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Germany Bans Children's Smartwatches (bbc.com)

A German regulator has banned the sale of smartwatches aimed at children, describing them as spying devices. From a report: It had previously banned an internet-connected doll called, My Friend Cayla, for similar reasons. Telecoms regulator the Federal Network Agency urged parents who had such watches to destroy them. One expert said the decision could be a "game-changer" for internet-connected devices. "Poorly secured smart devices often allow for privacy invasion. That is really concerning when it comes to kids' GPS tracking watches - the very watches that are supposed to help keep them safe," said Ken Munro, a security expert at Pen Test Partners.

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  1. "Think of the children" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Signed,
    Penetration Test Partners.

    1. Re:"Think of the children" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kinky

    2. Re:"Think of the children" by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Maybe they ARE thinking of the Children and are afraid of a modern IoT version of the Pied Piper.

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    3. Re:"Think of the children" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The Raspberry Pi Piper?

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  2. Yeah, cuz the phones are even better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  3. It's not privacty I'm concerned about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm more worried that someone will figure out a way to make the smartwatches emit an ultrasonic tone audible only to kids below the age of 13 that contains subliminal messages instructing the kids to kill all adults, starting with their parents. And then form a kids-only kidocracy and the world would fall apart because let's face it, kids would probably only care about playing video games and eating candy.

    1. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      ^ Lord of the Flies goes for global domination

      that would be scary

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    2. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by gnick · · Score: 1

      More like 'Children of the Corn' than 'Lord of the Flies'. Who could have guessed that 'He who walks behind the rows' would be digital?

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    3. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a teacher in China for a while and a lot of kids would have what they called "cricket ringtones." They're really high pitched so the old teachers with normal upper-range hearing loss don't know the kid's are texting in class because they can't hear the notifications.

    4. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that would sugest that kids can listen... I have no proof of that!

  4. Those Nazis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burning smart watches and books now?

  5. Only fair - age of consent should apply to IoT by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it is only fair that age of consent rules should apply to getting sodomized by an insecure IoT.

    1. Re:Only fair - age of consent should apply to IoT by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      They don't apply, and it's the parents who should and are consenting. This is just more of the German penchant for authoritarianism.

    2. Re:Only fair - age of consent should apply to IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... who should, and are consenting.

      When parents say 'no' to sex education and 'yes' to surveillance devices, it's possible they're not preparing their children for life as an adult and thus, don't know better.

      More to the point, spying on children has some easy-to-predict flaws and no sensible manager (Ie. politician) wants to wait until that shit 'hits the fan': Here, prevention is better than cure. Which is, the whole point of having managers.

  6. Quoth Roy Moore: by damn_registrars · · Score: 0

    "Go ahead, that's more for me! My girlfriends think they're great!"

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  7. The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And quite frankly, if you think you can listen in on every place where your kid is, that is not just piss-poor parenting, it's also creepy as hell and a violation of the privacy of everyone who is around your child.

    1. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by sinij · · Score: 2

      Also when these kids grow up they will accept privacy violations from the government and corporations, because parents trained them that fake safety is more important than your privacy.

    2. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Or they become hostile to ANY kind of surveillance because they're pissed at their helicopter parents.

      One can only hope.

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    3. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      I wish I had points to give you.

    4. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Or they become hostile to ANY kind of surveillance because they're pissed at their helicopter parents.

      One can only hope.

      Would make sense, the same way hippie parents created yuppies.

  8. Destroy them!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    How much do they cost? No refunds available I guess...

  9. Kid Insurance by Arzaboa · · Score: 0

    No kid is more safe due to a smartwatch, but it makes mom and dad feel better. This enables and enforces fear mongering by the population. It is a false sense of security for mom and dad to a problem that is smaller today than at anytime in the past. In fact, it is usually mom or dad that kidnaps the child in the first place. Child abduction rates are down over the ages, especially when one considers the growth of the population over this same time. [freerangekids.com]

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  10. That's The Point by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

    Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and giving them the means to call for help is a very big deal to some people.

    1. Re:That's The Point by FudRucker · · Score: 2

      your point has a point, that is very pointed, i agree, a parent with an active or over-active or especially a hyperactive kid would find a use for an electronic gadget that lets the parent track them maybe if it sent a ping with a GPS coordinate every 30 seconds or every minute and the parent can track the kid by a PC, tablet or smartphone that would be nice especially overlayed on google maps and accurate within just a few feet

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    2. Re:That's The Point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

      Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and finding out what motivates them so you can make them buy junk irrationally is a very big deal to some people.

      FTFY

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    3. Re:That's The Point by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      is a very big deal to some people.. YEA, Parents!! They have to fork out the money!

    4. Re:That's The Point by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, I got on my bike and simply had to be back before the street lights came on at night. Doing that today will result in a visit from the authorities for failing to properly care for your kids. And long before you get to that, plenty of family would be worried the kid got picked up and molested five minutes after they left home.

      Putting a GPS tracker on a kid means you can let them have a bit more freedom a bit earlier while still keeping the paranoid adults a bit calmer.

      Trackers today will do live ping response with decimal lat-long, they can handle scheduled geofences that let you know if the kid isn't where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there, and they come with emergency stealth communications - they can call mom or dad or whoever (or be called by them) but mute the audio so the parents can hear what's happening without anyone around the kid being alerted to the monitoring.

      The kid trackers are basically child-adapted versions of devices made for adults with dementia or the paranoid worried about being kidnapped.

    5. Re:That's The Point by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

      Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and giving them the means to call for help is a very big deal to some people.

      The Germans used children to spy on their parents in the 40's. Brainwashed children are more reliable than some stupid "smart watch", mechanical devices are susceptible to failure or unwanted manipulation. Not so with the human brain, it will be fucked up for a really long time.

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    6. Re:That's The Point by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      All that in one sentence?

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    7. Re:That's The Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a GPS tracker on a kid ...

      A phone does that already and other functions (geo-fences, audio bugging, internet nanny) can be implemented in software.

      The problem with the 'phone on a wrist' model, is less hardware equals less safety. Messages from these devices can be intercepted or spoofed. Safety features (eg. panic button) rarely work because the radio hardware is inadequate. Plus, a smaller battery means losing contact with a child in less than a day. Also, propriety software means vendor lock-in, means the vendor collecting profile data (over time). Then there's the fact these devices are targeted to an American market, where children don't get consumer protections.

  11. how convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stop GPS marking your children, it becomes so much harder to abduct them into sex slavery

    1. Re:how convenient by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite, just hack the insecure IoT device and you can literally tell the kid "You can run, but you cannot hide!"

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  12. Funny by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IOW parents are now forced to give their kids a more expensive Apple iWatch.
    Good job, lobbyists!

  13. Re:Over reach by a VERY nasty police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Zionist, yes? So that's why they now accept a load of Muslim refugees, right. After all, we all know, Muslims are the spearhead of the Zionist world domination plan.

    Please, if you want to spread your conspiracy bullshit, at least try one that is remotely in tune with reality.

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  14. In Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state has more interest in determining what's right for the kids than the parents do. Have to raise those perfect little storm troopers. Viva America!

  15. No, only "listening bug functionality" is banned. by ESCquire · · Score: 1

    Only those watches are banned that have a limited telephony function, with which the children (and also other people in its presence - like teachers, playmates, maybe even you) could also be monitored acoustically (this interception function will then be referred to as a "baby monitor" or "monitor function").

    Remotely activated mobile phone (or watch) microphones are classified as illegal listening devices by Germany's Authority for Telecommunications, as Germany punishes "violations of the privacy of the spoken word" in its penal code.

    Also: original source (in German).

  16. Wait, so the Catholic church are refugees now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they *officially* rape over a 1000 children *each year* in Europe alone.

    I repeat: OFFICIALLY.

    I think Muslims are just as much schizophrenic sick fucks as all other religitards,
    but guess who also keeps telling you those rape Muslims stories â¦

    Thatâ(TM)s right. The same Christian churches who have their own religious terror groups throughout Africa.
    Remember that the bloodiest and most cruel war ever (Hutu vs Tutsi) was one of Christians vs non-believers! (Yeah, funny how that was never mentioned in the news.)

    Islam has still a looong way to go, to get even close to the level of the legacy of Christianity. Don't get me wrong. They definitely have enough of that too. But our holy wars and inquisitions and abuse of women etc used to be waay worse than even theirs. And hell, itâ(TM)s not even 50 years (at least here) since women gained the right to vote.

    Also, guess who made those tefugees refugees by fucking up the country?
    Yep. That was our meddling. Among other things for the purpose of deliberately destabilizing Europe and the EU. (I approve of destabilizing the latter. Fucking corporate fascists.)

  17. And the privacy of their OWN kids too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about how different your life would have been under total parent surveillance!

    Would it even have been a life?
    I think, at best you would have dende up being de-facto a "limb" of their "swarm body", and at worst, a literal tool.

  18. I want to be a child again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then government would care for me, and whoever wanted to sell something to me, would have to make sure it complies with the regulations imposed by the government. And as this would not only apply to me, but everyone, there would be a marked for sane products. Unlike today, where no manufacturer cares about what I want. Because I'm just one, and there's large number of stupid people who don't care. It doesn't even help that I could pay better than others.

  19. Re:Over reach by a VERY nasty police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, inviting Muslims into countries further away from Israel is in line with Zionism.