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'Quark Fusion' Produces Eight Times More Energy Than Nuclear Fusion (futurism.com)

walterbyrd shares a report from Futurism: This new source of energy, according to researchers Marek Karliner and Jonathan Rosner, comes from the fusion of subatomic particles known as quarks. These particles are usually produced as a result of colliding atoms that move at high speeds within the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), where these component parts split from their parent atoms. It doesn't stop there, however, as these disassociated quarks also tend to collide with one another and fuse into particles called baryons. It is this fusion of quarks that Karliner and Rosner focused on, as they found that this fusion is capable of producing energy even greater than what's produced in hydrogen fusion. In particular, they studied how fused quarks configure into what's called a doubly-charmed baryon. Fusing quarks require 130 MeV to become doubly-charmed baryons, which, in turn, releases energy that's 12 MeV more energy. Turning their calculations to heavier bottom quarks, which need 230 MeV to fuse, they found that a resulting baryon could produce approximately 138 MeV of net energy -- about eight times more than what hydrogen fusion releases. The new study has been published in the journal Nature.

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  1. Re: 8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have to get more people buying these large hadron colliders! When the price goes down everyone will get one put in their backyard and we will all be rolling in the quarks.

  2. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    100MT should be enough for anyone.

  3. Oh, Great! by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This means that ubiquitous fusion energy is 50 years away again!

    1. Re:Oh, Great! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      This means that ubiquitous fusion energy is 50 years away again!

      Even better yet, we'll have 8 times as much fusion energy in 50 years!

    2. Re:Oh, Great! by Mkkby · · Score: 2

      50 years is far too optimistic. With no working theories for energy gain, containment or collection, it really is infinity years away.

  4. Don't get too exited by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is NOT a usable source of energy. The quarks are so short-lived that a sustained reaction is impossible

    1. Re: Don't get too exited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course Quark fusion is unacceptably unstable. While not quite as good, there is an alternative which is much more stable. Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for...

      PageMaker Fusion!

    2. Re:Don't get too exited by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is NOT a usable source of energy.

      More importantly, the energy required to create the baryons in the first place is 1-2 orders of magnitude more than the fusion releases and you get more energy just waiting for them to decay.

    3. Re:Don't get too exited by slack_justyb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly this! The whole reason nuclear fusion works is because we're tapping into the energy in a neutron. A star's massive size creates a sizable amount of gravitational energy. A small amount of this gravitational energy is used to transition a proton into a neutron via the weak force. This creates deuterium. That eventually flies away from a star and carries off the energy or stays put and gains more energy by converting into helium. In nuclear fusion, we bring two deuterium atoms and form either tritium or Helium-3. The process of doing so releases some of that energy that was used to originally bind the proton and neutron. Fusion isn't creating energy from nothing, it came from somewhere to begin with. It's just that we've got so many isotopes of hydrogen, helium, and lithium on this planet, that using them as a fuel is cheap. We don't have some magic well for doubly charmed or bottom quarks.

  5. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Trump and Kim will love that.

    Well... From TFA:

    However, their fears that this quark fusion could be weaponized soon fizzled out as they realized in subsequent experiments that quarks exist only for about one picosecond. That’s too short a time to create a chain reaction to set off more baryons, as the quarks quickly decay into less volatile, lighter quarks.

    (In short, they decay faster than Trump's attention span.)

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  6. Re: 8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I'm going to be rolling in the Quarks, will I be a Top or a Bottom? I'm already considered a bit Strange, and without any Charm. But those are the Ups and Downs of walking around with a Hadron all the time.

  7. Spectacularly confused summary by tyme · · Score: 5, Informative
    The fusion isn't a fusion of quarks, but of baryons: two Lambda baryons fuse to form a Chi baryon and a neutron, which is analogous to Deuterium/Tritium nuclear fusion. The bottom form of the Lambda to Chi baryon fusion results in about 11x as much energy released as the charmed form.

    Anyone who knows anything about subatomic physics would know that you can't have fusion of individual quarks because quarks never occur individually outside of a baryon, so the summary is simply incoherent nonsense.

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    1. Re:Spectacularly confused summary by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So if I happen to have a couple of charm or bottom Lambda bosons, I can do something clever to collide them and I can get energy. Alternatively, I could just wait about 10^-12 seconds until they decay of their own accord, and I can get energy.

      It got past the Nature reviewers, so I suppose there must be some point, but I'm not seeing it.

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    2. Re:Spectacularly confused summary by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      I could just wait about 10^-12 seconds until they decay of their own accord

      What do you plan to do during all that time?

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    3. Re:Spectacularly confused summary by ImprovOmega · · Score: 2

      It happens that 10^-12 seconds is the average length of time a person on Slashdot spends reading the article and considering a reply before they begin posting about it. It would be much shorter, but people like OP keep skewing up the average.

  8. If only we had a pile of loose quarks by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Since 99% of an atom's mass is the binding energy of the quarks, I would say that would be a great source of energy. But since we don't have a pile of loose quarks sitting around, I don't see how that would be much use. We would have to expend energy to break them apart first.

  9. Re:8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How dare you question the mantra of endless progress! We have millions of times more computing power than in the 1960s! Just look at how everything else progressed!

    We live in the same houses, drive on the same roads, with cars that go the same speed driving on the same tires, while airplanes fly at the same height and speed burning the same fuel!

    See? Endless progress! This means the glorious 3D printed private-space asteroid-mined quark-fused warp drive is JUST AROUND THE CORNER!

    Look at how many cores my laptop has (and curiously is brought to its knees every four hours because a web browser needs to wade through gigabytes of temporary files!)

  10. Re:8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by thegreatbob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quark Fusion; it shall always be 200 years off from becoming a commercially viable power source.

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  11. The Mouse That Roared by bunyip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmmm...

    Maybe that movie was prophetic and they'll produce a Q-bomb, with more power than all the A-bombs and H-bombs of the world combined...

    A.

  12. Wrong Quark by maroberts · · Score: 2

    You'll actually be a Ferengi

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    1. Re:Wrong Quark by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      At least he'll have a bar.

      All I got is this freakin' moon.

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  13. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by maroberts · · Score: 3, Funny

    (In short, they decay faster than Trump's attention span.)

    Nope, Scientific tests have proven that nothing decays faster than Trump's attention span. However, it seems like a Twitter containment field can prevent such decay

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  14. Re:8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    someone is still bitter about not getting their jetpack

  15. Before anyone gets too excited.... by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is very interesting from a theoretical / experimental point of view. Its an analog of nuclear fusion but done with quarks. That is fun and interesting and well worth a nature paper. It is NOT however in any way a possible source of energy. The quarks in normal matter are already in their lowest energy state. The lambda_c particles they are fusing have a half life of a fraction of a picosecond - not something you might find lying around. Making lambdas would take far more energy than comes out of the "fusion".

    So its an interesting example of a large binding energy between charmed quarks, but since you have to create the input particles out of energy, its not a path to net energy production. The abstract of the paper says as much.

  16. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by Khyber · · Score: 2

    Whomever downmodded you is a fucking idiot that has never heard of Tsar Bomba.

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  17. Sadly... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...your post is lacking any truth or beauty!

  18. Minor energy problem by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, unlike nuclear fusion where the things you want to fuse can be found lying around because they are stable, exotic baryons containing c or b quarks have to be created. Since their mass is several thousand MeV - even more if you are using baryons with b-quarks - this will require vastly more energy than this fusion will release.

    In fact, just the decay of these baryons releases far more energy that this fusion process so it's not the short lifetime that prevents practical application it's making the constituents in the first place and, even if you find someway to do that, you are better off just waiting for them to decay.

    1. Re:Minor energy problem by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's a significant contribution to how subatomic physics works. The proper question is whether whoever wrote TFS was that stupid or just looking for some attention?

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    2. Re:Minor energy problem by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

      No, you need about -13.8 billion years.

  19. Re:Democrat wins VA governorship by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    people went to church every sunday

    And to a picnic every labor day.

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  20. Re:When do I get my flying Delorean? by slack_justyb · · Score: 2

    Correct the single reaction is only 138 MeV. The whole point is that a single gram of material provides 6.02*10^23 reactions. That's 1.186 * 10^13 joules. 6.3 * 10^13 is roughly the energy in the Hiroshima bomb. However, I can be wrong about that, that's some serious back of the napkin math on a process I haven't really read up on, but it is Avogadro's number for the molar mass of a gram of hydrogen. Point being, while a single reaction is very weak, a single gram of material provides a massive amount of chances for a reaction.

  21. Re: 8x more powerful X zero chain reaction = 0 by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Found the strange one.

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  22. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    *sigh*

    Fuck, when will people ever get it right. The Twitter Containment Field (or TCF) only creates a snapshot, it does not conserve a state. And even though to the untrained eye the TCF seems to conserve a state, its attention half life is even shorter than what is contained therein, making it even less important than what it contains.

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  23. Hydrogen is abundant in the universe ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2

    ... but right now I can't think of a good source of quarks.

  24. Not that surprising. by Rothron+the+Wise · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's using the strong nuclear force rather than the weak one, but as long as you don't have a free supply of free quarks (you don't) it's not really a power source. Don't expect to see quark fusion reactors at any time in the future, sure you can make them in the LHC, but only by using vastly more energy than you'll get fusing the quarks back together again.

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  25. Re:Democrat wins VA governorship by dadelbunts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reversed my ass. Democrats just switched tactics to keep black people down. Democratic controlled black areas seldom recover and do better, they are kept in a state of perpetual poverty and reliance on welfare. Coupled with programs to send black males to prison (super predators anyone) and they ensure black communities are reliant on them thus ensuring votes. The ONLY thing the parties appear to have switched on is freedom of speech and personal liberties. The party once known for being "liberal" is now trying to curb speech any way it can.

  26. Re:Hooray! Bigger bombs! by Mkkby · · Score: 2

    While quarks may have a lifetime too short to use as a DIRECT weapon, quantum action at a distance should allow us to attack North Korea without them being aware.

    Trigger Kim's bombs to explode in their silos. Then play Trump's tweets over an over again in his head until he goes (even more) mad.