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Google Can Tell if Someone Is Looking at Your Phone Over Your Shoulder (qz.com)

Dave Gershgorn, writing for Quartz: At the Neural Information Processing Systems conference in Long Beach, California, next week, Google researchers Hee Jung Ryu and Florian Schroff will present a project they're calling an electronic screen protector, where a Google Pixel phone uses its front-facing camera and eye-detecting artificial intelligence to detect whether more than one person is looking at the screen. An unlisted, but public video by Ryu shows the software interrupting a Google messaging app to display a camera view, with the peeking perpetrator identified and given a Snapchat-esque vomit rainbow. Ryu and Schroff claim the system works with different lighting conditions and poses, and can recognize a person's gaze in 2 milliseconds. Ostensibly, this AI software is able to work so quickly because it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

75 comments

  1. Wear sunglasses by dicobalt · · Score: 1

    Wow that was hard.

    1. Re:Wear sunglasses by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sunglasses even when I'm using my own phone. It's only a matter of time before we see apps demanding access to the camera so that they can detect "eyes-on-ads". That'll be a sad day.

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    2. Re:Wear sunglasses by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      People wearing sunglasses still look like intruders, so the alarm will still go off.

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    3. Re:Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're sorry. We've detected that you're not viewing our ads right now. This app will now disable until we can verify revenue from you as a customer. Thank you for understanding.

    4. Re:Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are really on the ball today predicting the real use of this technology. I'm impressed!

    5. Re: Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of an episode of 'Black Mirror' on Netflix.

    6. Re: Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is releasing Google Bike in December in time for the holiday.

    7. Re:Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your pain my gain.

    8. Re:Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And mandatory bluetooth shock collar when your eyes are NOT on the ads...

    9. Re: Wear sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The link did not make it through: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qzrdOQiRzgk

  2. Sunglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like you can easily circumvent this detection by wearing sunglasses. TFA makes no mention either way.

  3. Yeesh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you stare into the phone, the phone stares back

  4. yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 2

    1) to charge extra when more than one person watches netflix?
    2) to do targeted advertising based on who is looking?
    3) to pause commercials if I look away until I face the screen again?
    4) to pause ads if the other person looks away, to make sure they see the ads too?

    5) to pause the video if I look away.

    6) to black out your screen any time someone else happens to look at it. great if you to don't want your bf/gf/wife/husband to see the text messages your sending... not so great if you are trying to *show* him/her the text messages your sending. And truly annoying the moment your kids and friends figure out they can black your phone out by glancing at the screen, and start doing it just to mess with you.

    Why is the camera even on? Camera should only be on, when I turn it on. Yet another feature from google I don't want.

    Meanwhile, it won't tell if I'm being recorded by 40 other cameras. So its a false sense of security at best.

    1. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Damn...didn't even think about the charge extra thing...

    2. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paranoid much? Samsung phones already have a feature called smart stay, which keeps the screen on if you're looking at it. I haven't encountered or heard of any privacy related issues because of this. While it's possible that it could be abused, I see no evidence of this actually taking place. There are far bigger concerns right now, such as the third-party tracking built into lots of apps. Put your paranoia aside and focus on privacy-invading features that provide no benefit at all to the user, like the tracking. The feature described in this article can be used for the convenience of users and also to improve privacy if it's used correctly. It's also relatively easy to defeat a camera by covering it up.

    3. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by HelpTheNewOverlord · · Score: 1
      7) To not show your password as you type it?

      It may be misused, but it can be used for good things too. If it is local and I can control its activation, I don't see a problem.

    4. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..can be used for the convenience of users and also to improve privacy if it's used correctly.

      So, do you really believe Google will use this correctly? I don't, and neither do a lot of other people.

    5. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once it goes mainstream then blocking your camera won't be an option for many add dependent services and Netflix etc.. You missed the point. Google is one of the largest trackers in the world. Do you think they did this just to be nice? Every new feature from a company is a new revenue opportunity and when Google monetizes its products by selling the user you can be sure this feature will be abused.

    6. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      "Paranoid much? Samsung phones already have a feature called smart stay, which keeps the screen on if you're looking at it. I"

      I have an S7 edge, and find that feature is more annoying than useful, because it doesn't work that well. Your right though, I haven't heard of any privacy issues related to that. Doesn't mean there aren't any. Do we know if that's included back in the telemetry sent to samsung... how often you look at the phone, and for how long; or if it fingerprints the faces and reports back how many different people... etc. I hope its not doing any of that, but I don't know one way or the other.

      With the amount of BS these companies try to pull right now, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

      " The feature described in this article can be used for the convenience of users and also to improve privacy if it's used correctly."

      Yes, the article covered that. I'm pointing out what the article didn't consider.

      "It's also relatively easy to defeat a camera by covering it up."

      Why should I ever have to "defeat" my phone. It's *my* phone.

    7. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name 2 apps or websites that show your password by default and not a bunch of *****.

      This isn't for protecting passwords.

    8. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1
      You should really learn to use blockquote tags.

      They're awesome!

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    9. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of us who cared over more than a decade ago, we already came up with a solution in spite of nasty things like evil processors inside your processor... it's called sellotape.

    10. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      You should really learn to use blockquote tags.

      They're awesome!

      I use them all the time. Sometimes I don't close them properly; and I'm far to lazy to preview posts. ;)

    11. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by swillden · · Score: 1

      7) To not show your password as you type it?

      It may be misused, but it can be used for good things too. If it is local and I can control its activation, I don't see a problem.

      More importantly, to tell you not to type your password when someone is watching. Obscuring the letters of the password is standard, but doesn't prevent someone from seeing what letters you press on the onscreen keyboard.

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    12. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't encountered or heard of any privacy related issues

      Well, that must mean there aren't any. /s

    13. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To capture photo and video of porn watchers to blackmail them

    14. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      technology is on the fast track to hell central and HAS been for many years sadly!

  5. EyesOnU by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    So, what they're really saying is what we already suspected - google devices are always spying on you, now it's visual and they are identifying what's happening in the background.

    1. Re:EyesOnU by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      Rest easy

      it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

      Although I am sure this means: "it's being run on the phone before being sent to the company for further processing".

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    2. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your paranoia is misplaced, at least on this. There are far more concerning allegations regarding what apps like Facebook do. Samsung phones have had a feature called smart stay for a long time, which detects whether a user is looking at the screen and, if so, prevents the screen from turning off. I haven't heard anything about this feature bring abused, plus the user has the ability to turn it off.

    3. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any citation for that, or are you just making stuff up?

      For a long time, I've read Slashdot comments saying that AI is okay provided the processing is done locally rather than in the cloud. This story indicates that the processing is done locally, yet you're still fussing about it.

      Do you have a citation? Or are you just spreading FUD?

    4. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear other Anonymous Coward,
      You've already said this exact same thing on a different comment.

    5. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to the same FUD being posted in thread after thread? Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion, like actually talking about the issue?

    6. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No citation necessary. Its like when my GF asks me if I want to go out to eat, I can bet on picking up the bill. I don't need a citation to assume this.

    7. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep saying "FUD". Projection much? What makes you so interested in defending poor little defenceless Google? I've seen at least three comments by you that were "anonymous " all accusing others of spreading FUD and being paranoid yet completely dismissing their arguments. The question is DO YOU have anything to add to this discussion?

    8. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought you were going in another direction with that sentence. LOL.

      "Girlfriend...ask...eat out..."

      Hehe

    9. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way I end up paying lol!

    10. Re: EyesOnU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't actually contributed anything of substance to the discussion, at least not that I know of.

      Claims that this will invade privacy are pure speculation. Claims that this will be used to force ad viewing are also pure speculation. The argument is basically that precedent suggests features like this will invade privacy, therefore this one will as well. I am simply appealing to precedent as well, saying that a very similar feature already exists and it hasn't been an issue.

      Facial recognition isn't an issue here. The app isn't determining who is looking at the screen, just that there's more than one pair of eyes. It's not tracking who is actually looking at the phone, which could be a privacy issue.

      There are also situations where detecting eyes is very unreliable, such as when the user is in a dark area. There are far better ways to get users to view ads, such as requiring user interaction with the ads to dismiss them. If users had to turn on the lights to view content, it would be enough of a hassle that it would probably harm the advertiser.

      Finally, I see no indication that data are being uploaded anywhere as part of this feature. That would be a privacy issue, but the mere presence of a forward facing camera that can't be readily disabled with a hardware switch is potentially a privacy and security issue.

      This feature certainly can improve the privacy of users. I just don't see a lot of basis for this being used to reduce privacy.

      If you disagree, support your position with something that actually addresses my arguments. You haven't done so yet.

  6. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Pixel phone is watching you at all times.

    Creepy.

    1. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not creepy if it's for your safety!

    2. And it can detect when a third person is watching at your phone, besides you and Google. Isn't it neat?

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  7. Rather than a "vomit rainbow"... by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Maybe blurring the screen? The example in the TFA isn't great and it implies when there is an eavesdropper, a view of the user and the highlighted image of the person looking over their shoulder comes into view.

    I'm thinking that if the display is truly horrific and/or ruins the user experience, the phone's owner will probably disable the feature.

  8. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ostensibly, this AI software is able to work so quickly because it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

    How does this help Google in its relentless quest to slurp ever more data about everyone on the planet? If this ever sees the light of day as more than a tech demo, I think we can guarantee that, well, let's just say it'll be running a bit slower.

  9. More creepy than the peeping by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    Like we need more facial recognition in the world... Just wait until people realize that devices like this involuntarily collect biometrics on everyone in things like group selfies and family photos. No fancy Facebook code required this time, just a new smart phone. It's not coincidence that Apple made a new video and image format. They'll have facial recognition exif data in key frames inside videos based on what it knows from your photos. Then, your YouTube and Facebook uploads get to collect that data.

  10. DRM Wet Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, I can't wait until this is used to enforce viewer counts for DRM. No more sharing Netflix and HBO!

  11. and the battery-eating continues by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Another problem that 1% had, and that no one wanted solved, especially by a solution with a huge cost: no one will be looking over my shoulder when my battery is dead.

  12. Found the PlayStation Fanboy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ostensibly, this AI software is able to work so quickly because it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

    This is a lie only PlayStation fanboys repeat because PlayStation is too shitty to have cloud processing in their games! Xbox One runs games in the cloud to provide faster gaming!

  13. Solves the movie theatre problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just plaster faces all over the ceiling or glare over someone's shoulder.

    Come to think of it, that's pretty darn creepy.

  14. Nice. However... by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I can think of several low-tech approaches that will accomplish the same thing, just as fast, as probably more reliably. This is mostly one of that we-are-doing-it-because-we-can kind of things.

  15. How did we get here by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    How did we get here, I wonder?

    I can remember when GMail first came out and they were scanning the messages for spam. Everyone thought it was creepy, and an invasion of privacy, and maybe we shouldn't be using GMail for our personal messages...

    ...but Google said it only correlates words, it doesn't interpret the *meaning* of the text, and your privacy is safe. E-mail is unencrypted when it goes out over the net, by the way, you have no expectation of privacy.

    Fast forward and we have Twitter and Facebook reading our feeds and automatically banning people. With no warnings, no explanation or identification of what caused the ban, just "you were saying inappropriate things, you're gone".

    And of course their system can't be everywhere all the time, so they have "report this post" links where people can helpfully alert the companies about posts that should be examined.

    ...but now being reported itself is enough to get banned. Instead of examining the content, the system just goes ahead and *assumes* that if several people were concerned, the content is inappropriate.

    (This, of course, gets abused in so many ways for political spite.)

    Google is now scanning peoples' documents stored online, and simply banning access to the docs if the topics are deemed "unnecessary " (as in: "needlessly graphic or violent content". You didn't *need* to have that, so we're banning your short story.)

    They don't give warnings or even explanation of what was detected, simply remove the person's 1st amendment right: you can't share the document with others. Or, apparently, copy it back to your local system.

    Now they look over your shoulder, helpfully telling you that someone is snooping on your video chat.

    Great. Wonderful. Completely useful feature, helps us keep our privacy. It's creepy, but for a good cause.

    How did we get here again?

    1. Re:How did we get here by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We got here by you dolts continuing to use those products.

      I quit Facebook. I don't use Twitter. I don't use Google Docs. I barely use my Gmail account, and keep really personal stuff out of email and messaging systems in general. I use my phone mostly as a phone and a calculator and install very little on it, I frankly overbought my phone as it was the cheapest way to get non-junk with vanilla Android at the time. I don't rely on Cloud stuff more than I am forced to, rather I keep my stuff local and don't use non-standalone products for anything I care about. I keep hard copy backups of really important stuff like tax records.

      It is not hard, but people need to actually vote with their feet. Instead they pine about the fjords every time a new line is crosses and carry on shoveling their personal life details to these unholy behemoths. So frankly we as a society are where we deserve to be.

    2. Re: How did we get here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod up.

      I think the problem is...what nerds don't want, is what plebs do want. So the Venn diagram looks like this: (nerds)()(plebs). We codemn a lot of the privacy invading shit they throw at us, plebs accept it with open arms. Guess who there are more of? Yup, plebs.

    3. Re:How did we get here by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      You sacrifice a lot, and gain very little.

    4. Re:How did we get here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vanity and less time is the primary thing you gain when using those systems.

    5. Re:How did we get here by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      We got here by you dolts continuing to use those products.

      I quit Facebook. I don't use Twitter. I don't use Google Docs.

      You quit Facebook and you're calling others dolts? You should have never signed up!

      Keep in mind that the search engines track all your searches. Your internet provider tracks, well, all your internet traffic. So unless you are using a VPN, you're not really showing anyone anything.

      The key is just to keep in mind that your online information is online, for all to see. So use it appropriately... but still use it!

  16. How's this for an idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's this for a screen protection idea:

    When you're around other people you could be interacting with, you PUT THE GODDAMN PHONE AWAY and TALK to other human beings...

    There, I said it.

  17. All jokes aside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a lot of us joke about this kind of tech being used/misused, whatever, but this is just creepy. We all seem to have a "well, WTF am I going to do about it?" attitude and just shrug it off. Seriously, how long before we start seeing crap ads like in Minority Report, or even worse. We willingly walk around with electronic leashes and think the trade off is worth it. I just paid off my Verizon iPhone 7 Plus. I'm seriously considering a flip phone. Yes, you can still be tracked, but there is 99% less telemetry with a flip phone. The one thing that keeps me from doing it is texting. I loathe T9 and any variant thereof. I choose Apple because I believe they are the lesser of the two evils. I won't touch a Google device or use any of their service.

    Verizon's shenanigans of late and their connection to Ajit Pai, which I was unaware of until recently, has led me to consider going over to T-Mobile. Yes, I realize I would only be trading one master for another, but isn't that what this has become? You (metaphorically) pick a vassal lord, be that Google or Apple, and you live within their walled-in kingdom. Sure, you may have something in the other kingdom, but the binary choice of control is disheartening.

  18. Incorporate with Signal by crow · · Score: 2

    This is the sort of thing you would want to have included with encrypted messaging apps like Signal. Of course, it should be a configurable option, and when it detects other eyes on the screen, it should display an option to override the privacy (perhaps you want to show a message to a friend). But for reading possibly sensitive messages in a public place, this is a great idea.

    Though I agree that there are a lot of cases where you don't want this, and it could be used to your disadvantage. That's why I want to see a phone where access to any given hardware can be controlled, with the option to provide simulated hardware in cases where you want the app to think it's using the real camera, GPS, motion sensor, or whatever. And that should include the network (which happens to be down all the time for certain apps, or only up when I'm viewing them).

  19. And in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That guy looking over your shoulder just got targeted ads -

    ACME shoulder pads... not just a fashion statement but a thing of comfort, get a pair for someone you're close with for this holiday season.

  20. well, it's a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good thing for them people are only able to see other people's phone screens when standing directly behind them, and not when standing to the side, out of view of the camera (and don't worry google, even if people could still see at other angles, this never happens on elevators or trains -- people never stand next to and slightly behind each other; you see clear evidence of this by the fact that when people get out of an elevator, for example, it's one by one, because they were definitely standing in a single line in there). this is also perfect because most people tend to hold their phones out, and at chest height or above, because we're all extremely fat or have huge boobs and only know how to hold our phone as if we're taking a selfie, because let's be honest ... that's all we actually do with our phones; also, being uncomfortable when typing encourages you to hurry the fuck up and type faster so you can return to a more natural and relaxed position sooner -- the speed gained is a huge boost in productivity. and on crowded trains, it's the suggested way everyone use their phone as it helps ensure optimal spacing (need more space? just shove your phone into someone else's face and they'll kindly make room). all that coupled with the fact that people lack the basic situational awareness to recognize that there's a person behind them and that person is probably looking at their phone, intentionally or not, makes this a wonderful idea and i have no idea how we'd live without it. i personally would love a feature on my phone that reminds me to breathe as well.

    seriously what the fuck is the point of this? you'd have to be deaf and dumber than trump (possibly even dumber than ivanka ... if that's possible) for this to provide any actual value (and at that level of stupid, i question whether the user would understand the warning, or just go "ohhh, pretty colorssss"). as others have mentioned, this is just going to be an annoyance likely. it will be disabled by pretty much everyone.

    does anyone else sometimes feel like google just hires people and has them work on crap like this to prevent them from working at a potential competitor, regardless of what they actually do at google?

  21. Ya, but ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... can it also detect when Google is looking over your shoulder?

    [ Oh wait, that's basically always. ]

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  22. Will they sell the phone in Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because in Russia phone looks over your shoulder.

  23. Will it tell me if the NSA is spying? by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    What kind of emoji do they get?

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  24. Always-on Camera by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 1

    Because billions of devices with always-on cameras is good. In case someone doesn't respect your privacy and peeks over your shoulder.

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  25. Artificial Intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Artificial Intelligence isn't the correct term for the thing they mean.

  26. Duct tape or electrical tape over your camera(s) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem solved.

  27. What about public security cameras? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would the phone identify cameras as well? What if someone is looking at my screen with a zoom lens?

  28. Re: Wear sunglasses... See Black Mirror episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a great "Black Mirror" episode that does exactly that.

    Take a look ;-)

  29. today vs tomorrow by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Maybe that's still working today. But if the progresses of Facebook's face recognition is used as a benchmark, very soon, the only way to escape google's detection would be to wear dazzle make-up.

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  30. Except... by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 0

    Google

  31. Ironically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is always the Google that is looking over your shoulder.

  32. what if the front camera breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or is blocked..by...blutack

  33. Someone is looking over your shoulder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that someone is:
    A: Google
    B: Your Carrier
    C: Your Asshole Government
    D: Pretty much EVERYBODY!

    If you chose D, you are correct.

  34. And lowfi tech wins again? by Joviex · · Score: 1

    Use a mirror. #REKT

  35. And so can the NSA by CaffeinatedTech · · Score: 0

    Phone notices extra eyeballs, sends a pic back home to identify the person, checks the NSA's Person Of Interest list for a match, triggers an alert.

    Do your part for national security, breach everyone's privacy everywhere you go.

    Its not that far fetched right? I mean if there is a high-profile event, the NSA could say "right, better switch on the google eyeball scanner in that area. We'll let GladOS profile these pricks before they get a chance to make a move." Then they leave a hard drive full of that data on the counter in a cafe.

    Wow, can you imagine being in witness protection these days with all of the different ways to be identified.