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Microsoft: We're Razing Our Redmond Campus To Build a Mini City (zdnet.com)

Armand Winter shares a report from ZDNet: Microsoft president Brad Smith said the company will spend $150 million in transport infrastructure, public spaces, sports fields and green space. It expects the project will create 2,500 construction and development jobs. Microsoft's renovation budget is modest compared with the $5 billion Apple spent on its new spaceship headquarters in Cupertino, while Microsoft's Washington neighbor and cloud rival, Amazon, will spend $5 billion on a second North American headquarters, which will offer space for 50,000 people. "We are not only creating a world-class work environment to help retain and attract the best and brightest global talent, but also building a campus that our neighbors can enjoy, and that we can build in a fiscally smart way with low environmental impact," said Smith in a blog post.

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  1. Kind of makes you wonder .... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

    ... why some of these big companies just don't have their own official town/suburb already -- complete with homes, schools, police, fireman, etc. just to minimize the commute time.

    1. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... why some of these big companies just don't have their own official town/suburb already -- complete with homes, schools, police, fireman...

      ... borders, army, government, laws. Let's go full corporatocracy.

    2. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo

    3. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Foxconn City

    4. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Welcome to West Virginia in the 1950s, where the company owned everything in the mining town.

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    5. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      And they can pay the teachers, police, and firemen in company script, exchangeable at the company store.

      In other news, how are those C-class non-voting stock options treating you?

    6. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Because after this song and some violent strikes, we stopped doing that shit. Hell, the United Nations eventually declared such systems to be slavery.

      Some people say a man is made outta mud
      A poor man's made outta muscle and blood
      Muscle and blood and skin and bones
      A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong

      You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
      Another day older and deeper in debt
      Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
      I owe my soul to the company store

      I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
      I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
      I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
      And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"

      You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
      Another day older and deeper in debt
      Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
      I owe my soul to the company store

      I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
      Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
      I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
      Caint no-a high-toned woman make me walk the line

      You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
      Another day older and deeper in debt
      Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
      I owe my soul to the company store

      If you see me comin', better step aside
      A lotta men didn't, a lotta men died
      One fist of iron, the other of steel
      If the right one dont a-get you, then the left one will

      You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
      Another day older and deeper in debt
      Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
      I owe my soul to the company store

    7. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      Never been to Redmond eh?

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    8. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The point is to *attract* qualified developers, not make them run away screaming.

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    9. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      More or less what I was thinking.

      You're born, live, work, and die within The Company. It is your entire life, cradle to grave. The Company is your family. The Company is your social group. It's where you work, sleep, eat, play, go to school, have your children. The Company provides everything you'll ever need, and The Company keeps you and your family safe. Why would you ever want to leave?

      *SHUDDER*
      Scary.

    10. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1

      I owe my soul to the Microsoft store...

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    11. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by johnsie · · Score: 1

      So pretty much like working on any tunnel project or rural mine. It's not that bad actually.

    12. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      As long as you can leave when you want to. A lot of the company towns where setup so that yes it wasn't bad, you could have a nice life there, as long as you worked there. They made it so you couldn't quite make enough to live there AND save up to get out of there.

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    13. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      Have you ever read the dystopian novel, 1984? Or, A Brave New World? Or, Animal Farm? Or, tons of other writings about corporate control?

    14. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those novels are dystopian if you're in the 1%

    15. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we used to have this and it was called slavery? Slaves had their housing, education etc all covered by their masters. It was found to be inefficient and the costs to the master was MORE than paying the slaves a wage was. You didn't think slavery ended because it was the right thing to do did you? It ended because it had become more expensive to own slaves than it was to simply pay workers. The rise in expense wasn't the cost of the slave....that could easily be covered by the slaves work, it was the housing, education, healthcare etc of them and their families that had driven the cost too high.

    16. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

      Like Disney World

    17. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      so...mr gates...bellmont...west of phoenix, az...when's it gonna happen...fyi...welcome to the desert.

    18. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been to Redmond campus? It's huge, and I'd wager than 70% of all housing within 1 mile of Microsoft is Microsoft staff...

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    19. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Orwell's "1984" nor "Animal Farm", nor Huxley's "Brave New World" are about "corporate control" but are about (dystopic) Socialistic/Communistic control.

    20. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the current alternative (basically a distributed company town) any better? Just look at most economically active (San Diego, Las Vegas, etc) areas. Housing, taxes, energy, groceries and many other necessities are far higher than the US average. Often driven by a variety of third parties all creating their own monopolies via various underhanded tactics (buyouts, influence pedaling, bureaucratic red tape, etc).

    21. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The numbers don't match the rhetoric. TFA says the budget is $150M. That is barely enough to build one small office building.

    22. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      We used to listen to this song on WXRT in the late '70's. Ill go back further than Johnny Cash with this same song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?.... You can compare them..

    23. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was my immediate reaction to that comment.

    24. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the country of Technoptia, population 35,000 with 0% unemployment. Everyone is employed on a contract or permanent basis. The minute you leave the company, you must leave the country.

    25. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company town with company store, etc. Everything old is new again.

    26. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Plenty have their own congressperson or senator.

    27. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine an offshore oil rig would be the same.

    28. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you read them, because they were warnings about totalitarian government and communism.

    29. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Spanish war and other events in 1936-7 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects." --
      "Why I Write,", George Orwell, Gangrel (Summer 1946)

    30. Re: Kind of makes you wonder .... by Gussington · · Score: 1

      So pretty much like working on any tunnel project or rural mine. It's not that bad actually.

      Which explains why so many people are lining up to move into mining towns...

    31. Re:Kind of makes you wonder .... by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Is that quote from a movie or book? Sounds interesting.

  2. I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad... by Anonymous+Cashews · · Score: 0

    The last quote I saw on the Apple campus was $2B. Did they spend another $3B to replace the seats in the Steve Jobs theater?

    1. Re:I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference being that Apple paid for their new digs on their own, the stadiums are paid for by taxpayers. Professional sports is a scam.

    2. Re:I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go away creimer
      Creimer why don't you tell us how it's ok for 50 year old men to marry 16 year old mexican girls "with village permission".

    3. Re:I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD DOWN CREIMER KARMA WHORING!!!

      We just went through the whole process of getting rid of creimer, don't let him back in!

    4. Re:I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stadiums bring in money from outside of the region, they are effectively exports. That is, they are by definition adding to the coffers of any tax authority governing them.

  3. Don't worry by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, the corporate run city-state arcologies aren't a problem until they employ their own military. That's the point we hit full cyberpunk corprocracy dystopia.

    1. Re:Don't worry by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      ..until they employ their own military.

      Sure. It starts out as their 'security team'. Since they're protecting Intellectual Property of The Company, and they're employed on private property, naturally they're allowed to carry weapons -- and since the Intellectual Property of The Company is so valuable, no expense is spared in equiping the security team of The Company with the very best.. all the way up through crew-served weapons and air support.

    2. Re:Don't worry by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Oh, that means Knight Sabers!

      I'm calling first dibs on Nene Romanova! (first series, not the 2040 version)

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    3. Re:Don't worry by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

      No need for an army, lobbying in Washington is enough

  4. Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Shepanator · · Score: 1

    Low environmental impact!? How can they say that without the level of irony in their heads generating a cosmic singularity that swallows the entire earth? Here's a tip to any Microsoft executives or developers reading; most cities in the world are already developed. If you are wondering about how to implement "smart cities", you should be wondering about how to implement it upon already built and lived in cities, not new developments.

    1. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      A wise person once told me that the most environmentally friendly building is one that's already built, at least in most instances.

      Tearing down a building to put up another is horrible for the environment. All things considered it is USUALLY better for the environment to revamp and remodel an existing building over removing it and starting new.

      Of course, sometimes the real issue is that the old building just looks dated or takes up too much of the buildable space and replacing it is really just an esthetics and convenience question, often justified by "we will build an environmentally friendly replacement!" statement.

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    2. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      But presumably the Microsoft Campus (I've never seen it) is a sort of city already, so this is a brownfield site, not a greenfield site, which is something. Developers usually hate brownfield sites because they must remove the shit that is already there.

      As for low environmental impact, they must be intending to teleport the building materials in, the 2500 building workers will never be seen, and after it is built the traffic to and from it will be in Boring tunnels or something. Or perhaps it willl be self contained with no connection to the outside world so the whole thing can be sunk into the ground and turfed over. Microsoft themselves with it, I hope.

      People are the biggest negative environmental impact. They cannot boast about low impact and also boast about how many people they will employ and will live there.

    3. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Generally when it is an aesthetic issue you have a "repositioning" remodel done-- it might strip the building to the structure or just re-clad things to make it pretty... and hopefully more functional. This type of renovation can even include adding a floor to the building, if you are stripping down to structure anyway.

      Tear-down makes sense though when the building siting just doesn't work; it sounds like MS wants more large open-space areas. I think there is also the unsaid reality that they have downsized and have too much building for their current size.

    4. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      It's a while since I've been there but it looked pretty green with lots of open spaces.

    5. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the time the most environmental choice is "upgrade if needed, but use what you have". Given a choice between rebuilding or just retrofitting with insulation, efficient lights (if the old ones are inefficient), "smart" a/c (see previous parenthetical), solar panels etc etc the latter is almost always the more environmentally friendly (and cheaper) option. But of course the former let's you shout "we're green" from the shiny new rooftops, so you can guess why some companies do it anyhow.

    6. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by greenwow · · Score: 0

      To be fair, Microsoft is doing a lot of remodeling rather than tearing down and replacing. I have four friends that used to work at Microsoft Red West in Redmond that are now working in temp space in Issaquah while their space is being remodeled.

    7. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buildings in the modern age are generally not designed to last the ages. A 40 year depreciation schedule is common for buildings in America. If Microsoft's buildings are reaching their 40 year schedule, it's quite sensible to knock them down and start a new building with extra constraints in mind such as using carbon neutral building materials and energy efficient climate conditioning architecture.

    8. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by hai_Priesty · · Score: 1

      A wise person once told me that the most environmentally friendly building is one that's already built, at least in most instances.

      Seconded. Many a times even very well insulated, energy efficient building replacing the energy guzzlers will not bring the benefits on paper if the said owner are one with a character that chases fads (and it sounds like so here), or for "yet another lower impact building design" in, perhaps, every 17 years.

      And they haven't even think about all the human disruptions and carcinogens that will happen in their Campus. The place can't be as good as it reads on paper if tonnes of building are pulled down every 15 years and major renovation seems to happen to a building every 3-5 years, and employees seems to need to spend 10% of their working / learning life in "temporary desks / makeshift rooms".

      Wouldn't it be more environmentally and employee-friendly if the place is more like a good old library where building is available >98% of the time (one reno every 12-15 years, minor 1 week tweaks every 3-5)?

    9. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old Victorian buildings for hospitals are somewhat of an exception. They had high ceilings and high windows to provide fresh air and sunlight for patients recovering from TB and other problems. But they were expensive to heat with the single pane windows. There aren't any facilities for installing or maintaining computer networks. Another problem is the use of Asbestos for insulation. Usually they get sold off to property developers as "high ceilings are a desirable feature for making "mezzanine levels"

    10. Re:Low environmental impact!?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 40 year depreciation schedule is common for buildings in America.

      No, it is not. Where do you people come up with this garbage?

  5. Mega-campuses are a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They make the workforce inwardly focused, thinking that the marching orders given by the CEO and SVP said during the last few quarterly meeting, and the internal organization politics that people have to put up with, is 90 percent of what matters.

    But as Bill Joy observed, most of the smart people in the world don't work for your company.

    During the Steve Ballmer era, everyone at Microsoft concentrated on building stuff into Windows, with interop to the rest of the industry via "open standards" (mostly contributed by Microsoft) like XML and SOAP. But this same inward focus probably happens at most large corporations, especially those with one or more large, profitable platform businesses.

  6. Main question is type of buildings by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Look, this whole place is just filled with construction cranes, although Dubai has us beat on that score.

    But are these passivhaus green buildings? Do they have solar roofs (yes, I know, you incorrectly think Seattle and Redmond are bad places for solar, but we get 80 to 100 percent solar output all year round, even when it's cloudy as the dickens and mist rains are falling)? Will they have lofted wind turbines like you see in Big Hero 6? On the Eastside, they aren't as green as Seattle City Light is, so that's a major concern.

    Also, how many bike rental spots? And electric skateboards?

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    1. Re:Main question is type of buildings by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even from an environmental perspective, what's the point of roof top solar in Washington? According to my power bill, 87% of my electricity comes from hydro and 11% comes from nuclear. There is only one coal power station in the state (in Centralia) and it's scheduled to close by 2025. Seems like buying power from the grid is greener than manufacturing new Chinese solar panels.

    2. Re:Main question is type of buildings by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      Who said they were Chinese?

      Look, most wind and solar are built in the US. I think you incorrectly believe that all wind turbines and solar panels are built in China. A lot of the patents and the facilities for making them are here. In various states, but especially in the county where Microsoft has their HQ.

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    3. Re:Main question is type of buildings by steveha · · Score: 2

      According to my power bill, 87% of my electricity comes from hydro and 11% comes from nuclear.

      Where do you live, Newhalem? (mostly kidding) But seriously, as far as I know, Microsoft gets power from Puget Sound Energy, and PSE says they get 31% from hydro:

      https://www.pse.com/aboutpse/E...

      Sadly 37% is coal. But 22% natural gas and 9% wind.

      I did some Google searches and I found that you are correct: Washington just has a single coal plant, and it will shut down its coal burning by 2025. I believe it will burn natural gas after that; it already has a combined cycle gas turbine power unit, operating alongside the two coal power units. Since the two coal power units produce 1340 megaWatts and the combined cycle unit produces only 248 megaWatts, presumably they will be building more non-coal power units.

      http://www.power-technology.com/projects/centralia/

      But it's still possible to use coal power from out of state, as discussed here: https://www.opb.org/news/article/the-northwest-struggles-with-coal-generated-power-from-out-of-state/

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    4. Re:Main question is type of buildings by steveha · · Score: 1

      I've spent a lot of time on the Microsoft campus, and some time in various nearby buildings that are not connected to the campus but are also owned by Microsoft. Microsoft has a lot of people who need office space.

      The original building designs were optimized for largest possible number of window offices. They are shaped like a plus sign or X when viewed from above and are two stories. (Example: building 4) Most of them have no parking underneath them. When those were built, Microsoft just used flat parking lots.

      As the campus grew they started building "double-X" buildings (example: Building 9), which were the size of two of the older buildings glued together. Still flat parking lots.

      As the campus continued to grow, they built some larger three-story buildings, this time with no sort of X shape at all, just conventional buildings. Buildings 16, 17, and 18 were built together in a little cluster and have three floors of underground parking.

      Additional buildings have been filled in here and there over the campus. For example, Building 37 is shoehorned in right next to Building 6, the last of the single-X buildings.
        None of the new buildings are X shaped, that seems like it's never coming back. Anyway Building 37 has a multi-level parking garage right next to it.

      So the trend already has been toward more efficient buildings, with more floors, and with big parking garages. But they've run out of room to slide new buildings in next to old buildings, and they have already bought or rented an amazing number of nearby buildings. If they want more office space, the only way is to start replacing old buildings with more efficient new ones.

      The article says the plan will take 7 years, which makes sense. No way will they raze the campus and build a new one in one shot... they already have issues with crowding, so it would make no sense to destroy all the buildings at once. It will happen a few buildings at a time in an orderly fashion.

      I am pretty sure that modern designs will be significantly more energy-efficient than the old X buildings, which I'm certain were not designed for efficiency; maximizing for window offices also maximizes for radiating heat away through windows during the winter. And those windows are not modern insulating windows either. I figure Microsoft will use modern HVAC that will be more efficient than whatever the old buildings have, and by making larger buildings that pack more people in the number of available offices will go up (which IMHO is the real driving force behind this effort).

      It looks like they have planned to make it a pleasant place even though density of people will be increased. It's already a pretty pleasant place.

      I've seen a bunch of Indian folks playing cricket on one of the fields. That part of the article makes perfect sense to me... the demand is already there, why not give those folks a first-class cricket pitch.

      The biggest change shown in the video is that the entire interior of the campus will be car-free. They will have a ring road around the new campus, and I guess giant parking garages on the ring, and then people will walk between the new campus buildings. I'm sure they will have golf carts and Segways and such for services and security. But anyway right now cars come and go all the time, including a whole fleet of official Microsoft "shuttles" (which are mostly Toyota Priuses as far as I know). So going car-free will be a really big change.

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    5. Re:Main question is type of buildings by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Saving money is the point. Solar PV will pay for itself in 5-10 years, depending on location. They only add a fraction of a percent to the cost of the building, but will generate a guaranteed return for at least 20 years, probably longer.

      These days you have to justify NOT fitting them.

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  7. They paved paradise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And put up a parking lot.
    With a pink hotel, a boutique
    And a swinging hot spot.
    They took all the trees
    And put 'em in a tree museum
    And they charged the people
    A dollar and a half to seem 'em

    1. Re:They paved paradise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wait... That's Apple glitterness. MS just bulldozes everything in the way and says it's what you want.

  8. Joking aside by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    You can just look at their current campus. They already have a baseball diamond and two soccer fields.

    They essentially own everything between 148th ave, 51st, and Bel-Red Rd. Interestingly, Pactera Technologies, Honeywell, and Nintendo are all allowed in their turf. Ha, and "Posh Consulting" is right next door.

    1. Re:Joking aside by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Ha, and "Posh Consulting" is right next door.

      So there's a Mac consulting place right next to the Microsoft campus?

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  9. But it's only one corporation by nickwinlund77 · · Score: 1

    Both lesser known business incubators and cities have done just as much for communities at smaller scales in many parts of the nation.

  10. Just build a posh working resort somewhere nice. by GungaDan · · Score: 1

    Let your rank and file telecommute 80-90% and house them (and maybe even their families) at the resort the other 10-20% for a "working vacation" when face-to-face needs arise.

    Why would anyone want to work at a "close-to-home campus" set up like the damn Ritz and then commute an hour or two daily back to a 3-bed box in the burbs?

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  11. Re: I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On their own, by barely paying taxes....

  12. Re: Low environmental impact!?!?!? Or prepping to by Monster_user · · Score: 1

    Maybe their projections point towards downsizing and reduced revenues. So they are redeveloping the property with the intention of being able to sell it back to the community at a high value.

    They are pitching it as something modern, to appeal to their stockholders, or at least not spook them and undermine the company's future.

  13. CREIMER SOCKPUPPET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This user is CREIMER sockpuppet. See his normal account "cdreimer" had been modded down to terrible. Why?

    -Making a steady stream of shitposts with amazon referrer links. If he can just pique your interest enough to follow his amazon link, then he'll collect a small percentage of the money you spend for the next 24 hours. He netted a whopping $3 a day off this scam and was quite proud of it.

    -Constantly talking about child marriage. Underage Mexican girls are "about getting the most bang for your retirement dollar" and frequent use of the phrases "Underage sweet thing" and "Child brides are as American as apple pie". These are CDREIMER quotes he feels we've unfairly taken out of context so he's recently taken to his blog to explain that he means 16 year old Mexican girls marrying 50 year old american engineers, with village permission. He insists this is a popular romantic paring in the media there and it's every 16 year old mexican girl's dream to marry a fat old 50 year old aspie engineer!

    So please mod down Anonymous Cashews and complain about creimer to slashdot management feedback@slashdot.org
    I would suggest not replying to him like a normal person either.

    1. Re:CREIMER SOCKPUPPET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation Needed]

    2. Re:CREIMER SOCKPUPPET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These Pedobear Trolls are looking for attention and not getting any love from their favorite fuck toy. Ignore them.

  14. Re: Just build a posh working resort somewhere nic by Monster_user · · Score: 1

    I think it is incredibly smart for a long term thinking company who plans to relocate or downsize.

    The housing's proximity to Microsoft's headquarters will make it extremely valuable. There is also the historical aspect, even if Microsoft relocates. And if Microsoft relocates then it is an incredible PR boost. Who wouldn't want such an incredible business that raises property values, and cleans up before they leave? As opposed to leaving an abandoned building behind like a deserted ghost town.

  15. CREIMER SUPPORTS CHILD BRIDES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go away creimer
    Creimer why don't you tell us how it's ok for 50 year old men to marry 16 year old mexican girls "with village permission"

    1. Re:CREIMER SUPPORTS CHILD BRIDES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pedophilia strictly refers to children who have not reached puberty. A 16 year old girl would already be in the middle of puberty and her body is well within the process of preparing for sex and childbirth. If the girl in question is educated in the details and also uncoerced into it, I don't have a problem with her accepting her marriage to a 50 year old. I do recognize that there is often an issue of social coercion so it is critical to have knowledge of the village's culture when judging these kinds of scenarios.

    2. Re: CREIMER SUPPORTS CHILD BRIDES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you stopped raping your neighbor's goats yet?

  16. Waste of Resources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a huge waste of resources. Guess microsoft hasn't heard of carbon reduction.

  17. Re: I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)m 12 and whag is going on

  18. Fiscally smart way by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    We are not only creating a world-class work environment to help retain and attract the best and brightest global talent, but also building a campus that our neighbors can enjoy, and that we can build in a fiscally smart way with low environmental impact,

    In other words, it is paid by fiscal optimization? Obviously, a new campus for Microsoft was in the general interest, and all citizen had to help the effort.

  19. Re: I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)m 12 and whag is going on

    These Pedobear Trolls want to fuck you AND your family's goats!

  20. Hmmm by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

    Nice place you got there. Be a shame if something were to, ah..happen to it. They build a city, we build a 30 foot wall all the way around it. Problem?

  21. PLEASE raze and just shut company down by ealbers · · Score: 0

    Do everyone a favor, just shut down.

  22. Cricket pitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    glad to see they are providing a proper sport ground, i.e. the cricket pitch.

    1. Re: Cricket pitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had anyone else noticed that Indian-born managers refuse to hire anyone who is not ethnically Indian?

    2. Re: Cricket pitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, as someone recently hired by an indian born manager their I am pretty darn sure I am not ethnically or even slightly Indian in any way shape or form.

  23. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the environmental cost of producing concrete, tearing down buildings ahead of time is basically always a huge net loss in the "green budget".

  24. Housing by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

    Until actual housing is mixed in, and the first floor of the each of the buildings is rented out as a public facing rental space (IE retail, restaurants, etc), the campus is still a private campus that the public cannot access and has no interest in going into.

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    Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
  25. They already carry weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the big tech companies with large campuses already employ armed guards (though usually by proxy via a contractor security service)

    1. Re:They already carry weapons by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Okay and your purpose in pointing that out is what, exactly? Or are you just flapping your gums for no reason?

  26. Meanwhile Talent being driven away by racists by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0

    The number of foreign graduates students is down sharply as a result of the surge in u.s. racism.

    Maybe they are afraid- maybe they are disgusted.

    But they are going to other countries in increasing numbers.

    Tommorrow's best companies and best resources may stay away from the u.s. until it returns to more international friendly values.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    1. Re: Meanwhile Talent being driven away by racists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... You're upset that there's now less racial discrimination against Americans? Why should we tolerate being discriminated against in our own fucking country?

    2. Re:Meanwhile Talent being driven away by racists by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are afraid- maybe they are disgusted.

      But they are going to other countries in increasing numbers.

      Tommorrow's best companies and best resources may stay away from the u.s. until it returns to more international friendly values.

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    3. Re:Meanwhile Talent being driven away by racists by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Who do you want in the "Google" slot, Sergey Brin, or "Bob"? Bob's bright but he doesn't found google so google is founded in Canada or China instead.

      Besides, they are not blocking Bright americans from the slots anyway. They just flat out are not showing up as expected.

      And that means fewer jobs in the u.s. And more powerful competing countries (which is bad for the u.s.).

      You are talking about driving away some of the most brilliant 10,000 people in the world who would have come here and benefited the u.s. to other countries.

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  27. Re: I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And by "barely" you mean "paying what the law requires, just like you do"

    Don't be a fucking hypocrite

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. Re: I thought $1B for a football stadium was bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This user is a Pedobear Troll! Hide your chikdren and goats!

  30. More Team Rooms!!! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I've been to Microsoft's campus a couple of times, and it literally is like a college campus. There's huge buildings with a large amount of open green space. Back before Agile and DevOps, developers would have their own private offices. If I had to guess, this is their excuse to build more "team collaboration spaces". They could just knock down the existing buildings and consolidate everyone down into high rises since all they need is huge open spaces now.

    I don't know about everyone else, but I can't concentrate on a problem if I'm crammed in with 20 people in an open space. The big problem with this is that it's going to take the management consultants who control HR at every company 20 or more years of studies to conclude this is a bad idea and start recommending putting knowledge workers back in offices.

  31. Oh won't you please take me hoooome... yeah yeah by gosand · · Score: 1

    Take me down to the Microsoft city
    Where the UI's flat and security's shitty
    Oh won't you please take me home

    Take me down to the Microsoft city
    Where upgrades are forced and there's no privacy
    Oh won't you please take me home

    I wanna go, I wanna go
    Oh won't you please take me home

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  32. At the very least wind turbines are made in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There is a wind turbine/generator plant less than an hour drive from where I work (Southern US). Interestingly enough, in spite of all of the always breezy coastline nearby, I have yet to see anyone think about installing them.

    Buying Chinese solar panels would be greener if weren't for the shipping (lots of diesel fuel for the boats). I'll conveniently ignore poly-silicon handling.

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    As for the signature line, debugging triggers are a pain; stick to explicitly called stored procs and transactions.

  33. waste it on new campus,instead of software testers by taskforceken · · Score: 0

    Or they could use the $ to hire back the Windows quality control testers they fired.