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More Young People Are Becoming Farmers (axios.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: "For only the second time in the last century, the number of farmers under 35 years old is increasing, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's latest Census of Agriculture," the WashPost's Caitlin Downey reports in a front-pager with the lovely headline, "A growing movement." 69% of the surveyed young farmers had college degrees -- significantly higher than the general population.

117 comments

  1. Re:Let me guess by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    Subsidized corn to make ethanol crap? FTFY

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  2. Sometimes popular culture creates motivations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just like how the Apollo program got many interested in STEM careers we can see now that our investment in FarmVille has also paid off.

    Now just wait for the uptick in the number of confectioners to come around...

    1. Re: Sometimes popular culture creates motivations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too funny and so true

    2. Re:Sometimes popular culture creates motivations by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Just like how the Apollo program got many interested in STEM careers we can see now that our investment in FarmVille has also paid off.

      Now just wait for the uptick in the number of confectioners to come around...

      For today's young farmers, STEMs are what is leftover after the good stuff is gone.

  3. Not surprised by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, you look at open space offices, the daily grind, lack of job security, the housing market and voilÃ, farming keeps looking better and better. With the whole bio/organic trend, you don't even need to treat animals like crap and all the newfangled technology makes the hard labor much more bearable than a few decades ago.

    It ain't for me but I do get it.

    1. Re:Not surprised by pr0fessor · · Score: 0

      It's also not a bad idea to know how to feed yourself either. I grew up in the mid-west and if I had to I could grow and hunt for food, make jelly, can vegetables and fruit, and dig a well.

      I could probably also build a some crude wind turbines to generate power and charge a battery bank.

    2. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically I can't think of a more insecure profession than farming ... one shitty month of weather and you can't get enough money from your crop to feed yourself for the next 12 months.

      Thinking that farming is an easy peasey job -- stick some seeds in the ground and roll up Js for the next 8 months while it grows -- is a quick path to personal bankruptcy.

    3. Re: Not surprised by Lynchenstein · · Score: 1

      You're a Stompin' Tom fan, right!?? I came from the city many months ago Sold almost everything and it gave me quite a stake ya know I bought me self a section of the finest farmin' land But how they make a fortune I don't understand I bought new machinery the very best to see But always buying new parts and half me crop is weeds The weasal took me chickens, while arsenick killed me cow The wife went home to mother, the black earth got me sow I'm a poor, poor farmer what am I gonna do? A poor, poor farmer full of rabbit'stew A poor poor farmer always on the go Prayin' to get my farm work caught up before the snow The rabbits ate me garden the hail took all me wheat It seems I'm working round the clock, I'm really gettin' beat Grasshoppers came the other day just like a million goats Before I knew just what to do they cut down all me oats Well I loaded up the grass seed and started off to town Seems like every mile I made the price kept goin' down The most of it was stuckage from wild oats to flax And when we came to settle up I owed them for the sacks I'm a poor, poor farmer what am I gonna do? A poor, poor farmer full of rabbit'stew A poor poor farmer always on the go Prayin' to get my farm work caught up before the snow I woke up this morning feelin' mighty low I gazed upon the patatoe field all covered up with snow First me wheat, then me oats now me spuds are gone The grub box is empty, how will I carry on? But still I got me freedom, my credit rating is high Don't have to pack a lunck box or heed the whistle's cry I'll always be a farmer I don't care about a thing And if I can get the tractor fixed I'll combine in the spring. I'm a poor, poor farmer and I'll always be A poor, poor farmer cause farming is for me I'd rather be the farmer cause farming's what I love And I'll still be a farmer up in the land above I'm a poor, poor farmer what am I gonna do? A poor, poor farmer I'm full of rabbit'stew A poor poor farmer always on the go Prayin' to get me farm work caught up before the snow And that's the way a poor poor farmers life must go

    4. Re:Not surprised by avandesande · · Score: 1

      There is more to life than finding an 'easy' job

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    5. Re:Not surprised by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Could be worse than that. Read your post apocalyptic literature.

      If the US or any modern country crashed completely people in the cities are going to die off pretty badly due to crime, disease, hunger and so on. Cut off the water and sewage and you'll get spectacular disease outbreaks in a densely populated urban environment. The average densely populated urban environment in the US has unarmed bourgeois, domesticated types a few days walk at most (or a few hours drive) from an area with a lot of criminals, many armed. While civilisation holds, the police keep them apart. If it failed all hell would break lose.

      And as people have observed civilisation is 'three meals from revolution'. Cities need to import food from the countryside.

      People out in the country with an artesian well, solar panels, a stockpile of food, the land to grow more and a lot of guns to ward off scavengers/hunt game would fare better.

      Arguably city dwellers like more government because they're dependent on government. Rural types are less dependent and therefore less keen. In a worst case scenario, it's pretty clear the rural types are better place to survive.

      People divesting from the cities could be a leading indicator of collapse.

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    6. Re:Not surprised by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      It's also not a bad idea to know how to feed yourself either. I grew up in the mid-west and if I had to I could grow and hunt for food, make jelly, can vegetables and fruit, and dig a well.

      I could probably also build a some crude wind turbines to generate power and charge a battery bank.

      I loves me my technology, but I also do foraging, gardening, curing, and other charcuterie and even canning as a way to connect with the earth. There is also a tradition with my relatives and old school friends of sharing food that we made. That Eastern European thing of breaking bread and all.

      I recently finished up a big batch of Concorde Grape jelly, and do a kickass dry rubbed bacon. Tomorrow I start the fall sausage making with smoked Hungarian hot sausage, sage breakfast links, and patties. I don't hunt any more, but friends will drop off venison that I make bologna out of. Smoked trout makes for a good snack as well, and I make something called Salmon candy, which does involve the store bought stuff. cured, smoked and sweet. Damn it - now I'm hungry.

      As for the windmill generator, Farmers were at the forefront of off-grid power generation. Before the Rural Electrification project in the 1930's, the windmills were in use generating power to banks of batteries. There was a whole sub industry of building radios and home lighting that ran on 12 volts.

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    7. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's insurance for that. But these kids don't need it. They're living off daddy's money. Millennials can't afford an empty quarter acre to build a shelter out of fallen sticks on. They sure as hell cant afford 80 acres of farmland, a house, and all the machinery that goes with it.

      Every farmer I know, and I know 3, is a millionaire. The poor country farm owner is a myth.

      The poor country farm laborer, on the other hand, is a real thing, and also the best prospect for most millennials.

    8. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming they graduated with STEM degrees. For other degrees, this beats a job at McDonald's.

    9. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who got into farming a decade ago, kinda by accident when I wanted a temporary sabbatical from my (computer) research job, I've not seen many downsides. Low (sometimes very) income, but living expenses are likewise low and as long as I don't go for flashy, I can afforded every opportunity to nerd out.

      Low stress, clean air, healthy living. Plenty of free time, and especially time to spend with people I care about (and not in a fb sense). I still like to play with computers and engines and don't have to work on things I don't want to (like putting out office fires). It feels like a more intentional life than sitting around looking at screen fulls of digital waveforms for a device that will allow for an incremental increase in time to watch a video on a phone.

    10. Re:Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If you don't find your job easy (even the hardest of labor is easy if you enjoy it), you're in the wrong line of work. I'd say finding an easy job is the first step to a happy and productive life.

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    11. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How has the crash of wholesale pot prices affected you?

    12. Re:Not surprised by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      all the newfangled technology

      Let's hope their parents are more supportive of this newfangled technology. Some can't believe that food growing is a wonderful thing.

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    13. Re:Not surprised by avandesande · · Score: 1

      WTH did you reply to me? I am not the one mangling the use of the word easy when describing a job!

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    14. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its called crop insurance buddy

    15. Re:Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      You go ahead and think that. Most people would find what I do for a living to be quite difficult; I find it easy because I love what I do.

      Most people would find it hard to work in a field like rocket science, as well; but rocket scientists find it easy. Sure, the math might be complex, and there's a lot you have to keep track of; but, if you have a genuine interest in what you're doing, you find it easy, no matter what it is. Personally, I doubt I'd last a week as a rocket scientist or a farmer, and it's just as likely that rocket scientists and farmers would find my work hard, as well.

      If you can't understand what that means, well, I feel sorry for you as you'll likely never live up to your full potential.

      And, for the record, that AC's use of easy was correct.

      achieved without great effort; presenting few difficulties

      - or -

      Thinking that farming is a job achieved without great effort is a quick path to personal bankruptcy.

      Yeah, I think that's the point they were trying to make, and it reads quite well.

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    16. Re:Not surprised by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      I spent one term doing tax returns for farmers in SouthWest Ontario (well, collecting their data for the computer to generate the return) back in the 1970's. My manager said "Farmers live poor and die rich", and that was often the case - they made very little from actually farming, but when they died and the family sold the farm, they were often wealthy as urban encroachment and the demand for more sub-divisions made the land quite expensive. Very few farmers that I met were actually making a lot of money - enough to live on, but hardly enough to retire on. (although, to be fair, as I was quite new in the job, I got the low gross income farmers, so my sample set might have been skewed.) I also heard this tragic story a number of times: farmer reached 60 or so, decided to retire, sold the farm, moved to the city, and died in less than a year. Without the daily routine of chores, etc., it seemed they had nothing to do, so they just withered away.

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    17. Re:Not surprised by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I guess getting paid to be a pedantic cunt must be satisfying!

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    18. Re:Not surprised by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      It's been a long time since I've done anything like that but my family used to have about half an acre that we would plant every year with beets, potatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, green beans, tomatoes, and radish. We also had a couple grape vines, strawberries, and mulberry trees. The strawberries and grapes didn't grow well it get's to cold here.

    19. Re:Not surprised by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      But you're living in a rural area. No culture, no art, no symphony orchestra. 98% white, no diversity. Instead, you get country music, ignorant people, and oxy. Flyover territory. What kind of educated college graduate would ever voluntarily choose a life like that?

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    20. Re:Not surprised by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Probably not a good idea to make career decisions based on fantasy scenarios

    21. Re:Not surprised by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Well I'm not American and don't live in America so none of this really affects my career.

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    22. Re:Not surprised by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You have a glorified view of farming combined with a very bleek view of the office and conflated all that with a lot of completely irrelevant things.

      - Open planned offices: Not all that bad. If you need privacy put on some noise cancelling headphones. If you're autistic, don't work in one. On the flip side the social aspect of them is fantastic.
      - The daily grind: Change jobs. No seriously if you described what you do as a daily grind, CHANGE JOBS. My work is fun, takes me to interesting places to meet interesting people and even when I'm in my open plan office I am greeted with an endless string of interesting and mentally stimulating challenges.
      - What housing market? If you're living in Silicon Valley, move. You don't need to move to a farm, pretty much everywhere else will do and the housing market is just fine.
      - Lack of job security? Huh? What industry are you working in?

      As for farming:
      - Bio/Organic trend and not treating animals like crap: Sure, just don't expect to get rich of free ranging everything. Or even make a living, let alone pay off your house properly. But there is a labour aspect involved, like the bio/organic field around the corner from my house which for certification reasons needs to sit completely unused for 3 years. Though I'm not sure the owner of it is laying on a beach on holiday somewhere, rather working an evening job.
      - New technology reducing labour: Wake up, you're dreaming. There's been no change of labour in farming in the past 100+ years. The only thing that has changed is yield. It doesn't matter how high-tech your farm is, you will be up well before dawn, you will work well after the stars light up the sky. You will be working continuously and all the while managing several {insert nationality here depending on your country} immigrant workers who are helping your farm stay afloat due to all the manual labour involved.

      Farming is hard. If people are getting into farming for the reasons you list, they will fail.

      That's before you look at the relative merits of living in the city vs the country. Many people from one background are not cut out for the other. That said, I do see plenty try.

    23. Re: Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know, I was only responding to your pedantry.

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    24. Re:Not surprised by mellon · · Score: 1

      I live in a farming community in southern Vermont. We have better access to music here than in New York City, where I used to live. Why? Very high quality musicians, lots smaller audiences. Still plenty of people show up, so the musicians aren't starving, but my piano teacher is someone I wouldn't have a prayer of learning from if I lived in New York, because she'd only be teaching the top students.

      I don't think every community is like this, but it seems pretty common in Vermont. A lot of those farmers also play an instrument.

    25. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      98% white, no diversity.

      That's a feature, not a bug!

      What kind of educated college graduate would ever voluntarily choose a life like that?

      Maybe the ones who value their lives?

    26. Re: Not surprised by ranton · · Score: 1

      Every farmer I know, and I know 3, is a millionaire. The poor country farm owner is a myth.

      The poor country farm laborer, on the other hand, is a real thing, and also the best prospect for most millennials.

      I grew up in a farming community and there were two very different classes of farmers. One owned land passed down to them by their parents. They were very well off and their kids became instant millionaires as soon as their parents died and the farm was sold off.

      The other class, and they were the majority in my area, rented their farmland or were hired hands. They made a working class living. My father was lucky enough to rent land from a long time friend of the family who had no intention of making the most profit possible. Luckily after that owner died her kids let him farm another 4 years with the same low rates until he retired, even as their lawyer tried to convince them otherwise. My father had it very easy and made far more money than most farmers who rented land.

      The poor country farmer is not a myth, but it isn't the vast majority either. Across the country about half of small family farms are owned by the family, although many of these could be considered "house poor" because so much of their wealth is tied to their land until they sell the farm.

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    27. Re:Not surprised by ranton · · Score: 1

      If the US or any modern country crashed completely people in the cities are going to die off pretty badly due to crime, disease, hunger and so on. [...] People out in the country with an artesian well, solar panels, a stockpile of food, the land to grow more and a lot of guns to ward off scavengers/hunt game would fare better.

      If civilization really crashed, city dwellers would migrate out to rural areas very quickly. And no amount of small arms would stop that migration. Well funded armies can be toppled by revolution; rural families with a couple rifles each won't fare any better. It isn't like urban dwellers would just stay in the city without enough food and water, they will go to where the cultivatable land is.

      Arguably city dwellers like more government because they're dependent on government. Rural types are less dependent and therefore less keen.

      Those rural types are just as dependent on the government for the protection of property rights. The average small farm owner probably relies on the government more than your average city dweller because they have more wealth tied to land rights which the government defends.

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    28. Re:Not surprised by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      If the US or any modern country crashed completely people in the cities are going to die off pretty badly due to crime, disease, hunger and so on.

      Crashed, how? What would completely render the hundreds of cities all across the nation uninhabitable, but somehow allow agriculture to continue untouched?

      Nuclear war? Infectious disease? Robot apocalypse? The countryside is immune to none of those. Nuclear winter will kill crops even faster than supplies will run out in a city (which is about 3 months last I heard). Maybe disease will not spread as quickly, but if it's a really nasty disease with airborne transmission, a multi-year incubation period and very high death rate, the rural areas will get infected as well, long before anyone notices that it exists. Killer robots will be flying, so a city, with high-rising obstacles everywhere and no clear view of the target, is actually a more difficult environment. Meanwhile your 12 gauge is not going to shoot down any drones more than 500 feet up.

    29. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That...that literally proves his point. You are being a pedantic cunt. Even people not part of the conversation have taken notice enough to post about it.

    30. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone makes career decisions based on fantasy scenarios.

      Every prediction of the future is a fantasy scenario until it's proven true.

    31. Re:Not surprised by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      As someone who got into farming a decade ago, kinda by accident when I wanted a temporary sabbatical from my (computer) research job, I've not seen many downsides. Low (sometimes very) income, but living expenses are likewise low and as long as I don't go for flashy, I can afforded every opportunity to nerd out.

      That's when you're healthy and had a lot of money from your previous job. It works fine in the short term, but not necessarily long term. Health care isn't going to be any cheaper in rural areas, in fact, doctors are paid 25% more in Iowa than New York. Specialists, even more so. Farming equipment will fail and need to be serviced or replaced. You need to buy gas, fertilizer, feed etc. to keep the farm running. Your house needs upkeep, as does your car or truck. You need to save money for contingencies, such as a drought or an unexpected cold spell that could destroy a year's worth of income. And if you have kids and want them to go to college, that's even more money.

      In the end, a farm is a business, and to continue functioning, it needs to balance the revenue against the costs. If you can run a successful business, you'll be a good farmer. But it's much easier to make 6 figures with a tech job, then buy a house in the suburbs with a big yard and just grow things as a hobby.

    32. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% post justification of emotional positioning. Let me guess: you live in a city.

      This has played out many many times and your silly rationalizations have been proven wrong many many times.

    33. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong on every objective point, as usual.

      You are a people person, not a technology person. Why do you pretend you are something you are not?

      In the industry we have a label for people like you: deadwood.

    34. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, are laughably moronic. A farmer can bury his shit and dig a well.

    35. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

    36. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking white male, a white male!

    37. Re: Not surprised by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I remember wild strawberries in the middle latitudes of Finland being crazy awesome. They were quite a bit smaller than the ones you buy in stores - is that what you mean by grow well?

    38. Re:Not surprised by ranton · · Score: 1

      100% post justification of emotional positioning. Let me guess: you live in a city.

      Nope, my dad was a farmer and I lived the first 20 years of my life about 15 miles outside of a rural farm town. You seem to have some mythical view of farmers who can live off the land and repel a dozen invaders with his ex-Marine combat skills. Most of them are just as dependent on technology as those who live in the city. My dad's main cash crop yields grew from about 75 bushels an acre in the 70's to nearly 200 bushels an acre when he retired a few years ago, and all of that was from relying more technology. If my dad was still farming and Monsanto stopped producing seeds next year, he wouldn't grow anything but alfalfa. If his tractor broke down needing anything but the most minor repairs, he wouldn't grow anything either. 20 years ago he would just ask a neighbor for help, but while today's technology may make him twice as productive it also makes him nearly completely dependent on that technology.

      On the other hand, the farmers near the suburbs I work now grow mostly vegetables for local consumers. They would do much better.

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    39. Re: Not surprised by ranton · · Score: 1

      You sir, are laughably moronic. A farmer can bury his shit and dig a well.

      Is that some kind of joke? I'm not exactly sure how a farmer burying his possessions helps when millions of migrants from the cities come to take their land. The 2% of the population who are farmers aren't going to be any better off than the other 98% when those masses are looking for land to plant crops.

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    40. Re: Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Eh? He was being pedantic about someone's use of the word "easy". How does me pointing out his pednatry (after he called me a pedant, mind you) make me a cunt? Sorry, no, he was both wrong and being pedantic; I was merely pointing that out after he fired the first shot.

      The post of mine to which he initially replied was actually making a point which he still has been unable to acknowledge.

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    41. Re:Not surprised by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      You're living among the basket of deplorables. What does that say about you?

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    42. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This comment says way more about you than it does him.

    43. Re:Not surprised by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Easy and enjoyable are two different things. Something can be enjoyable because it's challenging; something easy can be boring.

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    44. Re: Not surprised by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Cute story, prove it.

    45. Re:Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Do you not find it easier to make yourself do something you enjoy than it is to make yourself do something boring? There are multiple ways something might be easy and, yes, it is possible for something to be both easy and challenging at the same time; performing the task itself may well be the most challenging thing anyone's ever done but, if you truly enjoy it, it might be the easiest thing you've ever made yourself do.

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    46. Re: Not surprised by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      More likely, seizing crops and maybe a return to serfdom. Hunger is a powerful motivator and the numbers are on the urban side.

    47. Re:Not surprised by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      ... Most people would find it hard to work in a field like rocket science, ...

      Unintentional farming pun?

    48. Re:Not surprised by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Very unintentional, as is most of my best material... I'll file that one away for later use, though; thanks for pointing it out.

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  4. Realization by Jfetjunky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe some are realizing there are other paths to life than spending a majority of it sitting in traffic and in a cubicle. Good for them. Farming is no picnic of its own, of course, but definitely a different road.

    1. Re:Realization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cubicle? Please tell me the name of this wonderful company you work for. These days the best situation you can hope for his open plan hell, and many people feel lucky if they have a desk. A lot are forced to hot desk because it's cool and trendy, and shows how dynamic you are.

  5. Can't trust the government by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    It's because the government is incompetent and young people are smart enough to realize the future of the current system is uncertain. Buy land, learn to live off of it, learn to shoot, learn self defense and protect your land. Learn how to build dwellings and maintain them. Move your family onto the land and live in a self sufficient way. It's not an easy life but when the government is incompetent and influenced by corporations to keep us all in wage slavery, it's not surprising that people would consider this lifestyle as a better alternative to what is going on today and what might be down the road in the future. FWIW - I really do hope our country gets back to the principles it was founded on so that people will trust in it again. That trust at this point is battered.

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    1. Re:Can't trust the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW - I really do hope our country gets back to the principles it was founded on so that people will trust in it again.

      I too agree, we should insist that we don't have to house troops in our personal homes ! Screw the first amendment and the second amendment... when was the last time you heard a politician praise the power of the third amendment anymore !

    2. Re:Can't trust the government by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      I've been campaigning to repeal the third amendment. We can solve a lot of problems by stationing troops in people's homes.

    3. Re:Can't trust the government by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't be too hard. According to NewsWeak (sic), some $4700 in paid tweets, and $1000 a month for a dozen trolls were enough to tip the entire US election to Trump. For $25,000, you should be able to reach your goal!

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    4. Re:Can't trust the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Especially in places like Detroit, Baltimore and St. Louis.

    5. Re:Can't trust the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you be willing to bet that President Trump doesn't even know what the third amendment says?

    6. Re:Can't trust the government by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of US citizens don't know what the third amendment says.

    7. Re:Can't trust the government by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Or Washington D.C., NYC and Silicon Valley. Might even cut down the murder rate in Chicago.

  6. Cities == Death. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We are living in a post-production, post-oil, post-leviathan, post-wealth world.
    Cities are decaying, and increasingly Dickensian.
    Industries have eaten themselves from the inside out.
    Education has become a trap instead of a means of escape.
    Debt is everywhere.
    Wealth is gone.
    Increasingly fragile financial video games cannot keep the whole rotten structure from crashing in much longer.
    Opportunity is dead within these mouldering husks of of a civilization well past its zenith.

    Soon paper "assets" won't matter anymore.
    Soon, iPurts and SV Apps won't be valued enough to spend money on.
    When the system brakes down, or turns into what it's slowly becoming, people will spend money on food.
    They'll have to.
    People will move out of our dystopian, insane urbanities and back to cheaper, slower, simplistic rural and smaller town economies.
    They'll have to.
    Wealth will transfer from unproductive, scammed out the ass ponzi assets back to real assets. Back to people who make things, move things, fix things.
    It will have nowhere else to go.
    Farmers will sit at the top of the an economy that will value things that are real, which people need. As owners of land and (real) productive assets, they will hold most of the cards in a world where neither education, technology, qualifications, or institutions mean very much anymore.

    If the politicans allow them.

    1. Re:Cities == Death. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't the world end back in 2012?

    2. Re:Cities == Death. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read this entire screed to myself in the voice of an old man with a straw in his mouth mumbling to no one in particular while he whittles. I've seen such things in movies and when I drive my Tesla on wine tasting trips. (Fun tip: super chargers out there are few and far in between! Be careful everyone!)

      Thanks for the entertaining latte break!

      Back to my apps!

    3. Re: Cities == Death. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eeeerg?

  7. Alternate Headline by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Facing Rising Unemployment, Young People Return to Subsistence Living

    1. Re:Alternate Headline by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Facing Rising Unemployment, Young People Return to Subsistence Living

      It's ironic isn't is? During the Industrial Revolution, industrial tycoons had difficulty convincing people in rural communities to come work in factories. They had to compel them with competitive wages. Now the corporate universe keeps trying to use psychological tricks to get us to digest more and more bullshit reasons to work more for less wages and now it's sparked a trend of fleeing the post-industrial world back to rural communities. The big difference between rural work and corporate work is that you, the individual, reap the rewards of rural work while in the corporate world, it's the Board of Directors that reaps most of the benefits. It's no surprise why people would be compelled to move back to rural communities.

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    2. Re:Alternate Headline by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      It's far from the subsistence living of 100 years ago. For a couple hundred dollars, I can buy everything from ebay to enjoy a modern comfortable life and for a couple hundred more, set up a large in home entertainment center, bigger than an entire NY apartment. $7k will buy me 8kw/240v solar power.

    3. Re:Alternate Headline by Brickwall · · Score: 2

      I don't even think it's the question of benefits so much as satisfaction. When you bring in a crop, or see your livestock, you know what you've done - you've created food from scratch and you're helping to feed your fellow man. That has to be much more satisfying than the poor saps at, e.g., Wells Fargo - 'great, I just added another eight phony accounts to my customers, that'll make the boss happy!"

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    4. Re: Alternate Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having both farmed and senior-level sysadmin'd (about 20 years each), I do miss the satisfaction of seeing something real grow; of making something tangible with my hands. Programming and computer stuff are also rewarding in their own way, and pay better with better job stability - but there is a real appeal to farming as well.

  8. Not your fathers farming. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Modern Farming is often more Technically advanced then many of these so called Tech jobs. Automated Robotic Systems, Big data collections, Bio and Chemical Engineering... Farmer Brown needs to be just as Apt in front of a computer as he does with a pitchfork.

    Farming may be tough work, but it is challenging hands on career that for some people is very reward. Me growing up on a Farm, it is the furthest thing I would like to do, but for others it is a good rewarding job.

    With the rise in interest of more natural farming, and locally sourced food etc... It would make sense that a renewed interest in farming is becoming more popular. Besides a lot of people think we are going to hit some big disaster that will knock us to the dark ages, so being a farmer is a good place to be.

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    1. Re:Not your fathers farming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Modern Farming is often more Technically advanced then many of these so called Tech jobs. Automated Robotic Systems, Big data collections, Bio and Chemical Engineering... Farmer Brown needs to be just as Apt in front of a computer as he does with a pitchfork.

      There's certainly truth to that, but from what I've seen most back-to-the-Earth types are starting small farms, not 1000+ acre monoculture farms where the technical skills you're talking about are really mandatory. More knowledge is a good thing, but when you're dealing with 40 or less acres of multiple crops the skills and entire experience is very different.

    2. Re: Not your fathers farming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farmer John could do all that, but it's more likely he'll lease the land to farmer Jose and take 50% of the crop. This allows him to focus on further real estate speculation, which is his real specialty.

    3. Re:Not your fathers farming. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not your father's farming, but equally as hard. Actually even harder as the farmer is now not only expected to put in massive effort farming, but along with the technical stuff you mention you need to be a savvy business man, no longer selling goods on a local market but rather signing large scale contracts for goods, often managing staff (to use the term kindly), not to mention juggling service agreements with every bloody vendor attempting to lock you out of their black boxes.

      I'll be honest. I don't have what it takes to be a farmer.

    4. Re:Not your fathers farming. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, despite the common rhetoric, today's citizen knows alot more about alot more things then past citizens. We have to know how to do things because someone is constantly trying to scam us.

  9. They need to by TykeClone · · Score: 2

    The average age of farmers in the US is about retirement age.

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  10. Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legal Weed

    1. Re:Two Words by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed the correct answer is this far down the page.

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    2. Re:Two Words by ark1 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, wish I had mod points

  11. Garbage article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not a real article. Just a few quotes from another article. The original WP article is also full of holes. It is comparing the number of new, very small farms of today to the multi-generational, larger farms of previous generations. Apples to oranges. I lived in New Hampshire for a while. Right outside Hanover. Half the people I worked with at the tech firm had small farms, raised chickens, goats, vegetables, and grain. None of these would have been counted in this article as farmers.

    The most important quote says it all - "This new generation can’t hope to replace the numbers that farming is losing to age."

  12. Money Problems? by JimSadler · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Unless someone gives you a productive farm what sense does it make to acquire one? A farm is like a roulette wheel. Once in a rare while you hit a jack pot but usually something bad ruins your season. Drought, bugs, wilt and fungus and all kinds of changing laws and tax rates stack the deck. So not only must a farmer fight the obvious problems but new farmers also have to pay off mortgages, pay for major machinery etc..Farming is a hard path to survive. Odd ball types of farms may do better than traditional farms. In my area some farmers get by with sidelines that are gimmicks such as selling dwarf goats that are usually kept as pets or odd ball chickens or baby pot belly pigs. Collecting honey for curb side sales can add to the till. And if you have enough room for a horse barn and path you can make a buck keeping other peoples' horses or even have a catfish farm.

  13. Not surprising really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the current job market, farming is probably the easiest job someone can find or start for a young person.
    Not to mention all the new technologies that make it easier than ever before.

  14. sex out of the city by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I credit farmersonly.com

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  15. Good thing land is so cheap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I will start a farm right now!

    1. Re:Good thing land is so cheap! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      $5k/acre.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  17. Broken record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah yeah yeah the governement is incompetent corporations are evil bla bla bla. Heard this all before a million times.

    There's a huge difference between acquiring skills and becoming self sufficient on one side (good thing) and becoming a paranoid para-military prepper on the other (bad thing)

    Must really suck to view everything as a threat and everyone as an ennemy. That's not the kind of life I want to live. But that doesn't mean I'm delusional either.

    I really do hope our country gets back to the principles it was founded on

    Not with that attitude it won't. Countries don't simply "fix" themselves while their citizens retreat to their bunkers cutting themselves off from the world. Do you know what "countries" are ? People. Tired of incompetent governements ? Stop electing incompetent people. Tired of evil corporations ? Stop giving them freely and wilingly your money. Presidents and CEO's are just people too, picked from the pool of the general population.

    As a great man once said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Educate sourselves. Get involved. Become more knowledgeable, smarter, wiser, more mature, more rational. People do get the kind of governement (and corporations) they deserve. Become a people worthy of the kind of governement you demand.

    1. Re:Broken record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Not with that attitude it won't. Countries don't simply "fix" themselves while their citizens retreat to their bunkers cutting themselves off from the world.

      It's perfectly possible to do both, you know.

    2. Re:Broken record by Brickwall · · Score: 2

      " Countries don't simply "fix" themselves while their citizens retreat to their bunkers cutting themselves off from the world. " Jeezus H. F'ing... clearly, you have never lived in a rural area. People there don't "cut themselves off"; they know better than any urbanite how much they need the help of their friends and neighbours when they're in trouble. I've lived in urban areas most of my life, and I don't know the names of the people two doors down, or across the street. In the country, you know everyone for miles around, including how many kids they have, what car they drive, and what church they go to. I'd argue the sense of real community is much, much stronger in the countryside than it is in the city.

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    3. Re:Broken record by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      There's a huge difference between acquiring skills and becoming self sufficient on one side (good thing) and becoming a paranoid para-military prepper on the other (bad thing)

      You sir have this all wrong. Yes there is a point to the 2nd amendment whereby you should be able to own weapons to protect yourself in case the government goes apeshit. You do know history right? There have been many oppressive regimes throughout history that were by many yard sticks evil. Some of them even started with good intentions and turn into corrupt, foul abominations. The framers of the Constitution sought to put in place a framework that would hopefully counterbalance most concerns into a state of balance but the reality is no one has ever seen such a system work forever. All empires historically have risen and fallen. This historical lesson is the basis for two things:

      1) If the government becomes oppressive, citizens have a way to defend themselves and possibly take back control of their country
      2) If the government destabilizes or is overthrown (or even taken over by some other country), you have a way to protect yourself during the transition period of anarchy and lawlessness that usually follows

      The liberal mindset in all these scenarios is to look for someone else to protect you and take care of you but in these scenarios, and there are plenty of examples in history if you can be bothered to read, you only have yourself and if you're not ready, you're fucked.

      Now, like I said, I really hope none of that happens and the country realizes it's better to compromise than let things get to the point but I'm not willing to take the risk of putting my faith in a system that is pretty wobbly at the moment.

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    4. Re:Broken record by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Tired of incompetent governements ? Stop electing incompetent people.

      There is no one worth a shit to vote for.

      As a great man once said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

      Bullshit. You can't do that when the government is practically owned by corporate America. The sum total of all influence power of normal citizens is minuscule compared to the corporate lobby machine. We need real leadership to stand up.

      Educate yourselves. Get involved. Become more knowledgeable, smarter, wiser, more mature, more rational.

      I already am educated and very rational. Get off your high horse. You're the one who isn't looking at reality and being rational. You're advocating exercises in futility which are by definition completely IRRATIONAL.

      Become a people worthy of the kind of government you demand.

      We already are. No one gives a fuck about the voice of the people anymore. The halls of justice are painted with greed and power.

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    5. Re:Broken record by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      People there don't "cut themselves off"; they know better than any urbanite how much they need the help of their friends and neighbours

      You're a fucktard for thinking I'm not a contributing part of my community. I most certainly am dipshit. I'm talking about country in the macro sense. You know the one we pay taxes to? Or is that too advanced of a concept for your small brain to grasp?

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  18. Well put & agreed 110%... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ... & I don't think you're merely speculating either. Sounds like logical conclusions (grew up next to a farm & was an AVID 'farmer' myself (not weed etc. like others are stating here, often by unidentifiable anonymous - go figure)).

    * I did gardens on my land (big ones) circa 2002-2008 for fun initially but found out it is FREE food on the VERY cheap & doesn't take very much land to feed 1 person from spring to winter (13 week outta April into October easily as far as crop - preservation vs. winter via canning etc. in mason jars was next step beyond it... it works).

    APK

    P.S.=> I was @ this a decade++ ago just learn (actually, re-learn from my youth 1-13 in the countryside BEFORE I became a suburbanite (highschool years) & then "urbanite" then onward - & I agree on your most stressed point - urban centers would be a NIGHTMARE if the logistics of society were cut-off (or the welfare))... apk

    1. Re:Well put & agreed 110%... apk by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      One of the things I learned collecting tax data from farmers is that, in Canada anyway, the tax department IMPUTES income to the farmer on any crops/livestock that he grows and feeds his family with. Slaughtered a calf each fall? That's $1500 added to your income. Have a big garden? If you're a farmer, that produce is income!

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  19. Sounds like me... by used2win32 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work in the tech industry. I live on a farm.

    We do not have a sprawling farms with hundreds of acres. Our farm is less than five acres. We have two homes, a barn, a shop and cross pastured land. We use the land to raise our own meat. We raise dairy and meat goats and cows, chickens, turkeys, hogs, sheep and lamb. We like to say that our animals were conceived here, born here, raised here, died here, and were processed here.

    We know exactly what is in our meat. Mothers milk, hay, grass, alfalfa, corn, oats, peas, wheat, rye, barley and a few treats like salted peanuts and apples. They also get, do to the naturally low levels in our soil, a magnesium supplement. That is it.

    We have friends who grow the hay and grains we get, some who raise veggies (we only raise a few items). The barter system goes a long way.

    Why do we do it? I find myself looking at the paragraph above, "We know exactly what is in our meat." Do you? After we process an animal, they are kept in one of our six freezers. Have some for us and some we barter/sell from. When they are not used, they are unplugged.

    ...Also, running a small farm, our only "equipment" is a pickup, a four horse stock trailer, and a bobcat loader with two attachments. The cost of entry is not too bad.

    Try it, you may like it.

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    1. Re:Sounds like me... by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      Please mod this up. This guy gets it.

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  20. Well no shit, the modern workplace sucks by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

    With attitudes like this being pervasive in the SJWs that run HR, who wouldn't prefer a good self-employment option if they can find one they like?

    1. Re:Well no shit, the modern workplace sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She isn't concerned because, statistically, it pretty much doesn't happen.

    2. Re:Well no shit, the modern workplace sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get those statistics?

  21. They realized: Tech has failed us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They realized: Tech has failed us.

    And they're going the other direction.

  22. Farmers? by genessy · · Score: 1

    No, the three free range chickens and window box full of "organic" wheatgrass you have in your condo don't count.

  23. on my farm.. by sucko · · Score: 0

    I raise young people, run them through a gauntlet and use a stun bot gun right in their useless heads.

    Peep this! *thunk*

  24. WoW - that's nuts & I've seen things... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Online @ YouTube (so, then take it w/ a grain of salt perhaps?) that said "the powers that be" don't want to let you grow your OWN food on YOUR OWN LAND (trying to make laws vs. it) - have you heard OR seen the same?

    * Just curious...

    APK

    P.S.=> I could "theoretically" see those selfsame "powers that WANNAbe" (as I call 'em lol) trying to keep you DEPENDENT on them & THEIR system - things like running your own business (not being dependent on paychecks from some large controlled corporation) or farm would be contrary to that & set a "bad example" others MIGHT follow so they would try to make it "illegal" etc. - et al... apk

  25. Spitting in the face of PopeRatzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because in the country, you'll never, but never, have to deal with assholes like him!

  26. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It skips a generation. My brother-in-law (in IL) doesn't run his dad's farm - he has his own deal. My nephew, OTOH, will be taking over as the ol' man gets older. -T

  27. Aquaponics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen a massive rise in aquaponics in particular.
    It makes a lot of sense in crowded cities especially.

    It's fairly trivial to set up and maintain. It gives a decent return. It's failure rates are pretty low.
    If you live in colder regions, you might need to heat it a bit in winter. Solar panel on the roof can help.
    I just saw a pretty new solar tech that absorbs only some of the spectrum on the roof, and the rest goes straight through to the plants. Really neat idea and hope it takes off quickly. If will be a huge boost to aquaponics if it can at least partially or fully power itself. Any gain helps.
    I remember one dude in Detroit even automated his with a raspberry pi and it tweets its general health and status periodically. Used a large metal container for the fish-bed. But you can easily make one with 5 bits of wood (hell, 4, or none if embedded in ground) and a plastic sheet, just as if you were making a pond / swimming pool but end prematurely at the waterproofing stage.

  28. Oh that farming. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I thought farming as in gaming, coining, etc. :P

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    1. Re:Oh that farming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pharming and Phishing, 21st century professions.

  29. Increase of tiny percentage by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Farm workers make up about 1.4% of the US work force. At such a low rate, it's not hard for statistical noise to result in an "increase."

  30. Organic farming? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Organic produce has become more in demand in recent years. Organic farmers have met the demand. The down side of organic farming is that it does require more labor. Maybe we're seeing some of this in the statistics.

  31. Re: Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think farming is an easy way to earn a living, guess again. Farmers have little control over costs (seed, fertilizer, crop insurance, cash rents) no control over property taxes, weather, crop yields, crop prices, have to invest hundreds of thousands of $ in equipment. Subsidies are almost non-existent on my crops (corn, soybeans).

  32. Whooooosh by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    I think you missed that it's song lyrics.

    1. Re:Whooooosh by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      But what if the parent is valid? Listening to the parent submitter would epic comedy.