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The Crisis in Local News (axios.com)

Sara Fischer, writing for Axios: The economic strains on local news have forced local outlets to close, shutter their print editions or consolidate into major holding groups, often headquartered in far-away cities. Why it matters: "As long as [cuts to local news] continues, the people in power will get away with murder," veteran NYC TV journalist Errol Louis told CNN's Brian Stelter on Sunday. Most recently, billionaire Joe Ricketts' decision to shut down local city coverage site DNAInfo and Gothamist in response to employees voting to unionize has called into question how local news outlets can survive through conflicting business interests of ownership. The cuts are the latest of local coverage setbacks this month. The Houston Press has effectively closed down; The Baltimore City Paper, a 40-year-old publication, published its last issue November 1. Local media continues to have a complicated relationship with technology, because while technology can be blamed for upended news economics, local media companies still rely on it for traffic and resources.

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  1. Unionize? by Major+Blud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    decision to shut down local city coverage site DNAInfo and Gothamist in response to employees voting to unionize

    I thought it was established the other day that the sites were being shutdown because they were losing money.
    https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

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    1. Re:Unionize? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      New narrative. Get with the program.

    2. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They were losing money, but not enough that they could not continue to operate. The employees deciding to unionize ended that possibility.

      I wonder how how they feel about all those who told them that voting to unionize was in their best interest?

    3. Re:Unionize? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      Yes, exactly.

      "Billionaire basically keeps the lights on for money-losing ventures. Employees at the places feel they need more $$, billionaire decides he's not a money-sponge and decides to walk away" - would be better title.

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    4. Re:Unionize? by pots · · Score: 1

      "It was decided?" From your link: "The decision has been widely regarded as a form of retaliation in response to the newsroom's vote last week to unionize with the Writers Guild of America, East."

    5. Re:Unionize? by pots · · Score: 1

      Established. Man, what? Why did I say decided? I don't know, sorry.

    6. Re:Unionize? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      They were crappy clickbait sites, although I did visit gothamist daily for entertainment

      Most of the "stories" were summaries and links to original stories from real news organizations

      the click bait summaries were usually the police is bad, it's always the driver's fault for hitting someone, etc.

    7. Re:Unionize? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      Yup, the moral to this story is...

      If they had not tried to unionize, they'd likely still all have jobs!!

      I mean geez, if you're not making money, the last thing you want to do is make it even MORE expensive to do business, right?

      Does no one exhibit common sense these days....?

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    8. Re:Unionize? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      People only care about how they can vote themselves money out of someone else's pocket.

    9. Re:Unionize? by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

      That's what the owners said, after they VERY abruptly shuttered the entire place without warning.

      If it was just a matter of losing money, (I would think) they would have had a much smoother and cleaner wind down process.

      But that's not what happened. This has a bad stink all over it.

    10. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's the opposite of what they did. They voted themselves unemployment.

      Ergo, they were acting altruistically, not selfishly, putting the owner's interests ahead of their own. "If you keep running this business, you'll just keep losing money. Here, let me help you make this decision to close the business."

    11. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lemme explain something to you son.

      There is the concept in business called "don't leave money on the table".

      You might have heard of it. It's a big thing. The concept goes like this:

      Say you have a market. Newspapers or Commercial Print or Buggy Whips (see what I did there?).
      Say this market is shrinking.
      Say that if you can trim your staff ahead of the shrinkage you can still get money our without any investments
      This LOOKS like you are making money by cutting costs. What you are actually doing is wringing out the last of the blood before the whole thing runs dry.
      A little investment and a whole lot of forward thinking can save these papers, but it's easier for the Billionaires to just keep cutting until the last penny is gone.

    12. Re:Unionize? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Yes, in many cases people think they are wolves voting with a sheep on who's for dinner, but often times they are misled by people with political agendas or who are just plain fools, and then they end up in this situation - where they tried to vote selfishly, but instead cost themselves significantly.

    13. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      decision to shut down local city coverage site DNAInfo and Gothamist in response to employees voting to unionize

      I thought it was established the other day that the sites were being shutdown because they were losing money.
      https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

      All I know is I watched Rachel Maddow the other day and she says I should be mad that I'm losing local news and to blame it on Trump. I might even start watching local news just to prove her right (but only during the MSNBC commercials)

    14. Re: Unionize? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Oh really, how much money do you have to lose before shutting it down at any time can make sense? All money lost was coming directly from the owner remember.

      Certainly the unionization was a factor, but only because he saw a lot more struggle ahead while also losing money, and it seemed like the bet on the previous merger had not paid off and was going to get worse, not better. At that point why throw good money after bad?

      If you want a real villain here I'd say the union leaders convincing all of the workers that warnings of being shut down were just bluffs was really misleading, when the situation was so obvious. If the workers had been smart they would have seen the place was losing money and offered to take 10% paycuts to help convince the owner to keep the place open. I've done that before at a business that was laying people off (they didn't take the offer).

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    15. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying these guys should unionize despite the fact the whole thing is coming down around their ears?
      Or are you saying they shouldn't unionize so they can save their jobs?
      I'm confused.

    16. Re:Unionize? by slew · · Score: 0

      A little investment and a whole lot of forward thinking can save these papers

      Sounds like you've got it figured out... Why don't you start a kickstarter campaign and test our your ideas...

      Wait, you don't think it's worth your time to come up with your forward thinking idea and risk a little capital investment? And how is it worth the time (and opportunity cost) of a Billionaire, who could just take that money and put it in the bank or the stock market or something that wouldn't take their time and require forward thinking.

      In American Football, they call this point of the game "garbage time". The game is lost for local news, and they are simply going through the motions with the bench players. Nobody want to waste their energy (or money) on a lost cause. Of course the bench players are enthusiastic that they get to play and want to make a good show of it, but the experienced A-team has already looked at the score and conceded the game and are planning their next outing.

      Monday morning QB is generally easier, but even given what we know today, I suspect it would be hard to figure out how to save the local news, even if we went back in time. The internet soaked up all their revenue sources (display ads and classifieds) and the deep-links bypassed any branding power they may have garnered even if they wanted to play in the new game. The only thing that seems to have had any traction at all are the surviving aggregation platforms like Patch (last one standing amongst all the dead ones), but I suspect that a last gasp model...

      The problem with local news is that it depends on local funding. Everytime you spend $1 at Amazon, that's one less dollar that funds a locally owned business that might pay for local advertising in a local news organization. WE ARE KILLING LOCAL NEWS with our globalist choices. We just haven't come to terms with it yet...

    17. Re:Unionize? by deesine · · Score: 1

      "Does no one exhibit common sense these days....?"

      While Trump is in office, don't expect much common sense from journalists.

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    18. Re:Unionize? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, he's confused too.

    19. Re:Unionize? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I find my local news to be far less deranged than the national media. The national media seems bound and determined to give me a permanent case of depression. On any given subject, the national media is far more negative and hysterical. The national media also seems to intentionally attempt to create cognitive dissonance.

      Abusive advertising practices are posing as journalism.

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    20. Re:Unionize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A local Station has an 11AM "Newscast". I got curious and timed it for a week recently. Every half hour Newscast has around 12 minutes of News, including Traffic and Weather. The other 18 minutes are Commercials and Promos for upcoming Network Shows.
      It gets worse, because they don't actually have a varied Advertiser base. One commercial for a Solar/Roofing company is run an average of four times in that half hour. (Hey I like Tim Conway, but his Son is a smug smirking jerk.)
      I feel sort of sad for this Station. They once had a top-tier Newsroom, with Bureaus in Washington and NY. I even knew one of their Cameramen. He was a Stringer for AP once; he got nominated for a couple of Pulitzers. As he got older, he decided that he didn't like traveling much, so he free-lanced for the local TV Stations and Newspapers. He retired for good a couple of years back.
      He once told me how the Stations and the Local Dailies made money. For instance, the Papers made next to nothing on Subscriptions. But the larger their Subscription base was, the more they could charge Advertisers. But they made the real money on the Classified Ads. He claims that Craigslist is to blame for the death of the small Dailies. They can't compete with Free.
      Our last remaining Local Paper folded last year.

      Station News was always a money-losing proposition. But it added Prestige. Prestige doesn't mean much these days, when Hard News, regardless of your Political views, is available 24 hours a day from one of the Cable News Networks. Fox figured out how to make it work. One local Fox affiliate leans pretty Liberal, but they both use Fox feeds, and contribute to them. They have given up most of their other Local programming to concentrate on News, and as a result, they went from distant fourth place to first in terms of quality and quantity of Reporting. Do they make Money at it? They are privately held, and Financials aren't forthcoming.
      Then there is the unlikely story of new TV Station "Northbaytv". The owner made his millions in Software, and is spending it on a TV Station that shows TV that is of interest to him. No Market Surveys here. They are doing some local Programming, including reviving "Creature Features" on Saturday nights, but they aren't carrying News yet. That is in the Future. Even some of their Commercials, that they Produce, are interesting and/or funny.
      http://watch.northbaytv.com/schedule/

      Now a Cynic may think that they are simply UHF Station Parking; that the value in the Station isn't in the Programming, but in the Frequency that can be auctioned off eventually to the Cellular Phone Market. A lot of smaller Independent Stations are being bought up for that very reason. As long as they broadcast something, anything, they can keep the Licenses for future resale.
      So Local programming, including News, can stagger on for a few more years.
      But it's dismal for Local Newspapers... but what is really being lost? Our Local paper was always sort of Crappy. The Founder was very Conservative, so he thought that his Market was best served by having no Political Reporting at all. He refused to carry Doonesbury.

      We have somehow brainwashed ourselves into thinking that such things as Investigative Reporting was something that all papers did. They didn't. The NY Times and the Washington Post didn't even want to cover Watergate much at first. The Editors felt that it was Politically too Dangerous... and they were right. From 1972 on, the American Right Wing has branded those two papers as "Liberal" at best and Traitorous at worst. Trump didn't invent this concept, he just rode it into Washington. And now he is at War with the American Press, pretty much all of it. Just like Nixon. But what the Times and Post did was rare back then.
      But the News Biz has changed in the last four decades. It isn't that the Local Papers are folding... they already have. The Local Independent Radio/TV News doesn't cover Politics much, even at the local level. Today is Election Day; of importance to Local Issues... and the TV Station that I mentioned at the very beginning didn't even mention it. They had a long piece instead on the last Flight of the 747, plus a Promo for the upcoming "Country Music Awards".
      Same as it ever was.

    21. Re:Unionize? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Did the asshole owner make them do that? That’s a super common tax cheat thing.

  2. Modest proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    market not choosing your services != murder

  3. Baltimore City Paper was hardly news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glorified opinion pieces at best.

    I do miss the local music coverage though.

  4. Re:Fake News by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't actually believe that, do you? Have you SEEN the media coverage of Trump since he was elected? I would hardly call that "under his control."

    If you want to see State control of the media, look at North Korea, not the US.

  5. This is only a big deal because it happened in NYC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have a crisis in local news, not us.

  6. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to add to this, whenever the People In Power get elected, they get control of the media.

    Russiagate? Just look at how Donald TRUMP buried this terrible travesty against America!

    Beau, you're drunk, go home.

  7. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pity the fool who's life is clarified by a comedian.

  8. We Need Local News by Arzaboa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fifteen years ago our small town had a newspaper. There were newspaper boxes on every corner. Every person would at least see one headline a week that pertained to local news, because it was prominently shown through the newspaper boxes.

    Ten years ago, the online version of the local news had a comment section. The trolls took over, but as long as you didn't scroll down, you could stick to finding the news.

    Today, those newspapers are gone. National conglomerates have bought the small papers, and our now filled with USA Today style click bait. "This many people died this morning..."

    People now say that they get their local news from Facebook. At the same time, their feeds are filled with angry neighbors arguing with each other. These news hawk are having trouble sifting through the lost dog notices trying to find a local person that wrote "news."

    The current conversation revolves around making it easier to find news, all in one place where people can read it, where lost dogs are on page 7, and "real news" would be near the front.

    We aren't full circle, and its causing serious problems. The local community is fractured. Fluffy the dog has been found 3 times though, and grandma is really happy every time.

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    1. Re:We Need Local News by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      To echo another comment: Those are your local news failures, not something global. I'm looking at a copy of my town's newspaper as I write this.

    2. Re:We Need Local News by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      99% of local news is uninteresting bullshit, puff pieces and trivial nonsense that few people really care about. People used to read it because there wasn't much else, but these days we are not short of low grade crap to read.

      This is a general problem with news - we benefit greatly from some stuff being reported or investigated, but the bread-and-butter bullshit stories that used to bump up the page count to something acceptable don't bring in the sales any more.

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    3. Re:We Need Local News by Megane · · Score: 1

      Ten years ago, the online version of the local news had a comment section. The trolls took over, but as long as you didn't scroll down, you could stick to finding the news.

      Speaking of comment sections, I noticed very quickly when Disqus (aka Disgust) removed the sub-thread collapse widget. All the kooks hang their crap off of the firstest posts they can find, so usually the first thing I would do was collapse the first post and keep hitting the more posts button until finally the next thread appeared. Now it's not even worth hitting the more posts button, because I'll have to wade through the worst of the crap.

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    4. Re:We Need Local News by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Today, those newspapers are gone. National conglomerates have bought the small papers

      Conglomerates small and large have been slurping up local papers for decades. Either yours was one of the rare ones that was actually independent rather than being owned by a conglomerate... Or you were one of the many people unaware that your local paper wasn't actually local.

      What's changed isn't ownership mostly, but "local" papers being treated more explicitly as what they've long been - franchises of a larger group.

    5. Re:We Need Local News by Ranbot · · Score: 2

      All fair points. However the real problem is local people need to value their local news enough to pay for it in one way or another. When they do the news providers will come back.

    6. Re:We Need Local News by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      However the real problem is local people need to value their local news enough to pay for it in one way or another.

      And to do that, they need to value their local community enough to take part in it.

      Sadly, a lot of us have fallen into the trap of ignoring the things we can change on our own street, and paying attention to things we cannot change thousands of miles away.

      Hell, it's not uncommon to have no idea who your neighbors are anymore.

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    7. Re:We Need Local News by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      However the real problem is local people need to value their local news enough to pay for it in one way or another.

      And to do that, they need to value their local community enough to take part in it.

      Sadly, a lot of us have fallen into the trap of ignoring the things we can change on our own street, and paying attention to things we cannot change thousands of miles away.

      Yup... and on that note don't forget to vote in your local elections today ;-) [assuming you are US citizen].

    8. Re:We Need Local News by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but my neighborhood has its own newspaper. I think it's fairly common in the larger cities.

      It's only printed once a week and typically contains content about the local churches and religious schools, but it does cover neighborhood news and events. The local alderman writes a column every couple of weeks.

      Don't most small towns have their own newspapers? I grew up in a small midwest farm town and we had one.

    9. Re:We Need Local News by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

      I hear ya. Our was local until Gannett came in and bought them. Now its local news through the main conglomerate as you describe.

    10. Re:We Need Local News by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      All fair points. However the real problem is local people need to value their local news enough to pay for it in one way or another. When they do the news providers will come back.

      I subscribed to our local paper for 20+ years. When it partially moved online, I signed up and started reading it online. Occasionally i would get involved in discussions related to stories, which generally weren't trolled too badly (at the time, anyway).

      But over ~ the final decade of my subscription, it seemed like we were gradually seeing less and less actual local reporting. Then, to save even more money, a few years ago the paper switched its commenting system so you couldn't participate unless you had a Facebook account. This turned out to be the tipping point for me. While it may sound extreme, to me it sounded like they were jumping into bed with the very people they were supposed to help keep an eye on. So I wrote to the editor and told her I was cancelling, and why - and haven't subscribed since.

      I value quality local news. I hope someday someone figure out how to offer it again.

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    11. Re:We Need Local News by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

      You're right. The interest and the readership is just not there at the moment.

      That one headline that everyone saw every week had an impact. Its far from exciting news, but 52 times a year everyone at least got a hint at what was happening locally while sitting in their cars at the stoplight leaving their neighborhoods.

      If/when people take some responsibility for what they are ingesting, it would help the entire situation. I do see a few people kicking the thought around at least. I think we have years to go before we go full circle though here, unfortunately.

    12. Re: We Need Local News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I just go suck and be horrible in peace?

    13. Re:We Need Local News by Gussington · · Score: 1

      National conglomerates have bought the small papers, and our now filled with USA Today style click bait. "This many people died this morning..."

      This secret personal trainers hate!
      It's actually so bad that I've given up buying or reading any paper or news site produced in my own country. This lack of reliable local information can only be bad for the community overall.

  9. Local news alone? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The news business has been morphing into entertainment business for a few decades now. Check out any newspaper or TV news show, and you will notice that it's only news if it is entertaining, one way or the other. Telling what really happens is, at best, a secondary endeavor - in some cases, as in Fox News, not even that.

    1. Re:Local news alone? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You misspelled CNN.

    2. Re: Local news alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference? You polarized passive-thinking drone fuck.

    3. Re:Local news alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah. That's funny. I already posted so can't +1 on your funny. I should also give the person who voted Insightful a plus one for being off topic, but funny. Thank you for that.

  10. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony of a troll named "BeauHD (mod)" going around calling others trolls.

  11. By coincidence... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My dad emailed a link today about how the Guardian is protected from "outside influence" by a trust fund that was set up back in the 1930s. I'd be curious to hear what others think about this setup, and how well it has succeeded in that goal.

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    1. Re:By coincidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all well and good if its got any money, but its loosing it hand over fist.at this rate it will be dead in under 10 years. then it needs a benefactor.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/01/heavy-losses-feared-guardian-forecasts-will-burn-90m-cash-year/

    2. Re:By coincidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but its loosing it hand over fist

      Lose: opposite of win. Loose: not tight

    3. Re:By coincidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      theoatmeal: not worth reading. Everything else, maybe.

  12. Local is more important then national by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just as today is voting day in the United stated. Being that it is an off year election only the local officials are running. However the local officials are the ones who will directly control your quality of life and the community, yet we don’t go out and masses and vote for them. Then we get supposed that a million dollars is wasted and the officials just go off unpunished because voting is so low for their positions and local news is so scarce that they can get away with it.

    We can live with an idiot baby as president, but we need an adult who is mayor and town clerk. Otherwise we get real problems.

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    1. Re:Local is more important then national by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local politicians are just system abusers in training. Their job is simple, get as much money back from the State and Fed as you can.

    2. Re:Local is more important then national by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      But they get in power from being in these local positions for a few years. If we were more involved in our local politics then national. We may actually get good people at the higher levels.

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    3. Re:Local is more important then national by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blah blah blah! The system is corrupt blah blah blah. Ain't nothin' I can do about it blah blah! Shame you whiny fucks don't get off your ass and run for an elected office instead of bitching about it.

  13. The Media Monopoly by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check out "The Media Monopoly" by Ben Bagdikian as a primer on all things media-consolidation. He dives into the detail of how and why it happened. Back in Victorian times, there were 4-5 newspapers even in small towns. Right now, communications technology favors centralized syndication because it's much cheaper than having a news room staff in every town. Americans are often just as interested in "big" national stories vis-a-vis small local ones. So, after reading his book (and it's updated editions) it's pretty clear that there is equal blame on both news consumers and news producers. However, I also think it has something to do with the perception that journalism is just a tool for propaganda these days. Journalism has taken a hit in perceived trust on all fronts by all consumers. Perhaps it's because of the corporatism at work in most news organizations, or maybe it's also the fact that every journalist I've ever met (personally) has been an ignorant tool just chasing "trends" not news.

    1. Re:The Media Monopoly by nnet · · Score: 1

      vis-a-vis != versus, which is what you meant. But otherwise well stated.

    2. Re:The Media Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good riddance it's all Democratic Party propaganda anyway.
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    3. Re:The Media Monopoly by Arzaboa · · Score: 2

      The consolidation economy is starting to find breaking points. People are finding it hard to find anything worth reading, and the things worth reading are packed in between a whole lot of useless stuff. We used to have multiple papers competing, but they lost all of their ad revenue to the online world, everyone bailed until there was nothing left. People do want their information, but right now so many don't trust anything.

      You touch on an interesting point regarding propaganda. We've got an entire section of the population so cynical about anything they see, they only read cynical stories as true. Anything not cynical just has to be false, they say.

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    4. Re:The Media Monopoly by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      However, I also think it has something to do with the perception that journalism is just a tool for propaganda these days. Journalism has taken a hit in perceived trust on all fronts by all consumers.

      "Journalism" has always been about propaganda. That's why there were multiple papers - one for Democrats, one for Republicans, one for businessmen, one for the "wrong" side of the tracks, etc... etc...
       
      The idea that "journalists" were some kind of impartial arbiter of truth came about in the 50's as newspapers (faced with competition from radio for decades and increasingly from TV) fought for readers as the era of closing and consolidation began to take hold. TV took up the idea for much the same reason, a veneer of impartiality sells. The hit in trust isn't because of propaganda - it's because as the number and independence of outlets has shrunk, the odds have increased that you're outside of the propaganda bias. Something the conservatives have brilliantly taken advantage of. The liberals were late to the party, but they're rapidly catching up.
       
      The reality is that we've come full circle - once again there's a 'trusted' source for everyone, and everyone else's trusted source is complete garbage. But where we're screwed... instead of the trusted source(s) being independent, they're all under corporate thumbs.

    5. Re:The Media Monopoly by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Journalism has taken a hit in perceived trust on all fronts by all consumers.

      Growing up I was taught that you needed confirmation from three independent sources before you could publish a story. Now you have stories being printed based on unverified anonymous sources.

    6. Re:The Media Monopoly by Gussington · · Score: 1

      or maybe it's also the fact that every journalist I've ever met (personally) has been an ignorant tool just chasing "trends" not news.

      Because most of what passes for 'journalism' isn't really. Things like being objective, balanced, citing references, avoid conflicts of interest etc all go out the window in a modern media organisation. They do still exist, they're just getting rarer and rarer as media organisations race to the bottom in desperation for clicks.

  14. Nobody cares about news anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many millennials even care about news besides getting snippets and reading whatever from social sites? I worked for a news agency years ago and saw first hand even in the 80's how college kids were rapidly losing interest in news papers and local news organizations. I myself would read a newspaper like the Tribune or Sun Times front to back, but I now consume much of my news from the internet. Why would people pay for old news that they already got from the internet? Granted some very good journalists will lose jobs forever, but most likely will end up writing for a internet site. That's were news is delivered timely and instantly and much of it is provided free. I certainly would be willing to pay for a few publications, but not at the rates they are charging for now.

  15. Re:Fake News by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    That's true, but how many different news outlets has Trump granted interviews to?

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  17. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fox News has decided they want to be the state media while Trump is in office.

    But, they took on that role voluntarily - apparently there's a market for having you biases constantly re-affirmed.

  18. Journalism as a Hobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My 90-year old mother pays a dollar a day for her local newspaper that's so thin, you can't even wrap fish in it. The local news content is pitiful. Since electronic media is very inexpensive, and a lot of people enjoy hobbies, they should organize to do their own local news as a service to their community. There are a lot of financially secure senior citizens who could cover the day shift when others are at work, clicking cellphone pics to embellish the narrative. You have to admit that writing a news story has the same needed skill as writing an eighth-grade report.

  19. News is just a business interested in maximizing p by Tangential · · Score: 2

    The news media has been in a long downward spiral of consolidation and/or bankruptcies since about 1980 which coincides with the birth of both CNN and the age of a zillion cable channels. Prior to then, the limited media available (only major networks, radio and print) kept traditional advertising at the top of the heap for revenue generation. Networks and local papers saw news gathering as a quasi independent, money losing necessary evil. Networks had to be viewed as somewhat neutral in news to attract viewers and advertisers. In cities with more than one paper, the papers tended to take particular editorial positions but they still had to be viewed as accurate. Cable started taking viewers and ad dollars from the major networks and after the internet further messed up the advertising model channels like CNN and Fox discovered that ad revenue grew and they made more money by biasing their coverage (and their accuracy) to pander to their viewership. In the meantime daily rags were losing their shirts. The lack of readership killed ad revenues major mergers started happening everywhere. Most cities were whittled down to one major daily and the battling editorial positions were gone. At the same time USA Today showed papers that a lot of readers were happy without local news and loads of papers became localized versions of a national paper. Now the paper only needed a handful of employees or just contract reporters for local news with everything else (layout, production, website, delivery, billing etc) handled by the national organization. We have no independent mainstream media left in the US. Every story that comes out of every organization has a primary focus of revenue generation.

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  20. Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sure you know.

  21. Re: Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beau, you're drunk, go home.

    Whipslash lets us drink at work.

  22. nothing new under the sun by mbaGeek · · Score: 1

    ... so the smaller and quicker are eating the bigger and slower ...

    I'll point out that Benjamin Franklin (the guy on the $100 bill) made a very good living as a publisher back in the day. The point? As a writer/publisher looking to make a living he needed to know his audience and publish what people wanted to read/were willing to pay for (e.g. people loved almanac's so he created/published "poor richard's almanac"). I'll also point out that he never got much bigger than a 1 man operation

    the problem's facing local news today aren't much different than in Franklin's time. You still need to find an audience and publish material in which they are interested. It is safe to say, that people are always interested in a couple things - 1.) themselves, 2.) their neighbors - so if you are a local news outlet you should focus on what large national publications can't cover - i.e. local people/government and their stories (lots of pictures, spell their names correctly)

    for what it is worth (I live in southwestern Ohio) - close to half of our "big" local paper is syndicated news (stories from the NY Times and the WSJ a day later, the USA Today). but there are still numerous "community" papers, with close to 100% local content

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  23. The Public Interest Standard by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    If only we could bring these mandates to the internet.

  24. Once local news actually holds those in power... by terraformer · · Score: 1

    Once local news actually holds those in power accountable, then maybe I will shed a tear. But the reality is, the local news are obsessed with man bites dog stories, finding "local angles" to national stories and frankly are in the pocket of the local political power brokers. So I see no loss here. Barstool sports has broken more scandals lately in MA than the local news.

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  25. Re: This is only a big deal because it happened in by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    ^^^ This. The internet has already bled out most local coverage and even weekly locals (typically mostly entertainment with some liberal-leaning news) are dying out. Only reason we're seeing multiple stories about something only a few of us care about is that someone in a major media market is butthurt. Let's get back to news for nerds, please.

  26. Not a problem by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Most localities have their own Facebook page, and we've been hearing for the past year that FB is where people get all their news.

    1. Re:Not a problem by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

      Our local Facebook page where our citizens claim to get their news, is more like a daily talk show, full of gossip and lost puppies.

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  27. Re:Fake News by will_die · · Score: 1

    Since inauguration day to October it was 12

  28. This post is a dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe not the same exact article, but a similar headline came up recently.

    Related to this, there was a story recently about a media company that is snatching up all the local tv news outlets. I can't remember the name of the company, but like Fox, they pass off opinion as news and they source those opinion pieces from a skewed outlet like Breitbart or something similar. I'm trying to remember the name and _I_think_ it's McClaren?

    1. Re:This post is a dupe by eskayp · · Score: 1

      Sounds a lot like Sinclair Networks.
      They give their local stations 'Must Run' segments that promote their biased opinions.
      Next step will be to close the local broadcast studios and supply all content from their headquarters instead.
      FCC chairman Ajit Pai is trying to change regs to allow that dumping of local studios and content.
      His political views echo those of Trump, Fox, and Sinclair.

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  29. Only for FOR-PROFIT news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know... the kind with such a huge conflict of interest, that they shouldn't even exist. And constantly have to state their "neutrality".

    Meanwhile, independent people, who do it purely out of personal interest, are doing fine.

    Yes, they are biased. But so is every neural net / brain by its very definition.
    But they aren't necessarily dishonest. Neither about their bias, nor about how they perceive the world.
    And that is both more trustworthy and more useful, since you can correct for a known bias, and can pick what you trust, instead of living in a blind delusion of "fair & balanced".

  30. A bit biased... by Fringe · · Score: 1
    Sarah never mentioned that DNAinfo was unprofitable, relying on Joe Ricketts' continued funding, and unionized over his objections. To read her post, it sounds like he is obligated to continue investing in employees who knowingly go against his wishes.

    I'm not seeing that as the real world; you can't force someone to keep giving you money unless you're the government.

    1. Re:A bit biased... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      you can't force someone to keep giving you money unless you're the government.

      Even then not always.

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  31. Re: MAGA porn preferences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, 2 is wrong. E.g. I can say I love cock, but I am disgusted by male faces or smells or any of that. Life would be easier if I was just gay. But I only can feel love and that certain feel with women. So chicks with dicks (and I mean actual women, not men with operations), is pretty hot to me.

    The problem is that they are all mentally fucked-up, precisely because too many fuckers just want to bang a shemale for kink factor but (he)she falls in love too and gets hurt every damn time.
    So since I do not want to contribute to, nor deal with that baggage, a good old strap-on will have to do.

  32. The Papers by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    We used to get the Sunday edition of our local paper. We only have time to read the news on Sunday anyways, and it was, basically, a huge, week-end news wrap-up issue. I think it cost $10 a month. We were perfectly happy paying for it.

    Then they got rid of that plan, and replaced it with three issues a week plus access to the useless "deluxe digital edition" for $30 a month. We cancelled our subscription.

    Even though half of the newspaper's volume is eaten up by sports that I don't care about, I'd be perfectly willing to pay $10/month for one issue a week. They don't want to sell that to me, so they don't have a customer.

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  33. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fox News has decided they want to be the state media while Trump is in office.
     
    I don't watch Fox nor did I vote Trump but it's plain as day to me why he won. Maybe you need to take off the blinders.
     
      apparently there's a market for having you biases constantly re-affirmed.
     
    True. That's why CNN is suffering right now. They have no one to cheerlead for.

  34. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want to see State control of the media, look at North Korea, not the US.

    The problem with the USA media is that it's controlled by the ultra-rich. Ordinary Americans are distracted by by trivial issues like terrorism into voting to give up healthcare for their children. Ordinary Americans are the bull, Rupert Murdoch is the matador and Fox News is his cape. Bull fights do not end well for the bull.

  35. Re:Fake News by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

    What seems to be 'under his control' (at least for his followers) is what outlets can be believed - and even what stories on those outlets.

    Orwell envisioned North Korea style government controlled media pretty well, but he seems to have missed what happens when there is no sense of what a reliable media outlet (let alone reliable truth) is. The apologists for the latest waves of media consolidation and breakdown of ownership limits always point to the vast number of sources now available for information. But if none of those sources can be counted on to be telling the truth, then what? Say what you will, but the fairness doctrine produced some reliable concept of objective reality in media.

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  36. Local Media Killed it'self by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    Local media killed it'self. They were every bit as biased as the national journalists that are now in their death throes, but on local issues, it was far more apparent and repulsive. Our local paper died 15 years ago and no one gave a shit.

    With local Facebook groups and apps like Nextdoor, citizen journalists are far more empowered than ever to keep local government accountable, and it is far more difficult for local politicians to corrupt this kind of democratized journalism.

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    1. Re:Local Media Killed it'self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With local Facebook groups and apps like Nextdoor, citizen journalists are far more empowered than ever to keep local government accountable, and it is far more difficult for local politicians to corrupt this kind of democratized journalism.

      It's actually easier. They just need to intimidate a few, corrupt others, and distract you with a bit of shiny or some noise, while they're busy looting the building fund.

  37. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool story, Vlad.

    But you missed the memo - you're supposed to use MSNBC for what-about-isms. CNN isn't really that biased, they're just mostly incompetent.

  38. It's only a crisis by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    if you make $1 million/yr. If you do this is BAU/functioning as designed.

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  39. Re: Fake News by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Although I partially agree, I would say just because the news is nearly 100% negative when covering Trump, that does't mean that Trump is not controlling the news cycle to a large degree - he's just helping funnel what they are angry about at a given point in time.

    But that's still better than under Obama with the press being largely of the "look the other way" mindset, at least the press is now paying attention to what the president does... even if it all has a negative slant.

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  40. More like MAHB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see you have access to Hillary's browser history.

  41. Re:Fake News by sexconker · · Score: 1

    That's not strictly true. "Who's" can mean other things, such as "who has".

  42. Comrade Bernie: bail out the unionized newspaper w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    According to Bernie Sanders, unions are wonderful and never cause unemployment or destroy productivity. All the selfless union bosses do is stand up for the little guy, right?

    No.

    http://www.bernieiswrong.com/

  43. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget all the Whos in Whoville, who have nothing better to do
    Who spend their time settling who's a Who and who isn't a Who.
    During Baseball Season it then must be reckoned
    Whose Who is on First, and What's then put on Second.

  44. Look what you made me do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You made me shutter this establishment because you voted to unionize. Why did you make me do this?

  45. traditional media and channels failed to adapt by BeerMilkshake · · Score: 1

    No crisis here ... merely the culmination of 25 years of technological and social change finally overwhelming an industry that couldnt or wouldnt change its business model.

    newspapers, meet reddit

  46. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If you want to see State control of the media, look at North Korea, not the US.

    That's right. In the US, it's not the State controlling the media, it's the media's advertisers. Those with the deep pockets I mean. Those who never get talked about even when they have a product that kills people.

  47. Local news? Whats that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you mean that shit on over the air broadcasts?

    Yea, just like cable I haven't bothered with that crap in years.

    Remind me why the local news is important again; oh yea its not. I want real investigative journalism; not just an echo chamber.

    1. Re:Local news? Whats that? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean that shit on over the air broadcasts?

      I think they mostly mean that shit with ink on paper that has constantly gotten narrower and thinner over the years, especially the ones who still haven't figured out how to replace the income they used to get from classified ads. The internet and even over-the-air broadcasts (including talk radio) are much faster than print editions. Who wants to pay a dollar a day for yesterday's news? I mean, other than old people who subscribe to a print newspaper because it comforts them to hold something physical.

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  48. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, corruption/collusion with media outlets is just as bad if not worse than state controlled media (is this even bad?). Read "No Where to Hide" by Glenn Greenwald for points on this. The mere fact that reporting agencies have to consult the US govt before secret/top secret shit is reported on re-iterates this fact.

    Merely defaulting to "state controlled media" is bad is just stupid; it's only bad if its used as a filtering mechanism. The problem that exists between authoritarian state media agencies and private agencies that work with the government is that they both filter content. You can see this crap by looking at Washington Post; it's basically US state ran media outlet.

  49. Re:Fake News by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Thanks. Can you post the references to them?

  50. i helped cause problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    20 years ago I wuit local paper due to NYT propaganda printed with local news. In 2000 we quit local TV news due to progressive slant even in local events. So I took income from local news media for good reasons.
    When "killed by officer Fox" became "repeatedly shot to death with a automatic pistol by officer Frank", I quit reading & watching. They refuse to give correct names while twisting news.

  51. Re:Fake News by thomn8r · · Score: 3, Insightful
    CNN says 19 interviews with Faux news http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/2... The current scorecard:

    Fox -- 19
    NYT -- 4
    NBC -- 3
    Reuters -- 3
    WSJ -- 2
    CBN -- 2
    ABC -- 1
    CBS -- 1
    WashPost -- 1
    AP -- 1
    Time -- 1
    Forbes -- 1

  52. TSLA still open after $2.6B lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh really, how much money do you have to lose before shutting it down at any time can make sense?

    I'm not sure but you must need to lose more than $2.6 billion, because Tesla has steadily lost that amount and everybody seems to think that's not enough for it to make sense to shut them down. http://time.com/money/4437888/tesla-quarterly-loss/

  53. not all bad by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    From the article: "The economic strains on local news have forced local outlets to close, shutter their print editions or consolidate into major holding groups, often headquartered in far-away cities."

    I'm looking forward to the folding of the local paper. Once strong and independent, it is now controlled by a major holding group (using the article's terminology) and has devolved into pointless, useless identity politics.

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  54. Thank God to live in a Republican state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have numerous local newspapers, TV stations that are broadcast locally, and a local non-profit, non-NPR, public radio station.

  55. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should visit Breitbart News sometime, then you would realize just how CENTER Fox news is and how far off the depend of Liberal Fascism that CNN is.

  56. Re: Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    âYou don't actually believe that, do you?
    I for one certainly do.â

    Then you have either not been paying attention or you are a troll.

    Obvious troll is obvious.