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Sleep Deprivation Disrupts Brain-Cell Communication, Study Finds (npr.org)

A new study published in the journal Nature Medicine found that sleep deprivation causes the bursts of electrical activity that brain cells use to communicate to become slower and weaker. "The finding could help explain why a lack of sleep impairs a range of mental functions, says Dr. Itzhak Fried, an author of the study and a professor of neurosurgery at the University of California, Los Angeles," reports NPR. From the report: The finding comes from an unusual study of patients being evaluated for surgery to correct severe epilepsy. As part of the evaluation, doctors place wires in the brain to find out where a patient's seizures are starting. That allows Fried and a team of scientists to monitor hundreds of individual brain cells, often for days. And because patients with epilepsy are frequently kept awake in order to provoke a seizure, the scientists had an ideal way to study the effects of sleep deprivation. In the study, all the patients agreed to categorize images of faces, places and animals. Each image caused cells in areas of the brain involved in perception to produce distinctive patterns of electrical activity. Then, four of the patients stayed up all night before looking at more images. And in these patients, "the neurons are responding slower," Fried says. "The responses are diminished, and they are smeared over longer periods of time." These changes impair the cells' ability to communicate, Fried says. And that leads to mental lapses that can affect not only perception but memory.

87 comments

  1. How do they expect ... by PPH · · Score: 0

    ... me to get any sleep with all those brain cells chattering back and forth?

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  2. Good news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sleep is one of my favorite things to do. My wife thinks I'm crazy because I always insist on a very expensive mattress and sheets and stuff. Duvet covers, shit like that. But man, when I hit the rack at night, I sleep like a little baby boy. Still wake up with a boner, even at my advanced age.

    Seriously, listen up you younger Slashdotters: Do not neglect your sleep. Sleep long enough to get dreams, because dreams, even nightmares, are really good for you. In fact, I've noticed that when I have one of those nightmares where you jump straight off the bed gasping, I go on to have a really good day. I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams. Unfortunately, the dreams you want seem to come at the end of your sleep, but you have to have had a long enough uninterrupted sleep.

    Go to bed a little early tonight and enjoy.

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    1. Re:Good news by Psion · · Score: 1

      Amen, Pope!

    2. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Depends on the country. People in Denmark are very financially secure - no fears of being trapped in poverty if they get enough sleep.

      The USA is a democracy. If Americans wanted enough sleep they could vote to be more like Denmark.

      But instead Americans vote to be the opposite of Denmark - for Trump and his fellow Republicans. And then they complain that they're not getting enough sleep.

      Ancient Chinese curse: may you get everything you want. Bwa ha ha ha ha!

    3. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I voted for Jill.

    4. Re:Good news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Die in your sleep, old man.

      I'm sensing some hostility.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    5. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Seriously, listen up you younger Slashdotters: Do not neglect your sleep. Sleep long enough to get dreams,

      I've always been a five hour a night person. And it's five hours after I hit the hay, doesn't matter if I hit it at 9 p.m. or 2 a.m.

      Dreaming can be a lot of fun - although in my typical OC form, I dream answers to problems I'm working on. For me "Let me sleep on it" is very literal.

      I don't think my mind works the same as 99 percent of humanity.

      Anyhow, if my non-healthy sleep habits haven't killed me by now, they either won't or have already done their damage.

      Side note - after my better half needed to sleep halfway sitting upward after a shoulder operation, we got a very firm adjustable bed. Great for my old Hockey injuries too. Hightly recommended if you like the good stuff. It was around 5 K, but well worth it.

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    6. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      America is not a democracy you moron, and it never was.

      Officially it is a constitutional republic; it uses a democratic process to select its representatives but that doesn't make it a democracy.

      Unofficially, it functions as a plutocracy, which means all the important decisions are made by a group of un-elected wealthy elites. Most of our democratic process is just smoke-and-mirrors to make the lower classes feel involved.

      Denmark is no perpetual utopia. No system of government is immune to corruption. Denmark will fall too, eventually, as all governments eventually do.

    7. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, people get like that when they haven't had enough sleep.

    8. Re:Good news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I dream answers to problems I'm working on.

      That's useful. I usually dream about banging Bayonetta or showing up to my PhD thesis defense stark naked.

      Anyhow, if my non-healthy sleep habits haven't killed me by now, they either won't or have already done their damage.

      I used to think like that. Before I got married I used to close the punk clubs in Chicago and get up at 7am for work. Somewhere along the way, I learned how much more I can do if I sleep.

      Great for my old Hockey injuries too.

      I once dreamed, during the Blackhawks 2013 Stanley Cup run, that I had skated out onto the ice in goal in place of Corey Crawford, only to realize I was naked. A psychiatrist could have a field day with me.

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    9. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "advanced age" means your wife is too old for morning activities, then it's probably time for you to raise the temperature of the thermostat at night, and/or drink less liquid 4-8 hours before bedtime. That'll put and end to your mourning[sic] wood.

    10. Re:Good news by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Sleep is one of my favorite things to do. My wife thinks I'm crazy because I always insist on a very expensive mattress and sheets and stuff. Duvet covers, shit like that.

      You spend over 1/3 of your life there. It's worth spending money on I agree.

      Still wake up with a boner, even at my advanced age.

      Bro... too much information (hey slashdotters with modpoints can I get an insightful mod for that? seriously it's true).

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    11. Re:Good news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Bro... too much information

      My wife says the same thing.

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    12. Re:Good news by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      I'll give some advice here on how to have excellent dreams;- Write them down. I keep a phone next to my bed, and every morning if I wake up with a dream I write it down and post it. Everybody loves that shit, shaynes brains crazy adventures in time and spacel. The thing is, theres science . behind it. Your dreams happen mostly in short term memory space. Your brain generally wont transfer it into long term memory because its all untrue nonsense facts, BUT if you CHOSE to remember it, it will actually get filed away. The questioon is how to solidify the memory. Thus;- dream diary! Except fuck modern dream diaries, put it on facebook. The best part is, your friends will; have pretty interesting interpretations of your dreams. Those interpretations are nonsense, but you ewill get an interesting window into how friends think your brain works

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    13. Re:Good news by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Sleep is one of my favorite things to do. My wife thinks I'm crazy because I always insist on a very expensive mattress and sheets and stuff. Duvet covers, shit like that. But man, when I hit the rack at night, I sleep like a little baby boy. Still wake up with a boner, even at my advanced age.

      Seriously, listen up you younger Slashdotters: Do not neglect your sleep. Sleep long enough to get dreams, because dreams, even nightmares, are really good for you. In fact, I've noticed that when I have one of those nightmares where you jump straight off the bed gasping, I go on to have a really good day. I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams. Unfortunately, the dreams you want seem to come at the end of your sleep, but you have to have had a long enough uninterrupted sleep.

      Go to bed a little early tonight and enjoy.

      As someone that has a hard time sleeping more than 6 hours, I can attest this to be true.

      Most of us in this industry get by with 6 or 5 (sometimes less) hours of sleep a day. It is a shitty way to do things.

      I'm always at my sharpest when I sleep more than 6 hours for several days in a row. I can get by when I only sleep 6 hours most days, but I can see, I can almost measure the deleterious effect it has in one's cognitive performance.

    14. Re:Good news by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Go to bed a little early tonight and enjoy.

      Enjoy what, staring at the ceiling?

      At this rate I'll be brain-dead by next Thursday.

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    15. Re:Good news by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      The USA is a democracy

      Ancient Chinese curse: may you get everything you want. Bwa ha ha ha ha!

      The USA is really an oligarchy more than a democracy. We have certain facets of democracy but that's about it.

    16. Re:Good news by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Still wake up with a boner, even at my advanced age.

      That has little to do with age:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    17. Re:Good news by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if you got more sleep you wouldn't be an AC.

    18. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That's useful. I usually dream about banging Bayonetta or showing up to my PhD thesis defense stark naked.

      I'm a Sophia Vergara guy myself. Most non-problem solving dreams are what I call adventure dreams. I'm wandering around some landscape and finding things. I recall a few naked in public dreams from a long time ago, like teenager years.

      I once dreamed, during the Blackhawks 2013 Stanley Cup run, that I had skated out onto the ice in goal in place of Corey Crawford, only to realize I was naked. A psychiatrist could have a field day with me.

      Acch! Whatever you do, don't fall down, especially front first! But naked and in goal, I can only figure that you must have been really nervous about something.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    19. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And furthermore, let me just add... TMI. Much, much TMI.

    20. Re:Good news by antdude · · Score: 1

      Too late. I am old. :P Boner after you wake up? LOL. I have had that a few times. Very rare. I hate it when I pee in my sleep though! :(

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    21. Re:Good news by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      In other news...Adderal causes the electrical energy in the brain to fire stronger and faster. ...but you can't have that, it's dangerous and the scarcity through regulation makes me too much money.

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    22. Re:Good news by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Trump is not a republican. He is an opportunist.

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    23. Re:Good news by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Bayonetta. Thanks man....I will never un-see that.

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    24. Re:Good news by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Had a stint of bed wetting in my early thirties. Wife was somehow understanding though I was not.

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    25. Re:Good news by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams.

      It's worth studying your dreams, you will learn more about yourself than you know and it is a very effective way of interpreting what your subconscious is telling you. You don't have time to process everything consciously so it helps a lot with interpersonal relationships, I have found, if you have the courage to face what it tells you about yourself. Inner truths.

      Start with an online dream dictionary, you won't regret it.

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      My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  3. Skynet needs sleep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically machines that aren't well maintained do poorly?

  4. lack of sleep makes you groggy by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    and constant lack of sleep may make it a long lasting effect

    no shit, how much did that grant cost me

  5. Hogwash! by avandesande · · Score: 0

    I onli slept an our last nidgt im doing ook!

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  6. Re:Water-boarding better? by BeauHD+(mod) · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sleep is one of my favorite things to do. My wife thinks I'm crazy because I always insist on a very expensive mattress and sheets and stuff. Duvet covers, stuff like that. But man, when I hit her rack at night, I sleep like a little baby boy. Still wake up with a boner, even at my advanced age.

    Seriously, listen up you younger Slashdotters: Do not neglect your sleep. Sleep long enough to get dreams, because dreams, even nightmares, are really good for you. In fact, I've noticed that when I have one of those nightmares where you jump straight off the bed gasping, I go on to have a really good day. I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams. Unfortunately, the dreams you want seem to come at the end of your sleep, but you have to have had a long enough uninterrupted sleep.

    Go to bed a little early tonight and enjoy.

  7. Uh... "study finds"??? by mark-t · · Score: 0

    For fuck sake, I knew that when I was, like, six.

    I'm wondering if the people who come up with this stuff are thinking that if they say something sufficiently mind-numbingly obvious, that everyone's brain will still be too numb to realize that what they are saying has actually been common knowledge for generations.

    1. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For fuckwit's sake, you didn't PROVE IT about the cellular activity, you just gut-blurted it decades after the fact anecdotally on the internet. Common knowledge for generations says you didn't build that either.

    2. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by mark-t · · Score: 1
      I didn't suggest I did prove it... I suggested, rather, that it didn't need to be proven because it was practically tautologically obvious. Try to stay awake more than a certain number of consecutive hours, and your thought processes get impaired... This has been happening to people for as long as there have been people, and one would have to be nothing short of clueless to think that somehow a more "clinical observation" of the tendency would make this more of a recognized fact than it previously was, or that it ever needed such additional validation.

      In related news, water is wet.

    3. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      For fuck sake, I knew that when I was, like, six.

      I'm wondering if the people who come up with this stuff are thinking that if they say something sufficiently mind-numbingly obvious, that everyone's brain will still be too numb to realize that what they are saying has actually been common knowledge for generations.

      I think its because a lot of people think they can cheat their sleep. A person needs what they need. A good rule of thumb is if you need an alarm clock every day.

      What I don't buy into is the idea that everyone needs 8 hours. Most do. I don't. I sleep 5. I go to bed, and 5 hours later I wake up with no alarm clock, feeling refreshed. Only way to get me to sleep 8 is to drug me - or if I have a cold.

      The weird thing is not how many people don't believe me, but how their first response is to get pissed off at me.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The specific details of slower-and-weaker inter-cellular communication is not tautologically obvious, you dolt.

      You fail to grasp both the basics of the scientific method, and reading comprehension.
       

    5. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In related news, you're a pretentious faggot!

    6. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh look a six year old neuro surgeon. Have you cured cancer yet? I mean if you knew this when you were six you should have countless peer reviewed papers to your name by now along with a very detailed knowledge of the inner workings of the brain.

    7. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      That's *great* that you knew it when you were 6 years old! How is the rate of mental performance correlated to the length of deprivation? At what stage of deprivation does decreased function become apparent? How long does it take to reverse the effects? Ohh, you don't know, because you didn't actually do a study?

      Those number are important; as a child genius, you should know that.

    8. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      My point was not to appear to be boastful about how allegedly brilliant I was when I was a child... my point was that I it is evident enough that even a six-year old child could understand this concept entirely well. They might not know all of the science or the details behind exactly how the synaptic nerves in the brain communicate, but the fact that a lack of sleep impairs mental function is something that anyone is going to be able to easily witness, and experience firsthand for themselves, enabling them to know it as well as they ever really need to.

    9. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That's why they do these studies, so when people say "oh I only need 5 hours" instead of "I have a sleep disorder, I wonder how much smarter I'd be if I managed to find a way to sleep more" they can read the study and realize how much "I'm different" hogwash people spout on the issue.

      The study doesn't say "maybe 5 hours is the same as 8." Do a study and try to prove that; lots of researchers have done studies starting from that idea. Did the results support it?

    10. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      And yet those children grow up and walk around saying, "oh, everybody is different, so when I undersleep I'm not any stoopidr. This is about those Other People who weren't born like me with bonus hours."

      It apparently isn't as easy to understand as you think!

    11. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      causes the bursts of electrical activity that brain cells use to communicate to become slower and weaker.

      You knew this when you were six? Holy cow, you must be a frickin genius.

    12. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      my point was that I it is evident enough that even a six-year old child could understand this concept entirely well.

      Water is wet. Now go about the process of explaining exactly why that is, without going through the fact that it is while doing so. In order to understand something one must first characterise it in detail.

      So tell me, how does your six year old self characterise the theta waves that represent wakefulness? Tell me how your six year old self showed that the effect has a universal form on memory, categorisation, as well as fine motor skills. Tell me about how your six year old self understood the concept that the selective spiking responses of individual neurons are not only attenuated, and delayed, but also lengthened.

      Your six year old self knew jack shit, and unfortunately carried that through to his adult self as evident by attempting to blindly shit on other people's hard work as "mind-numbingly obvious". Get a job.

    13. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sure... except that this study didn't actually discover exactly *why* the physiological changes cause impairment, it only discovered exactly what those physiological changes are, and rightly concluded that they are responsible for the impairment that one experiences due to lack of sleep. That's isomorphically identical to the plainly obvious fact that people don't think as well when they are tired, and people get tired from a lack of sleep in the first place.

    14. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That's why they do these studies, so when people say "oh I only need 5 hours" instead of "I have a sleep disorder, I wonder how much smarter I'd be if I managed to find a way to sleep more" they can read the study and realize how much "I'm different" hogwash people spout on the issue.

      The study doesn't say "maybe 5 hours is the same as 8." Do a study and try to prove that; lots of researchers have done studies starting from that idea. Did the results support it?

      A person needs what they need. Tell me though, how is the fact that I've only slept 5 hours a night since I was a teenager indicate that I have a sleep disorder?

      If I get less than 5, I feel like crap. And aren't sleep disorders supposed to have symptoms? When I get tired, I go to bed, I wake up feeling good. I certanly have none of the problems that are classified as sleep disorder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Most people need more sleep than I do. Some a lot more. Demanding that if a person doesn't act or do like the majority is indicative of a lack of understanding. And as for studies, I don't really care. I'm an outlier. I do what I do, it causes me no harm, certainly less than if I was drugged to get the dictated and no exceptions amount of sleep and be "normal". I'm happy the way I am. if you want, you can be annoyed. Just don't lose sleep over it.

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    15. Re:Uh... "study finds"??? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Not at all... which is kind of my point.

      Anyone can observe the effects of being tired from lack of sleep upon their thought processes *FIRST HAND* by, you know, not sleeping.

      That we can now apparently scientifically confirm as a fact something that human beings have known about themselves since probably about as long as humans have been around is not something I'd expect to be particularly revolutionary.

  8. coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey you know what else disrupts brain cell communication? Linux on the desktop!

    AMIRIGHT?

    1. Re: coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you idiot.
      It's systemd.

  9. Study characterizes effect by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Informative

    and constant lack of sleep may make it a long lasting effect

    no shit, how much did that grant cost me

    The importance of the study is that it characterizes the effect in a way that can be replicated, and then used for further study. For example, the effect drugs have on the subject, or different types of sleep.

    It might also help in validating or invalidating specific hypotheses.

    For example, there is a hypothesis that neurotransmitters evolved from nutrient sources. The theory goes that when simple organisms ate something there was a wash of nutrients (such as glucose) throughout the system. Evolution then gave the organisms sensors that would associate particular inputs with the wash of nutrients they receive from eating, and trigger the "swallow" action (probably invagination at that level). Then the organism evolved to separate the swallow signal from the sensor signal by using a modified nutrient as the signal, and when the organism fed successfully it would convert some of the nutrient into the signal to "feed" the sensor cells.

    Fast forward and we have a complex system of cells that use various neurotransmitters as "food" to represent information. The neurotransmitters are sent cell-to-cell, but also scavenged and reused, and the scavenging process is not 100% efficient so the extra neurotransmitters act as growth factors - a cell can grow more dendrites to scavenge more of the "food" neurotransmitters in the areas where they are most often generated, leading to Hebbian theory and all that.

    Back to the study...

    It seems reasonable that wakefulness uses one or more neurotransmitters so often that the scavenging process can't keep up, and the sleep phase is needed for the scavenging to catch up. This is by design, because the unscavenged neurotransmitters also act as growth factors to encourage dendrite growth among correlated neurons.

    If the study is right, it might be possible to measure the neurotransmitter levels as the patient gets sleepy, correlate it with the distinctive neural patterns, and thus identify the neurotransmitters that get depleted during wakefulness. (The study has identified the distinctive patterns we need to look for.)

    And that would have all sorts of applications.

    (Also, I don't know how much that grant cost you, but it was probably worth it.)

    1. Re:Study characterizes effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this talk of neuro-* while an animal with no brain still requires sleep: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    2. Re:Study characterizes effect by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      No one seems to mention that the sample for this study has no control.

      They only tested people with epilepsy.

      I would like to see this repeated in a group without epilepsy, and in a group of people who self report sleeping 1-3 hours a night without experiencing sleep deprivation issues.

      After that we might have something to talk about.

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  10. Trump quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Donâ(TM)t sleep any more than you have to. I usually sleep about four hours per night. "

    "I have friends who are successful and sleep ten hours a night, and I ask them, âHow can you compete against people like me if I sleep only four hours?â(TM) It rarely can be done. No matter how brilliant you are, thereâ(TM)s not enough time in the day. "

  11. Sleep by tquasar · · Score: 1

    I worked as a water plant operator with rotating shifts and started sleeping four hours at a time. I was always wasted from fatigue and could barely function at work or with friends. One beer or cocktail would knock me out. I would be awake all night when I wasn't at work.

    1. Re:Sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I was working with rotating shifts in an airline cargo company. I quit and left that deadly rotation of shifts after experiencing a near death accident at the road after my duty. That was my first accident in 14 years and the authorities/police were so puzzled as to what happened because of my previous clean record on my license and car insurance. I just told the police "PROBABLY LACK OF SLEEP". At first I didn't believe those journals and safety tips on driving that being drunk and having lack of sleep is just the same. Painful experience.

    2. Re:Sleep by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I worked as a water plant operator with rotating shifts and started sleeping four hours at a time. I was always wasted from fatigue and could barely function at work or with friends. One beer or cocktail would knock me out. I would be awake all night when I wasn't at work.

      Horrid situation. One of my first jobs was at a electronics manufacturing facility, swing shifting and we worked a 4 day 10 hour day schedule.

      I still did my 5 hours, but yeah, it was a bad existence. I recall a friend introducing me to Boilermakers at 7 in the morning (drop a shot of whiskey into a beer for those not familiar.) Some folks can handle it many can't.

      I think that shift workers and their messed up sleep habits are probably much worse on a person then the number of hours slept. I know my regular 5 hours a night leaves me feeling good when I wake up, but it is generally during fairly normal times, like go to sleep at 2 am and get up at 7 am, but no matter the sleep when I was on that nasty 10 hour third shift, I felt like I was in a mild fugue state most of the time. Which sounds a lot like what you describe in the water plant job.

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  12. More like Denmark? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Depends on the country. People in Denmark are very financially secure - no fears of being trapped in poverty if they get enough sleep.

    The USA is a democracy. If Americans wanted enough sleep they could vote to be more like Denmark.

    But instead Americans vote to be the opposite of Denmark - for Trump and his fellow Republicans. And then they complain that they're not getting enough sleep.

    Denmark has the least attractive immigration policy for refugees.

    So you're saying that voting for Trump was because we wanted to be less like Denmark?

    Or are you saying we *should* be more like Denmark, and have highly restricted immigration?

    I don't understand your point - can you be more specific about how voting for Trump made you feel bad?

    1. Re:More like Denmark? by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      What he's suggesting is that in the US people have among the longest work days and the least holidays of all developed countries in the world in combination with low job security and overall dwindling middle class, which results in less good sleep, and that you could choose to improve that situation by voting accordingly. Instead you've voted for a retarded billionaire who likes to tweet stupidities. Basically, OP's post says "your own fault! bahaha!". Just in case you were too stupid to understand it in the first place, as you've claimed.

    2. Re:More like Denmark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he's suggesting is that in the US people have among the longest work days and the least holidays of all developed countries in the world in combination with low job security and overall dwindling middle class, which results in less good sleep, and that you could choose to improve that situation by voting accordingly. Instead you've voted for a retarded billionaire who likes to tweet stupidities. Basically, OP's post says "your own fault! bahaha!". Just in case you were too stupid to understand it in the first place, as you've claimed.

      He's far smarter than you'll ever be. Look where he is, and look where you are.

  13. Um by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    What?

  14. Re:Water-boarding better? by Cryacin · · Score: 2

    This.

    I frequently send my guys home during stressful times with instructions to go to bed early. Those that do get sent home again, those that don't get ground down until they say they need sleep.

    It's an interesting empirical test within the teams, because the ones that go home early, get sleep, and come back, finish more work than the ones that grind themselves to a nub.

    "I need to watch TV/You Tube/Play video games to relax" really doesn't seem to work. At least not according to my metrics.

    YMMV

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  15. gotsta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    brain-stir

  16. Counter agents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Counter agents to sleep are:

    * Caffeine

    * Sugar

    At least it works for 4 days or so.... then the green floaty things appear and your body just sleeps whether you want it to or not...

    1. Re:Counter agents by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But even after only 2 days Jesus in the corner starts to appear and talk nonsense.

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    2. Re:Counter agents by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      You left out:

      * Amphetamines

      * Hallucinogens

      * Cocaine

      * An infinite series of read-headed sex partners, arranged in sequence of increasingly exquisite physical beauty.

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  17. I doubt these findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, I am reading Slashdot at 3:3o AM and pineapple red fish am fine so junk science.

  18. Re: Water-boarding better? by Evtim · · Score: 1

    Now, why would a guy like you know what a duvet is? Does it have an advantage in a hunter gatherer sence?

  19. Lack of sleep linked to Alzheimer by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    Not only does sleep disruption play a role in the declining mental abilities that typify Alzheimerâ(TM)s disease, but getting enough sleep is one of the most important factors determining whether you will develop the condition in the future.

    https://www.newscientist.com/a...

  20. 8 hours of darkness, not sleep by yes-but-no · · Score: 2

    What I found is what you really need is darkness; keep your visual-cortex off. You don't have to really sleep - I have stayed in darkness for say 2 hours and sleep only say 6 hours and feel refreshed next day. With the invention of light bulb, humans lost this darkness.
    It's like powering down the most power hungry chip -- the visual processing unit. You can think or even use the auditory cortex (listen to music say). That is ..say 3 bits on/off VAT (visual/audio/thoughts) .. having 0xx for like 8 hours a night is good enough for you to feel refreshed. [ie stay in darkness.. ok to think ..ok to sing..ok to listen.. but retina is not exposed to any light stimulus)

    1. Re:8 hours of darkness, not sleep by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      I went through a couple of years when I blacked out everything. If I saw the slightest bit of light through a window or even my router I covered them up until everything was completely dark. It's actually quite amazing how bright some LEDs are once you make everything else dark. Suddenly even my alarm clock seemed too bright. That's one of the few things I let shine in the darkness so maybe I didn't go far enough.

      I didn't find that it actually helped me sleep better. Often just leaving the TV on with all its light with the volume just barely audible lulls me to sleep. It helps if whatever is on the TV isn't filled with jarring commercials or sensational promos for "Breaking News".

    2. Re:8 hours of darkness, not sleep by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      As I was saying, I don't need to sleep; I only need to keep my visual-cortex off. The way I test myself is how energized/refreshed I feel the next day. If I feel refreshed with 6 hours sleep with 2 hours darkness (when I'm just lying in bed not sleeping..may be listen to music), then it's good for me. My body is very good at telling me the next day is it okay to leave the bed..(it even stays a bit warm if I try to get out early) - so I know that 6 hours was enough given the two extra hours of darkness.

  21. No laughing matter by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seriously, sleep deprivation can cause all kinds of health problems. Sleep is the time when your body heals and repairs damage during the day. Depriving yourself of this is a bad thing. I have started to feel better since getting a sleep apnea machine and I am sure I will feel even better once I get this extra weight off.

    1. Re:No laughing matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DaMattster observed:

      Seriously, sleep deprivation can cause all kinds of health problems. Sleep is the time when your body heals and repairs damage during the day. Depriving yourself of this is a bad thing. I have started to feel better since getting a sleep apnea machine and I am sure I will feel even better once I get this extra weight off.

      Absolutely correct.

      My overall energy and ability to focus both noticably improved when I began sleeping with a CPAP, after being diagnosed with severe, obstructive apnea (382 incidents in a 6-hour sleep test). That was 17 years ago.

      Unfortunately for me, I now have a medical condition that causes me to suffer severe, prolonged sleep deprivation. I really need about 9 hours of sleep to function at full capacity. For the past 2 years or so, I've been averaging 3.5 hours a night - and the impact on my memory, my ability to comprehend abtruse technical information, and my concentration (not to mention my mood) has been severely negative.

      I realize this is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence", whereas TFS and TFA to which it refers are about a controlled, scientific study - and yet the impact of this condition on me has been devastating. It affects every aspect of my life, and every treatment that's been essayed has been totally ineffective in ameliorating it.

      Even 300mg of Modafinil a day only helps a little.

      (Posting as AC so as not to undo upmods.)

    2. Re:No laughing matter by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      It's not a "controlled" study. There is no "control" group. All of the participants have epilepsy.

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  22. Now I can finally understand by Gabest · · Score: 1

    This is why I feel sleepy when I don't sleep!

    1. Re:Now I can finally understand by hey! · · Score: 1

      Other symptoms include cold intolerance, inexplicable hunger, weight gain, frequent colds and infections, and the need to self-medicate with coffee to avoid afternoon brain fuzz.

      I had all these symptoms, and my doctor ordered a thyroid test which came back negative. He threw up his hands and said I was just getting older. A few years later I saw a respiratory specialist to look into my snoring, which had been getting worse. The sleep study came back with borderline sleep apnea; just on the edge of what was considered normal. Nonetheless he chose to treat me with a CPAP machine, and right from the very first night I used it all my "thyroid" symptoms simply disappeared. I can take or leave coffee; I still drink it because I like it but if I skip a day it doesn't bother me. In about two months I lost twenty pounds without dieting.

      Probably best of all is that in the ten years since I've been using the machine I've been sick maybe twice, and those for a very short time. I used to catch everything and it always took me longer to recover than anyone else I knew.

      Slipping into physical and mental misery because of chronic sleep deprivation is a bit like being the proverbial frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. You don't realize you're feeling miserable because it happens so gradually you re-calibrate your idea of what "normal" feels like. But the thing is to get back on track with sleep takes discipline, something that's much harder to muster if you're sleep deprived. In my case I was lucky because there was a mechanical solution that gave me a leg up on improving my sleep hygiene. If it had been purely a matter of bad habits it would have been a lot harder to fix because I'd have had to fix it with a sleep-deprivation addled brain.

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  23. Fortunately by computational+super · · Score: 1

    Coffee reverses this, though, right?

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  24. Keep Trumpettes up all night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and make them senile.
    profit.

  25. Article didn't mention any control groups by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 1

    I didn't read the pay-walled study, but the article and /. post didn't mention a control group.
    Maybe the repeated same activity was slowed down over those channels because the exercise had already been done, new paths were created and the brain didn't need to follow the old route anymore. I would want to know the difference from repeating an activity the next day, vs doing it the next day with sleep.

  26. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  27. Re:Water-boarding better? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

    I frequently send my guys home during stressful times with instructions to go to bed early.

    This was pretty much the opposite of a place I used to work. When I started there we rotated a pager among 6 people. By the time I left it was just me and one other person and the CEO who came on board during my time there demanded to see people at their desks. Telecommuting became frowned upon.

    It didn't matter that right when I went to bed I got a call and spent the next 6 hours debugging some horrible code that didn't even have error checking.

    And there were nights where the problems were easy, but they wouldn't let me sleep more than an hour at a time.

    You're probably thinking we must have had some pretty horrible code to wake me up so often and you'd be right, but they were very reluctant to let us fix it.

    The best people quit for better opportunities. Many of the average people got "laid off" or were just fired after they got completely burned out.

    So I left the H1B guy as the only person responsible for the pager and last I heard he was hating life there too.

    It just might be a bad sign if the first thing you do when you get home from work is to login to your work laptop.

  28. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A study done on people already with strong neurological disorders...

    right...