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New Study Finds That Most Redditors Don't Actually Read the Articles They Vote On (vice.com)

Michael Byrne, writing for Motherboard: According to a paper published in IEEE Transactions on Computational Social Systems by researchers at Notre Dame University, some 73 percent of posts on Reddit are voted on by users that haven't actually clicked through to view the content being rated. This is according to a newly released dataset consisting of all Reddit activity of 309 site users for a one year period. In the process, the researchers identified signs of "cognitive fatigue" in Reddit users most likely to vote on content. Online aggregation is then somewhat a function of mental exhaustion.

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  1. In similar news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    99% of /.ers don't read the articles posted before commenting.

    1. Re:In similar news by datavirtue · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah...but we can pull it off. Your average Reddit scum is not qualified to comment without knowing the facts.

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    2. Re:In similar news by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 2

      The majority doesn't read the summary, hell not even the headline. They go straight into troll/off-topic mode.

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    3. Re:In similar news by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      About half past six

    4. Re:In similar news by UziBeatle · · Score: 1

      I wanted to just add a fact to the study above.
        I don't bother reading most of the posts
      I moderate here on slash . on when I have the points!!!

      Ironic , eh?

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    5. Re:In similar news by grub · · Score: 1


      99% of /.ers don't read the articles posted before commenting.

      You would be more accurate if you used a float rather than a decimal.

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    6. Re:In similar news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      We also only vote on comments, not stories, so there is no comparable voting dynamic.

    7. Re:In similar news by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      We also only vote on comments, not stories, so there is no comparable voting dynamic.

      What about the firehose?

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    8. Re:In similar news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      LOL

      Do you also believe in Santa Claus?

      I guess you're right, just like, Santa votes on your cookies and if you want good presents you better leave out some good cookies. Just check in the morning, the cookies will be gone, but for a few crumbs, and indeed the firehose will have drained onto the page one way or the other.

    9. Re:In similar news by FreedomFirstThenPeac · · Score: 1
      On the Internet, everyone can hear you scream ...

      ... but they don't care, because they are screaming too.

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  2. Isn't that what mod points are for? by foghelmut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, that's how it works here too, right?

    1. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Guyle · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I had mod points I'd mod this up because it told me that's what my mod points are for. I didn't even have to read your comment! I just knew it was the right thing to do!

    2. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. A lot of what people go in for isn't the article itself, but the comments. Same thing with newspapers(letters to the editor), or online comments and so on. It's one of the reasons why talk radio is popular, the topic might elicit opinions but people would much rather discuss their opinions on something most of the time. The worst cases of this though, are when you get the ideological echo chambers. I'm not talking about format, or what have you. Rather, where people don't care about the context or even the facts of what's being said, rather they want self-reinforcement of an opinion even if it's wrong.

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    3. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Rather, where people don't care about the context or even the facts of what's being said, rather they want self-reinforcement of an opinion even if it's wrong.

      Even worse than that is when those people get mod points, and use them to create the echo chamber.

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    4. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Even worse than that is when those people get mod points, and use them to create the echo chamber.

      Have you meta-moderated lately? Or it could be you've managed to piss people off to the point that they simply don't care what you're saying, or your opinion is just complete shit. All and none can be true.

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    5. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I mean, that's how it works here too, right?

      You must be new around here if you need to ask. ;)

    6. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      i meta-moderated your mom last night.

      In soviet russia, your mom meta-moderates you straight back to the basement.

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    7. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The statistic for Slashdot was something like 90-95% of users never clicked on comments. Only a tiny portion of the users read comments, and a smaller number of those post. Unsurprisingly, users that use the comment section think that everyone comes for the comments.

      Heck, there's a couple of websites I use and never read the comments. Why? There's nothing there I want. The stories are the meat and potatoes. 95% of Reddit threads are a dumpster fire. You know what you're going to get before you click.

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    8. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ask yourself why you self-identify as as male feminist instead of an egalitarian. And no, don't say you identify identify both because one is more important important you than the other, and you identified as one before the other.

      You should also be wondering why self-identified egalitarian mostly don't identify with you.

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    9. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Your question is based on the assumption that feminism and egalitarianism are somehow incompatible or at odds. I see them as complementary.

      Feminism started out as the study of why women were not equal. It grew into the study of how systems negatively affect both men and women.

      That's why I'm interested in it. The way to get to an egalitarian state is by understanding the problem and finding solutions. That's what feminism is. I look at how women were liberated in the 60s, freed from the 1950s housewife mould and want the same thing for men today. It would be crazy to ignore decades of study and thought, and crazy not to accept the help that is on offer.

      Many of the problems are basically the same anyway: things have to be pink/tactical matte black, magazine models are photoshopped to unrealistic ideals, some social norms are actually harmful.

      So to me, to be an effective egalitarian who works towards an egalitarian society, you should also be a feminist.

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    10. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Thanks moderator, for proving my point. The mere existence of a male feminist is a troll to you, and you felt it necessary to purge such ideas from your echo chamber.

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    11. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >Feminism started out as the study of why women were not equal. It grew into the study of how systems negatively affect both men and women.

      And in most of the cases that come to the public's attention, it's altered into a political ideology of 'men are evil, time to put them down'... which is why mentioning 'feminism' in a post is a pretty good way to ensure a polarized shouting match instead of a debate.

      It's also the reason why you're going to get a negative reaction if you identify yourself as a 'male feminist'. The common conceptions of modern feminism and egalitarianism ARE incompatible and at odds. One is about women attempting to relegate men to a socially inferior status by stereotyping them all as violent misogynists, the other is about treating everyone using the same standards.

      And honestly, if you believe they ARE the same... there's no need to use the word 'feminist', is there?

    12. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Thanks moderator, for proving my point. The mere existence of a male feminist is a troll to you, and you felt it necessary to purge such ideas from your echo chamber.

      Well, you did complain about how people are put in boxes and then you placed everyone down-modding you are post back at you in a box. ;)

      That said, I get the frustration. A lot of my posts get modded down pretty quickly. I don't even know why we can chose overrated on a post that has not been rated.

    13. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      With Natalie Portman's grits in your pants.

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    14. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Watch "The Red Pill" documentary to see Feminists say it in their own quotes.

    15. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      And straight in with the down-mod. This is the cancer that is killing Slashdot.

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    16. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My point was that it's not just about women, it's about everyone. My own interest is very much about how it can help men, in fact.

      Your second sentence suggests you didn't notice that before you replied.

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    17. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wow... Animojo is a male feminist? Holy crap. Well, that explains a lot.

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    18. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      As other people have already said, this issue is a landmine of people having different ideas of what words mean. It makes me afraid to call myself anything, without my interlocutors first saying what they mean by the words, or simply "tabooing" the words and saying in long form what my position is.

      I think in the end the morass of confusion comes down yet again to people not understanding basic set relations. I wish I could just shove a simple Euler diagram up every time the topic comes up to explain to people the relations between them. (Not you, who seem to already understand them; you just prompted me to think of this again).

      Hell, I have a bit of web space, so here's a simple graphic to shove in people's faces for the future.

      Egalitarianism promotes equality. Feminism most literally promotes the feminine. Feminism just to the point of equality, defending women's rights, is therefore also egalitarian. But not if it goes beyond that, which is not unheard-of; individual acts of misandry promoting women over men are still feminist, both by self-appelation of many of the people doing them, and just plain literal application of the word, even if feminism as a whole isn't like that. Promotion of the masculine would be masculism, not that anybody uses that term. Masculism just to the point of equality, defending men's rights, is therefore also egalitarian. But not, of course, if it goes beyond that, into misogyny.

      Simple set theory here, people.

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    19. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      So the blue set means Misogyny as well as Masculinism ? And yet overlaps with Feminism ?

      Misandry is not mutually exclusive with MRA ? You mean to point out the cases where a person is an "activist" for some rights for men but hates men in other senses ? If it is such a nuanced worldview, with strong positions in either field, applying either MRA or misandry labels appears inconsistent.

      Is this diagram about actual concepts, or about how people confuse each other with inconsistent usages of words and you want to contribute to the confusion ?

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    20. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Feminism is not about female dominance or misandry. It's about equality, starting with addressing gender inequality.

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    21. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It does't, it just confuses you.

      Go on, tell me what it explains. Tell me what I think. I'll tell you that you are wrong, and you will ignore it and carry on with your faulty assumption.

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    22. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      The blue set is masculism. Which can overlap with feminism. And both can overlap with egalitarianism.

      Where each overlaps with egalitarianism, you have gendered rights movements. In the intersections. And those intersections intersect. You can (and should) champion rights for both.

      Outside those intersections, all that's left is misogyny or misandry. The part of feminism that isn't egalitarianism is misandrous, like the part of masculism that isn't egalitarian is misogynous.

      Man, people have a worse understanding of simple set theory than I even thought.

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    23. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Misogyny and masculism is written in the same section.

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    24. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      I understand that that is what a large body of self-identified feminists stand for, and I don't dispute that the label "feminist" is perfectly applicable to them.

      But there are also people who self-identify as feminists and speak and act misandrously. The above group of feminists, on a good day when they don't deny their existence at all, denounce them as "not real feminists", and it's good for them to denounce them and distance themselves from them, but they don't own the word "feminism". Those misandrists are claiming the label for themselves, too. So if we're to try to neutrally adjudicate which group, the egalitarian feminists or the misandrous feminists, has the objectively best claim to the label, we have to look at something other than just who uses it and whether they acknowledge others' use of it. Something like, say, the plain meaning of the word, as composed from its roots and affixes. By which standard, "feminism" means promotion of the feminine. Promoting the feminine up to the point of equality with the masculine can also be egalitarian. But promoting the feminine above the masculine is still promoting the feminine, and so still feminism. A bad, inegalitarian kind of feminism.

      It sounded like you already understood that. I'm disappointed.

      (The word "feminism" also makes a poor, needlessly exclusive name for a movement for gender equality generally, encompassing men's issues as well as women's. I know a lot of self-identified feminists are also concerned with men's issues, but how is such concern for men's issues literally "feminist"? It has nothing to do with anything feminine. It's gender egalitarian, but we have a term for that already -- that one, "gender egalitarian" -- and don't need to insist that all egalitarian concern for all genders must be subsumed within a label that's literally about just one of them. Feminists generally seem sensitive to issues of naming and language like this, so I'd expect more would understand this concern).

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    25. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      "Misogyny" is written in the middle of the part of the blue set that doesn't intersect anything else, denoting just that part.

      "Masculism" is written on the border of the blue set, denoting the whole thing, including the parts that intersect other sets.

      How would you label it more clearly?

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    26. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      You yourself have done it in the same diagram - the label text is also supposed to overlap if the sections are overlapping. E.g. the text "Men's Rights Movements" overlaps multiple sections. NOW I am not sure if that is what you intended, but it makes some sense.

      Anything slightly more complex (which your diagram probably is), and an outside legend describing the sections works well - 2 common ways :

      1. Using arrows to describe the innermost sections
      2. All innermost sections are of unique colors and a tabular legend shows which color describes which innermost section. This is a middle finger to color blind people, but dot/line/square patterns are way more confusing for others.

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    27. Re:Isn't that what mod points are for? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is a lot like the debate over if people calling themselves Christians or Muslims are real Christians or Muslims. Prone to falling into the No True Scotsman trap. But in all these cases we can make an objective determination. There is a well established body of mainstream feminist work, just like there are well established mainstream Christian and Islamic movements, and we can compare their beliefs and behaviour to those standards.

      The people you describe are usually described as either radical feminists (or some more specific variation like TERF) or as anti-feminists.

      It's not about ownership of the name, it's about what the word actually means and the large, well established and identifiable movement it refers to.

      In any case, it's extremely problematic to hear someone describe themselves as a feminist and immediately mod them down as a troll. That's flat out censorship. I really think this point is indefensible.

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  3. Of course by Galaga88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm going to fully support the results of this study, although I have yet to actually click on it.

    1. Re:Of course by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I'm not going even look at the results or RTFA. I'll just jump in and comment!

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  4. Write your Redditor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now is the time to write your Redditor and let them know exactly what you think. When your letter is received, you can rest assured that it will be voted upon, regardless of whether it was read.

  5. Just show me all the comments. Fuck the voting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When I use a discussion site like Reddit, or Hacker News, or Slashdot, or Stack Overflow, I want to see all comments by default.

    I don't care about what score they've been given by a bunch of arbitrary moderators or other users.

    I want to make up my own mind by seeing the comments for myself. I'll judge them on my own.

    Sites like those, and this one, would be a lot better without the pointless moderating/voting systems they have.

    Those systems just encourage foolish people to babble the accepted group-think in order to collect pointless "karma" points. That's not real discussion. That's just a pathetic form of online communal brown-nosing.

    What's worse is when those flawed moderation/voting systems hide the best content, which often features original thoughts and ideas that the mindless masses find too controversial or painful to think about.

    To hell with the voting and moderation we see on online discussion sites. They just hurt the discussion more than they help it.

    1. Re:Just show me all the comments. Fuck the voting. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Most people don't have time for that.

    2. Re:Just show me all the comments. Fuck the voting. by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe the opinions you agree with are just shit and badly expressed? Its funny how many people who like to think they are 'non-mainstream' also think that everyone mainstream is just a stupid sheep. I actually usually find the opinions of people who use phrases like 'group-think', 'mindless masses', 'sheep' and (worst of all) 'sheeple' to be boring and lacking critical thought. Perhaps they are too dumb to understand all the nuances the rest of us see (which I think is also the issue with many who dabble in conspiracy theories).

    3. Re:Just show me all the comments. Fuck the voting. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "You're probably one of those thugs that used to bully kids in school and make their lives miserable."

      At 90 pounds in high school, yea fucking right.

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  6. Good article by war4peace · · Score: 1

    I upvoted this article.

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    1. Re:Good article by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I upvoted your comment.

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  7. UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Upvoted Not Because Girl, But Because It Is Very Cool; However, I Do Concede That I Initially Clicked Because Girl.

  8. I don't believe it by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not reading TFA?
    Call me shocked.
    The author must be a newbie.

    1. Re:I don't believe it by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real irony is of course that it was posted on Slashdot 20-years after this was discovered.

  9. Bots by leathered · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reddit upvotes are heavily botted, and I imagine the publishers of these articles are the prime suspects. Clicks mean cash.

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    1. Re:Bots by Urist+McSlashdot · · Score: 2

      "Study participants were recruited through posts to various subreddits. Participants were required to be a registered Reddit user. Their account must have been created at least a week before installing the browser extension in order to remove the potential for malicious users."

      So unless those were some really sophisticated bots that could understand the calls for participation and decide to participate and then follow the instructions to sign up, I'm pretty sure all of the study participants were human. Bot behavior isn't included in this study.

  10. Confirmed by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just vote up headlines that confirm my worldview and downvote the ones that don't.

  11. Re:Did these users consent to being tracked? by thaylin · · Score: 4, Informative

    They knew they were being studied (it was done by a voluntary browser plugin) but didnt know what specific habits they were studying.

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  12. Whether or not this is a problem by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To determine whether or not this is a problem, we have to determine what percentage of articles are actually worth reading over the headlines. If the articles are typically just fleshing out the headline, without anything meaningful added, this is efficient, rational behavior.

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    1. Re:Whether or not this is a problem by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If the articles are typically just fleshing out the headline

      With medical/science articles, it's usually worse to read the article. Even the headline is exaggeration. If you don't go looking for the original source, you have to work backward to guess what the real scientific discovery actually is.

    2. Re:Whether or not this is a problem by Kjella · · Score: 1

      To determine whether or not this is a problem, we have to determine what percentage of articles are actually worth reading over the headlines. If the articles are typically just fleshing out the headline, without anything meaningful added, this is efficient, rational behavior.

      While it's highly debatable whether the articles are worth reading too, please tell me what current news media you feel uses headlines that are meaningful and accurate. In my experience they are either bait missing some essential element to entice you to click through, sensationalist claims only barely implied by the facts or inflammatory quotes that come from someone with an ax to grind. At best they provide a position on some issue, in which case it becomes an opinion poll where you vote for or against. Whether this article contributes anything meaningful or relevant to the discussion isn't relevant as long as your drivel is rated higher than the opposition's drivel.

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    3. Re:Whether or not this is a problem by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      For reference, I scanned the front page of reddit. A few of the post weren't news related, just "here's something cool," which was often an image (curious as to how that was evaluated). But I saw a post titled "Trump isn’t welcome in UK after sharing far-right videos, London mayor says." I then read the article, and while I learned a few additional details, it was pretty much just that. The mayor of London was bothered by Trump's tweets of far-right, anti-islamic videos, and he's called for Theresa May to withdraw the offer for a visit.

      I would consider that an example where there was little reason for the average user to bother reading the whole article. I definitely agree with you that many news articles fit the pattern you describe. The question is the ratio between the articles you describe and the ones I describe, which would determine how worthwhile reading an article is. I make no claim to have the answer, but I am presenting an explanation why not reading the article might make some degree of sense.

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  13. Good to know by tsstahl · · Score: 1

    ...that slashdot is not alone in that phenomena.

  14. Orville S1E7 - Majority Rule by brendan.robert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This episode of The Orville reminds me of this -- it seems that people just make split decisions because they can't be bothered with hearing and weighing the evidence presented to them. Probably because people aren't being asked to think into the areas of possible ambiguity, we just raise them to pick from a selection of choices. The millennial generation might as well be called the multiple choice generation. So glad I'm from the "Choose your own adventure" generation. ;)

    1. Re:Orville S1E7 - Majority Rule by leonbev · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's the first time I've seen an Orville analogy on Slashdot. Cool.

    2. Re:Orville S1E7 - Majority Rule by fazig · · Score: 1

      Good that you've mentioned millennials here. It's one of those upvote generating buzzwords for people who can't be bothered with making more than just split decisions.

    3. Re:Orville S1E7 - Majority Rule by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      I don't think its a new phenomenon, its just amplified by internet. Why bother with the nuances and ambiguities of the world when you can just pick an extreme and batter people over the head with it. Facebook will even help filter your life to fit your echo chamber.

    4. Re:Orville S1E7 - Majority Rule by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Is it possible that there are just too many things to think about these days? As an example, there are a hundred brands of toothpaste. That's a parity product, but maybe I should think about the level of corporate responsibility of the manufacturer when deciding? Or just price? Well except my kid doesn't like all of the flavors and I want him to use it. I don't think that everybody should think about everything. We should be experts in certain areas. Unfortunately, we seem to live in an age where "experts" aren't trusted because of some combination of legitimate selling-out and some manifestations of cognitive dissonance. And I don't see any good solutions.

  15. Technicality by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    Posters don't click on the article because they are *NOT* commenting on the article, but rather commenting on other poster's comments. So what.

  16. Re:Breaking News: Most /. users dont either. by campuscodi · · Score: 1

    I concur

  17. Now tell me the news... by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    I did my third post on reddit sometimes the last month, warning about a bad scheme on Amazon Prime trials, and all I got was banter about not reading the fuking manual and whatnot... I think (most) redditors are septemberists of the internet who have absolutely no idea on argumentation and will instantly vote no on anything that even attempts to bash anything they appreciate (in this case, Amazon Prime). Bu oh well maybe I'm a septemberist myself on reddit so I digress.

    One thing I'm sure off - not going to reddit whenever I feel like trying to get relevant info out on anything. I'll just make a facebook share and I'm sure none of my friends will unlike it #egorub

    1. Re:Now tell me the news... by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm often surprised at how severe the moderation is in some subs. Very rules and power oriented.

  18. Re: Did these users consent to being tracked? by thaylin · · Score: 1

    I am pertty sure reddit bans would not have affected the study, they could have used the data gathered before the bans,

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  19. Not just Reddit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a widespread phenomenon, not just limited to one site. People don't have time to read articles (or even summaries), which is why headlines generally start and drive discussions. Our brains just can't handle that much information, but we have that silly emotional need to get our opinions out there regardless.

  20. Not surprised by LiENUS · · Score: 1

    Many don't even read the title of the post, they just sort of get a feel for what the article is about and then kneejerk from there. I'm looking at a front page post on reddit right now where the top rated comment is just that, he even uses a quote from the article but he clearly didn't comprehend the article at all.

  21. Presumption. Also spelled "pitfall." Or "Pitfail." by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    If you signed in you would have the ability to set your defaults.

    You know you can post anonymously when you're signed in, right?

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  22. Same as Presidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    TL;DR
    Besides, I know EVERYTHING.

  23. Reddit vs 4chan by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone observed after the "He will not divide us" episode where 4chaners found the flag in a rather clever cunning way - "4chan is smart people pretending to be dumb. Reddit is dumb people pretending to be smart".

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4060...

    So how did 4chan find and steal the He Will Not Divide Us flag?

    It turns out, Shia made one mistake in setting up the camera on the soon-to-be-stolen flag. It was such a simple thing that normal people would never have noticed, but the 4chan trolls sprung into action when they realized the camera was aimed in part at the sky.

    According to various users on 4chan, members of the board used jet contrails, flight paths, and astronomy to determine the general location of the He Will Not Divide Us flag installation. After narrowing down the location to somewhere in Tennesee, 4chan sleuths drove around the area honking their horns to see if the sound would show up on the live stream.

    And as it turns out, they were successful almost immediately, as 4chan found the flag site less than a couple days after it went live. The trolls replaced the stolen flag with the hat and T-shirt mentioned earlier.

    Besides the obvious issues with theft and harassment, 4chan's actions in this incident are merely a part of what has become known to many who study the impact of social media in society as the "Great Meme War."

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    1. Re:Reddit vs 4chan by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      This is awesome

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      And Shia cracked up completely a few weeks after

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      On March 8, 2017, the stream resumed from an "unknown location," with the artists announcing that a flag emblazoned with the words "He Will Not Divide Us" would be flown for the duration of the presidency. The camera was pointed up at the flag, set against a backdrop of nothing but sky. Reporting on the move, Nylon reflected that "in tumultuous times like these, it's encouraging to see that art finds a way to exist and artists find a way to create, even when their work and message are under attack." Within 38 hours of resuming transmission, the flag was located by a collaboration of 4chan users, who used airplane contrails, celestial navigation, and other techniques to determine that it was located in Greeneville, Tennessee. In the early hours of March 10, 2017, an unknown person took down and stole the flag, replacing it with a red 'Make America Great Again' hat and a Pepe the Frog shirt. These were later removed, and the stream continued broadcasting an empty flag pole. Following escalating threats coordinated via 4chan and 8chan, and after a field at the location was set on fire, the artists were again forced to relocate the project.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      On June 26, 2014, LaBeouf was charged with disorderly conduct and criminal trespass at New York's Studio 54 theater. He was reported to have been "acting disorderly, yelling and being loud". He refused to leave the theater, so the police were called. In the arrest report it was stated that LaBeouf spat at arresting officers. The report also details LaBeouf using an impolite slur and swearing at arresting officers. He was arrested and held at the Midtown North police station to later appear in court. Following the incident, LaBeouf voluntarily began seeking outpatient treatment for alcoholism, becoming involved in a 12-step program.

      On July 8, 2017, around 4 a.m. LaBeouf was arrested in Savannah, Georgia, for public drunkenness, disorderly conduct and obstruction. Bodycam footage was released of LaBeouf's profane tirade against the arresting officers following his arrest. In October 2017 LaBeouf was found not guilty on one charge of public intoxication and pleaded no contest to disorderly conduct, for which he was fined $1,000, and will spend 12 months on probation minus time served. He was also required to attend anger management counseling.

      Result : Decisive victory for Kekistani forces.

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  24. President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Same with voting for president?

  25. Could be worse by Solandri · · Score: 1

    They could have "editors" who don't bother to read and correct submissions before publishing them.

    I thought the way /. was supposed to work was that readers vote on submissions (via the firehose), and the most highly voted submissions get promoted to the front page. I'm not sure what the editors are for if they're not reading and correcting submissions. At least Reddit voters have the excuse that they read TFA elsewhere so are voting on it despite not having clicked the link on Reddit.

  26. Re:Did these users consent to being tracked? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    thus altering the outcome and findings of the study?

    You're right, if they didn't know they were being tracked, that number would probably be 95%

    More important is cause and effect. I read comments first because if there are any red flags, it'll show up top in the comments.

    At the risk of being too meta: the clickbait headline here reads like "Redditors are lazy and that's bad."

    The study itself is paywalled, the article at Vice most people who DO click on the links are likely to read misses a big point made in the abstract.

    From the IEEE study abstract

    The sheer volume of new information being produced and consumed only increases the reliance that individuals place on the ability of anonymous others to curate and sort massive amounts of information. Because of the economic and intrinsic value involved, it is important to understand how individuals consume anonymously curated information and contribute to the wisdom of the crowd.

    Hi, I'm your curator for this clickbait article: Vice's take-away and headline is stupid. Don't bother reading it. Redditors, slashdotters are simply using a much bigger online base of peers to tell them whether the article is worth reading or not.

    The same thing happens in all types of reading. In science, if one of my colleagues tells me a big-sounding paper is trash, I probably won't bother reading it because I have too many other papers to read. It's arguably less logical to trust that one colleague than it is to trust several thousand people online whether it's worth reading or is trash.

  27. Common on facebook too by magzteel · · Score: 1
    It's pretty common on Facebook for people to post or "like" articles they haven't read.

    I gave up on pointing out the article doesn't say what they think it does. They really don't care.

  28. The vikings start chanting in the background. by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    Click-bait headlines, obvious spam, incomprehensible headlines, headlines that violate sub formatting rules, headlines that are already on the front page, headlines with spoilers...

    Those are the majority of my post downvotes on reddit.

  29. What about copy-pasted links? by jamescford · · Score: 1

    I often don't click through a link, but instead prefer to copy it, paste it, and if needed modify it. It seems anyone doing some basic "link hygiene" like this might not get counted?

  30. discourse malfunction by epine · · Score: 1

    The statistic for Slashdot was something like 90-95% of users never clicked on comments.

    That's hard to imagine. There are days where it seems like every second story summary is a ghastly abuse of synopsis and common sense.

    News for Nerds shouldn't be lightly refried click-bait, but it often is (often larded with fresh wrigglers, free of charge).

    Anyways, I have no opinions about the non-commenters. They might as well not exist, as viewed from this side of the fence. I mainly read the comments to see who can process context and who can't. If I have something to say on the subject, I often take that road. Otherwise, I tend to hack on the people who can't/won't process context, who just sit there and contribute the same old speedily-rehydrated boiler-plate dial tone.

    Many times after I sing Wake Up Little Susie I add the exchange to my butterfly collection of discourse malfunction (similar to wardrobe malfunction, but 100 times more pervasive).

    Nothing in the modern age is more universally on topic than discourse malfunction.

  31. I must be a anomaly by bbourqu · · Score: 1

    I always read the article before upvoting or (rarely) downvoting. I never comment or vote on comments if I haven't read the article. I will read just the comment section from time to time and then read the article. Just from doing that it's possible to tell the vast majority of comments are people stating their own opinion of the article based on the title or simply reacting to comments. It's really sad.

  32. I Agree by n329619 · · Score: 1

    I Agree with Technicality!

    I didn't read your comment or the article, but it's about cool tech as stuff anyway, right?