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Amazon (and Netflix) Pursue a 'Lord of The Rings' TV Series (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes The Verge: Amazon Studios has been looking for a way to duplicate HBO's success with Game of Thrones, and the company may have found a solution: adapting J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings into a TV series. Variety reports that the company is currently in talks with Warner Bros. Television and the late author's estate, and while discussions are said to be in "very early stages," it is clearly a high priority, with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos himself involved in the negotiations.

Amazon isn't the only one looking into the rights, according to Deadline, which reports that the Tolkien Estate is looking to sell the television rights to the iconic fantasy series to the tune of $200-250 million, and has approached Netflix and HBO as well. There appears to be some strings attached: the rights might not encompass all of the characters in the story. HBO has reportedly passed on the project.

"We can hear the pitch now," jokes The Verge. "It's like Game of Thrones, only with a series of books that are actually finished."

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  1. "... might not encompass all of the characters" by sheramil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, no Tom Bombadil? Again?

    1. Re:"... might not encompass all of the characters" by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...There appears to be some strings attached: the rights might not encompass all of the characters in the story. HBO has reportedly passed on the project.

      So, no Tom Bombadil? Again?

      With the Tolkien estate having caught the greed virus it's probably $250 million just for the rights to the basic story and then a long price list for every one of the main character you want to include, starting with 30 million for Gandalf, another 30 million for Frodo, 20 million for Aragon, 12 million for Legolas and Gimli and 5 million for each of the other company members. The right to show goblin and orc hordes is sold in batches of 10.000 for a million dollars each so if you want a 200.000 man army of orcs and goblins for the battle of the fields of Pelennor it's going to set you back another 20 million. Sauron appearances are sold time wise at a rate of 250.000 dollars per second (that includes showing just the great eye) but we'll throw in Samwise for free, just as a token of good will.

      But all sarcasm aside, perhaps Netflix, Hulu and Amazon should clue into the fact that there are other great works of fantasy and science fiction (The Expanse being an example of a really good one that came a bit out of left field for me when I found it in my Netflix recommendations list) and that they might be better off picking one of those rather than trying to flog the decomposing horse carcass that Peter Jackson and his gang turned LOTR and especially the slapstick riddled (three part!!) mess they turned The Hobbit into in the vain hope that the poor dead critter will pull the stone one more circle around the mill. I suppose that with Islamophobia being in vogue it will be a couple of decades before we get a good filming of the Dune trilogy but there is the Earth Sea trilogy, (Dare I say it) Northern Lights, ... I'm sure people here can ad a few dozen names to that list.

    2. Re:"... might not encompass all of the characters" by darthsilun · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, no Tom Bombadil? Again?

      Or Ghân-buri-Ghân?

    3. Re:"... might not encompass all of the characters" by DrXym · · Score: 2
      This is Netflix we're talking about. If a story can be told in 8 episodes they'll make 16. And Lord of the Rings is an easy 3 seasons. So they'll make 6. It'll be thin, like butter scraped over too much bread as Bilbo would say.

      Tom Bombadil will probably get one all to himself, gaily prancing around the forest and singing for 50 minutes.

    4. Re:"... might not encompass all of the characters" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not really. Copyright keeps getting extended, because Disney will do whatever it takes to prevent Mickey Mouse from going into the public domain. If we take the copyright on The Hobbit (published in 1937) as the benchmark, it doesn't expire until 2032, assuming it doesn't get extended again (which it likely will).

  2. Please no by Ayano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To take a cherished series that already has a complete movie adaption? Either we're watching the events unfold with un-filmed scenes from the books at a slow rate... or we'll be getting non-lore spin-offs in middle earth.

    Both sound awful.

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    1. Re:Please no by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      J.J. Abrams ruined both Star Wars and Star Trek. Let's make it a trifecta and also ruin LotR.

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    2. Re:Please no by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      Now we see the Dark Side of The Farce!

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    3. Re:Please no by fizzer06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pretty sure "J. J." initials stand for "Jar Jar".

    4. Re:Please no by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think we need another adaptation of Lord of the Rings, but I think it would be fucking awesome to get a series that focuses around the Silmarillion. There's enough there to make several seasons worth of a show and you can easily use all of other Tolkien's works set in Middle Earth if the series is popular enough. By the time you get through all of that, perhaps move on to the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings, but when there's so much other wonderful material from the man out there, why retread the same ground, especially when the Peter Jackson movies were quite good for the time and still hold up rather well.

    5. Re:Please no by Scarletdown · · Score: 3, Funny

      They need to make a change to the scene in The Hobbit where Legolas is surfing on the barrels. Have him break the fourth wall by musing about how many kids are going to fail their book reports and out themselves as cheaters by reporting on this scene.

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    6. Re:Please no by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure "J. J." initials stand for "Jar Jar".

      In his Lord of the Rings remake, Jar Jar is tasked to take the ring to Mordor and destroy it. The great wizard, Spock himself, chooses Jar Jar to undertake the journey.

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  3. Missing the whole point by MrLogic17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who's comparing LOtR to GoT clearly doesn't understand anything about Tolkien and why he was writing his stories. ...and if you mess with something you don't understand, you will wreck it. Badly.

    1. Re:Missing the whole point by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Unlike GoT, full nude sex scenes, even between brother and sister, are something LotR is not known for.

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    2. Re:Missing the whole point by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Anyone who's comparing LOtR to GoT clearly doesn't understand anything about Tolkien and why he was writing his stories. ...and if you mess with something you don't understand, you will wreck it. Badly.

      They understand a lot about making lots of money. And really, that's all that matters when making a TV show.

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  4. I know how the Lord of the Rings TV series ends by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    At the end of the new Lord of the Rings TV series, the hobbits must come up against a danger worse than Sauron.

    They must face off against the ghost of JRR Tolkien, whom they end up flogging to death.

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  5. Should have chosen The Wheel of Time. by thedarb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I worry I'll never see it as I imagine it. If only I were a director!

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  6. LotR IS ALREADY a TV series by williamyf · · Score: 2

    Just Slice the three movies and the extra footage in a slightly different way, and ther eyou have it.

    If Amazon (or any other party), wants better material for a TV series, get the rights on "The Silmarillion"...

    Plenty of material, for many, many seasons, plenty of latitude for variation from book to TV (as it was not nearly concluded as is), more sex (including incest, like Game of Thrones), and no pesky comparision to the movies (with it's big budget actors and big budget FX)...

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  7. Enough already by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HBO has Game of Thrones? Alright.

    Unless all you're planning to do is steal their audience, it won't happen. Stop pandering the same audience over and over again. You need something different to grab the people who still don't have Netflix/Amazon Video/HBO Now/etc or who will subscribe to a second or third streaming service.

    Right now, there is a serious lack of real/good science-fiction series. The 100 is good but while it started out as science-fiction, it sort of derailed into a game of thrones clone. What next? A planet of the apes tv show reboot?

    If you don't want to take risks there's plenty of good, well-known science-fiction titles that could probably make a good tv show: Terminator (pick it up where The Sarah Connor Chronicles dropped the ball, it seems the show got cancelled just as it was beginning to be interesting), Predator (not purely science-fiction, but hey, it's a known title), Aliens (plenty of spaceships and colonies to be infested), etc.

    At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reboot of Knight Rider done with a Google Maps car, a Tesla or something.

    Hell, talk to Valve and get the rights to make a TV show from Half-Life/Portal. GlaDOS is the perfect vilain you kinda root for, in secret. She's like a Bond vilain from the old movies.

    What about a comedy spy tv show? Make a show with the worst spies possible, something similar to Johnny English or Frank Drebin.

    ANYTHING except another fucking show with kings, swords and shitty politics and shit like that.

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    1. Re:Enough already by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Informative

      At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reboot of Knight Rider done with a Google Maps car, a Tesla or something.

      Just want to point out, they have rebooted Knight Rider a few times.

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  8. Re:Overrated by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? J.K. Rowling over Tolkien?? Are we talking about the same Rowling who just invents things out of thin air every time she needs a plot device? The same author who invoked time travel in one single plot line but for some reason time travel was never used in any story before or after? I'm sorry, but as a fantasy author, Rowling is awful. I'll give you that Tolkien isn't known for "deep characterization", however I believe his plot lines are far more interesting and logical than Rowling's. Stephen King has incredibly "deep characterization" in The Stand, but that book totally falls apart, invoking deus ex machina in the end because he couldn't resolve the story even after killing off half the main characters. It's purely a matter of personal preference, but I prefer Tolkien's heavy-handed, consistent style of writing that is logical and historic in nature over Tolkien or even King's fantasy works.

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  9. Re:Someone needs to make Dragonlance by gravewax · · Score: 2

    or a series around Drizzt

  10. They have other options by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are so many beloved fantasy epics out there, it might be wise to avoid the almost-blasphemy of redoing LoTR.

    Off the top of my head, I'd do Wheel of Time. Lacking that, then I'd buy the rights to the Stormlight Archive.

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  11. Silmarillion by way2slo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want to make a very good Tolkien based TV series, don't re-hash The Lord of the Rings or even The Hobbit.

    Use the Silmarillion.

    It won't happen as long as Christopher Tolkien is alive, but once the controlling rights to the book are out of his hands it could be done.

    Lots of stories there, The Oath of Feanor, The Fall of Morgoth, Beren and Luthien, & The Rise and Fall of Gondolin to name a few. Lots of brand new characters, except for Galadriel but she does not do much. "Main Characters" die left and right. Still, lots of room to do your own thing. The book spans thousands of years and several Ages, but the series could just focus on the very end of the Age of Bliss to the end of the First Age. Competent writers could get at least 5-7 season out of it with plenty of action. Lots of terrible stuff going on then. 6 Great Battles, plus lots of minor skirmishes. Wurms, Dragons, Balrogs, etc.

  12. Re:DUMB ASS!!!! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    Well it's not your work and you don't get to decide what happens to it. Tolkien's estate gets to decide how much garbage rehashing of these stories get to be done in order to make a quick buck.

    If you don't like it, vote with your dollars and stick to the novels. Preferably used copies so you can short his heirs from even that tiny amount of profit.

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  13. Re:And nobody will watch it by careysub · · Score: 3, Funny

    I find it to be pretty awful, really. Tolkien just prattles on and on and on and on about a bunch of hyperbolic shit. Every location and creature is described in extreme detail only to be outdone by the next that's more fantastical, more evil, more ancient, a taller mountain inside a deeper pit, etc.. And here's a fucking song for no reason. And Hobbit food? It's like the scene in Forest Gump describing different types of shrimp, but it's not funny, nor is it interesting. It's just filler.

    Some nerds call this shit "world building". I call it Tolkien loving the smell of his own farts.

    As I type this the above post is rated "Troll". That seems remarkably appropriate.

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  14. I hope it's the Silmarillion by gijoel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I really enjoy shows about genealogy.

  15. Re:And nobody will watch it by aevan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *blink* but D&D novels were in libraries in 80s. I know my high school library and local public libraries carried them, alongside Eddings, Prachett, and so on. Maybe in the 50s it was the case, but high fantasy novels were rather prevalent from early 80s onwards (at least that I saw).

    You are entirely right on D&D lifting from Tolkein (and other places)...their halflings were just (legally forced/threatened) renames of hobbits IIRC. And there are definitely people who love remakes...just ask the market for "Sports Game! {current year}". Or "This interpretation of classical pierce by so-and-so, as preformed by this-orchestra". To each their own.

  16. Re:And nobody will watch it by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

    I find it to be pretty awful, really. Tolkien just prattles on and on and on and on about a bunch of hyperbolic shit. Every location and creature is described in extreme detail only to be outdone by the next that's more fantastical, more evil, more ancient, a taller mountain inside a deeper pit, etc.. And here's a fucking song for no reason. And Hobbit food? It's like the scene in Forest Gump describing different types of shrimp, but it's not funny, nor is it interesting. It's just filler.

    Some nerds call this shit "world building". I call it Tolkien loving the smell of his own farts.

    It's not that Tolkien is a particularly interesting or gifted writer for the average reader that makes him such a draw. (let's face it, he's actually a little boring- although, I know millions will disagree with me). What makes Tolkien amazing and his works a landmark piece is that he pretty much created a very rich and dramatic genre and alternate universe all by himself. Sure, he took a lot from mythology, but he created a very vivid world different from others before him. Almost every fantasy author who has come along after Tolkien has stolen a little bit of Tolkien (or a lot of Tolkien) in creating their worlds. Most fantasy worlds ARE a rip-off of Tolkien in one way or another.

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  17. Re: Overrated by avandesande · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Eagles weren't really an important part of the plot- the hobbits destroyed the ring. Saving their lives with deux machina was just window dressing or perhaps even meant to allegorical...

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  18. Re:Could be something different by jabuzz · · Score: 2

    Precisely. If we could just turning Aragon into someone full of doubt, and an elvish army turning up at Helms Deep, and the whole "wobbly" column crap in Moria. where the biggest WTF moments in the movies IMHO. Heck the flight from the Shire is utterly incomprehensible unless you watch the extended edition, which gets better but is still far from anything near the books.

    All you need to do is start with the BBC radio script and put it on the screen. Would be thousand times better than the movies.