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Apple's New iPhone Built With Illegal Overtime Teen Labor (bloomberg.com)
Apple's main supplier in Asia has been employing high-school students working illegal overtime to assemble the iPhone X in an effort to catch up with demand after facing production delays, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday, citing several teenagers involved. From a report: A group of 3,000 students from the Zhengzhou Urban Rail Transit School were sent to work at the local facility run by Taiwan-based Hon Hai Precision Industry, known as Foxconn, as part of a three-month stint that was billed as "work experience," and required to graduate, the Financial Times reported. Six of the students told the FT they routinely worked 11-hour days assembling Apple's flagship smartphone, which constitutes illegal overtime for student interns under Chinese law. Apple said an audit did find instances of student interns working overtime, adding that they were employed voluntarily, were compensated and provided benefits, but that they shouldn't have been allowed to work overtime.
That could very well not be true.
However, if it was voluntary, then I see no reason why they should have the government tell them that they can't make more money if they don't wanted to. Their body, their choice.
Okay, Foxconn, had a rep for inhumane human labor practices, including making people stand for 12 hours assembling iphones. Foxconn doesn't change it's stripes because of a little embarrassment, and Apple know it. Much like the Gap, Joe Fresh, Blue Navy (owned by the Gap), continue to use manufacturers that quietly hire child labor no matter how many times similar scandals come up. If Apple really cared, they would stop using Foxconn whose reputation for what we consider basic human decency let alone laws relating to it, is very poor. If WE really cared about any of these issues, we would stop buying iphones (we can always get used ones if it MUST be an iphone), or better yet get a phone with an open source android derivative (Replicant, Cyanogen, LinageOS), but as people with eager faces prepare to sign either a free phone for a 3 year contract or plot $700 USD for the newest iphone, it seems pretty clear where our priorities are. And no matter how many times we see stories like this, we'll keep buying iphones. So Apple will keep using Foxconnm, who will repeat profitable inhuman labor practices.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
made in red china now if they need an unlock on some phone how fast will get done?? faster then it takes to file paper work to fight the FBI in court?
But can it run Crysis?
the definition of 'voluntary'. It's no longer voluntary if you've set up a society where you have no other viable options. This is why we don't let people sell themselves into slavery. Because if you're at the point where you're selling yourself into slavery then you're no longer at the point where anything is truly voluntary.
Said it before, I'll say it again, you're not a free man (or woman) so long as somebody else controls your access to food, shelter and medicine. Until then you're one step away from being made to do whatever the person in charge of those things wants.
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Who really believes that this isn't the case for all smart phones, of all brands? Come on, let's not be too naive. This is the sad truth of the tech world.
what will happen in scott walker's non union WI!
When the new plant opens?? at least they will the have brat stop and mars cheese castle to pay give free stuff to help you on your 12 hour shift.
Hah, I lived in Zhengzhou for a year. What a dump, even by Chinese standards. Fun fact: Henan (the province ZZ is in) is the AIDs capital in China because they had a vaccine program and the morons didn't change out the needles regularly because of some ancient superstition. Now, Luoyang. That's a beautiful city, and somewhere I want to get back to someday.
Do you think your Wu Tang style can defeat me?
This is hardly news anymore. At a certain point we either start demanding parity in how workers are treated or just admit that an iPhone is more important. For a lot of folks for whom the iPhone gets them access to a robust social network (in the form of iMessage) the answer is the latter.
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that assembled previous versions as grade schoolers?
I giggle when I see posts list this as you see so many people who act like they give a damn use/sponsor IPhone or other apple products. knowing the conditions they are built in and the use of child labor.... I don't really care, just dont act holier than thou
A few teens worked overtime on Apple phones - meanwhile on Android phone assemblers were literally abused and child labor is routine instead of irregular.
But who cares right, because Not Apple.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Isnâ(TM)t there some kind of court order keeping you from talking about kids on the internet?
Deadlines are important.
If that Felix guy got practically into orbit with balloons and that juts sounds easier, safer, and cheaper, then why doesn't this guy use them? Whatever, I hope he dies.
$1k phone
Of course Apple has to keep those 2000% profit margins...
Corporatism != Free Market
So, these students are "generation X"?
Table-ized A.I.
Remember when you said going to mexico and marrying an "underage" girl would be "getting the most bang for your retirement dollars"
For the sake of full disclosure you said someone you heard of did this. Not you. But you did use all the words I've enclosed in quotes and another time you said that you could liquidate your assets and retire to mexico and marry a "chica".
And you seem passionate about your incorrect belief that underage marriage is legal in much of the usa.
I'd personally ruin rather ruin my adolescence with 11 hours of apple than 24 hours of creimer.
If you think that's bad, come over to the U.S. and do 12-hour days.
What the hell are you talking about. You have repeatedly said you don't do anything at your taxpayer funded workplace and you have years of extensive shitposting to support this claim.
Well as long as Apple is ok with it, then the rest of us should be too. Right? Now go run and pick up that new iphone.
Which in your case is 11 hours shitposting on Slashdot, 30 minutes eating power bars, and 30 minutes doing whatever it is you're actually supposed to do?
Kids are lazy these days. Where I work, the employees in their twenties take about three times as much vacation time as the ones in their forties. They are lazy.
It's been a while since we've seen one of these stories and it appears that some new and refined rationalizations have developed. New entries checked at the end of the list. Props to scourfish, cdreimer, zippo01, SuperKendall and several ACs for your contributions.
Apple/Foxconn worker and environmental exploitation rationalization worksheet
Check all that apply
[_] Making iPhones in a Chinese factory is better than being a Chinese peasant
[_] iPhones/Pads would cost too much if I had to pay my fellow citizens to make them
[_] iPhones/Pads would cost too much given environmental regulations I vehemently insist on for myself
[_] All the other manufacturers are doing it too
[_] Some/Many/Most Chinese workers appreciate 70 hour weeks and breathing my aluminum dust
[_] It's not Apple, it's Foxconn
[_] It's not Apple, it's the Chinese government
[_] They should quit if they don't like it
[_] It's just capitalism at work
[_] It's just communism at work
[_] Apple's disposable workers are paid better than non-Apple disposable workers
[_] Apple's auditors didn't find any serious issues
[_] Some day the Chinese will be too wealthy to exploit
[_] Your Android is Foxconn too
[_] You're an Apple hater using Apple as a scapegoat
[_] I also work 60/80/100/120 hour weeks at my IT job
[_] Apple designers are in the US
[_] The US did the same thing to the British
[_] The US had slaves once too
[_] The US has prison labor today
[_] It's up to the Chinese to stand up to their oppressive government
[_] There are lines of eager workers outside Foxconn factories
[_] If any company were to stop the exploitation, I really think it'll be Apple
[_] Your free Linux runs on Chinese hardware too
[_] Foxconn workers think they have it great, so it's ok!
[_] Foxconn worker suicide rate is lower than Chicago's murder rate
[_] Foxconn worker suicide rate is lower than China's suicide rate
[_] We can't pollute the whole world!
[_] Half of all US households have an Apple product
[_] If we don't exploit them they'll never develop
[_] The suicide's families get the insurance money
[_] You're posting from a macbook/iphone/ipad right now
[_] There are suicide nets on American bridges
[_] Interns in the US don't get paid
[_] They don't beat the workers, apparently.
[_] Why is this news? We expect this from China.
[_] It's their country; we have no right to judge.
[X] If it's voluntary it's ok; their body, their choice.
[X] Only 11 hours/day? Come over to the U.S. and do 12-hour days!
[X] Things are tough all over; I had a job in high school.
[X] Isn't this the case for all smart phones, of all brands?
[X] Android phone assemblers were abused worse
Lurking at the bottom of the gravity well, getting old
There was an article discussing the mandatory overtime and sometimes low pay for these mega factories. I am not at all surprised things haven't changed.
https://www.wired.com/2010/11/thomas-lee-foxconn/all/1/?viewall=true
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Lame.
Welcome to the dark side Apple. Your destination was never in doubt. Just ask the citizens of Cupertino or Ireland...
I guess this is what Tim Cook meant about conquering the Chinese education market. To the victor go the spoils but surely there are UN conventions about child labour in POW camps.
Although hopefully these Chinese students are learning to Think Different and that this will be the generation of young people that finally overthrows the one party state of their great grandparents, tired of being worker slaves for tax-avoiding California-based multinationals.
With Trump promising to bring home manufacturing, high school students across the USA will be demanding equal opportunity. Every child will get a free iPhone as part of their education, provided they do the appropriate number of shifts at their local Apple Inc factory.
Bob Porter: Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it, Bob.
Bob Slydell: You see, what we're trying to do is get a feeling for how people spend their time at work so if you would, would you walk us through a typical day, for you?
Peter Gibbons: Yeah.
Bob Slydell: Great.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh - after that I sorta space out for an hour.
Bob Porter: Da-uh? Space out?
Peter Gibbons: Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
Peter Gibbons: You see, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't even care.
Bob Porter: Don't- don't care?
Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's another thing, I have eight different bosses right now.
Bob Porter: Eight?
Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.
#DeleteFacebook
Or perhaps they have other values and arent enslaved by studentloans and a mortgage?
Naaaaaw.. better to just shit on entire generations like an outoftouch old fart.
Yea back in creimers day you could marry a 12 year old wild thing and get away with it. Stupid laws.
It's funny in concept. The reality is that when you're a temp worker who isn't really working and isn't building up skills, you enjoy the slack time in the short term but you're pretty much fucked when you go out to find your next job. This is particularly true when you're an older worker. Creimer doesn't have savings and recently declared bankruptcy and doesn't have family to help support him. He doesn't even have a car to live in. I fully expect that the next downturn in the economy will leave him homeless.
Sad part is, Creimer is using this slack off time not to build up skills, not to enjoy himself, but to communicate with a bunch of people on the internet who dislike him and make fun of him (for some masochistic reason probably related to a childhood of being hated). If he's committed to fiddling away while the winter's coming, at least he should be doing something actually enjoyable.
"A group of 3,000 students from the Zhengzhou Urban Rail Transit School were sent to work at the local facility run by Taiwan-based Hon Hai Precision Industry, known as Foxconn, as part of a three-month stint that was billed as "work experience," and required to graduate"
How is that voluntary? In that they volunteer to have the desire to graduate high school?
Twinstiq, game news
If they are required to do that work in order to graduate, how exactly is it voluntary?
They keep using that word, but I do not think it means what they think it means.
How's that for a clickbait-y title, folks?
Presenteeism ftw. I am 38 years old and do the same fucking stupid shit as I did 16 years ago. I get paid more, for absolutely no reason, as I fully expect younger people to have more energy and motivation, as well as the copious spare time to learn this week's popular brand of bullshit tech.
There are 27 states don't have a minimum age for marriage. Under the "right" circumstances, you can marry a 12-year-old girl. Out of 50 states, only New Jersey is trying to eliminate child marriages entrely.
The headline says illegal labor. According to Chinese law there was nothing illegal about the labor they used. The labor Foxcon used was against Apple's policies.
A fat man works just hard enough not to get fired
everyone around him is quite tired
I guess they got C.D. Reimered
So you weren't even mad when you suggested that one of your trolls was molesting his children and you would call CPS on them? Were you mad when you took a legal gamble by abusing DMCA claims and then admitted doing so on your public blog. Were you not mad when you made a 3000 word blog post about deleting slashdot? Were you not mad when you made a "Slashdot FAQ" for your trolls and then reposted it in 2016? Were you not mad when you said that your trolls had made slashdot into a hell for you? Were you not mad when you dox'd lilly ayako?
Anyhow if you were using your downtime to add information security credentials to your resume your security clearance and FBI work history would have you making at least 30k more every year. Why don't you use your insurance to get a life coach/therapist and have them help you concentrate on low risk/high return goals instead of wandering around looking for lotto scratchers, risky investment schemes, and low return internet grifting schemes.
Even though you're not making good money for silicon valley you're in a great spot to develop your career. "Cyber" is so hot right now and even the stupidest motherfuckers manage to make bank with a few cheesy certs. This opportunity won't last forever. At the very least you could find an even better position with no other qualified applicants just like you're doing now, and then resume fucking off once your health and welfare are secured beyond the next economic downturn. Sure sure you have some stock scheme, yeah those are famous last words.
Posting two comments per day is hardly communicating. The dumpster fires from those two comments per day are very amusing.
That's not true. You were posting as AC until we refused to discuss anything with you except for your mexican child bride incident and other choice lows from your posting history.
You sound bitter, sweet tits.
Have you stopped raping your 12 roommates yet?
Or do you want to pay $2000?
Have you stopped raping your neighbors' goats?
if it was Elon Musk whipping them to make government subsidized vehicles the media would be applauding him for instilling work ethic. They're not Apple and employees and Apple's due diligence does have a point of demarcation. The story is as slanted as the eyes of these kids.
that treated workers just fine (and with the sorts of protections we expect American workers to have). They only did it because they thought being able to have a phone to market 6 months sooner (because no ocean shipping) was worth it. When those benefits didn't materialize they moved right back to China. But at no time where they ever unprofitable due to high labor costs. The labor barely factored in. But why leave money on the table when you don't have to. Indeed, if you do your shareholders will oust you first chance they get. Or else you'll get Bained in a leveraged buyout when somebody notices the money left on the table and gets a loan from the bank to buy your company out in a hostile takeover.
The world works the way it does because we let it. We let it because we're greedy, short sighted and lack worker solidarity. It's got nothing to do with actual economics and everything to do with people being generally awful.
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There once was a fat man
who lived in a tiny apartment
his neighbors watched in wonderment
as he screamed "yes I can"
running towards the goat farm
You did have to declare bankruptcy after making $30,000 (you're still paying off debt consolidation). $30,000 is a nice enough amount of money, but it's certainly nothing to retire on. If you currently really have only $6,000 in savings, as an aging IT worker with no support network and a higher chance of large medical bills...you have pretty much proven the point that you are a likely candidate for future homelessness.
A quality percent of dividends is 4%. $30K with 4% dividends is like...$100/month. You could turn that $6K into $30K, and then turn it again into $150K, and you'd still be lucky to make dividends of $500/month.
Posting two comments per day is hardly communicating.
Somewhere between 30-50% of the comments in creimer threads are you posting as AC, obviously.
Either you suck as a stock picker or you're lowballing the numbers for creimer. I prefer stocks and bonds that pay 5% to 10% in dividends.
When you buy Apple products, please stop to consider the exploited masses being preyed on by Apple. When you claim to want a living wage for workers and claim you don't mind paying extra in defense of increasing labor costs, then you are a hypocrite if you continue to buy Apple products. /sincerely, Android user
10% dividends & bonds, are you kidding? LOL. If that was really reliably possible, why would anybody invest in anything else? You have no idea what you're talking about.
The S&P 500 average for dividends is 2.5%, and sure you can do better, but in a down economy 5% payback would be unrealistic. And as for bonds, currently the junkiest of junk bonds are paying 6%, and of course you have to worry about defaults (which happen more often in a down economy).
Anyway, who cares. Even if Creimer gets magical consistent 10% returns, $6K would be lucky to last him two months, and even the hypothetical $150K would yield him not enough dividend money to even cover a studio apartment.
It should read
"Apple does what it does every time there is a new model of iphone released"
You're not going to get 10% dividends during a downturn and come out of the recession quintuple the value of the same horde, especially if you've been laid off as your office's LVP and have to use your dividends to live on. Not to mention if you did manage to pull all that off you're going to be complicating your ability to ride out the recession on welfare.
You know what would be a great plan to avoid a recession? Spending your entire bus ride studying for a security certification. You would have the trifecta: Security Clearance, FBI on your resume, and a foot in the door riding on your security cert. They're constantly hiring absolute tools to work in infosec because they have no choice (same way you got your current job) except the pay is much higher.
In another 5 years though, maybe there will be no more cyber shortage, the economy will be recovering from the impending recession, you'll have lost your job as a result and subsequently your security clearance will get revoked as your finances will be in such a mess you'll be lucky to stretch your nestegg far enough to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
Don't forget every time there is a recession all the unemployed people go to community college and re-enter the workforce into IT closet cleaning jobs. So that won't be an option for you this time, even in silicon valley. As you've said many times it's possible to live on 55k there and that will sound absolutely rad to some guy who just finished his IT cert after getting replaced by robots from some previous menial job.
Tick tock creimer will you continue on your self destructive path of lotto tickets, monetized youtube videos, and shitposting or pursue goals with a low risk/high payoff?
Really all you need to do to pursue them is slightly modify part of your already well established routine.
...what has slowly screwed America over. American companies that outsource to other countries to make larger profits because those countries have no ethical values. The American government needs to charge an "Outsource Tax" that is just a smidgen higher than it would cost Apple to higher skilled workers here in the US to make their phones. Fuckin' socialist asshats need their clocks cleaned!
If you want to talk to creimer, why don't you reply directly to him? Not every AC is named Chris and not every AC is a shitty stock picker.
It's interesting that you think he was defending Apple instead of simply pointing out you are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Where is your post complaining about Android assembly practices which are, by any measure, worse?
And yet you and others harp on Apple while using products made with far less accountability. If you all actually cared you'd all be using Apple stuff because at least they try - but obviously you are not. Therefore you do not really care about child labor issues; you just hate Apple. Fair enough but why do you have to fuck over children in the process, you heartless monster?
Because keeping all creimer-related posts deeply nested is important:
1) It reduced the amount of clutter your two measley -1 posts a day can generate for the 98% of slashdot users who never want to see you again and don't care to troll or laugh at you
2) It practically guarantees that anyone down here is one of your trolls or you. This strips you of your ability to sockpuppet AC
The only thing anyone will ever see is maybe your first -1 post and if they see that they'll see a few ACs reminding everyone that you think marrying underage girls is about getting the most for your retirement dollar. Nobody but you, me, and lilly ever sees what goes on down here fatty.
Everything is tied to the stock market via index funds. When the market falls, everything will drop like a rock when everyone and their AI sells their index fund at the same time. The best way to weather the storm is to buy stocks and bonds that ARE NOT in an index fund. Those usually pay higher dividends.
at least they will the have brat stop and mars cheese castle to pay give free stuff to help you on your 12 hour shift.
What that hell happened to that sentence? Did you mean to type, "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all"?
Where's the 'All of the above' check box?
Apple does audits and puts policies in place to fix this. Most organization call this continuous improvement and it only happens in an environment of transparency. Apple should get kudos for getting on this first. Their track record will never be perfect, but what is important is that they care enough to try to make things better.
Just wait maybe a few years more to see how robots end these problems, for better or worse.
"You don't consider keeping every comment by creimer at -1"
Huh? *YOU* managed that all by yourself by being an obnoxious, unlikable PEST at every turn.
" and then shitposting 25+ comments for every comment"
Your entire posting history here is one long bowel movement, Chris.
" stalking?"
Stalking? Really?
Huh? Every stock is in an index fund of some sort. Donâ(TM)t know if youâ(TM)re the same person, but again you have no idea what youâ(TM)re talking about. Like you donâ(TM)t even understand high school level fundamentals.
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