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Germany Bans Children's Smartwatches (bbc.com)

A German regulator has banned the sale of smartwatches aimed at children, describing them as spying devices. From a report: It had previously banned an internet-connected doll called, My Friend Cayla, for similar reasons. Telecoms regulator the Federal Network Agency urged parents who had such watches to destroy them. One expert said the decision could be a "game-changer" for internet-connected devices. "Poorly secured smart devices often allow for privacy invasion. That is really concerning when it comes to kids' GPS tracking watches - the very watches that are supposed to help keep them safe," said Ken Munro, a security expert at Pen Test Partners.

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  1. It's not privacty I'm concerned about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm more worried that someone will figure out a way to make the smartwatches emit an ultrasonic tone audible only to kids below the age of 13 that contains subliminal messages instructing the kids to kill all adults, starting with their parents. And then form a kids-only kidocracy and the world would fall apart because let's face it, kids would probably only care about playing video games and eating candy.

    1. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      ^ Lord of the Flies goes for global domination

      that would be scary

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    2. Re:It's not privacty I'm concerned about by gnick · · Score: 1

      More like 'Children of the Corn' than 'Lord of the Flies'. Who could have guessed that 'He who walks behind the rows' would be digital?

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  2. Only fair - age of consent should apply to IoT by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it is only fair that age of consent rules should apply to getting sodomized by an insecure IoT.

  3. Re:"Think of the children" by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Maybe they ARE thinking of the Children and are afraid of a modern IoT version of the Pied Piper.

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  4. Destroy them!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    How much do they cost? No refunds available I guess...

  5. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by sinij · · Score: 2

    Also when these kids grow up they will accept privacy violations from the government and corporations, because parents trained them that fake safety is more important than your privacy.

  6. That's The Point by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

    Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and giving them the means to call for help is a very big deal to some people.

    1. Re:That's The Point by FudRucker · · Score: 2

      your point has a point, that is very pointed, i agree, a parent with an active or over-active or especially a hyperactive kid would find a use for an electronic gadget that lets the parent track them maybe if it sent a ping with a GPS coordinate every 30 seconds or every minute and the parent can track the kid by a PC, tablet or smartphone that would be nice especially overlayed on google maps and accurate within just a few feet

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    2. Re:That's The Point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

      Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and finding out what motivates them so you can make them buy junk irrationally is a very big deal to some people.

      FTFY

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    3. Re:That's The Point by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      is a very big deal to some people.. YEA, Parents!! They have to fork out the money!

    4. Re:That's The Point by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, I got on my bike and simply had to be back before the street lights came on at night. Doing that today will result in a visit from the authorities for failing to properly care for your kids. And long before you get to that, plenty of family would be worried the kid got picked up and molested five minutes after they left home.

      Putting a GPS tracker on a kid means you can let them have a bit more freedom a bit earlier while still keeping the paranoid adults a bit calmer.

      Trackers today will do live ping response with decimal lat-long, they can handle scheduled geofences that let you know if the kid isn't where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there, and they come with emergency stealth communications - they can call mom or dad or whoever (or be called by them) but mute the audio so the parents can hear what's happening without anyone around the kid being alerted to the monitoring.

      The kid trackers are basically child-adapted versions of devices made for adults with dementia or the paranoid worried about being kidnapped.

    5. Re:That's The Point by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Of course they're spying devices. That's the whole bloody point.

      Children are a six-figure investment these days. One that moves on two legs and isn't wholly rational. So keeping tabs on where they are and giving them the means to call for help is a very big deal to some people.

      The Germans used children to spy on their parents in the 40's. Brainwashed children are more reliable than some stupid "smart watch", mechanical devices are susceptible to failure or unwanted manipulation. Not so with the human brain, it will be fucked up for a really long time.

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    6. Re:That's The Point by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      All that in one sentence?

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  7. Funny by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IOW parents are now forced to give their kids a more expensive Apple iWatch.
    Good job, lobbyists!

  8. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Or they become hostile to ANY kind of surveillance because they're pissed at their helicopter parents.

    One can only hope.

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  9. Re:Over reach by a VERY nasty police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Zionist, yes? So that's why they now accept a load of Muslim refugees, right. After all, we all know, Muslims are the spearhead of the Zionist world domination plan.

    Please, if you want to spread your conspiracy bullshit, at least try one that is remotely in tune with reality.

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  10. Re:how convenient by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Quite the opposite, just hack the insecure IoT device and you can literally tell the kid "You can run, but you cannot hide!"

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  11. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    I wish I had points to give you.

  12. No, only "listening bug functionality" is banned. by ESCquire · · Score: 1

    Only those watches are banned that have a limited telephony function, with which the children (and also other people in its presence - like teachers, playmates, maybe even you) could also be monitored acoustically (this interception function will then be referred to as a "baby monitor" or "monitor function").

    Remotely activated mobile phone (or watch) microphones are classified as illegal listening devices by Germany's Authority for Telecommunications, as Germany punishes "violations of the privacy of the spoken word" in its penal code.

    Also: original source (in German).

  13. Re:"Think of the children" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The Raspberry Pi Piper?

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  14. Re:The problem is "babyfone" functionality by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    Or they become hostile to ANY kind of surveillance because they're pissed at their helicopter parents.

    One can only hope.

    Would make sense, the same way hippie parents created yuppies.