper atmosphere. Not good news for those promoting a hydrogen economy.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/study-says-hydrogen-leakage-could-harm-earths-ozone-layer-but-society-has-time-to-prepare-for-potential-impact-of-hydrogen-economy/177435.article
Excuse me? It looks more and more like the ozone hole had nothing to do with CFCs. It's a natural phenomena and it's probably been there a lot longer than humans have been around.
Don't forget to order your own personal hazmat suit for those days when sunscreen isn't going to cut it.
...to push his Khmer Rouge agenda on anyone.
Trump supporters are trapped in some form of religious stupor. They will continue to support Trump, regardless of what he might say or do. And no matter what he does, they'll always find some intellectual loophole to claim that it is somehow a good thing, even if he drags the world into a nuclear war.
Heck, they would continue to support Trump even if he himself told them to their face that they're all fucking morons. In fact, he already did:
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and people would still vote for me."
And they elected him President for it.
You might want to back that up with some evidence.
It looks to me like your head has been stuffed up another sort of hole for some time.
A fat man thinks he's John Carmack
barely has change for the 25
His name is Chris
Exactly! If the ozone hole had been caused by CFCs as claimed, it would have been gone long before now.
We can't really solve Global Warming until people drastically cut down on meat and dairy consumption. Dare I say go Vegan without drawing out all the trolls? Animal Agriculture pollutes more than the transportation sector.
Yet, time and again, I'm faced with the fact that people don't change. They're selfish. They want others (industry, government, manufacturers) to change, yet they won't change behaviors that drives much of the demand.
Too bad that selfishness will impact everyone but that's how it goes.
"That's nothing."
No, your poetry and karma are nothing, Chris.
" I post a comment and my trolls' IQ drop into the toilet."
Weird, I could have sworn I commented first, you bloated narcissistic fart machine.
" They reply with the most stupidest things."
As stupidest as your crammar, Oh Despicable One? Just more backside noise from our favorite low-carb obesity enthusiast.
One belch from a volcano screws up the weather more than man can do.
Gobal warming is about climate, not weather, so what a volcano does to the weather is irrelevant.
Now, in the past couple of years, after cycle 23, the trend has been for cooler overall temperatures.
How did 2016 end up the warmest year on record if it is cooling?
Cycle 23, just ended, and with it, ended what REAL scientist call the modern maximum (1950's through early 2000's)
Apart from WW2, and to a lesser extent 1916-18 (which were above trend) the trend has been pretty constant from about 1905 until present, so why quote only 1950s to 2000s?
Oh really?
Time to explode a couple more nukes in Antarctica and then blame resulting fallout on people's refrigerators!
Makes dollars, thats for sure!
Fixing the ozone hole (freon) by replacing freon with hydrofluorcarbons was a big mistake, they are far more potent greenhouse gases. Don't pat humans on the back yet, we're not that smart. Ref: https://phys.org/news/2017-11-... Citation provided.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Lol, nice post but you still lost. Move on my friend. We've got this.
It's time we stopped discriminating against ultraviolet light! It travels so far to reach our beautiful planet, only to be rebuffed at the border. Only the great nation of Antarctica has welcomed these ultraviolet pilgrims, and now they are bowing to political pressure! Sad!
barely has change for the 25
Creimer takes the express bus from San Jose to Palo Alto. An express bus pass is $140 per month that he has to pay for out of pocket. The three-letter agency he works for isn't enrolled in the Eco Pass program that allow employers to provide free passes to their employees. An express bus pass is also valid for all bus and light rail services in Santa Clara (not San Diego) County. Whether he has change or not, creimer can get anywhere in Silicon Valley. Don't let this inconvenient fact get in the way of your stupidity.
Weird, I could have sworn I commented first, you bloated narcissistic fart machine.
Pay attention, class! Noticed how this goat fucker is replying to the WRONG THREAD. Creimer is proven correct that the IQ of his trolls drop into the toilet after he posts a comment. Here's a fine example.
How exactly is this inconvenient?
So you're saying the FBI is stingy??
warmer temperatures and a stormier upper atmosphere helped keep damaging chemicals chlorine and bromine from eating ozone from the layer that protects the Earth's surface from harmful ultraviolet rays
Have gnu, will travel.
First it was hair spray...now its car emissions. What's next? Cow flatulence?
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Until 25 years ago every can of spray and every fridge was "powered" by CFCs, since we abolished them the Ozone layer is recovering slowly.
However the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant was the largest emitter of CFC114 into the atmosphere for many years due to the miles of pipes that it used to pump the gas to enrich uranium in the form of Uranium hexafluoride or "Hex". CFC-114 was one of the gasses known to deplete the ozone layer and was regulated by the Montreal Protocol. The Nuclear Industry had an exemption to the M.P so it could use CFC114 in the enrichment process and while it was still operating it leaked over a ton of CFC114 into the atmosphere each day of those 25 or so, years. The plant was closed down in 2013 so it isn't very surprising that the hole in the ozone layer is starting to recover.
CFC114 is the primary chemical input to enriching Nuclear fuel prior to its use in Nuclear Reactors. Several years ago I was curious about this and I used data available from the US EPA web site on licenced CFC emitters and discovered that the largest emitter there was from the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant. Its a shame the EPA has had so much of their potency knobbled for political expediency of both sides because this is a great example of how it produces positive results in the long term.
It shows humans can fix problems when we are open and honest about the data and what it means, that our systems can work when we let them.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
So you are saying the fact that the US is so screwed up is the fault of the Republicans? Great point.
Trump said I'd be tired of all this winning, but I'm not.
I pledge to downvote all Creimer accounts.
All you have to do is link to them from the latest post in his cdreimer account and I'll get around to inspecting them to see if they are really him and I will downvote them into oblivion so that he can no longer circumvent the moderation system here and generate miles of frustrated spam.
Balance is restored to the system and Creimer's reign of terror is over.
PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/ymAzn7U.png
If you are a metamod please return the favor by always making sure to rate his posts offtopic so I continue to get these points.
If the 2017 size is 1.3m sq mi smaller than 2016, how did the hole "grow" to 7.6 million sq miles?
Wow, you sure seem to know a lot about creimer. Boyfriend?
The annual ozone hole is a natural phenomenon, but historically the hole was a small fraction of the size than what we have had since the 1980's.
https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.g...
Compare the 1979-1982 ozone hole size and Antarctica ozone levels before 1983 to after.
That the ozone depletion/ozone hole continued to grow after the Montreal agreement was predicted.
The problem we faced is that the rate of production of CFCs vastly exceeded the rate of degradation of CFCs in the atmosphere so we were facing an accelerating rate of ozone depletion. The ozone hole was growing rapidly in size every year, and the global ozone levels were decreasing.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/...
The problem CFCs and related compounds have a very long lifetime in the lower atmosphere, on the order of a century, and on the order of decades in the stratosphere. Once a CFC is degraded by UV and releases a free chlorine or bromine, the free Cl or Br atom can continue to catalyze ozone to O2 for a few years before the free atom binds with hydrogen and falls back down to the lower atmosphere and get washed out.
Here's a document with graphs showing the continuing post-Montreal increase and subsequent drop-off in atmospheric concentrations.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/...
Here's an executive summary of the situation in 2014.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/...
Actions taken under the Montreal Protocol have led to decreases in the atmospheric abundance of controlled ozone-depleting substances (ODSs), and are enabling the return of the ozone layer toward 1980 levels.
The sum of the measured tropospheric abundances of substances controlled under the Montreal Protocol continues to decrease. Most of the major controlled ODSs are decreasing largely as projected, and hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs) and halon-1301 are still increasing. Unknown or unreported sources of carbon tetrachloride are needed to explain its abundance.
Measured stratospheric abundances of chlorine- and bromine-containing substances originating from the degradation of ODSs are decreasing. By 2012, combined chlorine and bromine levels (as estimated by Equivalent Effective Stratospheric Chlorine, EESC) had declined by about 10–15% from the peak values of ten to fifteen years ago. Decreases in atmospheric abundances of methyl chloroform (CH3CCl3), methyl bromide (CH3Br), and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) contributed approximately equally to these reductions.
Total column ozone declined over most of the globe during the 1980s and early 1990s (by about 2.5% averaged over 60S to 60N). It has remained relatively unchanged since 2000, with indications of a small increase in total column ozone in recent years, as expected. In the upper stratosphere there is a clear recent ozone increase, which climate models suggest can be explained by comparable contributions from declining ODS abundances and upper stratospheric cooling caused by carbon dioxide increases.
The Antarctic ozone hole continues to occur each spring, as expected for the current ODS abundances. The Arctic stratosphere in winter/spring 2011 was particularly cold, which led to large ozone depletion as expected under these conditions.
Total column ozone will recover toward the 1980 benchmark levels over most of the globe under full compliance with the Montreal Protocol. This recovery is expected to occur before midcentury in midlatitudes and the Arctic, and somewhat later for the Antarctic ozone hole.
It turns out, actually, that humans are very good at solving problems. Once we clearly identify a problem, there are a lot of people who are willing to work hard at finding solutions.
True that.
The drop in production of ozone destroying CFCs started well before the Montreal protocol-- humans stopped using the ozone-destroying CFCs without being legally required to.
Whilst not speaking to cause the UNEP ozone secretariat does report on ozone consumption per its obligations under the Montreal Protocol. It reports consumption and effect of ozone through reporting mechanisms.
The US's consumption can be clearly seen using the Data Reporting Tool and it is in line with the consumption of the producer, The Paducah nuclear fuel enrichment facility for the years it was operating.
I think you are right to say that industry did a good job of reducing their consumption, they did. I looked at the EPA data in 2009 and Paducah facilities consumption was five times that of the second largest consumer in the US. Consequently if you look at the UNEP data the US submitted for the years 2000-2016 you will see Paducah's consumption during operation, winding down and retirement was large enough to maintain the hole in the ozone layer.
I would post a link to the EPA data however it is no longer available online.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The conflict in Syria was largely caused by a major drought which from 2006-2011 wiped out 75% of farms and 85% of the livestock across the country.
Yeah, environmental concerns are totally overblown.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
That the ozone depletion/ozone hole continued to grow after the Montreal agreement was predicted.
It astounds me that people on /., who are supposed to be technically competent, don't understand the difference between non-linear short term effects and long term linear effects.
If you were to place an oscilloscope on a 5V power supply, and capture the signal as I increased the voltage to 10V, you would be able to see a ton of non-linear ringing etc. where the voltage actually decreases over certain time intervals. Yet for many on this site, apparently that would prove to them that I did not actually increase the voltage at all!
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Like all climate deniers, you are a stupid (and indeed, selfish) cunt.
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hmm, the last time we had a balanced budget was when Clinton left office. Now I've heard the excuse that it was because of the republican congress but that doesn't line up with the fact that the republicans had both congress and the presidency before and after Clinton and in both cases drove up the debt. Obama inherited an economy that he had to duct tape together to keep stable and you can make all of the excuses in the world but that is just what happened.
once more into the breach
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....that was orbiting regularly near the same area:
https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/11/06/0229237/the-us-has-destroyed-a-critical-sea-ice-measuring-satellite
Mighty coincidental.
Yes indeed. The flying ozone monster is most pleased. Praise be to manbearpig
Because creimer is a shitposting pest. I didn't know who jimmy seville was until he was revealed to be a nonce. I wouldn't be able to tell you who dahmer was if he didn't have a dozen frozen dicks in his freezer. Just because a botnet holds the world record for emails doesn't mean it's got anything interesting to say.
there need to be strict laws to protect our planets from degradation. man doesn't just care what may happen in the next 50years when producing consumables and these chemicals could have adverse effects if not properly handled