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Uber Expands Driverless-Car Push With Deal For 24,000 Volvos (bloomberg.com)

Uber agreed to buy 24,000 sport utility vehicles from Volvo to form a fleet of driverless autos. According to Bloomberg, "The XC90s, priced from $46,900 at U.S. dealers, will be delivered from 2019 to 2021 in the first commercial purchase by a ride-hailing provider." Uber will add its own sensors and software to permit pilot-less driving. From the report: Uber's order steps up efforts to replace human drivers, the biggest cost in its on-demand taxi service. The autonomous fleet is small compared with the more than 2 million people who drive for Uber but reflects dedication to the company's strategy of developing self-driving cars. "This new agreement puts us on a path toward mass-produced, self-driving vehicles at scale," Jeff Miller, Uber's head of auto alliances, told Bloomberg News. "The more people working on the problem, we'll get there faster and with better, safer, more reliable systems."

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  1. Re:2021? Maybe. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Whatever happens, happens, and the courts ascribe liability -- to the driver. The little guy, generally with shallow pockets.

    The equation changes when large companies with deep pockets need to make that decision ahead of time, and they (or their insurers) take over liability.

  2. Re:2021? Maybe. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

    (1) How to get them to deal with snow

    Why does every self-driving car denier tout this out as "IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN" evidence?

    Humans can drive on snow with 2 EM sensors that are limited to the 'visible spectrum' and an IMU that gets messed up rather easily? Especially when on snow?

    With the range of sensors and their sampling rate I expect them to be much, much better on snow.

  3. Re:2021? Maybe. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    No, but I've been in the following situation.
    (1) hit the deer, possibly damaging my car and ending up with a buck through the windshield
    (2) cross the center line on a hill with poor visibility.

  4. Re:2021? Maybe. by brayrobert201 · · Score: 2

    I can't speak for deer, but the official line for kangaroos is: Hit the thing. You're far less likely to be killed.... Don't swerve. Ever.

  5. Re:Where is the business case for this $1B+ purcha by stephanruby · · Score: 2

    If your exit strategy is an IPO, then that strategy makes perfect sense.

    The grander the promise, the more money you'll need for your IPO.

  6. Re:2021? Maybe. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    One of the problems...

    Do we really want to create "efficient" traffic that's easy for computers to navigate, at the expense of usability for pedestrians and cyclists?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Try crossing the street or cycling in this mess? Will we all be bound to our cars just to walk across the street?

  7. Do any of you people program? by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously reading through the majority of the comments that list inane things like "what about children crossing the road?", "what about cats and dogs?", "what if there's an ambulance?", "what if the road is blocked and there's construction work, how does GPS work then?"

    I mean seriously do you guys have no understanding of information systems?

    To those of you think driverless cars are too hard, and they can't possibly work, just watch, the only issues driverless cars will have will be trust, in the same way people trusted a horse and cart over a car 100 years ago.... The technology is already all here and those who understand it know that driverless cars will be safer and result in less congestion than roads filled with cars driven by people.

    Welcome to the 21st century.

    1. Re:Do any of you people program? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The technology is all here already, really? Where's any video of a driverless car in bad weather? In a city? On a road torn up by construction? On a road with dual line markings per lane because it's been shifted due to construction? At an intersection with 50 other driverless cars? At an intersection with a damaged light? The arguments about kids, animals, and hitting one thing to avoid another are bullshit but the other arguments aren't. You're putting blind trust into corporations, corporations that time after time have shown they're completely not trustworthy. They'll do anything for the next $ including killing you if they'll come out ahead. Just look deeply at the smoking, food, and pharmaceutical industries if you think they care about your life. Even the banking industry illegal forced people out of their homes to increase their profits. The auto industry has already been caught polluting the air. That directly leaves to decreased health and earlier deaths. Most of the tech startups' primary goals are to keep their illegal activities locked up in court until they're big enough to lobby for laws to protect their 'innovations'.

      There's no proof driverless cars will reduce congestion. I think it'll cause the opposite. There will be more people on the road because long commute times will no longer matter as much. Live in the cheap areas and work remotely during your 2.5 hour commute. Poorer folks will give up renting out an expensive shack and will live out on the road. People already try to do that now but they're harassed by cops when they sleep in parking lots. Now they can sleep on the road as the car circles the city all night. Driverless cars will a large culture shift, don't apply today's standards to it.

    2. Re:Do any of you people program? by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously reading through the majority of the comments that list inane things like "what about children crossing the road?", "what about cats and dogs?", "what if there's an ambulance?", "what if the road is blocked and there's construction work, how does GPS work then?"

      These are not inane things. They are real issues that we already have to deal with and wont be going anywhere in 2 years.

      It continually astounds me that people think that these cars will automagically fix themselves in 2 years and be perfect and safe and give you all sunshine and fucking unicorns.

      And the best excuse that they can come up with is:

      I mean seriously do you guys have no understanding of information systems?

      With zero context... Information Systems covers a lot of technologies.

      I do have some knowledge of the technologies involved as I've worked in remote sensing for a number of years. RADAR and LIDAR are great technologies that fall victim to a few common problems, namely bad weather. LIDAR is terrible when it rains or snows because rain and snow have a high refractive index, LIDAR being based on light, tends to have issues with that. RADAR cant tell the difference between a leaf and a bollard. The state of the art systems installed into high end Mercs and BMW's are easily fooled by an overhanging branch.

      The problem you've got is sensory processing. It takes real processing power to take all these disparate sensing method (Image, IR, LIDAR/RADAR) and produce a clear picture of what is going on. Right now, to read features on a face against a grey background takes minutes with high speed computers, thats looking at something with a clear picture and a very narrow set of parameters. The thing Autonomous cars need to do to be at level 4 (we're currently at level 2) is to be able to make split second decisions on incomplete data. The car hasn't got time to process, cross-check and verify data. Thats why the classic dog/child running out on the road is used as an example, its something that is unpredictable but also needs to be fully expected to happen in real life.

      Computers, AI in particular is very good at handling great volumes of predictable data, a car with it's steeringwheel attendant glued to its phone is going to need to deal with unpredictable data. So by the time AI is advanced enough to let dopey Doris have an autonomus car, a great many other changes will have occurred first. The autonomous car is a long way off, in fact it may end up being this generations "flying car", however AI is far more likely to take over jobs that are based solely in applying rules to data, like legal and accounting services long before then. In fact we're going to see robot doctors long before robot cars.

      Now finally, there's a reason that these cars haven't been tested here in sunny Berkshire (that's in England), its because it rains for half the year, roads are narrow and overhanging branches are common. For your average Skinny Latte sipping California hipster marveling at how close autonomous cars are... this environment is unimaginable, they would describe it as hostile to life and wonder how anyone survives in such a cold and rainy environment (and for those Cali hipsters, this is sarcasm, Berkshire is tame to anything north of the Tyne... and we are nae even in Scotland yet).

      To those of you think driverless cars are too hard, and they can't possibly work, just watch,

      I will, I'll watch you become more and more disappointed that your fabled self-driving car remains "just a few years away".

      Now Volvo, they're some smart cookies, I'm sure they've gotten a contract where they don't actually have to deliver a level 5 car... or even a level 4 one and would even have crunched the numbers on Uber not even existing by then (so why not grab a slice of that sweet, sweet VC cash before the VC's realise they've been had).

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  8. Re:2021? Maybe. by brayrobert201 · · Score: 2

    Compare the relative value of a pilot's salary with the contents of a plane and a taxi driver's salary with the contents of his taxi.

  9. Re: 2021? Maybe. by brayrobert201 · · Score: 2

    Well, the response to that point is: If a human driver has time to consider that, then there probably isn't going to be an accident anyway. Accidents are normally a surprise. We've got a split second to react. If we're still weighing the moral pros and cons, we've probably already hit whatever was directly in front of us/

  10. Re: 2021? Maybe. by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You _should_ push your car past its limits in a wide open empty paved space. That often ends in a spin, give yourself room. If you don't know the limits, you likely trip over them or never get anywhere near them. First step is finding them, then you can push them.

    360 plus generally requires a little power to keep the drive wheels spinning. Fun though, might have to turn off traction control.

    Your right, you should never let the cops catch you doing donuts.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  11. so many problems by ixidor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    oh man so many problems with this. i drove uber "part time" 20-40 hours a week for 3 years, and with over 2500 rides, i have seen some shit. Like the drunk guy who got in, did not put in a home address, mumbled something that sounded like the name of a neighborhood, and passed out. when i got to what i thought was his neighborhood, woke him up for directions, how is an AI car going to do that. Had 3 people vomit in back seat, how do you monitor that? several times a group would get in, argue over where to go for dinner, and wound our way to what seemed like 3rd or 4th possible destination. or the times the passenger is 50-100 ft down the wrong way on a 1 way street, trying to get them to walk to the car could be comical, when they have absolutely no idea where they are or sense of direction. Will this new system have something to guide the cars on where to go when have downtime, to try to be in best spot for a pickup, or will system strive for a coverage map. or just knowing the city, and which way is best, even when gps says go another way. so much human element trying to get people places when they have no idea where to go. will need at a minimum live voice chat to a human to help running 24/7.

  12. So can we stop calling Uber... by Rhipf · · Score: 2

    a ride share program/app/company? It hasn't been about ride sharing in ages.