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First AMD Ryzen Mobile Laptop Tested Shows Strong Zen-Vega Performance (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: AMD Ryzen Mobile processors are arriving now in retail laptops from the likes of HP, Lenovo and Acer. With the first CPUs to hit the market, AMD took quad-core Ryzen and coupled it with 8 or 10-core Vega GPUs on a single piece of silicon in an effort to deliver a combination of strong Ryzen CPU performance along with significantly better integrated graphics performance over Intel's current 8th Gen Kaby Lake laptop chips. AMD Ryzen 7 2700U and Ryzen 5 2500U chips have 4MB of shared L3 cache each, but differ with respect to top-end CPU boost clock speeds, number of integrated Radeon Vega Compute Units (CUs), and the GPU's top-end clocks. Ryzen 7 2700U is more powerful with 10 Radeon Vega CUs, while Ryzen 5 2500U sports 8. Ryzen 7 2700U also boosts to 3.8GHz, while Ryzen 5 2500U tops out at 3.6GHz. In the benchmarks, Ryzen Mobile looks strong, competing well with Intel quad-core 8th Gen laptop CPUs, while offering north of 60 percent better performance in graphics and gaming. Battery life is still a question mark, however, as some of the very first models to hit the market from HP have inefficient displays and hard drives instead of SSDs. As more premium configurations hit the market in the next few weeks, hopefully we'll get a better picture of Ryzen Mobile battery life in more optimized laptop builds.
Can someone please translate this shit into English?
The best way to predict future behavior is to look at past behavior. In the past when Intel was unable to compete with AMD they used anti-competitive practices to ensure their continued dominance. Such practices made them hundreds of billions of dollars and when they were exposed it cost them a few billion dollars to compensate AMD as they laughed their way to the bank. I'm certain that Intel is going to great lengths to ensure that power efficient AMD chips are only in power hungry systems with poor battery life to ensure they are less attractive. In the past they literally paid Dell billions of dollars to not sell systems with AMD chips so I'm sure they are going a similar route and paying to ensure no AMD laptops have better battery life than Intel laptops. I'm certain they pay all the big sellers to ensure their inferior product appears superior.
Intel has one game: don't compete, cheat.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I cannot speak for others, but for me, on a laptop, power utilization is extremely important. If AMD's product is not too power hungry compared to current Intel offerings, then they have a chance. Historically this is an area where they have not been competitive. But maybe things have changed and they have upped their game.
We would all benefit from good competition in the CPU and chipset market. And I want to support AMD by buying their products. However, they have to put out good, competitive products for me to buy.
I require lying Intel fanbois to burn in hell knowing they paid twice for the backdoor performance their ass loves.
Why are low end laptops even shipping with hard drives? It ought to be a crime. A 128 GB SSD costs the same as a 1 TB HDD that ships with these. The increase in performance an SSD gives you over a HDD makes it a lot better value to have an SSD than an HDD. A computer with a HDD instead of an SSD is a ball of frustration.
Nevermind that Nvidia cripples games just to maintain their bloated price demands. Enjoy your rape and Stockholm syndrome as the peasants own you anyway.
Remote exploits coming to Intel ME very soon.
The video probably wasn't being hardware decoded, because of a driver / VLC issue with Raven ridge.
If the reviewer had done some more work, like testing power consumption on other tasks like web browsing, or gaming he would have realised this.
The CPU performance of a Ryzen 5 2500U is better than a i7-7600U but worse than a i7-8550U or an i5-8250U
The GPU performance of an Ryzen 5 2500U/Vega 8 is worse than a i5-8250U/Geforce MX150 but it's faster than integrated Intel HD620 in an i7-8550U
The power consumption is clearly worse than a either an Intel IGP or even the GeForce MX150. E.g.
We noted that the Acer Swift 3 with a Core i7-8250U 8th Gen CPU and GeForce MX150 pulled about 9 Watts at idle and 13 - 16 Watts under the light duty load of our HD video loop test. The HP Envy x360 15z with Ryzen 5 Mobile pulled about the same 9 Watts at idle and with similar panel brightness, but under the load of video playback with VLC, pulled 20 Watts with peaks to 30 Watts in spots. We also quickly tested CPU utilization whether running VLC or the Windows 10 video player, and saw Ryzen 5 2500U CPU utilization oscillated at a low 4 - 12 percent. So, it appears at least with respect to VLC and video playback, that Ryzen Mobile with Vega 8 graphics is more power-hungry or perhaps has a bit more driver maturity to undergo to be fully optimized.
Generally PC laptops have two major customer groups
1) People who don't care about GPU performance but do care about battery life, price, power consumption etc
2) People who do care about GPU performance.
People from group 1) are going to get a machine with an Intel CPU and use the integrated GPU.
People from group 2) are going to get a machine with an Intel CPU and a discrete GPU. And not a GeForce MX150 either - more like a Geforce 1050 Ti.
In which case where does the Ryzen 2500U/Vega 8 combo fit in? It doesn't have enough GPU performance for groups 2). It's not low power enough for group 1).
If they'd managed to build something which had more performance than a MX150 they'd be fine. If they could beat Intel IGPs for power they'd be fine. But something with less performance than a MX150 and more power usage too isn't going to do well.
Now maybe some of this could be fixed with a driver update. Still based on current performance we're going to see these machines being sold a deep discount. And if they're not commercially successful, why would AMD spend time optimising drivers?
It's a shame really. AMD Ryzen CPUs on the desktop are actually pretty competitive with Intel. It's a shame the mobile stuff has failed to find the right market niche.
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Wrong. The VEGA 64 will save you a couple hundred bucks and still beat a 1080ti in most new games and it is still cheaper than a 1080 and it smokes it. Same story for VEGA56 vs the 1070 family. VEGA 56 while being cheaper literally wipes the floor with the 1070. U need to go recheck your benchmarks.
AMD typically implements a "similar" set of them although often with a twist that makes it hard to use. However, beyond KVM and Linux there is actually very little software that bother implementing them so especially high-end software, or even simply VMWare won't run on AMD.
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Not from a price/performance nor from a price/efficiency standpoint.
Especially when looking at the entire platform, as Intel likes to hide bad shit in external chips so the CPU looks better. (-> Atom)
Apart from intel being such evil assholes, that if you buy from them, you may aswell buy blood diamonds dug out by child slaves, as morally it won't make much of a difference, anymore.
They make equal or better parts for cheaper. Intel and Nvidiaâ(TM)s only option has been to lower their prices by hundreds to compete. This shows you how much those companies have been trying to screw you. It will be interesting to see if AMD can keep pushing the pace.
Intel says to beat yur meatus so you can have yur puddin.
Legitimate question: what are they? The only extensions only implemented by Intel that come to mind are AVX-512, SGX, and TSX[1]. And out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish that requires the use of Intel-exclusive instructions?
[1] I don't count Intel virtualization because hypervisors like KVM tend to also support AMD's incompatible virtualization instructions.
Intel and Nvidia use what is know as PAID REPUTATION MANAGEMENT companies- which means legions of individuals who troll forums like this one whenever the subject of AMD arises.
The shills don't usually sound like 'little lord fountalroy'. The industry has discovered shill posts that sound like illiterate knuckle-dragging fanboys work better so long as they back up other pseudo-intellectual 'analysis' comments.
AMD's Ryzen has BETTER IPC than Intel's best- a fact Intel hates. The better AMD per clock performance is currently hidden by the fact that current compilers optimise for Intel's CORE architecture- a architecture that has to issue 3 weak instructions for one complex one. AMD can do 4 COMPLEX instructions at a time- so when a compiler issues such code AMD moves ahead in IPC.
Meantime Intel has one last advantage- its chips do around 5Ghz whereas Ryzen is currently around 4Ghz. Power efficiency is very much in AMD's favour now unless the Ryzen chip is taken above 3.5 GHz. Intel and AMD's mobile speeds are well below top desktop frequencies.
Intel has but one half-decent iGPU- crystalwell (and its update). It uses a seperate on-die memory chip (now as L4 cache). However mobile Vega is faster, cheaper to build, more power efficient- and most important of all fully compatible with modern AAA games. While Intel's iGPU can SEEM to give an acceptable average framerate, it's real world gaming performance (glitches and stutter) is abysmal.
So Intel needs to be paired with a discrete AMD or Nvidia GPU die.
Did you know the world's most powerful single chip design is the AMD part in Microsoft's new Xbox1X console. This single chip matches a high-mid end gaming PC (one with a Nvidia 1080 GPU). The CPU cluster in the chip is weak, being a ancient AMD design from long before Ryzen. But when the next console update happens with Ryzen, AMD's single PC class part combining graphics and CPU will be unthinkably powerful.
Intel is so outclassed now in every dimension, it isn't even real. Intel's process advantage has gone- and its never coming back. TSMC, where apple and nvidia have their chips built, is way ahead of Intel. GF, AMD's foundary, is almost at Intel's level and about to move ahead.
As many in this thread point out, AMD's current mobile issue is that laptops built using AMD tech have the worst part quality at this time, making AMD look bad. Intel has an arrangement to use AMD GPUs in their MCM (mutli-chip-modules for highish end mobile) in a desperate attempt to prevent AMD taking over with their single chip designs- but this is just a last gasp manoeuver.
AMD and ARM are about to finish Intel off. Microsoft and Apple are about to move to ARM and AMD x64, and drop Intel altogether. Intel's last place will be competing in the desktop PC- where ill-informed fanboys still think Intel is 'better'.
TSX. I read that AMD has been researching this sort of technique for several years. Hopefully next gen will have it.
What's the project where you are using TSX? (I would assume TSX is used in certain very specialized use cases, so I'm curious to know what you are using it for.)
Just saying.
North doesn't mean up or higher. It mean north.
Both database development and monitoring tools. Also, I think that C++20 will support/implement transactional memory although I didn't look at any details yet.
I think Ryzen looks amazing. I'm just sad about that one missing feature.
I've got VMware running on multiple AMD systems. Otherwise, name any high end software that doesn't run
Hmmm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_Synchronization_Extensions
Doesn't AMD offer their own version by a different name?
ASF
It says that AMD proposed it in 2009 and no processors have been created that support ASF, so it's much more likely that the next-gen Zen cores will support TSX. Until then, those of us who need transactional memory will either have to use Intel or do some kind of hack using atomics. While I don't need TSX, which is why I'd like a Ryzen, it kind of sucks that Intel supported TSX since Haswell but AMD hasn't supported it for the last ~5 years.
Let's hope AMD starts actually making a profit soon; it would be a shame if for transactional memory we all are forced to use overpriced Intel chips. Intel should not have a monopoly to abuse further.
Gamers Nexus and linusctech tips on YouTube showed otherwise. The fastest Vega64 can't even beat the 1070 on some titles?! Destiny 2 was one example
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I for one hope that when the EU courts take another look at the case, they realize that they only fined Intel 4% and tack on another 6%. On and I hope they dont forget about interest.
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